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So what? JFKs father thought Hitler was a great man. sm

Posted By: OMG on 2005-07-20
In Reply to: Bush's grandfather - gt

So did Charles Lindberg.  This doesn't MEAN anything.  You are really going off the deep deep end.


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The Nazis and Adolf Hitler are commonly thought of as representing the antithesis of Christianity an
America and Britain will rewrite history to suit themselves.......Just like Ws history will be rewritten to hide the fact that he was a major disaster for this country.
I saw it too and thought she did great!
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I thought he was great
He made me laugh and made me think. I did not find his comments hurtful in any way, shape, or form. If you found them hurtful, maybe that is because there was a bit of truth in them...
I love him and thought he was great!
I also thought the Bush impersonator was fantastic, as well.  I saw him on Meet the Press Sunday and couldn't believe what he really looked like without 2-1/2 hours of makeup.
Agreed. I thought she did great
Not to mention she pointed out all the false statements Biden made and he just stood there with that simpy smirk on his face. He reminds me of a used car salesman, and not a very good one at that!
I thought it was a great debate
There was a time when I enjoyed coming to this forum and reading/commenting on the views of all who take the time to post their various thoughts and opinions, but NEVER AGAIN...I am so digusted by the racist/bigoted remarks that are posted here, such as the reference to Michelle Obama ("babymama") - is that REALLY necessary??
Well, I thought for sure it was the great and powerful "O."
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No flames. I thought it was a great article. nm
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I thought it was a great debate. I would rather vote for a
Biden-Palin ticket or a Palin-Biden ticket any day before I would ever vote for Osmabama and his anti-American babymama.
The book is titled "Dreams From My Father" not "Dreams of My Father."
The propaganda sent out and posted here yesterday with blatantly false and out-of-context racist quotes ignorantly referred to the book as "Dreams of My Father." Although you have repeated over and over and over again that Obama is a socialist, it was one of your cronies, ms, who stated that "Obama is a socialist and probably a closet communist, masquerading as the most liberal democrat in the senate."
Great post, great insight, great analysis, thanks!..nm
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what about a father's right?
Just curious if anybody even considers the father's rights?
If your father-in-law s/m

is making GROSS $250,000 from his business, he is definitely not wealthy in my book.  On the other hand if his taxable income is $250,000 I see nothing wrong with him paying more taxes than someone with a taxable income of say $40,000. 


I do not believe that Obama is going to tax the rich to give to the poor.  I have not heard that a single time from his MOUTH.  IF and I say IF, he is successful, your father-in-law would most likely get a reduction in taxes.  This thing of Obama the modern day Robin Hood is so far out in left field it doesn't even deserve serious consideration.  People seem to believe McCain whatever he says.


Father Jonathan Gets It

Culture: The Battleground for the American Soul



 


 


I don't know if anyone cares how I feel after Election Day. In case you do, here's the scoop; I'm happy, with some reservation.


I'm happy to live in a democracy where my vote counts, and no more than the next guy's. I'm happy to be able to trust government workers to tally the ballots. I'm happy there are winners and losers, and happy to hear concession speeches peppered with “I'll be back” and “Don't lose hope.” Yes, today I'm happy — I'm very happy to be an American.


My reservation is deeply seeded. My concern has little to do with partisan politics, with house or Senate control. I could care less about red or blue or right or left. And for goodness sake, I'm rather indifferent to the emotional pull of a clunky elephant or a rickety donkey.


Having followed the major issues and the hottest campaigns of this midterm election, I'm concerned that Americans — on both sides of the aisle — are losing the ability to know what they are fighting for, and why it matters. I'm concerned we are losing the battle for the American soul.


“A Battle for the American Soul?” To some, the phrase itself may sound like simplistic punditry — mouth-candy, cliché, and passé, altogether juvenile.


If I didn't live in Europe, I might agree. But a few years on this side of the Atlantic, combined with regular glances back at the history books, I am convinced America has possessed and still possesses a unique, positive and powerful soul, carried in the hearts of her citizens. In this century alone, it has saved the world more than once.


I am also convinced that now, as never before, the American soul is the target of heavy and deadly fire. The sharpshooters, this time, come primarily from within.


Sordid politics can't take the full blame for our predicament. The real battleground for the American soul is CULTURE.


The word is not easy to define. I think it is a nation's portfolio of values — her priorities, ethics, conceptions, and traditions. It is the common philosophy of life, a mindset, and mentality, a way of judging, acting, and reacting. Culture, we can say, creates in us a collective understanding of who we are and what we are about.


While culture is bigger than politics, in a representative democracy like ours, the quality of politics is a cultural bellwether, a group bill of health. From the sight of all things political these days, I would say our culture is sick.


Some have said the outcome of this election was all about Iraq. I don't think it is so simple. Large numbers of Republicans have proven themselves untrustworthy in character and policy. In their tenure as majority leaders in Congress, they have done some good things, but they have vacillated in their stated priorities. They have failed to push forward the confirmation of important judgeships, truncated integral immigration reform, and most recently, were weak on social ballot initiatives like the Missouri stem cell research amendment and mandatory parental consent for minors seeking abortions.


The deeper problem is not policy. It is the superficial nature of political discourse. Republicans have set themselves up as the pro-life, pro-family party, and its platform promises to protect both. But much like the Democrats, its members have been unconvincing in explaining why they believe what they do. When is the last time you have heard a politician explain why life is precious, and why it is sacred? When is the last time you heard a politician give a discourse on the origin and foundation of human rights? When have you heard a Congressman or Senator lay out a reasoned explanation of a just war, given the new type of unconventional enemies?


This dumbing-down of politics is both a consequence and cause of cultural decline.


Democrats are now in the spotlight and we are watching. On Wednesday, new House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi pointed to a painting behind her, hanging on the wall of the Library of Congress. She signaled a figure burning a scroll of learning and trampling on the Bible. The title of the painting was “Corrupt Government.” She explained:


“It is a harsh image to see a Bible underfoot, but it makes a powerful point: corrupt government undermines our values. We come here today to support those values, and to lay out an agenda for a new era of honest, open, and transparent government.”


It would seem Nancy Pelosi is saying the values of America can be found in the Bible. I am impressed. Maybe she knows America was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs and plans on entering the battle to save the American soul. To do this, she will have to hold Democratic policy up to that very high standard. I'm not holding my breath.


If there is one thing to remember, it is this: culture, not politics alone, determines our national identity, and building culture is the responsibility of us all. We can do it in our homes, schools, and places of work, even as politicians fumble around on Capitol Hill. If you need a guidebook, ask Nancy Pelosi. She just might point to the Bible.


God bless, Father Jonathan


I love Father Jonanthan, but I don't believe Nancy Pelosi is going to be pointing anyone toward the Bible, because she would have to throw the Democratic party platform right out the window wtith the other hand.  But, I believe the Bible is the guidebook.   And, in God's own words, (paraphrasing), Let ye who are called by my name turn from your sin and pray, I will hear from Heaven, forgive you and heal your land.  Ye who are called by my name, I believe that to be Christians.  Let it start with me, then, because I love my country and the principles she was founded on, and I would love to see her restored. God bless!


Ok here is a better example...my father is Christian
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Well his father's methods must be used in just about
every sort of rally, sporting event, etc. known then. Did anyone actually read it? Am I the only 1 who doesn't understand how gathering a large group of people, who all support the same thing, having them cheer for it, etc. has anything to do with communism? Please explain.
Father died at age 70 nm
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No, how about Father Phleger! LOL
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His father lived with him...
And he felt different feelings than just wanting a male friend.  He struggled with it from age 8 to 16 and finally came out.  He is 19 years old and openly gay now and was a VIRGIN by the way the last I heard, yep he has relationships with guys with no "sodomizing" involved, amazing huh, that it can be about something other than sex.  God forbid it just be that he actually has FEELINGS for the same sex.
Hitler
WOW.  Im sure if I looked up google, I could find millions of posts about the real reason Hitler wanted to exterminate the jews.  I cant believe you think it is because they were communist or socialist.  Flash..Flash..The jews were not socialist or communist..albeit, I cannot speak for all, but as a people, as an ethnic group being exterminated by Hitler, it was because they controlled much in germany and instead of Hitler taking the blame for no jobs and poverty, he blamed the jews and gypsies. 
Yep. Welcome the new Hitler.
The Lord is coming. BETTER BE READY. Also been getting ready for the big earthquake in my state and no, it is not California. Posted on the news and having earthquake awareness this month. Supposed to be a 9 and should last around 10 minutes with 60 feet tidal wave hitting the whole Northwest.
SO WHAT. My father is an alcoholic, doesn't
looking for reasons to hate someone. IT's sad. Grow up.
obama was abandoned by his father

yet he worked through his adolescent problems and worked his way to first black president of the Harvard Law Review.  What an extraordinary man.


 


cnn - palin's father and sister

to speak about her.  Why won't she be interviewed?  What are the repubs hiding by keeping her in a cocoon? 


 


A Letter to My Republican Father...sm

Here is a link to "A Letter to My Republican Father" that I came across yesterday.  I think it makes some awfully good points about John McCain.  It may be helpful for anyone who is undecided about him: 


http://web.me.com/davidvwhite/Site/Welcome.html


 


Hubby's father told him we would

see a depression in our lifetime that would be 10 times worse than the great depression. This was back in the ླྀs. My husband always hung on to that statement and believes this is it. It's coming and there is nothing that will stop it. That's why we have been buying extra canned and dried goods when possible. We always made sausage and smoked a lot of pork but of course, we can't have animals here because of zoning, so we buy from a local farmer.


I know how to make bread and butter and have plenty of flour stored, but butter is going to be another issue since we don't have a cow and the last dairy farmer went out of business 10 years ago.


 


His father was a Kenyan citizen. We all know that. What is ...sm
your point. He was not adopted by his Kenyan father. The point is that his mother was an American citizen. It doesn't matter where he was born. What is it that you don't understand about that? Mexicans and Canadians, as well as students and others from many other foreign citizens give birth every year and their children are American citizens. If what you say is true, and I do not believe it for a minute, why would you think that an American citizen giving birth in a foreign country would not automatically convey citizenship onto her baby? Get real. This is not what the constitution intends. This is just a diversionary tactic by desperate people.
My father worked in a factory

for 30 years at GM.  He was a salvage worker so he wasn't one of those guys who sat on his butt all day long making a ridiculous amount of money.  My dad retired in his 60s because his health didn't allow him to continue working or he would have.  I know how unions work and how they "protect" the employees.  I've also seen the proven statistics about how non-union states are more production and have higher job growth and as far as protecting your job.....no ones job is protected especially nowadays.  People are getting fired left and right so where is the protection.  What good was that auto bailout when all that money pretty much went to pay off the unions.  Unions are nothing but democratic pushed BS. 


Here is a tad bit on unions:


 


The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and industries they control. The essential goal of the unions is to compel the payment of higher wages for the performance of less work and less productive work. Unions are notorious for their hostility to labor saving machinery and to any form of competition among workers, for featherbedding practices, indeed, for “making work” by deliberately and arbitrarily increasing the number of workers required to accomplish a given task and sometimes even by compelling the disassembly or destruction of products already produced.


It should be no wonder that the percentage of the labor force controlled by unions tends progressively to decline. Where the unions hold sway, companies cannot compete. Their market share falls and they ultimately go bankrupt. The only way that unions can maintain any given share of the labor force is by finding new victims to replace the ones they have sucked dry. The finding of new victims, by means of new government intervention is the unstated agenda of  Mr. Stern, Ms. Milkman, and The New York Times.


The actual effects of labor unions are arbitrary inequalities in wage rates, mass unemployment, and substantially lower real wages for the average worker. Labor unions are aptly described as a leading vehicle of what von Mises called “destructionism.”


Whenever a union succeeds in obtaining above market wage rates for its members, it also reduces  the number of workers who can be employed in its field. This is because of the operation of one of the best established principles of economics: Namely, the higher the price of anything, including the wage of any kind of labor, the smaller is the quantity demanded of that good or labor service.


Thus, workers who could have been employed in the lines controlled by labor unions are instead displaced and forced to seek work elsewhere. The added competition of these workers in other lines then serves either to depress wage rates in those other lines, thereby resulting in an arbitrary, union-imposed inequality in wage rates, or, if those other lines are also unionized or are forced to pay union wages in order to avoid becoming unionized (which is often the case), to cause still other workers to be displaced. It should be clear that to the extent that the effect of union activity is to depress wage rates in other fields, the union slogan “Live Better, Work Union” turns out to mean “Live Better by Forcing Other Workers to Live Worse.”


If wage rates in all lines of work are forced above the free-market level either because labor unions are able to impose their wage scales everywhere, or because upward union pressure on wage rates is joined by minimum-wage legislation, the effect is mass unemployment. In this case, there is simply no branch of the economic system that is allowed to pay wage rates low enough to make possible the absorption of workers displaced from elsewhere by the imposition of union wages. The result is the kind of situation presently existing in France and Germany, where unemployment is in excess of ten percent. And, of course, the cost of supporting the masses of unemployed falls mainly on the workers who manage to keep their jobs. Here higher taxes are their reward for “working union.”


 


For the full article:  http://mises.org/story/1861


If you know who the father is - you need his permission for adoption also -
I don't think I would want to go to the man who raped me and say I want to give our child up, is that okay with you? I don't think when he says no, I will raise this child that I would want to turn over a child to that man to raise... and that is what would happen!

Would you want to take a child to prison to see his "daddy" for visitation because the court ordered it? Would you want to have to deal with him about child support?

I don't think so...

and just because the child was conceived in rape, believe me, as messed up as our court systems are, they would give that man visitation and the poor woman he had victimized would be victimized again and again and again!
Hitler backer
Well, if we are gonna get into Hilter talking..George W. Bush's relatives in the past helped finance WWII for Hitler..
Hitler vs Saddam
I remember the stories as a young girl about Saddam throwing babies up in the air and shoting them as they fall. This was during Bush Sr.'s term. There is no doubt in my mind that he was tyrannical and murderous, but from what I understand the mass murderings, chemical genocide in Iraq happened in the 80's and early 90's. The threat of the Gulf War and UN sanctioning (and I know if it's failures)had pretty much tight gripped the dictator. There was no immediate humanitarian need for action in 2003 I'm aware of.

Hitler had a well publicized plan and factory like set up to eliminate the Jews. There was an immediate need to stop him.
Yep, made me think of Hitler too.

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HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN.....

The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." The phrase "separation of church and state" which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. It has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.


Wikipedia - Separation of Church and State United States


http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm


LOL Hitler...let me ammend what I said

I do believe some people would vote for satan if he ran as a Republican.


What about Adolf Hitler or any of the other
in the past?  If God allowed those, then why didn't they fulfill the prophecies?
Hitler was a Christian
Anyone, of any faith can be a threat, but it is much easier to pick on the black man and say he is a muslim to hope to get votes to your side. Makes me ill!
characteristics of Hitler.
my 2 grandmas who are in their 90's.  Better adapt to the new change coming. 
*Evil* is also Hitler....(sm)
you should do a comparison between Hitler and Bush.  Just Google it.
So, was Hitler righteous then? sm

Unfortunately, the reality is that the good guys don't always win.


What? Sounds like Hitler
What is he going to do? Maybe I really do not want to know. How demanding he is. Most of you all wanted change and boy are you going to get it.
The father of the Marine daughter also said the same thing. sm
I guess they are all just misguided and brainwashed.  In fact, a lot of the military is saying this. But it doesn't shut people up, does it. Didn't in Vietnam either.  Well, freedom of speech works both ways.  But the left never seems to get that either.
Well, since by your own admission Obama was abandoned by his father....
and was raised by a single mother...but somehow that makes her a hero and these other women not so much?

Double standard lately???
My father in the 40s and 50s (not so long ago in the scope of things) sm
Was a white child growing up with no mother and an alcoholic father. A black woman who lived nearby with her own children used to let him come and eat with them. If not, he would not have survived. As he grew up, he didn't see race as a boundary...he had many friends both black and white. He loved to dance and in those days there were "black" dance halls and "white" dance halls. He liked the music and dancing better in the "black" dance halls and loved to go there and dance with his friends. The KKK came to our house one day in the late 60s and stomped my father while wearing golf cleats all over his body. We have come soooo far since then, but there are still people who bear the scars of those days. I think for the majority, prejudice is dying off. We are realizing how utterly ridiculous it is to judge someone by their skin color, blue, purple or orange. But I do agree there are still some who are hurt and cannot trust. The only racists or bigots I see these days are very uneducated and unintelligent people. I hope and pray we can all just get along and that no one hurts anyone else over all of this. My 11-year-old son said to me months ago, before Obama was even nominated, that he was afraid if Obama was elected someone would try to assassinate him, and that the same thing might even happen if Hillary was elected. My 11-year-old child could see that with his own eyes, even before I saw for myself the hatred that some people have. God help us protect whichever candidate wins, because there will be enemies either way.
And Obama calls this man his political father, his
who got him interested in politics. Why is that? You can believe there isn't racism there if you want, but I can't put my head in the sand.
His Indonesian father adopted him who lived ONLY
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In this case, when the father is a rapist, EVERYTHING IS WRONG..
one has to be honest and disclose to the adoptive parents that the father is a rapist! Wow!
Or are you going to keep this a secret?
no, majority was INTIMIDATED by Hitler.

You compare Obama to Hitler but you...
are speaking all the German.  Good grief!
Sorry, I do not agree to a Hitler style
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That congressman is comparing him to Hitler
I can't remember his name, but I saw it on Fox News. All he's doing is getting everybody in an uproar and scaring them. I think that's why people are posting this now.

Let be what is, everybody, and just have a sit-and-wait approach. It's much less stressful! :)
people praised Hitler

People praise Obama.  That's all you got?  Sticks and stones,babycakes, sticks and stones.