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That's a great point.

Posted By: Marmann on 2009-02-23
In Reply to: Here is just an arcane though, if "partisanship" is being raled against on....sm - Cyndiee

I think this country is all mixed up because we have those who are to the left of Obama and to the right of him, as well.


Same thing as far as the GOP, and I believe they're even more splintered.


I think the biggest problem right now is the economy.  We seem to be in a situation where we're encountering something we've never seen before, so there's no "tried and true" method of fixing it.


In my retrospective opinion, I think we should have just let the banks fail and was upset when Bush decided to get involved with buying them.


Too much money involved, and definitely too much politics involved.  This renders almost the entire Congress meaningless and irrelevant because very few who walk those halls have a clue what real American life is.


(Sorry if this was written sloppily.  I know what I wanted to write, but I just can't find the words.  Not feeling so great today.  )




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You brought up a great point. (sm)

I agree, we MUST purchase these things under law or under terms of a mortgage agreement.


But the premiums we pay are in line with what we're insuring.  For example, we're not forced to pay the same premium for a two-bedroom home that a multimillionaire would pay for a 56-room mansion.  We're not forced to pay the same premium for a 1980 Chevy that a multimillionaire would pay for a Rolls Royce.


That distinction doesn't hold true with medical "insurance," and that's partly where the problem lies.


You brought up a great point. (sm)

I agree, we MUST purchase these things under law or under terms of a mortgage agreement.


But the premiums we pay are in line with what we're insuring.  For example, we're not forced to pay the same premium for a two-bedroom home that a multimillionaire would pay for a 56-room mansion.  We're not forced to pay the same premium for a 1980 Chevy that a multimillionaire would pay for a Rolls Royce.


That distinction doesn't hold true with medical "insurance," and that's partly where the problem lies.


You dont get her point? I do! Was a great post!
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Applauding! What a great post, to the point and well written.

I don't think some people realize the seriousness of the illegally invading a sovereign nation for what is truthfully nothing more than regime change, after being dishonest to the entire world about the true reasons for invading this country.


If/when it happens, they still won't get it.  And if/when more Americans are killed by terrorists because this president was too stubborn to care about America first and refused to implement most suggestions of the 9/11 Commission, the ones who survive the next terror attack will still be kneeling down and kissing his boots because they are preprogrammed to believe this man can do nothing wrong.


 


Great post, great insight, great analysis, thanks!..nm
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Great, great post. Thank you, Marmann! nm
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I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.

Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming my world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction. They are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say?
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.

Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming a world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not exactly have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction they employ in order to "secure" themselves.

The Palestinians are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say? This might just account for the lop-sided fatalities/injuries ratios between the Israelis and the Palestinians. In closing, it is worth noting that even with the advantage of all those terrorist toys and tools our tax dollars have bestowed upon them, security and peace of mind just seem to be further and further beyond their reach. Wonder why that is?
If your point is that it was 7 years ago, that's not much of a point is it? sm
Not long ago at all in the scope of things. The point is that the same thing could and probably would happen here. 9-11 happened 7 years ago too....I guess that couldn't happen again, huh?
I get your point, but my main point is -
why should the government be allowed to tell people what they can and can't eat? Everyone says the government is too involved in our business anyway, so if they should stay out of one part of our lives, they should stay out of all parts of our lives!
Sure is great
Yup, I love posting the truth about the white house monster.  Cant take it??  Well, I can remember some awful things the neocons said about President Clinton for eight years..What is good for the goose is good for the gander..
This is great!
Thanks for posting it.  I didn't see this one before.  I've only recently begun to watch his show and haven't been able to catch all of them. 
That's great! nm

This is great and I am going ...

to email this guy and tell him so.


http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning


These were great.
Thanks.  Too bad they're all true.
This was great!
Thanks for posting the link.  I liked it all but especially laughed at the terrorists loving Masterpiece Theater.  :-)
Yes, great. sm
She is speaking at an A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition meeting. You know about ANSWER, right?  About as anti-American as you can get.  Here's a little information.  Also, as Observor said, she is a racist and an antisemite.  Did you not see the video of her bodyguards, in her presence, race baiting Jews? 

Formed within three days of the September 11th attacks, and officially founded on September 14, 2001 by Ramsey Clark and members of the International Action Center, ANSWER was one of the first organizations formed to protest the policies of the Bush administration in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Its first major action was a September 29, 2001 Anti-War, Anti-Racist political rally and march in Washington, D.C., primarily in protest of the then-impending U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Subsequently the organization has organized rallies drawing crowds in the hundreds of thousands, including several with record-setting numbers of people. ANSWER characterizes itself as anti-imperialist, and its steering committee consists of socialists, Marxists, civil rights advocates, and left-wing progressive organizations from the Muslim, Arab, Palestinian, Filipino, Haitian, and Latin American communities. Many of ANSWER's leaders were members of Workers World Party (WWP) at the time of ANSWER's founding, and are current members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a Marxist-Leninist organization that formed in 2004.


we know what a great

in-the-nation's-best-interests job the courts did on the Gore (Nobel prize winner) and Bush (failure in absolutely all business ventures) decision. Clarence still seeking revenge on Anita Hill.  Plus don't forget the Supreme Court justice who just happens to enjoy duck hunting with Cheney.  The guy with a cloud over his head according to Fitzgerald in the Plame case.  Pile in on.


 


 


This was great

First time in a long time I watched the news and I was pretty amused tonight.  Subject was Barack's trip to Berlin and his speech.  Republican representative said that Obama shouldn't have done it because he's not the president.  They were asked well what about McCain when he went and gave a speech in Canada.  Their response was "Well that was different.  They are Canadians".  He also said it was okay for McCain to give speech to Canadians because Canada is in North America.


When questioned further it actually came out that they (republicans) were upset because the Berlin speech made Obama look good, while McCains biggest highlight of the week was giving in interview in the dairy isle of the grocery store.


They tried to say that Barack was giving a "policy" speech, and when corrected they made up some other lame excuse (that's when it came out that they were upset because having all those people gather for his speech in Berlin made him look good).


Just goes to show you how desperate the republicans are.  They had their chance to pick a better candidate than some old lame, senile guy, but this is who they chose.  Now they are just mad because McCain is looking more feeble, constantly whines, and is constantly mis-speaking and getting the facts wrong (and having to be corrected in public by those closest to him).  Someone said that if he would just stick to issues and not try and attack/belittle Obama every chance he got it might go a little different for him.


I just thought that was quite amusing for a change in the news.


Great! :) nm
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Great pic thanks
That's excellent. She sure knows her weapons. Goes to show she knows and supports Ammendment 2 of the constitution - Right to bear arm. You go girl Governor Palin. Would she now be considered the new Governator. :-)
He was great. Wish he had been more like that...
during the primaries. I like Fred.
That would be great but we all know that

some people can't see beyond their nose and some people don't have the ability to weigh the facts of what is written.


FYI, I have finally made up my mind through reading.


She was great. Try though he did, he...
couldn't trip her up and it was to his obvious great frustration. She did a better job than Obama did with O'Reilly. lol. At least she didn't say she had to figure out which faction. lol.
i just think it's great :)
that we'll have either our first black pres or first female vp. I don't know why obama only sides w/ his black side, and I don't know why you have a problem with me thinking that it's great that for once we are going to have some diversity. Sheesh
These are great
These are great strategies. I can certainly understand why he should be president. I can't wait too vote!!!!! (sorry, I just couldn't resist!!)
Jon is great. sm
His facial expressions alone make me laugh. I became a fan after watching him confront Tucker Carlson during an interview. If I find that clip, I will post it. It is not comedy, but Jon tells it like it is.
And just look at the great welcome
received after their service to our country...I'm sure Kendra is thinking of this and wondering how many people are going to feel this way towards her own hero! You hang in there Kendra, you do have a hero and God bless you, your husband and your child!
Ain't that the great

thing about America?  You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.


Religious beliefs aren't legislated in a society that claims to respect freedom of religion for all.  If a tourist or other person is murdered in the USA, of course that person is protected from the crime of murder, but reference was being made to the United States Constitution and the word "citizen" was used.  I was merely providing the definition of "citizen" as provided by the Constitution.


Again, the ultimate decision will be between a woman and her creator.  I'm willing to let God do his/her job.  Why aren't you?


This was great!
I'm still laughing!  Thanks for posting this.  It's nice to leave the computer with a smile on my face.  Hope you have a great day. 
What a great ad
Of course they wont run that.  What is wrong with it?  People have abortions every day, people vote so that it is legal, people protest for their right to do what they want with their body.  Given that, why cant we see a commercial about it?  My children have to watch Enzyte (spelling?) commercials and see sexual things on TV anytime they try to watch it.  So why not?  Because anything with an ounce of a moral behind it is exactly what most of society does not want to see. 
That would be great. (nm)
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LOL! That's great!!! (nm)

Great...
Just don't tell my grandkids or I'll have to tell them different. ;-)
That was great!
Of course, the right wing nuts on this board will have a field day, but I am glad to see all the holes poked in these ridiculous statements.

Thanks, JTBB!
I think it is great

that the President and his wife have a date night.  Taking time out for your marriage is very important especially with as busy as you know Obama has to be with everything going on.  I can't knock them for going out. 


However, people are losing jobs left and right, GM filed bankruptcy, Chrysler is in bankruptcy, people are losing homes, etc.  Our country is hurting and although I applaud their date night......they could have done it at little or no expense to the taxpayers.  Obama continues to state that this is a time we all must sacrifice and I have yet to see those in Washington sacrificing.  It is the taxpayers that continue to get screwed.


So take your wife out on a date, Mr. President......but pay for it yourself and save the taxpayers some money for once.....please!!!


I just think it's great that the
It's so hard to find your soulmate.  Out of all the crooked politicians in the world, these two met and fell in love.  Wow!  My faith in marriage is restored. 
great post
Im amazed at how much debate I have caused on both boards, LOL!  I have become *the* poster to be talked about, attacked, compared to.  Thank you for your refreshing post replying to IMHO a mean spirited obviously very troubled conservative poster.  This person has been on my case since day one, along with her two cohorts.  Frankly, from what I can see, they are just about the only ones who consistently post on the conservative board.  I guess others after a while get tired of the attack mode or just give up trying to debate logically and intelligently.  They say Im a lunatic and certifiable.  By reading their nasty posts, If anyone is certifiable, they are.  They say they are Christian.  Not like any Christian I have ever know.  The Christians I grew up with were nice, caring, accepting people.  Not judgmental hateful closed minded individuals.  I perused the conservative board this morning, just to see which republican they are admiring this morning or which democrat they are dogging and OMG, Im being posted about all over the board.  A few posted yesterday and right away they started asking were the posters gt!!  I cracked up laughing this morning.  No, I wasnt on their board posting.  I was in Mexico for the weekend and got back this morning..Gee, I generated this much attention and publicity by just posting on one little board in the vast expanse of the World Wide Web.  Amazing!  After reading their troubling posts, with all their attacks (one says she never attacks, yet one of her favorite words from what I have read is troll), I have decided not to read the conservative board any more.  I frankly dont need their negative energy..I feel sorry for all three of them.  They sound like they are angry bitter fools, clinging to a way and thought of life, so afraid frankly of anyone else with different and/or better ideas for this country.  Some people will never change and expand their consciousness as these three have proven to me.  This board I will continue to read and post from time to time, as it is a good open minded and accepting board and if the conservatives post an attack to me pertaining to this post, I will not read it nor respond. 
Great post
Thank you for this post..It was a good one.  :o)
Great article
Great article by Noonan. LOL, she is one of the people the right wingers just love and love to quote her articles..Guess they wont be quoting much from this article.  I love it.  I sit back and laugh when I see conservatives, staunch Bush supporters, speaking out against decisions he has made and then the ones who are still trying to defend this total screw up person, LOL. 
Thanks, that was great. May I share
You've probably already read it, but it's worth reading more than once.

We’re Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore
How did the Party of Lincoln and Liberty transmogrify into the party of Newt Gingrich’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk?
By Garrison Keillor August 26, 2004

Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned—and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today’s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.

In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. “Bipartisanship is another term of date rape,” says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.

The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong’s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we’re deaf, dumb and dangerous.

Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace.

Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedy—the single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president’s personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully.

The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good.

Our beloved land has been fogged with fear—fear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public uneasy and silence the opposition. And in a time of vague fear, you can appoint bullet-brained judges, strip the bark off the Constitution, eviscerate federal regulatory agencies, bring public education to a standstill, stupefy the press, lavish gorgeous tax breaks on the rich.

There is a stink drifting through this election year. It isn’t the Florida recount or the Supreme Court decision. No, it’s 9/11 that we keep coming back to. It wasn’t the “end of innocence,” or a turning point in our history, or a cosmic occurrence, it was an event, a lapse of security. And patriotism shouldn’t prevent people from asking hard questions of the man who was purportedly in charge of national security at the time.

Whenever I think of those New Yorkers hurrying along Park Place or getting off the No.1 Broadway local, hustling toward their office on the 90th floor, the morning paper under their arms, I think of that non-reader George W. Bush and how he hopes to exploit those people with a little economic uptick, maybe the capture of Osama, cruise to victory in November and proceed to get some serious nation-changing done in his second term.

This year, as in the past, Republicans will portray us Democrats as embittered academics, desiccated Unitarians, whacked-out hippies and communards, people who talk to telephone poles, the party of the Deadheads. They will wave enormous flags and wow over and over the footage of firemen in the wreckage of the World Trade Center and bodies being carried out and they will lie about their economic policies with astonishing enthusiasm.

The Union is what needs defending this year. Government of Enron and by Halliburton and for the Southern Baptists is not the same as what Lincoln spoke of. This gang of Pithecanthropus Republicanii has humbugged us to death on terrorism and tax cuts for the comfy and school prayer and flag burning and claimed the right to know what books we read and to dump their sewage upstream from the town and clear-cut the forests and gut the IRS and mark up the constitution on behalf of intolerance and promote the corporate takeover of the public airwaves and to hell with anybody who opposes them.

This is a great country, and it wasn’t made so by angry people. We have a sacred duty to bequeath it to our grandchildren in better shape than however we found it. We have a long way to go and we’re not getting any younger.

Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece, and thank you, dear reader. It’s a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning.
Great post gt!
Clinton always did know how to speak in clear terms about the basics of a matter - and speak to all people in plain language. Mystifying how Dubya's supporters claim he's the plain-talking one when every time he opens his mouth he's twisting the topic completely out of recognition or else just babbling incoherently.
LOL! Great post!!

Great website!

I think the folks interviewed regarding Krgzystan (spelling?) definitely drank WAY too much Koolaid.


Great, love those...especially

Great Site

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/


I just wanted to share this website with my fellow liberals in case you haven't seen it yet.  Lots of interesting news and hot topics regarding our concerns about the right wing nuts.


Great post.
Couldn't agree with you more. 
Great post, PK; thanks.

This is great - can we hold em to it? sm
First Rummy, then we will work on the rest. I think they are starting to realize they are getting backed up to the wall.

Boxer quote: You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Love it.