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She's not worth a debate IMHO...BTDT..nm

Posted By: Democrat on 2006-07-30
In Reply to: Again, there will still be plenty who will carry her. sm - MT




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BTDT.
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BTDT.
I did comment on it a few minutes ago. I never said I did not believe something was going down. I simply wanted to do my own research, gather the info and draw my own conclusions. I would be interested in any response you may care to make.

To tell you the truth, I don't feel I have enough info just yet to comment on exactly what she may be up to. I'm a dyed-in-wool Kool-Aider, and about as left as they come, but I am not that impressed with Pelosi and think the party could do better....MUCH better. I don't know about her being purposely swarmy or anything like that, but I think she's a divider instead of a uniter and that's the LAST thing we need in the House. It also looks like her power has gone to her head, not a terrible reassuring or attractive quality.

I can be a real hardline agitator when it comes to rhetoric and heated debates on subjects that I hold dear to me, but when it comes to leadership, I look for results, not pomp and circumstance. That's why they are there and I hang out on the forums!
BTDT. Please address views of the
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BTDT. Just thought you might want to share
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We've BTDT with this subject.
The "sex education" being discussed relates to the kind where children are empowered to recognize inappropriate touching by adults and encouraged to report such molestation incidents to schoold counselors and parents. By best friend is an adult survivor of molestation that occurred between ages 4 and 7. Her 2 sisters were also molested. She has schizoaffective disorder, had a psychotic break at age 30 (when her first and ONLY relationship with a man ended) of the sort that disabled her from being self-supportive for 2 years.

Since that time, she has been in individual and group counseling twice weekly and has been on heavy medication consisting of anxiolytics x2, antidepressants, antipsychotics and sleep medications ever since. She is 53 years old now and continues to live a tortured existence and is barely able to hold down an hourly MT job...production being out of the question because she can't handle the stress.

I have to wonder how her life and the lives of her 2 sisters (one a life-long alcoholic, the other with manic depression) had someone told her that sitting on grandpa's lap and bounching up and down was not a good game to play with him and that her father was not supposed to touch her "wee-wee" when he puts her to bed at night.
BTDT. This is an equally offensive opportunity.
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Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution
Give it up. Ain't happenin'.
IMHO....

wanting segregation no matter what race you are (minority or not) is racist.  That is what I took from her thesis.


IMHO....
First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with you that ILLEGALS should have their butts shipped back home and not hired to fill jobs LEGAL citizens can do (regardless of those who actually believe no one wants "those" jobs....that's crap!!) AND our borders should be secured to the point (unlike now), if you dare try to cross, you will be shot on sight....THE END! Wonder how many will continue to try to cross if they actually think they will be killed or how many will risk giving birth in our hospitals with their anchor babies? Probably not many after a few are picked off!! AND we stop punishing our border patrol agents for doing their job. One can only imagine the glee illegals got from knowing our government is so a**backwards that we lock up our own border patrol agents for doing their job!

On the other hand, taxing AIG executives 95% isn't legal in the first place and why should we suddenly go after them. Not ALL the executives are the bad guys. On the other hand, Obama's administration KNEW darn well these bonuses were already contracted when they handed out these billions of dollars, so they just look like fools trying to get it back by illegally taking it! These were legally binding contracts a private company has every right to do. If Obama was so worried the American taxpayer was suddenly giving them money and this MAY have been going to their bonuses, why did he let it pass? Wasn't it his DUTY to go through this thing LINE BY LINE. Wasn't that his campaign promise....of course, he has reneged on so many of his joke promises, nothing surprises me coming from him.

But once the word was out that Obama's bunch KNEW full well these contracts were signed LAST YEAR and were perfectly legally binding contracts and AFTER someone blew the whistle on it, THEN he pretends to be SOOOO angry and wants to get the money back?!! He's such a joke. These were last year's contracts and were/are legal!

Maybe they should have done their homework first instead of jumping the gun and handing over billions of taxpayers' dollars before they start back peddling and strutting around like little peacocks boasting how they are gonna get our money back. Pleeeze! This administration is a stinking joke! Looks like the keystone cops running around up there.

Heck, many democrats are turning on Obama left and right and calling for him to REIGN IN his spending. Even they are smart enough to figure out this guy is OUT OF CONTROL!
Sorry, IMHO
When Levi Johnson and Bristol Palin signed on as the poster children for the McCain-Palin ticket, they became political figures. The more Sara Palin continued to exploit these pathetic pregnant teens, the more political they became. If you don't want to discuss it and are looking for a more intelligent read, I suggest you start reading comic books!
Sums It Up, IMHO

Pretty much sums it up, if you ask me:


From the  Sunday Portland Oregonian:

"Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote,
invest, [balance our budgets], educate our children--- and now, die--- I think the Republicans have done a fine job of getting government out of our personal lives."


Thank you, IMHO. (Please see message.)

Wow!  LOL.  I can certainly relate to making MANY mistakes, and I agree that it's okay to say you're wrong.  I also agree that it keeps us humble and human, and to me, some of the best laughs I've ever had were when I was laughing at myself! 


Although I appreciate very much your message about being nice to you, I can't help but feel sad that it's come to the point on this board where someone has to thank someone else for just being civil.  I plead guilty to sometimes letting things get to me and have complained bitterly about those things at times, but I have always tried to complain about the issue at hand and not personalize it because I believe we can all agree without being disagreeable.  (If anyone on this board believes I have attacked them personally, then I truly apologize because it wasn't meant that way.)  Being nice to someone shouldn't be the exception; it should be the rule.


I, too, enjoy reading people's different opinions because I want to learn as much as I can, as well, and find new things to research, just like you. 


As far as Anthony Hopkins is concerned, I couldn't agree with you more, and I can understand how one might think his characters are based on real people.  I laughed out loud when I saw his inclusion in your list of doctors, and I'm very glad you interpreted my post in the manner it was intended:  as something funny and as something I, myself, might be more than capable of doing and laughing at myself for it, as well.


I just wanted to thank you for such a lovely post and wish you a great day. 


Not really a loss, IMHO.
I believe the term for him and others like him are RINOs (Republicans in name only).

Now at least he won't have to lie about which party he belongs to.
Not really a loss, IMHO.
I believe the term for him and others like him are RINOs (Republicans in name only).

Now at least he won't have to lie about which party he belongs to.
It is criminal neglect, IMHO
The more I read articles and watch videos in the net, the more horror it all becomes, I truly believe it is criminal neglect.  I would think whomever will be found responsible after investigations (I assume Bush will be, the evidence is there), should be put on trial.  This was just simply neglect by the federal govt to respond to a national emergency and hundreds or thousands have died because of it, animals are dying, billions will have to be spent to rebuild, people no doubt will be traumatically scarred for years to come, especially the children.  Some will never know what happened to their family as the longer the bodies lay in the water and heat, their DNA breaks down.  Beautiful New Orleans destroyed.  Its like Bush is truly disconnected..he does not comprehend impending emergencies, he just does not get it and he would rather joke about disasters, like he did last week.  I wonder if all that alcohol and cocaine he did in his youth burned part of his thought processes?  Im just wondering what the next catastrophe will be under Bush's watch.  9/11, Iraq war and now this..American's dirty little secret is out to the world..we dont take care of the less fortunate, we would rather spend billions killing people in other countries than helping poor American citizens and strengthening our infrastructure.  I hope the momentum continues and we demand from our servants, the politicians, to put America back on the right track. 
Teaching about contraception is the key, IMHO
We need to start teaching men and women about contraception.  Im amazed when I read medical reports at how many do not use anything or the *rhythm method*.  Yes, I agree with you..I would love for there to be no thing such as abortion..It is a terrible thing, breaks my heart, however, until we educate people about contraception and taking responsibility for their sexual lives, abortion will continue, whether it is legal or not..and that is the terrible part.  I can remember back in NY in the 1970s..Abortion was not legal..and women ended up dead in back room alleys, dirty motel rooms, in their own homes, trying to end a pregnancy with a coat hanger, their insides ripped out.  I remember seeing pictures in Ms Magazine of police files of women who died trying to terminate a pregnancy.  I fear it will go back to that..
IMHO, this is a ridiculous assertion.
Just how does appointing Panetta serve as pay back to the Clintons? He has Clintonites around him because that is where he has to go to look for leadership that is not tainted by Bush's one-man disaster area, especially when it comes to the CIA.
You're right...should be McPain... IMHO.


Ok, how about he was a "closet Obama supporter" until now..IMHO...nm

IMHO Colin Powell isn't a puppet.

IMHO -great post! I feel the same way.nm
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IMHO, I've never thought he was that funny...
and have always preferred Leno over him. I typically don't watch much late-night TV, but when given the choice, I always watched Leno. I haven't seen much of Conan's show yet, but I'm sure I would prefer him over Letterman any day.

I want to see what happens to the first "comedian" that makes fun of Obama's children. You'd have to get a tic sheet to count the number of times that person would be called a racist.
IMHO, I've never thought he was that funny...
and have always preferred Leno over him. I typically don't watch much late-night TV, but when given the choice, I always watched Leno. I haven't seen much of Conan's show yet, but I'm sure I would prefer him over Letterman any day.

I want to see what happens to the first "comedian" that makes fun of Obama's children. You'd have to get a tic sheet to count the number of times that person would be called a racist.
IMHO, Wilson discredits himself, if one takes a look at the facts.
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Debate, lets debate
Honey, I dont know if your problem is Alzheimer's or Parkinson's but I have debated all over this board..I have tried and tried again and again to debate with your cohorts..It starts out okay and then your conservative friends start attacking and it continues through the debate to where then there is no longer a debate.  I ask for you to check the archives and you will see this..nothing but personal attacks against me, which then I attacked back..Debate..lets debate..I WOULD LOVE TO DEBATE WITHOUT ATTACKS..Place an issue and lets debate..Who knows..my consciousness might be raised or yours might be..Lets do it,,
Nancy Pelosi has become a huge embarrassment and detriment to the Dem party, IMHO......nm
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take it for what it's worth.....
What exactly do you think the ACLU is going to do?
For what its worth....
Ann Coulter is an entertainer. The left has them too...Michael Moore...Al Franken...and every time she says something outrageous the left runs backwards, gives her a lot of press, and she rakes in the dough. So she keeps saying things, the left keeps running backwards, and she makes more money. Just like Michael Moore, just like AL Franken. I used to hear things on Air America that make Ann Coulter look like little Orphan Annie. But I never heard the left condemn them either. Probably because I have seen some of the left post here things like *a waste of air* talking about another human being, and then in the same breath have another liberal post all the wonderful things liberals are supposed to be like *live and let live.* In other words...some snipes at Republicans who dare to post here near about as hateful as Ann Coulter.

All that being said...she is an entertainer. If the left would stop reacting like she was the devil incarnate every time she opened her mouth, she would go away, just Air America did. If conservatives had run screaming in the streets every time Air America said something controversial, they never would have folded. It is consumer driven, DW...and frankly, right now, the left is driving Ann Coulter more than the right is.
so how much am I worth?
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Something worth
The "waterboarding" methods used by the Japanese differed significantly from those used by our intelligence operatives. The Japanese often pushed a tube into the prisoner's mouth so that the water would distend the stomach, causing real pain (which our version does not) and ultimately rupturing the stomach. They also had no physicians in attendance to see to the prisoner's safety, as we always did.

So, the fact that the two techniques happen to go by the same name does not make them moral equivalents either in their methods or the way they were conducted.

To paraphrase the dairy industry: Got facts?
What isn't worth fighting for...
Probably a lot of things are worth fighting for...like liberty, to protect our country, to protect our values and ideals.

Unfortunately though it's been a long time since any wars were really fought for those things. They tell us that's what it's all about and we try to buy it, but if we happen to look at the facts closely, we just find out a lot of wealthy people get richer and they use the blood of other people's children to do it. They make up enemies and pour on the propaganda to rile us up so we'll think it's noble to go and die, and make them rich. That's how it seems to me anyway, and history certainly tends to back up that conclusion.

I think the last time we were fighting for worthwhile things was when we wore animal skins and carried wooden spears.
Not even worth a reply -

Truly, someone like this is not worth the energy.
There is no logical thought behind their posts.  Calling me a racist is a silly immature infantile leftist ploy.  We know that.  I learned a long time ago to ignore posters such as this. 
hmmmmmmm - not worth it
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Maybe you are not worth the time
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So maybe your net worth went up cuz you're
It's also not a viable option for most people.
Worth a Looksie

 


http://news.newsmax.com/?ZKI6Y1SaRsveVj2cAdYJtBQ1z3rkxJU1Z


Like my teacher used to say, if you have nothing worth
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Ya think they'll let her keep the $150,000 worth of
and accessories if the numbers don't take 'em over the top on Nov 4th?
and why was that worth reading?
I got nothing from that except that it is one more person who does not like Obama.

There was nothing in there that was not just one person's personal viewpoint - an obvious McCain supporter.
say something worth reading

You are BORING with your same rants day after day.  Especially when they were already discussed on last nights news.  I'm not wasting my time.  Have fun, I guess? 


Old news but worth remembering
Lets Not Forget: Bush Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' Before Becoming President




15 September 2002: A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.

This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.

The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.

The PNAC report also:

l refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';

l describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';

l reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;

l says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';

l spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';

l calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;

l hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';

l and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.

Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.

'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'


©2002 smg sunday newspapers ltd


Many Say War Not Worth It; Cheney: 'So?'
Did you see Cheney on the ABC News tonight? You should have seen his smirky grin when he told her "so." He doesn't care what the country thinks about the war.

"On the security front, I think there's a general consensus that we've made major progress, that the surge has worked. That's been a major success," Cheney told ABC News' Martha Raddatz.

When asked about how that jibes with recent polls that show about two-thirds of Americans say the fight in Iraq is not worth it, Cheney replied, "So?"

"You don't care what the American people think?" Raddatz asked the vice president.

Yeah - that would be worth watching.

It is worth mentioning that the author
of this article is a a conservative Republican and contributing Editor of Red State, a conservative blog. Since we are always hearing after this or that article about that paper or station being liberal, I think it should be be noted that this is clearly republican and biased on that account.
Anyone who takes Fox tabloid seriously is not worth it and
Fox is a one sided propaganda hateful tabloid. It's quite clear to the intelligent people of this world. Think about it for a minute. Sheesh. They lie. lie lie lie and Hannity is the worst one.
Looks like it was a point worth missing.
you decide to let us in on what that elusive point might be.
Not true and not worth commenting on.
Please do some research before you post things that are not true. Just do a Google search and you will find the truth.

Another fishy story from someone who took the Republican bait hook, line, and sinker!
Dollars you have in your pocket won't be worth anything.....
As value decreases now, world is found on shaky ground, too, so my thought is that they are probably going to come up with a currency that will be used by all countries involved (from research I've done) and the dollars you have in your bank account, savings account (?) and pocket won't be worth a red minted cent!
Not even worth the time - see message
To respond to someone who knows nothing about how the stock market works.

Your just another liberal trying to cut down people that don't believe the way you do and somehow elevate yourself to the elite crowd. No thanks.

DH has made a career working in the stock market, researching, writing articles and providing companies with information on stocks, futures, etc. etc.

Loopey is all the glossy-eye O worshippers who wouldn't know the truth if it hit em in the face. They close their eyes and follow the voice of Farrahkan and others and don't question anything.


Government Spending: Is It Worth $62,000 to You?.....sm


Government Spending: Is It Worth $62,000 to You?

By John R. Lott, Jr.
Author, “Freedomnomics”/Senior Research Scientist, University of Maryland

The stimulus bill had to be passed quickly. President Obama warned that not passing it would result in disaster. He warned that any delay was “inexcusable.” The 1,071 page stimulus bill had to be voted on quickly — so quickly this last week that the House and the Senate couldn’t even provide politicians the 48 hours they were supposed to have to read it.

The legislation was not put up on the Web until 11 PM on February 12 and the House passed it just 12 hours later. The Senate started voting on it only hours after that. Politician after politician admitted or complained that it was physically impossible to read the bill. As it was, the copies available on the Web for voters had all sorts of hand markings on it that sometimes made it difficult to figure out exactly what the bill proposed.

Just to let this sink in — the amount of money that the government is committing to spend this year is equivalent to the average taxpayer just writing the government a check today for $62,200.

Despite all this pressure, Obama seems rather laid back after the bill was passed — he doesn’t plan the signing ceremony until Tuesday. As the New York Post noted, after passage, Obama “promptly took off for a three-day holiday getaway.” Possibly, Obama’s vacation was well deserved, but why couldn’t Congress have held debate and voted over the weekend or on Monday to allow extra time to read the bill?

It was not just the House and Senate rules that were set aside to get this vote through quickly. Promises were broken also. During the presidential campaign, Obama promised voters at least 5 days to study legislation. Obama’s presidential campaign Web site claimed that any earmark should have a written justification as well as “72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.” Of course, the whole spending bill is at odds with Obama’s promise to cut “net” government spending.

But the Democrats had help ramming this through. Three Republican Senators — Arlen Specter, Olympia Snow, and Susan Collins — could have voted for more time for debate. It was only with all three of their votes that the Democrats were able to reach the exact 60 votes they needed Friday to pass the bill. If any one of these three senators had asked for more time to read the bill and allow others to analyze it, they would have gotten it.

Not only did the final “stimulus” bill have major changes from what had been voted on previously by the House and Senate, but the amount of money involved is staggering. With 90 million tax filers who actually pay taxes, the $787 billion means the average taxpayer will pay over $8,700.

By itself, adding $8,700 to the average tax bill should get everyone’s attention. But that is on top of everything else that we are spending this year. With the stimulus bill, the $700 billion financial bailout (half spent by Bush and half by Obama), and the bailout for the auto companies, this year’s deficit is already at about$1.7 trillion — almost $19,000 per taxpayer. With more possible bailouts for the auto industry and others, that total might rise further.

But the stimulus won’t just raise government expenditures for the next two years. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that from 2010 to 2019 government expenditures for just 20 provisions will increase by almost $2.4 trillion. Assuming a 4.5 percent interest rate, that is the equivalent of about $1.9 trillion today. Adding that to the previous total brings the total to about $40,000 owed per taxpayer.

But that is not all the money that taxpayers are going to be on the hook for. Last week, the Obama administration promised another $2 trillion for the financial bailout. The decisions that we are making just this year are adding up to $5.6 trillion — $62,200 per taxpayer. Just to let this sink in — the amount of money that the government is committing to spend this year is equivalent to the average taxpayer just writing the government a check today for $62,200.

Each one of these expenditures are getting pushed through quickly, but it is all adding up. People have to weigh this against benefits such as the $400 per person tax credit that those who make less than $75,000 per year are going to get under the stimulus.

And that is not the end of the costs that we will face this year. From even more health care reforms to environmental regulation and global warming to even more money for autos and other companies, the bills are going to get bigger. Some costs will temporarily be hidden through borrowing, but others will mean higher immediate taxes and higher product prices.

But the average taxpayer faces a simple question: are they getting $62,200 worth of benefits from all these government expenditures this year? If so, they are going to be poorer. My guess is that most of us are going to be a lot poorer.


John R. Lott, Jr. is the author of “Freedomnomics” and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.