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That is simply not true. No funerals for fetuses ever.

Posted By: Christian without the hate on 2008-10-17
In Reply to: okay slick... - some do

THINK about it. Foolish to argue this point.


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Why no funerals for aborted fetuses?
answer that one Foxy
Simply not true... FOXISM nm
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This is simply NOT TRUE. Read what the United

Mine Workers of America have to say about it.  I've copied and pasted it in its entirety.  It completely REFUTES yet another false claim that's been repeated on this board.


McCain campaign’s last minute distortion of Obama’s coal record an act of desperation






date: 


November 3, 2008




For immediate release?: 
 

United Mine Workers of America (UMWA) International President Cecil E. Roberts issued the following statement today:


“Sen. John McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, have once again demonstrated that they are willing to say anything and do anything to win this election. Their latest twisting of the truth is about coal and some comments Sen. Obama made last January about the future use of coal in America.


“Here is what the McCain campaign left out of Sen. Obama’s actual words: ‘But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it.’


“Sen. Obama has been consistent with that message not just in the coalfields, but everywhere else he goes as well. Despite what the McCain campaign and some far right-wing blogs would have Americans believe, Sen. Obama has been and remains a tremendous supporter of coal and the future of coal.


“I noted that Sen. McCain even went so far yesterday as to say he has always been a supporter of coal. I wonder, then, how he can justify his statement at a Senate hearing in 2000 that, ‘In a perfect world we would like to transition away from coal entirely,’ and his leading role in sponsoring legislation in 2003 that would have wiped out 78 percent of all coal production in America?


“Fortunately, UMWA members, their families and their friends and neighbors in the coalfields know all too well what is going on here. They’re not going to fall for it, and we urge others throughout America who care about coal to review what the candidates’ records on coal actually are. We are confident that once they do, and once they see the many other benefits to working families of voting for Sen. Obama, they will make the right choice for themselves and their families


This is simply not true. I doubt that Obama will be...sm
anyone's "puppet" as both Bushes were. As well, the president does have a power of veto. It will be interesting to see how everything pans out over the next few years. I believe Obama sees an open, transparent, cooperative presidency but will be no ones fool.
Turkeys are for eating. Embryos and fetuses are

for loving, growing, giving birth to, nurturing, seeing smile for the first time, seeing walk for the first time, celebrating birthday parties with, chasing butterflies with, reading books to, hugging and kissing daily, taking to preschool, graduating kindergarten, running with friends on the playground, learning and developing opinions, going to camp with, fishing with, swimming with, sledding with, snowball fighting with, celebrating report cards with, taking to his/her first dance, first kiss, first date, surviving high school with, graduation, college/military/vocation, finding that special someone, landing a great job, getting married themselves, having more babies to continue that love......


It's called the next generation.


Is the new legislature talking about stem cells of aborted fetuses?...sm
Because I am a pro-life liberal. I don't rattle any cages about what other people chose to do with their bodies because I believe 90% of the time a person who choses to abort will not be a good parent anyway and will probably do worse to the child once outside the womb. Yes, I do believe a horid life can be worse than death before full development. The child will more than likely be in abject poverty, social and mental deprivation, and on and on. But more importantly, I think people should be more responsible to not get pregnant in the first place when they don't want kids.

Having said all that we do live in an age where abortion is legal, and like I said if they are going to dispose of the fetus anyway, why not use the stem cells to give hope to a Christopher Reeves of the world.

Now, when you talk about cloning and reproducing parts and such I'm not agreeing with that. That's taking it too far IMHO.
Funerals
Not everyone gets a funeral. Homeless people who die on the street don't get a funeral. People who die with no loved ones don't get a funeral. If you have an abortion, more than likely you didn't want the child, so why would you have an abortion for someone you didn't want or love?


Again I say, he probably stays away from funerals out of respect for the family...
so that along with him does not show up Cindy Sheehan, the pink ladies and who knows who else. Clinton came to OKC after the bombing there but I do not recall seeing him at any soldier funerals, and yes, soldiers died in Somalia and other places under his administration. As I have stated, the President has met with numerous families of fallen soldiers and to me that shows his respect as much as showing up at the funeral. I don't know why you are so upset he showed up at VA Tech. I think it is a wonderful thing that he did. Good grief. Not sure where all this animosity is coming from. He wasn't attending a funeral, he was attending a memorial service. I doubt if he will personally attend any of the victims' funerals. What he did at VA Tech is similar to what I have seen at countless visits to military bases across the country where he personally met with families. Just because you don't see it on mainstream liberal media does not mean it is not happening. As I said, they would rather eat dirt than telecast something like that. I for the life of me cannot figure out why someone would have a problem with the President being there or somehow think it is an affront to fallen soldiers that he did. Shaking my head....
How many funerals did Johnson and Clinton attend.
Answer me that.  It is inappropriate because it seems you will use any tragedy to further your sad and disturbing hate for this president. I get that by reading these boards. 
Sheesh....Clinton didn't go to funerals either....
and yes, soldiers died on his watch too (Somalia, Bosnia,etc). I did not see CNN covering flag-draped coffins then. Yes, more have died in Iraq; however, a soldier killed is a soldier killed. Clinton did not go to the funeral of that US serviceman who was killed and then his body dragged behind a Jeep in Somalia. Was that because Clinton felt guilty? Come on!! It is impossible for a President (ANY President) to show up at a private funeral without causing a media circus, and frankly, I would not want Bush there because along with him would come Cindy Sheehan, the pink ladies, the nutso religious group, the ones who hold up signs saying your son died for nothing, yada yada. Maybe THAT is why Bush does not go to funerals. Ya think???

As to stopping the media...what planet to you live on? As if Bush could stop the liberal media from showing anything they want...ala CNN and their terrorist-made sniper video as the terrorists stalked our soldiers. Good grief, new guy!!! The liberal media doesn't give a rat's patootie about who they hurt as they strive to take Bush down....ya think???

And frankly, new guy, do you think the public need to see a flag-draped coffin to know about the death toll in Iraq? I am surprised CNN has not installed a ticker to count them. Get a grip, get a clue, buy a vowel. You and other Bush haters like you just need to admit it. You hate the man, anything connected with the man, to the point that you criticize him for doing a wonderful thing by showing up at Virginia Tech. I think that shows a remarkable lack of human compassion on your part. Yeah...I THINK.
Not upset that he was in VA; upset that he has not attended funerals..
since individual people don't usually have convocations, a funeral would have to do. I am glad he was at VA. I heard first it was just Laura going, then the both of them.
Simply put... sm
The 1st amendment protects the speech you don't want to hear, not just the speech you want to hear.

You don't want to hear my dissenting opinion, but thank you, U.S. forefathers and subsequent soldiers, for protecting my right to say it to you.
I don't want to hear YOUR holier-than-thou bible thumping rants, but you have every right to say it to me, and I'm not going to tell you that you can't.

Who says I don't care... I am simply saying
that the rich are not evil, which you seem to paint them as.  In fact, a lot of philanthropy comes from the rich.  College scholarships, donations, etc.  We are not all the same and we cannot all be the same and we never will be the same.  How about instead of pity for those less fortunate, let's encourage them to be self-sufficient?  This is the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY and there will always be a segment of society who will not pull themselves up in spite of all the opportunities available.  I can't spend a lot of time worrying about that because it futile. 
Well perhaps we are simply misunderstood
like this:

We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job. That's what I'm telling you. —George W. Bush, Gulfport, Miss., Sept. 20, 2005


Wow! Brazil is big. —George W. Bush, after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia, Brazil,

If it were to rain a lot, there is concern from the Army Corps of Engineers that the levees might break. And so, therefore, we're cautious about encouraging people to return at this moment of history. —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2005

The relations with, uhh — Europe are important relations, and they've, uhh — because, we do share values. And, they're universal values, they're not American values or, you know — European values, they're universal values. And those values — uhh — being universal, ought to be applied everywhere. —George W. Bush, at a press conference with European Union dignitaries, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005

I can only speak to myself. —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way. —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

After all, Europe is America's closest ally. —George W. Bush, Mainz, Germany, Feb. 23, 2005

I'm also mindful that man should never try to put words in God's mouth. I mean, we should never ascribe natural disasters or anything else to God. We are in no way, shape, or form should a human being, play God. —George W. Bush, ABC's 20/20, Washington D.C., Jan. 14, 2005

I want to appreciate those of you who wear our nation's uniform for your sacrifice. —George W. Bush, Jacksonville, Fla.
See, that's the thing...you simply cannot allow
That's one of many things that make this kind of stupidity forum domination. Grownups back off and let their children throw tantrums sometimes. Go ahead. Let her rip. I'm outta here for now, but not for long.
I am simply saying that I think it is funny

that they listed that as a point for her foreign experience.  Yes, I saw the first one and it should be listed.  I just don't have a clue why they would list that as a point for it.  Though, it is clearly a Republican or anti-Obama site so it would, just as the Democrat, anti-Republican sites would do something equally as ridiculous.  


I also try to not bash either side, unless I am provoked .  I do think you can oppose one side and keep it level-headed.  When people start completely bashing and name-calling, etc., it kind of throws all credibility out the window for me.   


Like I said, pubs simply do not
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Why would you post this, other than to simply
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you are simply wrong.

Posting over and over and over does not make something true.  Case in point - Iran was involved in the 911 attack.  It has been 7 years, and SP is still saying that lie.


 


We don't HATE, like the right does. We simply
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And he could easily do that simply by....(sm)
upholding G. W. Bush's patriot act.  Go figure.
I simply prefer not to post here. SM
I have a hectic and stressful enough life as it is, as many MTs do.  I don't know anything about the other issue. I use to go to MTDaily and there was always trouble there with the ISP thing and their own prejudice.  So I don't go there anymore.  I suggest that might be an option for you if you feel the way you do. 
Murtha simply wants it investigated, one way or the other...sm
Although I doubt the soldiers have corrupt intent *if* there is any merit in the claims.
I was simply imitating your posts...

I guess you don't like to be on the receiving end.


I'm not assuming you are white. I simply
meant put yourself in the role that she was in, a minority in college. You are right though, I assumed that you weren't a minority for that scenario and I apologize. And, I didn't mention anywhere in my post about Wright, I was simply referring to her as a college student and the fact that I did not think her thesis was racist.
I dont see it that way at all. Obama simply cant be
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This is simply a matter of color.
This man has gotten off the hook answering the tough questions because everyone is trying to be so PC; we don't want to upset the black man or the black community. WHo cares? He's running for President. If being black keeps him from answering the hard questions, why the heck do I want him running my country.

Racism is alive and well in this country.
Simply curious about the motive.
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I WANT to respect Obama, but I cant simply
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I accused nobody of anything. I simply stated that
a triple digit IQ, i.e., intelligence quotient, as in intelligent leadership, would be good for the country for a change, the implication being we have not had that until now. If it speaks stupid, thinks stupid, looks stupid and acts stupid, chances are it is, well, stupid.

I do not spend any time on sites that speculate about widely varying IQ scores for either party's candidates, since that type of data can only produce subjective conclusions. I also do not pursue illogical arguments that in one breath give Obama's SAT/LSAT scores and in the next, accuse him of hiding that information. For me, SAT scores and IQ are 2 mutually exclusive concepts unless and until someone can produce a resource that can convince me otherwise.

I made a simple statement in response to Bushisms which any self-respecting American would find embarrassing and not worthy of the highest office in the land. That statement was construed as some sort of accusation in a reply from somebody who felt the need to defend Bush. I answered that by further discussion of Bush's stupidity, not his IQ. I was not focused on the number, rather the lack of intelligence.

Therefore, I feel no need to defend my position nor excuse myself for not conducting exhaustive research in defense of somebody else's ideas and number hang-ups.

I want smart leadership. Sue me.
Where did I state that? I simply stated
You've really got a bee in your bonnet today, don't you?
It's simply that I take nothing from this source at face value.
I know some of the other side of issues that MM has addressed, I know what he does to produce some of the "effects" he creates, and I refuse to be sucked in by anything he does, most of which is deceitful.
Get a room? Something on my nose? Simply

because I was polite to someone, chose to give one of the "nice" ones the benefit of the doubt while finding posts like yours uninformative, childish and a pure waste of keystrokes?


I agree, given the never-ending bitterness and hatefulness you have, it will all come back to bite you in the butt some day.  One usually gets back what they give.


Simply put, those who have salvation are bound for heaven.
matter if a person is Jewish or not. 
Right, nothing psychotic, simply common sense.
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Simply displays a different point of view...nm
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Did you bother to read the endorsement or simply
Think about it.
I agree....simply because what people will say to a caller...
or even on this board or to a friend even...when that person gets to the point of voting...I am not sure all those saying to the pollsters "Obama" will actually vote for him. Remember the exit polls for Kerry...it looked like he was winning everywhere by large margin and when the votes came in...not so. We are not going to know until election night. And I still think it will be close, but I don't think Obama has it sewn up by a long shot.
This is a day for us to simply step back and stand together
progressives, conservatives liberals and the like...just simply as Americans, waking up and greeting the dawn of a new day.
Berg is no leftie. He is simply a disenfranchised
and, NO, that does not make him a leftie. The dem party has a broad range of degree of conservativism vs liberalism. A fringe pub is not qualified to judge one way or the other who among the dems is left, right or center, since everyone left of them (including the majority of their own political party) are "lefties." Berg is a Hillary diehard, pure and simple. If you doubt this, just take a look at the timing of when he filed his law suit. He did not challenge O's eligibility until it became apparent that his own candidate was going to lose in the primaries.
Berg is no leftie. He is simply a disenfranchised
and, NO, that does not make him a leftie. The dem party has a broad range of degree of conservativism vs liberalism. A fringe pub is not qualified to judge one way or the other who among the dems is left, right or center, since everyone left of them (including the majority of their own political party) are "lefties." Berg is a Hillary diehard, pure and simple. If you doubt this, just take a look at the timing of when he filed his law suit. He did not challenge O's eligibility until it became apparent that his own candidate was going to lose in the primaries.
You're simply pathetic, you know it? Your posts
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The simply fact is you were whining and crying about us being on your board sm
when you are almost just as often on ours.  Is that a hard concept to get through your noggin or do I need to hire a sky writer?
Some things just simply are right/wrong, black/white, yes/no.
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I'm sorry, there just simply is no excuse under any circumstances for spitting on a veteran. sm
That site is a riot though.  A real blast from the 60s.  Definitely with their own agenda, that's for sure.
Obama is simply a stylish talker. He makes me
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Calling people "un-American" simply because they
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They're not bored. They's simply bitter and hateful.

Each and every person who even comes CLOSE to being nice to, respecting and liking JTBB will be attacked, like little second-graders in a clique.  Unfortunately, because you are being nice and trying to hold a dialogue with JTBB, you are their newest target.  (I believe I was their target last week and probably will be their target again.)


They can't come up with anything intelligent to say, so they attack, as the rabid right have become known to do.


Just keep doing what you're doing.  I enjoy reading your posts.  They make sense, they're friendly and respectful, and and those kinds of posts are sometimes rare on this board.


 


That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.

Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
You loonie lefties must be simply dancing with rage today, eh?
Oh yeah - and by the way, another little bit of advice: Be careful what you wish for. And I do mean VERY careful. It's been simply amazing watching the radical left fashioning for themselves a two-edged sword on which they themselves will undoubtedly be impaled.
Well, if we sould simply stop meddling in the rest of the world's business....
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