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P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.

Posted By: American Woman on 2005-08-14
In Reply to: And we invaded and occupied Iraq....WHY??????? - American Woman

Reprinted in Boston Globe.  Sorry!




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    Please see original post, link for video included..nm
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    How about the Washington Post?

    How about this isn't a new story at all?  How about the government lied to these poor parents, who lost their SON?!  How about the COMMANDER IN CHIEF dishonored and disrespected Pat Tillman and his family?  How about being so blind while unquestioningly idolizing a very false idol, a flawed, lying, devious, unethical, warmonging leader that you, as well, dishonor this woman and her son by still trying to use him as a Bush poster boy?  


    I have a feeling that when Fitzgerald is finished with his investigation (the crux of which is the nonexistent Iraq nuclear threat/lie that Bush used to sell this country on an illegal, immoral war) and the facts are disclosed, Bush and his cronies and his followers will be headed down the toilet.  Maybe the Tidy Bowl Man will throw you a life preserver, not that you'd take it.  People like you would be honored to drown in the same S***T as Bush. 


    Pat Tillman and his parents deserve to be honored.  How many of YOUR children were killed in Iraq or Afghanistan by this lying president?  Until you've lost one, you're simply not qualified to demean and disrespect those who did.  You think you're some sort of proud American who claims to support the troops?  You're a fraud.  You're nothing but a heartless war monger and deserve no respect whatsoever. 


    Here. Have some more Kool Aid.


    FROM THE WASHINGTON POST EARLIER THIS YEAR:


    Tillman's Parents Are Critical Of Army
    Family Questions Reversal On Cause of Ranger's Death


    By Josh White
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, May 23, 2005; A01


    Former NFL player Pat Tillman's family is lashing out against the Army, saying that the military's investigations into Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan last year were a sham and that Army efforts to cover up the truth have made it harder for them to deal with their loss.


    More than a year after their son was shot several times by his fellow Army Rangers on a craggy hillside near the Pakistani border, Tillman's mother and father said in interviews that they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country. They say the Army's lies about what happened have made them suspicious, and that they are certain they will never get the full story.


    Pat had high ideals about the country; that's why he did what he did, Mary Tillman said in her first lengthy interview since her son's death. The military let him down. The administration let him down. It was a sign of disrespect. The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting.


    Tillman, a popular player for the Arizona Cardinals, gave up stardom in the National Football League after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to join the Army Rangers with his brother. After a tour in Iraq, their unit was sent to Afghanistan in spring 2004, where they were to hunt for the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. Shortly after arriving in the mountains to fight, Tillman was killed in a barrage of gunfire from his own men, mistaken for the enemy as he got into position to defend them.


    Immediately, the Army kept the soldiers on the ground quiet and told Tillman's family and the public that he was killed by enemy fire while storming a hill, barking orders to his fellow Rangers. After a public memorial service, at which Tillman received the Silver Star, the Army told Tillman's family what had really happened, that he had been killed by his own men.


    In separate interviews in their home town of San Jose and by telephone, Tillman's parents, who are divorced, spoke about their ordeal with the Army with simmering frustration and anger. A series of military investigations have offered differing accounts of Tillman's death. The most recent report revealed more deeply the confusion and disarray surrounding the mission he was on, and more clearly showed that the family had been kept in the dark about details of his death.


    The latest investigation, written about by The Washington Post earlier this month, showed that soldiers in Afghanistan knew almost immediately that they had killed Tillman by mistake in what they believed was a firefight with enemies on a tight canyon road. The investigation also revealed that soldiers later burned Tillman's uniform and body armor.


    That information was slow to make it back to the United States, the report said, and Army officials here were unaware that his death on April 22, 2004, was fratricide when they notified the family that Tillman had been shot.


    Over the next 10 days, however, top-ranking Army officials -- including the theater commander, Army Gen. John P. Abizaid -- were told of the reports that Tillman had been killed by his own men, the investigation said. But the Army waited until a formal investigation was finished before telling the family -- which was weeks after a nationally televised memorial service that honored Tillman on May 3, 2004.


    Patrick Tillman Sr., a San Jose lawyer, said he is furious about what he found in the volumes of witness statements and investigative documents the Army has given to the family. He decried what he calls a botched homicide investigation and blames high-ranking Army officers for presenting outright lies to the family and to the public.


    After it happened, all the people in positions of authority went out of their way to script this, Patrick Tillman said. They purposely interfered with the investigation, they covered it up. I think they thought they could control it, and they realized that their recruiting efforts were going to go to hell in a handbasket if the truth about his death got out. They blew up their poster boy.


    Army spokesmen maintain that the Army has done everything it can to keep the family informed about the investigation, offering to answer relatives' questions and going back to them as investigators gathered more information.


    Army officials said Friday that the Army reaffirms its heartfelt sorrow to the Tillman family and all families who have lost loved ones during this war. Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, an Army spokesman, said the Army acts with compassion and heartfelt commitment when informing grieving families, often a painful duty.


    In the case of the death of Corporal Patrick Tillman, the Army made mistakes in reporting the circumstances of his death to the family, Brooks said. For these, we apologize. We cannot undo those early mistakes.


    Brooks said the Army has actively and directly informed the Tillman family regarding investigations into his death and has dedicated a team of soldiers and civilians to answering the family's questions through phone calls and personal meetings while ensuring the family was as well informed as they could be.


    Mary Tillman keeps her son's wedding album in the living room of the house where he grew up, and his Arizona State University football jersey, still dirty from the 1997 Rose Bowl game, hangs in a nearby closet. With each new version of events, her mind swirls with new theories about what really happened and why. She questions how an elite Army unit could gun down its most recognizable member at such close range. She dwells on distances and boulders and piles of documents and the words of frenzied men.


    It makes you feel like you're losing your mind in a way, she said. You imagine things. When you don't know the truth, certain details can be blown out of proportion. The truth may be painful, but it's the truth. You start to contrive all these scenarios that could have taken place because they just kept lying. If you feel you're being lied to, you can never put it to rest.


    Patrick Tillman Sr. believes he will never get the truth, and he says he is resigned to that now. But he wants everyone in the chain of command, from Tillman's direct supervisors to the one-star general who conducted the latest investigation, to face discipline for dishonorable acts. He also said the soldiers who killed his son have not been adequately punished.


    Maybe lying's not a big deal anymore, he said. Pat's dead, and this isn't going to bring him back. But these guys should have been held up to scrutiny, right up the chain of command, and no one has.


    That their son was famous opened up the situation to problems, the Tillmans say, in part because of the devastating public relations loss his death represented for the military. Mary Tillman says the government used her son for weeks after his death, perpetuating an untrue story to capitalize on his altruism -- just as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was erupting publicly. She said she was particularly offended when President Bush offered a taped memorial message to Tillman at a Cardinals football game shortly before the presidential election last fall. She again felt as though her son was being used, something he never would have wanted.


    Every day is sort of emotional, Mary Tillman said. It just keeps slapping me in the face. To find that he was killed in this debacle -- everything that could have gone wrong did -- it's so much harder to take. We should not have been subjected to all of this. This lie was to cover their image. I think there's a lot more yet that we don't even know, or they wouldn't still be covering their tails.


    If this is what happens when someone high profile dies, I can only imagine what happens with everyone else.


    © 2005 The Washington Post Company


    An interesting read from the Washington Post. sm

    Draw your own conclusions on the state of the MT industry. Should we be worried? I would be as the gov't NEVER moves fast on anything unless it benefits them somehow. I had never heard of the HIMSS until I read the article.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/15/AR2009051503667.html?wpisrc=newsletter


    I heard Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post
    yesterday say, in response to the question, who made Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton the spokespersons for the black community? and he said We did. meaning the media in all its various forms. He said every time something happens that could be perceived as racist everyone (black, white, red, brown and yellow) who are out for the scoop call those two guys 3 or 4 times a day to find out what they think and what they are going to do. Interesting sideline.
    Didn't the Washington Post back Obama?

    My math isn't wrong. Gov. Blago+Mrs. Blago (real estate agent, or did you forget?)+Rezko=Obama. Can I make it any clearer?


     


    Washington Post: Commission admits they thought they were being deceived.sm

    After C Span aired the 911 Scholars Symposium in LA for 3 days, the questions and information has started to flow.  Looks like some are starting to do some CYA.  There are articles in the NYT, Vanity Fair, and even the Washington Post.  For a change, they are not calling skeptics names.  It is only a baby step, but this has made my day. 


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new


    I have been reading this post with
    interest; amazing how we can agree on a lot of points. The comment from gp about old time democrats is often heard here, the trouble is that the parties have more or less changed places. The image of a guntoting bible thumping redneck used to be a bubba in his pickup who was a democrat, now it is a republican. From what I have been listening to the last year or so on late night and daytime radio, you are right, we are all screwed. supposedly, there are 350,000 UN troups already in place here. I believe they will be used to gather up all the guns. After that, we are sitting ducks like Australia, whose crime rate escalated over 300% the first year alone. We already have states who have made it against the law to defend yourself or children in your own home. Amazing. We have not been involved enough the last 20-30 years with our children's education, happily leaving it to others who mostly happen to be liberals. I understand a religious person can never hope to attain a spot somewhere like the Smithsonian; they are all agnostics now. Just saying what I have heard; can't verify. I am very afraid the wagons have already been circled and we just did not know we were in the center. Starting to suspect stronger each day that the whole election is a set up that goes back decades; they were just waiting for the star of the show to come along (Obama), not even that sure about McCain anymore. Furious over the bailout. Think how Clinton pardoned Ayers, how much he and O reportedly can't stand each other, yet he and H are out campaigning for him for the Party, of course. Death penalty: I suspect a lot more of us would be happy with Life meaning life imprisonment as opposed to death sentence, if it were really a life sentence and not a few years instead. Well, this election is almost over; my hopes are not very high given all the current events. Like an old friend used to say, "I just don't know what's to become of us all". Keep up the interesting posts, ladies.
    Reading your post
    You sound just as bad as the ones you call ignorant and nasty, just on the other end. I am intelligent, definitely not backwoods, and definitely not hateful or nasty, but Jesus Christ is still my Lord and Savior. Choosing to follow Christ is a spiritual, INTELLECTUAL, and emotional experience. All three have to be involved.

    I stayed out of this "gay" argument because it's useless. But I feel I need to say something about a few things you pointed out.

    First - Sodom and Gomorrah - It is very clear in Genesis 18 and 19 that the main sin of S&G was homosexuality. When the angels visited S&G, a group of men accosted them at Lot's house and wanted them to come out so they could "know" them. Now you may say "well that just means they wanted to know who they were" but in the next verse Lot offers his daughters to the men so they might leave the visitors alone. Clearly if they all lived in the same town they already knew who Lot's daughters were, and had no reason to meet them, if that is what "know" meant (King James Version).

    You are absolutely right. You can take a verse out of the Bible and twist it anyway you want. Which is why it needs to be read in context.

    Second, marriage was created as a representation of the relationship of God with the church (church being a group of people, not a building). The first marriage was Adam and Eve, by God Himself.

    And last but not least, this hatred and spewing issue.

    God does not, has not, and never will give us the right to be nasty to others. Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to love our "enemies". If anyone on here is professing to be a Christian and in the same breath being hateful or ugly, they need to check themselves NOW.

    However, just stating an oppositional opinion is not hate or bigotry. But it should be done politely and without name-calling. There is a way to debate topics without being hateful!

    I think the reason homosexuality and abortion gets attacked so much from "crazy delusional bible-thumpers" as some put it, is because it is so out in the open, and so socially accepted. What to do about that, I don't know.

    It is unfair to ask us as Christians to take our faith off when we are outside our homes or churches though. It is not a cloak we can remove whenever we want. It is inside us, it is our life, and we have just as much right to live it and follow the commandments of our God then any other person in this country.

    As for people saying that they have it shoved down their throats, I highly doubt it. If someone comes to the door and you don't want to hear it, just politely say "no thanks!". Or better yet, leave a note on your door that you don't want to hear it if you want!

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you try to witness to someone or talk to them about Jesus and they don't want to hear it, SHUT UP. It doesn't do any good to push.

    I don't agree with the ugly words and name-calling, but I have to say you did quite a bit of it in this post yourself, which I took offense to. Two wrongs don't make a right!

    That being said, I understand you were upset and venting, so it's cool, but I would appreciate it if you could drop a few of the "delusionals," "twisted" and "backwoods" comments :)



    I agree with poster below. Don't even waste your time reading the post. - Sarcastic and utter no
    Oh brother - get real.
    I was going to post that article too
    That was a very good article. Is this the scenario you are talking about?

    One scenario will suffice: On some Monday not so far in the future, “President” Obama meets with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to announce that “Operation Sandblaster,” for a massive nuclear attack on Iran’s supposed “weapons of mass destruction," will be launched on the coming Friday. The Joint Chiefs remonstrate, pointing out that such aggression will trigger retaliation by Russia and China, almost surely plunging the whole world into a thermonuclear World War III. “President” Obama, however, is adamant, and instructs the Joint Chiefs to have the necessary orders for “Sandblaster”—or their resignations—on his desk by Wednesday morning. Knowing that, if they resign, “President” Obama will simply appoint some unprincipled uniformed “yes men” to carry out his plan, the Joint Chiefs immediately order covert break-ins around the country to obtain his original birth certificate and other material evidence relating to his ineligibility for the Office of President. With these documents in hand, on Wednesday morning, accompanied by a contingent of heavily armed Marines, the Joint Chiefs confront “President” Obama with the evidence, arrest him as an usurper and all the Members of Congress as his co-conspirators, and appoint themselves a Military Commission to function as a “caretaker government” during the ensuing “national emergency.”

    I actually didn't post the article because it's long and I knew I'd get the O'worshippers/lovers to come back with some bull-oney comeback like it was too long, or ho hum, or whatever (oh, or the standard "not credible, is a right-wing, etc, etc). But for those interested, here is the link.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm
    Here is article, it disappeared from the above post.
    Before 9/11 the Federal Emergency Management Agency listed the three most likely catastrophic disasters facing America: a terrorist attack on New York, a major earthquake in San Francisco and a hurricane strike on New Orleans. The New Orleans hurricane scenario, The Houston Chronicle wrote in December 2001, may be the deadliest of all. It described a potential catastrophe very much like the one now happening.
    So why were New Orleans and the nation so unprepared? After 9/11, hard questions were deferred in the name of national unity, then buried under a thick coat of whitewash. This time, we need accountability.

    First question: Why have aid and security taken so long to arrive? Katrina hit five days ago - and it was already clear by last Friday that Katrina could do immense damage along the Gulf Coast. Yet the response you'd expect from an advanced country never happened. Thousands of Americans are dead or dying, not because they refused to evacuate, but because they were too poor or too sick to get out without help - and help wasn't provided. Many have yet to receive any help at all.

    There will and should be many questions about the response of state and local governments; in particular, couldn't they have done more to help the poor and sick escape? But the evidence points, above all, to a stunning lack of both preparation and urgency in the federal government's response.

    Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. On Wednesday, said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!

    Maybe administration officials believed that the local National Guard could keep order and deliver relief. But many members of the National Guard and much of its equipment - including high-water vehicles - are in Iraq. The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission, a Louisiana Guard officer told reporters several weeks ago.

    Second question: Why wasn't more preventive action taken? After 2003 the Army Corps of Engineers sharply slowed its flood-control work, including work on sinking levees. The corps, an Editor and Publisher article says, citing a series of articles in The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security - coming at the same time as federal tax cuts - was the reason for the strain.

    In 2002 the corps' chief resigned, reportedly under threat of being fired, after he criticized the administration's proposed cuts in the corps' budget, including flood-control spending.

    Third question: Did the Bush administration destroy FEMA's effectiveness? The administration has, by all accounts, treated the emergency management agency like an unwanted stepchild, leading to a mass exodus of experienced professionals.

    Last year James Lee Witt, who won bipartisan praise for his leadership of the agency during the Clinton years, said at a Congressional hearing: I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded. I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared.

    I don't think this is a simple tale of incompetence. The reason the military wasn't rushed in to help along the Gulf Coast is, I believe, the same reason nothing was done to stop looting after the fall of Baghdad. Flood control was neglected for the same reason our troops in Iraq didn't get adequate armor.

    At a fundamental level, I'd argue, our current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government. They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice.

    Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been repeated warnings about exactly that risk.

    So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying.

    © 2005 New York Times

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    You post an article. How typical.
    I DON'T CARE about your articles.  This isn't ABOUT articles.  Many of us have someone there.  By all means, don't step outside that box.  Don't make a life better.  And by all means NEVER EVER THINK OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF.   I don't want to hear your personal stories.  As far as I am concerned, those soldiers over there are everyone's son, everyone's daughter. 
    Re-post the rest of the article....sm
    people at the restaurant says he didn't watch it.



    A host at the restaurant tells CBS News' that the President-elect stopped by the only television in the high end establishment, a small screen at the bar, and watched for "a minute or two." The source said he did not notice what Mr. Obama was watching but that "no" it was not for an extended period of time.
    Read the article before you post.
    x
    Re-red the original post with the CBS link/article on his
    At least it wasn't Fox covering it, so you should believe eyewitnesses, shouldn't you?
    So this is a mistake? Reading that article

    Was this a planned pregnancy?  Maybe, maybe not?  Who knows but the girl that obviously is having sex and not using birth control.  Hello?  Is this the year 2008?  Whewee... 


    Sounds to me like this young father is stepping into quite a family!  VP as his MIL; whatta guy!!!!!  It's a shame more young fathers don't step up and marry their children's mother, but this one sure is.... 


    I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm
    pYou have also to read what's posted 'inside' the message.
    Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
    I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts.  It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
    Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
    t
    post the link only, not the whole article and the link. See rules for posting.
    x
    The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
    I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here. 
    Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
    xx
    Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
    Why did you post this?  Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president?  Why did you post that?  I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board.  Are you trying to start trouble?  If so, let me know and I will report you immediately.  No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president.  Does that answer your question?  Now, go back to the republican board.  We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
    Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
    Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
    or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
    I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
    You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
    Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they

    The above post explains a lot about everything else you post!
    Your revelation about being married to a career Army guy explains why your views are skewed so drastically to the far right! I thought it had to do with small-town Pennsylvania, but now I truly understand where you are coming from. Thank you for explaining that us. We will read your posts in a completely different light now that we know the truth.
    If you want to post something on the subject, post

    objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.


    I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books.  To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:


    "Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.


    While we are proud of the journalistic contribution that this Web site has made over the past decade – and while we are deeply grateful to our readers whose contributions have kept us afloat – we also must admit that we have not made the case well enough that this mission is a vital one.


    Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "


    I second your post and 'watcher's post
    is misinformed crap.
    Go here and scroll down to the
    United States.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth

    After you read that, you may understand better what it is Obama seeks to correct. After reading that, it is not that difficult to believe that Obama's tax cuts for 95% or Americans is feasible and a legitimate claim.
    And be sure to scroll down...

    to see what your "Income Tax Liability" will be.


    McCain is doing nothing but playing a shell game with this money.  The unregulated health insurance companies will be nothing more than a Wall Street redux before it's all said and done.


    Your own included?
    you must be an inbred offspring of some real fine folks. Have you ever lost a loved one? If not, you need to so you can have an opportunity to learn what a total jerk you are being.
    Or how about we scroll through the
    pages and see how many times you have personally attacked someone for having a different opinion.  Did you ever think that maybe you get personally attacked because you personally attack others?  You cry and whine just as much as pubs do....so who is the hypocrit?
    You need to scroll down cuz your repub pal
    k? clear now? Palin's husband belongs to a fringe political group that tried to have Alaska secede from the Union. Are you trying to deny that and say he is absolved from all sin because he is a fisherman?
    Not a group I'd ever want to be included in.
    x
    That may be included as well...but the ACORN thing...
    is something that Dodd wanted attached which has nothing to do with the average Joe...and as I said, ACORN is being sued in multiple states and is under investigation in detroit right now for voter fraud. NONE of ANY federal funds should be going to that group. Period. In my opinion. And CERTAINLY not part of a financial bailout.
    You better scroll and read the posts.....sm
    nm
    Shoudl have included -- A complicated
    op report, discharge summary, H&P, etc. Simple everyday ER notes, x-rays, etc., can be done, but not indepth reports. There is still going to be a need for MTs, whether transcribing or editing.
    Bush is trying to pardon himself - link included
    If this is not enough to get you going I don't know what is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RwoFcLgxA0


    Gitmo -- bringing this up top cause I'm just lazy and don't want to scroll.

    Obama told George Stephanopoulos at ABC News:


     


    "We are going to close Guantanamo and we are going to make sure that the procedures we set up are ones that abide by our Constitution."


     


    I'm sorry, but those being held at Gitmo are not citizens of the United States; therefore, are not entitled to any protection under the Constitution.  Why not say 'abide by the Geneva Convention'?  Even then, how many of our POWs were treated as outlined in the Geneva Convention?  Let's not forget, this is a war and these terrorists are POWs.  President Bush sought to protect the citizens of this country whatever the cost.  After the awful events of 9/11, it was his priority.  The world needs to know if you target the U.S. there are consequences. 


     


    And I want to know where they are going to put these 250 or so terrorists?  I live 50 miles from Fort Leavenworth and that's a little too close for comfort for me.  I assume some will be released to return to their country where, of course, they will plot their next terrorist attack.  While others will be housed in federal facilities like Leavenworth and then what?  We sit them down for tea and crumpets and ask them nicely if they plan on blowing anything else up here in America? 


     

    How quickly Americans have forgotten the victims and families of 9/11!
    My post was a direct answer to the direct post...
    of Democrat. It was not a blank open-ended statement. And dial it back a notch...it is certainly your right to protest anything any time you want to. Just like it is my right to protest you protesting while men and women are still in harm's way, because you are in effect aiding the enemy. Apparently the Viet Nam experience taught you nothing. Americans protesting in the streets heartened the enemy and when they were about to surrender decided not to, based a lot upon what was happening in the American streets. I believe that the protesting in that war prolonged the war and cost more American lives. Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason. That being said...lessons were not learned and the protestors are doing the exact same thing now. Exercising the very right bought for them by shedding of American military blood. And I still say common courtesy should keep people out of the streets and off the TV until the military are home safe. But it just proves the same thing to me over and over...the selfISHhness of the protestors vs. the selfLESSness of the military. They continue to put it all on the line for your right to protest anything you want to protest...it is up to YOU to decide where and when that is appropriate, and it is up to you to take the heat for same. It is up to me and others like me (in my opinion) to apply that heat. Go ahead and do whatever your conscience or lack thereof moves you to do. But do not expect those of a different mind not to protest the protest.
    Are you reading the same thing I am reading? sm
    Did you read Mein Kampf?  Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there. Good grief, you people won't admit when you are wrong and frankly, that is pretty darned frightening!
    Thanks for the post. I think I will look up that

    article.


    And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."


    I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq.  (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)


    I didn't have a crystal ball.  I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.


    I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine.  Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article.  I'm going to try to look that up on the web.


    I know they don't. I said that in my post. NM
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    Actually, that post is right on. sm
    You sound like a total lunatic, out of control and full of hatred.  You sound like someone who could do just what "vs" says.  You had best take a look at your behavior.  YOUR posts are the ones who should be reported.  You are one frightening person. 
    Re your post

    From your post:


    "Did you read Mein Kampf?  Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there."


    Wrote about what?  That the Jews were socialists?


    This is an entirely different post.
    Really wasn't directed to you anyhow.
    your post is just sad

    I'm actually feeling sad for you right now gt.  You obviously don't know what Christianity is about.  Pat Robertson does not speak for me, and I don't endorse what he said.  I'm sorry you are so bitter and hate filled that you would wish anyone to burn in hell.  There are some evil people in this world but my first wish for them is that they find Christ and turn from their evil ways with His help.  I too hope one day you find Christ, gt, and quit letting misguided Christians and Christian leaders keep you from HIM.  Their blunders are not worth your eternal soul.


    thank you for your post
    What a great post, so heartfelt and I thank you for it. 
    Yes I do. see my post below. nm
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