His Indonesian father adopted him who lived ONLY
Posted By: in Kenya on 2008-10-24
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His father was a Kenyan. His mother married an Indonesian man who adopted him. However, no one...s
no matter who adopts you, gives up their US citizenship. Only that person at age 21 can do that. Obama had the choice at 21 to adopt Indonesion or Kenyan citizenship, but he chose to remain an American citizen.
He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather
therefore he is a citizen of Indonesia. Once he was adopted into another country, he cannot claim US citizenship even if he was born here. He would then have to go through immigration process to apply for US citizenship, which he has not done.
His father lived with him...
And he felt different feelings than just wanting a male friend. He struggled with it from age 8 to 16 and finally came out. He is 19 years old and openly gay now and was a VIRGIN by the way the last I heard, yep he has relationships with guys with no "sodomizing" involved, amazing huh, that it can be about something other than sex. God forbid it just be that he actually has FEELINGS for the same sex.
Correction, that should be Indonesian man by
Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen.
The book is titled "Dreams From My Father" not "Dreams of My Father."
The propaganda sent out and posted here yesterday with blatantly false and out-of-context racist quotes ignorantly referred to the book as "Dreams of My Father." Although you have repeated over and over and over again that Obama is a socialist, it was one of your cronies, ms, who stated that "Obama is a socialist and probably a closet communist, masquerading as the most liberal democrat in the senate."
His mother remarried an Indonesian man
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What the Indonesian govt requires for adoption, citizenship, religious affiliation
anything else is of NO CONCERN to the US govt when it comes to recognizing or preserving citizenship status of a natural born US citizen. Check the constitution. Check the State Department website. Check the immigration law statutes and stop making a complete idjit of yourself. You have been hanging in the fringe chat rooms too long. His citizenship was not renounced. I am sure his parents jumped through whatever hoops they needed to in order to live in the country and enroll their child in school, much the same way my own daughter is doing with her child while living in a Moslem country in the Middle East. They hold passports from there AND American passports and do not have to immigrate back to the country of their origin. The US govt turns a blind eye to this and preserves the integrity of its natural born folks. My God, you are a dense one, aren't you?
Especially now that GW, JM have adopted
fos
Adopted
no doubt...
I think Mike was adopted. LOL
God bless you too!
Once he was adopted into another country he
don't you keep up with anything other than what you want to believe?
Once you are adopted into another country
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Not once he was adopted into the country
His father was a Muslim Indonesian who adopted him. His mother's name is on the adoption papers, agreeing to this adoption. Under US law, once you are adopted into another country, you are no longer a US citizen without going through Immigration just like anyone else applying for citizenship into this country.
No wait, don't tell me -- you think if a kid is adopted,
BTW - I know a gay couple (women) who had children, and they're legally both women's children. How did they do it? Donor sperm, one woman donated the egg, and the other woman was inseminated, carried the pregnancy, and gave birth. So there is both a birth-mother AND a biological mother.
How many unwanted babies have you adopted, sam? (nm)
???
Obama is an adopted child of a Kenyan man
not have US citizenship once he was adopted. You need to go work on that one. Only way he could be a US citizen after that is going through the immigration dept process again, applying for citizenship, of which they ALSO do not have any papers on that.
Stepfather adopted him as Muslim and he was signed up
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She adopted a child while stealing drugs for her addiction.
If she was poor the state would have seized her kids. It's not the rich and special treatment that is so upsetting. It's the fact he is the one making these rules while his wife is an addict.
I have lived through this,
3 times. First the communists were coming to get us. We had to fight communism everywhere because they were going to take us all and make us reds. They could be here at any time. I remember safe shelter signs on buildings and personal bomb shelters and dictators claiming they would kill all our grandchildren. Nothing much happened. The second was Vietnam. Same thing, different year. We had to protect the world from communism again. We needed to fight them over there instead of over here.They were going to be on the beaches of California in a New York minute if we did not see this thing through. We got the same deal in 73 that we had on the table in 69 but because of arrogance, hubris, fear of the word failure, about 28,000 more soldiers died during that 4-year stint. We did not get anything more for the time, they died and nothing happened. Now its the terrorists. They can have a nuclear weapon here in 45 minutes. Saddam was in on 9/11. Blah, blah, blah. Conservatives have condemned this. I would hardly call Baker a liberal. Generals, people who actually know something about the geopolitics of the area, real Arab people, scholars, think its over and a done deal. I am not alone in this and you cannot blame the liberals for it either. The decider-in-chief apparently does not listen to anyone, especially not those of us on the left. I have been surprised he does not listen to those on his side. I still believe it was a mistake from the get go and I think we should leave yesterday.
About the crusades. Perhaps because you were not raised Catholic (assumption) you do not know how the crusades have been USED to justify, rationalize or discredit Catholics and those very same crusaders, fact or no. The crusades have been USED as a great Catholic basher for years. We heard it a lot then, still do.
I really don't know why you come to the liberal board and say the things you do. My head is not in the sand. I know all the facts you do about the **islamofacists** (one of the silliest words I think I have ever heard). I see things differently and your belittling me will not change anything ever.
Obama has lived an
exlemplary moral life. Only dirt anyone can sling is about other people whose paths he has crossed. Whoopie. John McCain an old, worn out horn dog who wants to be seen as a happily married church goer.
I have lived in different places and I have never...
experienced that kind of wait times. But I suppose there are all sorts of different experiences. What I do know is that research, great medical schools, etc., become nonexistent. We train most of the world's doctors here now. That will change under socialized medicine. Quality of care will go down. And if you don't pay for it in a premium you will pay for it in taxes. Obama cannot tax the "rich" enough to pay for it all. It is just not possible. And if he keeps taxing them, more jobs are going overseas, more businesses going overseas...if health care is so great other places, why do people come HERE for the "best" care? Oh well...there is no use beating my head against a brick wall. You will not know what I am talking about until you are in it...unfortunately for all of us...it will then be too late.
Sorry about Scottsdale, I have lived
and sorry if I offended you. My family still live in Scottsdale and Cave Creek. My dad lives in Troon North. We used to live at 64th and Thunderbird Road and the last 12 years lived near Desert Ridge/Mayo Hospital. Thank goodness we moved away. We had enough of the change, heat, and the people. Compared to where we live now, it is sooo much more nicer here and people much more friendly and courteous. Tired of trying to keep up with the Jones in Arizona. I liked Arizona 20 years ago, but now you can have it.
Sorry, I lived there for 28 years.
call it Snotsdale. Out of habit. By the way, you know the Kierland Commons where the Cheesecake Factory is? Scottsdale Road and Greenway Road. There is the hotel there, homes, and golf course. Well that is where the Scottsdale Dump used to be. Years ago, it was a desert and no one at Horizon High School would dare drive in that desert area or party out in the desert because of fear of toxic waste and now they built expensive homes, apartments, restaurants, shops and a golf course on the old Scottsdale Dump.
You must have lived in Atlanta in the 30s
because I live inside the perimeter and never, ever have I seen such as you talk about. Back when MLK was killed, waited in line like everyone else- no one got out of line to let me go first. Why do you tell such things when it is not true at all. The people here live and work alongside each other and thank goodness we have really been spared much of what has gone on in years past in other towns. Remember our motto- the city too busy to hate?
Actually, I lived in Augusta
But visiting Atlanta in 2006 and witnessed this.
Yes I do believe someone lived 800 years
Humans were not intended to die. Don't you get that? When God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they were not meant to die. Sin is the reason we die. Sin corrupted the earth, and the people in it. That is where we get disease, famine, sickness, etc etc.
I don't have time to find the verses right now but either further in Genesis or one of the other first few books it talks about God shortening the life span because humans became corrupted and evil.
Evolution is just a theory. It has NEVER been proven.
You find it more reasonable to believe that we came from muck and a lightening bolt rather than that our Almighty God created us?
Do me a favor. Find an object in your house and smash it to a million pieces. Your remote for example. Now put it in a bag and shake it for a few minutes. Dump it out. Do you have a remote? No. You still have a bunch of junk. That's because someone had to CREATE that remote.
Evolution tells us that a bunch of rocks bounced around together, something exploded, and BAM there was life! Have you ever seen an explosion CREATE something?
And it does seem that all you want to do is prove that Christianity is a lie, since you would not discuss any further after someone gave you a reasonable answer:
"No, I will not discuss it further, not on this board and not on the Faith board.
The discussion stops right here."
So obviously you weren't concerned about having a conversation, you just wanted to state your opinions without any reasonable discussion.
Also, if we evolved from evolution, how did the first creature reproduce?
When I lived in town
I lived across the street from the girl scout leader that I mentioned. Do you think I was inconvenienced by the amount of vehicles there EVERY WEEK? You bet. Did the police come by and stop the little girls from meeting? No. And they never will, because no one feels threatened by the girl scouts.
I can't believe you are so vehemently denying what this is. You know dang well that if it was any other "not-for-profit" group, they would be left alone. For now.
You are saying along the same lines that if your daughter wanted to have a study group every week at her home with fifteen of her friends that you would go out and get a license for her to do so?
Have you ever lived in police state?
Because if you had you'd definitely be able to see the VAST difference between a police state and the American state.
Also, your one-world government theory about the Bush's doesn't sync with your view that Bush is alienating the rest of the world, but I guess you think because Bush wants democracy for the world he somehow is planning to take over the world.
Wow, you are very steeped in conspiracy theory I'll give you that.
I actually saw a leprechaun when I lived in Ireland.
I was on the moors about 10 kilometres from Kilkenny, and there he was, at the opening of a burrow next to a large stone. He was only there for a wee bit of time, and then he vanished into the bracken.
I lived in Israel for many years
and what has happened has more to do with the upcoming election in Israel than with the US. Check it out.
You lived in a town of 5000 people
know who you dated? Or did you just think they didn't know? LOL
My hand's up. I've lived in Palestine.
Not Israel, Palestine. I first arrived in the region September 29, 1982 in Madaya, a village near the border of Syria and Lebanon. You may recall that was 16 days after the Sabra and Shatila Massacre. My husband was involved in the humanitarian aid efforts there.
In case you do not recall, let me remind you. In accordance with an internationally brokered peace deal, Palestinians had surrendered their weapons and were deported from Beirut, leaving their families under the protection of a peace keeping force. The Israeli army invaded Beirut, violating the peace treaty, and some 3000 defenseless Palestinian women and children were rounded up in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila and were systematically murdered in cold blood. Israel killed more than 30,000 civilians in Beirut in the 1982 invasion and a half million people were driven from their homes.
Tens of thousands of them landed in Madaya. I was there with my husband for 19 months and watched as they administered the programs to relocate those refugees. During that time, we traveled to Nablus, Ramallah and Rafah and spent about 3 months in each place.
So, no, this is not about being PC. Bleeding heart? YOU BET. FYI, I still lose sleep over what I saw there.
You must be very proud to have roots in the land where the rivers run red with the blood of Palestine.
Dubai is lovely. I lived there. I have no idea what you are talking about! sm
When were you there? It had to have been a long long time ago because you are not describing the Dubai I know!
My apology,..didn't realize you lived in Sweden...nm
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I read on the link I posted that he lived in the building -
it said he lived there and had every right to be there. I am not sure where it is.
Then Again, how many would have lived and suffered atrocities if Hitler's mom had had an abortion
I am not trying to be flip or funny here, because it is not, but I do not think we can use that particular logic...just say that ALL life is precious, whether a baby grows up to be Einstein, Ghandi, or Charles Manson, it either must ALL be in God's hands because He is Creator of All, or there is no logic. Just wonder how everyone feels about the ultimate sanctity of life when it comes to capital punishment....
Don't get me wrong, I amy be a Democrate, but I am moderate and I DO believe, in instances such as the rape/murder/brulity of children, serial killers, etc, that putting a monster like this to sleep, as you would a rabid animal who will kill and destroy otherwise, is the best thing we can do for our sick society, not perfectly okay, but the best that can be done to protect others. But whenever I see this particular reason NOT to abort, it makes it sound as though if a child were retarded or slow, or even a sociopath (not a psychopath), it would be okay, PLAYING GOD IS PLAYING GOD in either case. IMHO
Adam lived ,after he produced Seth , for 800 years? What's that supposed to mean?
I am not bashing ANYBODY and ANYTHING, I just only expect the Bible to say the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH and not being a FAIRY TALE.
Isn't it all about creation theory versus evolution theory?
The evolution theory explains in a very believable way all of God's miracles as natural happenings.
Even your answer to my question: 'Whom did Cain marry and produce children with?' takes the explanation and defence from the evolution theory, I quote your explanation:
..' and yes. Cain married and reproduced with one of his sisters. At that time, incest would not have been an issue, as DNA and blood was pure, and the risk of disease and complications or birth defects was zero.'
This is the justification by the evolution theory. What about the creation theory? Brother sleeping with sister?
I want to emphasize that it was YOU who started with the bashing in this your post:
'But it sounds to me like you are just one of those that just wants to bash, with no real search for the truth at all, so thanks for not wasting anymore of my time.
And yeah, Christians can be snippy too, sometimes.'
(BTW, I filled in some commas).
I cannot believe this. It seems that YOU are the intolerant one.
You also believe that somebody can live 8OO years?!?
I am Roman Catholic and I believe in God.
Adam lived ,after he produced Seth , for 800 years? What's that supposed to mean?
I am not bashing ANYBODY and ANYTHING, I just only expect the Bible to say the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH and not being a FAIRY TALE.
Isn't it all about creation theory versus evolution theory?
The evolution theory explains in a very believable way all of God's miracles as natural happenings.
Even your answer to my question: 'Whom did Cain marry and produce children with?' takes the explanation and defence from the evolution theory, I quote your explanation:
..' and yes. Cain married and reproduced with one of his sisters. At that time, incest would not have been an issue, as DNA and blood was pure, and the risk of disease and complications or birth defects was zero.'
This is the justification by the evolution theory. What about the creation theory? Brother sleeping with sister?
I want to emphasize that it was YOU who started with the bashing in this your post:
'But it sounds to me like you are just one of those that just wants to bash, with no real search for the truth at all, so thanks for not wasting anymore of my time.
And yeah, Christians can be snippy too, sometimes.'
(BTW, I filled in some commas).
I cannot believe this. It seems that YOU are the intolerant one.
You also believe that somebody can live 8OO years?!?
I am Roman Catholic and I believe in God.
Adam lived ,after he produced Seth , for 800 years? What's that supposed to mean?
I am not bashing ANYBODY and ANYTHING, I just only expect the Bible to say the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH and not being a FAIRY TALE.
Isn't it all about creation theory versus evolution theory?
The evolution theory explains in a very believable way all of God's miracles as natural happenings.
Even your answer to my question: 'Whom did Cain marry and produce children with?' takes the explanation and defence from the evolution theory, I quote your explanation:
..' and yes. Cain married and reproduced with one of his sisters. At that time, incest would not have been an issue, as DNA and blood was pure, and the risk of disease and complications or birth defects was zero.'
This is the justification by the evolution theory. What about the creation theory? Brother sleeping with sister?
I want to emphasize that it was YOU who started with the bashing in this your post:
'But it sounds to me like you are just one of those that just wants to bash, with no real search for the truth at all, so thanks for not wasting anymore of my time.
And yeah, Christians can be snippy too, sometimes.'
(BTW, I filled in some commas).
I cannot believe this. It seems that YOU are the intolerant one.
You also believe that somebody can live 8OO years?!?
I am Roman Catholic and I believe in God.
what about a father's right?
Just curious if anybody even considers the father's rights?
If your father-in-law s/m
is making GROSS $250,000 from his business, he is definitely not wealthy in my book. On the other hand if his taxable income is $250,000 I see nothing wrong with him paying more taxes than someone with a taxable income of say $40,000.
I do not believe that Obama is going to tax the rich to give to the poor. I have not heard that a single time from his MOUTH. IF and I say IF, he is successful, your father-in-law would most likely get a reduction in taxes. This thing of Obama the modern day Robin Hood is so far out in left field it doesn't even deserve serious consideration. People seem to believe McCain whatever he says.
Father Jonathan Gets It
Culture: The Battleground for the American Soul
by Father Jonathan Morris
I don't know if anyone cares how I feel after Election Day. In case you do, here's the scoop; I'm happy, with some reservation.
I'm happy to live in a democracy where my vote counts, and no more than the next guy's. I'm happy to be able to trust government workers to tally the ballots. I'm happy there are winners and losers, and happy to hear concession speeches peppered with “I'll be back” and “Don't lose hope.” Yes, today I'm happy — I'm very happy to be an American.
My reservation is deeply seeded. My concern has little to do with partisan politics, with house or Senate control. I could care less about red or blue or right or left. And for goodness sake, I'm rather indifferent to the emotional pull of a clunky elephant or a rickety donkey.
Having followed the major issues and the hottest campaigns of this midterm election, I'm concerned that Americans — on both sides of the aisle — are losing the ability to know what they are fighting for, and why it matters. I'm concerned we are losing the battle for the American soul.
“A Battle for the American Soul?” To some, the phrase itself may sound like simplistic punditry — mouth-candy, cliché, and passé, altogether juvenile.
If I didn't live in Europe, I might agree. But a few years on this side of the Atlantic, combined with regular glances back at the history books, I am convinced America has possessed and still possesses a unique, positive and powerful soul, carried in the hearts of her citizens. In this century alone, it has saved the world more than once.
I am also convinced that now, as never before, the American soul is the target of heavy and deadly fire. The sharpshooters, this time, come primarily from within.
Sordid politics can't take the full blame for our predicament. The real battleground for the American soul is CULTURE.
The word is not easy to define. I think it is a nation's portfolio of values — her priorities, ethics, conceptions, and traditions. It is the common philosophy of life, a mindset, and mentality, a way of judging, acting, and reacting. Culture, we can say, creates in us a collective understanding of who we are and what we are about.
While culture is bigger than politics, in a representative democracy like ours, the quality of politics is a cultural bellwether, a group bill of health. From the sight of all things political these days, I would say our culture is sick.
Some have said the outcome of this election was all about Iraq. I don't think it is so simple. Large numbers of Republicans have proven themselves untrustworthy in character and policy. In their tenure as majority leaders in Congress, they have done some good things, but they have vacillated in their stated priorities. They have failed to push forward the confirmation of important judgeships, truncated integral immigration reform, and most recently, were weak on social ballot initiatives like the Missouri stem cell research amendment and mandatory parental consent for minors seeking abortions.
The deeper problem is not policy. It is the superficial nature of political discourse. Republicans have set themselves up as the pro-life, pro-family party, and its platform promises to protect both. But much like the Democrats, its members have been unconvincing in explaining why they believe what they do. When is the last time you have heard a politician explain why life is precious, and why it is sacred? When is the last time you heard a politician give a discourse on the origin and foundation of human rights? When have you heard a Congressman or Senator lay out a reasoned explanation of a just war, given the new type of unconventional enemies?
This dumbing-down of politics is both a consequence and cause of cultural decline.
Democrats are now in the spotlight and we are watching. On Wednesday, new House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi pointed to a painting behind her, hanging on the wall of the Library of Congress. She signaled a figure burning a scroll of learning and trampling on the Bible. The title of the painting was “Corrupt Government.” She explained:
“It is a harsh image to see a Bible underfoot, but it makes a powerful point: corrupt government undermines our values. We come here today to support those values, and to lay out an agenda for a new era of honest, open, and transparent government.”
It would seem Nancy Pelosi is saying the values of America can be found in the Bible. I am impressed. Maybe she knows America was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs and plans on entering the battle to save the American soul. To do this, she will have to hold Democratic policy up to that very high standard. I'm not holding my breath.
If there is one thing to remember, it is this: culture, not politics alone, determines our national identity, and building culture is the responsibility of us all. We can do it in our homes, schools, and places of work, even as politicians fumble around on Capitol Hill. If you need a guidebook, ask Nancy Pelosi. She just might point to the Bible.
God bless, Father Jonathan
I love Father Jonanthan, but I don't believe Nancy Pelosi is going to be pointing anyone toward the Bible, because she would have to throw the Democratic party platform right out the window wtith the other hand. But, I believe the Bible is the guidebook. And, in God's own words, (paraphrasing), Let ye who are called by my name turn from your sin and pray, I will hear from Heaven, forgive you and heal your land. Ye who are called by my name, I believe that to be Christians. Let it start with me, then, because I love my country and the principles she was founded on, and I would love to see her restored. God bless!
Ok here is a better example...my father is Christian
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Well his father's methods must be used in just about
every sort of rally, sporting event, etc. known then. Did anyone actually read it? Am I the only 1 who doesn't understand how gathering a large group of people, who all support the same thing, having them cheer for it, etc. has anything to do with communism? Please explain.
Father died at age 70 nm
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No, how about Father Phleger! LOL
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SO WHAT. My father is an alcoholic, doesn't
looking for reasons to hate someone. IT's sad. Grow up.
obama was abandoned by his father
yet he worked through his adolescent problems and worked his way to first black president of the Harvard Law Review. What an extraordinary man.
cnn - palin's father and sister
to speak about her. Why won't she be interviewed? What are the repubs hiding by keeping her in a cocoon?
A Letter to My Republican Father...sm
Here is a link to "A Letter to My Republican Father" that I came across yesterday. I think it makes some awfully good points about John McCain. It may be helpful for anyone who is undecided about him:
http://web.me.com/davidvwhite/Site/Welcome.html
Hubby's father told him we would
see a depression in our lifetime that would be 10 times worse than the great depression. This was back in the ླྀs. My husband always hung on to that statement and believes this is it. It's coming and there is nothing that will stop it. That's why we have been buying extra canned and dried goods when possible. We always made sausage and smoked a lot of pork but of course, we can't have animals here because of zoning, so we buy from a local farmer.
I know how to make bread and butter and have plenty of flour stored, but butter is going to be another issue since we don't have a cow and the last dairy farmer went out of business 10 years ago.
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