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I second your post and 'watcher's post
is misinformed crap.
I made a mistake and was trying to respond to the post below by *LOL* when I wrote that.
in the article you posted, nor did I see the word *impeach* anywhere in the article.
I agree with your comments and with the article you referred to, and I understood the comments of LOL to mean that the article was responding to some sort of "talking points" and using the word impeach often, when in fact, it can't be found once in that article.
As far as impeaching Bush, I believe time will tell. I personally believe he's guilty of war crimes, and that his war will be judged to be illegal before the end of his "reign as King of the USA." (if we all manage to survive that long).
The mere fact that he led us into this war based on lies should be enough to impeach him.
If I offended you, then I truly apologize. I agree with you and I'm glad you posted this article. I surely wouldn't have referred you back to the very article you obviously read and posted and tell you to educate yourself, and in no way, shape or form do I believe you are ignorant; far from it.
If you posted the LOL statement below, then I apologize for misunderstanding what you meant by it.
I made a mistake when posting my post, and instead of winding up under the intended post, it wound up under yours instead. Again, I'm sorry if I offended you.
I think you wrote a wonderful post; but the "giving money to the rich,"....sm
historically has been the rule of the day while the Republicans were in power, I think Mr. Cheney prospered the most during the Bush administration and his cronies. And I agree it is NOT a partisan thing, right is right, wrong is wrong, but at this point in time we have a new president who has only been in office a month; he is ambitious, forward-thinking, altruistic, decisive, and strong. I agree some of those programs SHOULD have been left out, but perhaps he had to make those concessions in order to get the more important social programs and reforms this country needs. He is tring to perform a MAMMOTH, HERCULEAN task, I respect him for it, and he deserves more of a chance than he is getting. I he has made many speeches saying that he proposes to hold more and more corporations and institutions ACCOUNTABLE for their actions and suffer consequences. Can we give him the time to do so? JMHO
Great post!. But, sorry, JTBB wont let that
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JTBB wrote 7 lines, you say she conflated them into
16 issues and can't answer. Did I read you correctly, you're going to be an intelligence analyst? OMG!!
thanks, Marmann, I miss JTBB, hasn't post since yesterday evening, you o.k?..nm
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P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.
Reprinted in Boston Globe. Sorry!
Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts. It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
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The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
Why did you post this? Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president? Why did you post that? I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board. Are you trying to start trouble? If so, let me know and I will report you immediately. No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president. Does that answer your question? Now, go back to the republican board. We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
Tired of choosing between crap and crap?
I posted "over there" and so I figured I'd post over here, too. Anyone else tired of party wars and sheep mentality and more interested in the Constitutional Republic that made us what we are now?
Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they
The above post explains a lot about everything else you post!
Your revelation about being married to a career Army guy explains why your views are skewed so drastically to the far right! I thought it had to do with small-town Pennsylvania, but now I truly understand where you are coming from. Thank you for explaining that us. We will read your posts in a completely different light now that we know the truth.
If you want to post something on the subject, post
objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.
I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books. To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:
"Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.
While we are proud of the journalistic contribution that this Web site has made over the past decade – and while we are deeply grateful to our readers whose contributions have kept us afloat – we also must admit that we have not made the case well enough that this mission is a vital one.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "
My post was a direct answer to the direct post...
of Democrat. It was not a blank open-ended statement. And dial it back a notch...it is certainly your right to protest anything any time you want to. Just like it is my right to protest you protesting while men and women are still in harm's way, because you are in effect aiding the enemy. Apparently the Viet Nam experience taught you nothing. Americans protesting in the streets heartened the enemy and when they were about to surrender decided not to, based a lot upon what was happening in the American streets. I believe that the protesting in that war prolonged the war and cost more American lives. Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason. That being said...lessons were not learned and the protestors are doing the exact same thing now. Exercising the very right bought for them by shedding of American military blood. And I still say common courtesy should keep people out of the streets and off the TV until the military are home safe. But it just proves the same thing to me over and over...the selfISHhness of the protestors vs. the selfLESSness of the military. They continue to put it all on the line for your right to protest anything you want to protest...it is up to YOU to decide where and when that is appropriate, and it is up to you to take the heat for same. It is up to me and others like me (in my opinion) to apply that heat. Go ahead and do whatever your conscience or lack thereof moves you to do. But do not expect those of a different mind not to protest the protest.
You are very much misinformed
Bible meetings are held in many homes REGULARLY. They are not conducting business. They are discussing God's Word and praying. Some people live so far out in the country, too far from churches, that REGULAR Bible meetings are held in the homes on REGULAR basis. Same sex marriage is not a right for anyone. Homosexuals are not denied any rights that anyone else isn't denied. I think Tupperware is a business the last time I checked.
No - you are misinformed -
http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1520
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_325413.html
Michelle resigned her position after the election as she would be moving to Washington. She was not let go. She was on a paid leave of absence during the election.
And the hospital continued to provide some indigent care to the tune of 10 million dollars, just not as much as the national average.
I still do not see the harm in giving some patients rides to other hospitals if they are not there for life threatening injuries and are only there abusing the system because they have a cold, have medicare, and did not want to go to the doctor during the day!!!
Truly sad...... and misinformed....
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You're misinformed.
As usual.
You're misinformed then....
What Michelle Obama did WAS illegal.... she was taking govt dollars which was DIRECTLY intended for charity patients, regardless of ER or where, but she booted them out and sent then to surrounding hospitals which were NOT receiving govt dollars for charity patients. She knew exactly what she was doing was wrong and she was spear heading the committed to do these acts.....
The entire purpose of all those MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars were to make room for the indigent patient, regardless of ER visits or what, so the hospital could not say they didn't have the funds to treat them. Because people found out and reported her transgressions, the hospital put her on leave because they were hoping everything would quiet down. When it did not, she was quietly let go of her position with no one put in that position....the position was done away with!! This ONLY happened because her husband was a state senator....plain and simple. What she was doing was illegal. Yep, they are soooo worried about those poor people without healthcare. Yep, they thought that $317 THOUSAND dollar position was soooo important, they just did away with it completely after they booted her out!
Excuse me, but as president, Obama had EVERY opportunity to NOT allow lobbyists up there, but he has his OWN lobbyists pushing HIS OWN agendas! Lets not find excuses for poor pitiful little Obama. This is one area where he could shut the door on lobbyists and said he would but he flat OUT LIED, LIED, LIED, which is no surprise to many of us.
Lets not get side tracked on the tobacco issue. Obama couldn't care less about pushing a tobacco agenda except he has decided HE doesn't want to smoke, so only now does it become an issue to him and sucking in MORE TAXES for his agendas. Lets not confuse his reasoning or purpose.... he doesn't give a rat's butt who smokes or how young they start. If he weren't trying to quit, this wouldn't be an issue.
Sure he advocates late-term abortions. Someone who DOES NOT advocate late-term abortions, votes AGAINST them not FOR THEM! Please! How asinine!
I'm tired of this rep vs. dem crap!! I would have loved for Ron Paul to be given a fraction of the TV time to speak the truth about this country and what is happening to it. How could anyone disagree with what he was trying/wanting to do for this country!!
Do you even listen to what he says? It's obvious you are misinformed! nm
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Nah, you are misinformed. Obama is doing the right thing for all of us. nm
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Faux News viewers most misinformed -
Misperceptions, Media, and the Iraq War Please be warned it's a 23-page PDF file. Very interesting and not surprising to many of us.
Only on deaf ears if from misinformed mouth nm
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Doesn't make you a racist, just misinformed.
I grew up in the 60s when racial tensions were extremely high, and we knew what was racist and what was not racist, and this cartoon is definitely racist. You really don't want to go back to that horrible time and place, so if we can inform others to show just a little bit of compassion and/or respect to others, it will go a long way to soothe the underlying tensions that still exist.
I guess I was misinformed. I thought most liberals were antigun.sm
I do not like guns myself, but protecting the right to have one and protect ourselves I do believe in.
Thanks for the post. I think I will look up that
article.
And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."
I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq. (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)
I didn't have a crystal ball. I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.
I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine. Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article. I'm going to try to look that up on the web. 
I know they don't. I said that in my post. NM
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Actually, that post is right on. sm
You sound like a total lunatic, out of control and full of hatred. You sound like someone who could do just what "vs" says. You had best take a look at your behavior. YOUR posts are the ones who should be reported. You are one frightening person.
Re your post
From your post:
"Did you read Mein Kampf? Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there."
Wrote about what? That the Jews were socialists?
This is an entirely different post.
Really wasn't directed to you anyhow.
your post is just sad
I'm actually feeling sad for you right now gt. You obviously don't know what Christianity is about. Pat Robertson does not speak for me, and I don't endorse what he said. I'm sorry you are so bitter and hate filled that you would wish anyone to burn in hell. There are some evil people in this world but my first wish for them is that they find Christ and turn from their evil ways with His help. I too hope one day you find Christ, gt, and quit letting misguided Christians and Christian leaders keep you from HIM. Their blunders are not worth your eternal soul.
thank you for your post
What a great post, so heartfelt and I thank you for it.
Yes I do. see my post below. nm
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The post.
You think there is only one patriot here? Get a trip on your sour shrivled heart and try not to speak.
Whoops! I made a mistake. My bad.
This is the post where the NEOCON tells the LIBERAL not to speak ON HER OWN BOARD!
They can't show a post of a liberal telling Army Mom not to speak because it doesn't exist.
Where did you get that from my post?
Really? I did? Where do you read that in my post? I talk about taking care of the middle class and that the rich really dont give a darn about the middle class. I talk about a friend who is quite smug and out of touch with real America. No where do I mention anything about Kerry or Kennedy.
please post
I would appreciate it if you could post statements from Black Americans that they are okay with Bennetts comments.
What does that have to do with gt's post
I said if we had posted something like that we would have been castigated. You're just proving that point. I'm not in a pissing contest with you...really
And another *right-on* post!
I agree with every single word you said. America is becoming a very scary place indeed. I believe, as you do, that there are people who are eagerly awaiting the *Rapture* and indeed believe they have the *inside track* to heaven. Unfortunately, it look as if this country might actually suffer from their self-fulfilled prophecy if it continues going backwards in time under Bush's completely inept leadership.
Please keep posting. I really enjoy reading your posts.
Thanks very much for your post.
It makes me feel a lot better to hear someone say they're against this. When express outrage at my posting about the issue, instead of expressing outrage about the issue itself, it truly makes me wonder.
I honestly do not recall any threads on the conservative board about this issue. All I recall is total silence (or attacks) when the issue is mentioned.
I also wasn't trying to imply that the crime of child molestation is more prevalent in one political party or another. Obviously, that's irrelevant, and I have a hard time even associating a criminal like that with any political views one way or the other.
It's just that this seems to be a no-brainer, an issue on which virtually everyone can agree, yet the right seems to be eerily quiet when this topic comes up.
Thank you for this post!
Thanks for this post!! I heard about it somewhere but in the chaos that has become my life lately, I probably would have completely forgotten about it..so glad you submitted this..
Please see my post to you above.
I made a mistake and posted my reply in the wrong place. Sorry.
This post had nothing to do with the US...
being a guiltless superpower. It had to do with devaluation of life and a moral decline and what that can inevitably lead to. As to your post, yes, many bad things have happened in many countries...yet if you stack up the dollars, the American lives, that we have poured into human rights issues around the world, you will see that we are far, far ahead of the rest of the world. Nobody can do it all, but America as a country has been the least likely to turn its head in those cases. As a side note, I am of Cherokee and Choctaw descent and I do not believe, nor have I ever, that America as a country has thought my ancestors subhuman. There are always, within any culture, those who set themselves above others. Even among Indian peoples they enslaved other Indian peoples. No one, no culture, is blameless; and no one, no culture, can fix it all. However, as a country, America's record in giving of aid in money, human technical support, human military support, etc., far surpasses any other nation. And we continue to do it, even when we the hand are bitten by those we feed. Because that is what America is as a country. That is why I love this country, what she stands for, and while I am proud of every bit of my ancestry, I am also very proud to be an American.
Re: Your post
You wrote:
That is what America does. We point at what we believe to be wrong and say so. At least we used to.
I beg to differ somewhat on your view of our historical treatment of the Native Americans, being an amateur historian of the settlement of the West. The Native Americans alternately were glorified or vilified by the white culture. Had they not been portrayed as subhumans by our government at one time in the history of the West they would not have been exterminated so carelessly at times. As well, our history of race relations with blacks in the south is certainly nothing to be proud of. Perhaps another country should have come along in both instances and pointed at us, or we should have perhaps pointed at ourselves.
Your post
Yes, in some cases Native Americans were vilified by SOME in the white culture, not all. Yes, there were bad whites. Yes, they often attacked and killed when they should not have. Indians also attacked and killed when they should not have. The very first Americans, I am not talking about the West, but the colonists, got along with American colonists. And, as I stated, Indian peoples mistreated each other as well. There were wars, massacres, slavery, ill treatment. I do not say that to excuse anyone. I also do not think a the blame game for something that happened in the past is not productive. It does not enable people to learn from the past and move on. The persons involved in the villifying are long since dead. Yes, we need to learn from it, but we do not need to bear grudges. As I stated, I am of Indian descent, two different tribes. I bear no grudges. The people who did the deeds are long since dead and my bearing a grudge against men long dead serves no purpose. As to history of race relations with the blacks.... and if I might point out here members of my Cherokee ancestor's tribe, owned slaves. Slavery was not confined to the south. And, as a country, we DID point at ourselves. In case you do not recall, our country was divided and a civil war was fought. Many of my Cherokee ancestors fought for the Confederacy, the slaves they held right beside them. Members of the tribe of my ancestors were involved in the Trail of Tears, but they also held slaves. We need to leave the past in the past, learn from it, and move on steadfast in the idea that we will not allow it to happen again. That is the best thing we can do for those long since dead. Slavery was not the only issue in the civil war, but it was a major issue. So, I would say most definitely, we pointed at ourselves concerning slavery. No country would point at us because of slavery, because most other countries practiced it too. Slavery was not an American thing. Other countries had a class system, the haves and the have nots, and treated the lower cases horribly as well. This was not a problem that was originated in America. The difference is, it was not the entire country with us. We did not believe in that kind of behavior as a country, and we were willing to divide and fight a civil war because of that belief. As an aside, Africans enslaved each other. It was Africans who sold other Africans to white traders. As I said, there is blame to be had everywhere. Is there a country in the world with a history less repugnant to you than the US? Who has a history devoid of mistreatment?
No, want to see the post where I said....
....that I enjoyed finding errors and correcting people. This post says I enjoy doing research. I enjoy most research I do. I also worked in epidemiology in medical research for a good part of my 30s and 40s. Loved it. That's probably why I can be kind of exasperatingly exacting about people citing fiction as fact.
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