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My word can you ever rant.  But you don't seem so great at sticking to facts.  I read the posts you paraphrased and do not agree with your synopsis.  She did not say you were a cliche, among other things....she said you were using a cliche.  Superior intellect?  Huh?  Where'd you get that?  She stated she liked western history.  Just because someone likes to read doesn't mean they are boasting that they are superior.  How silly!!!

Thank you very much for editing my post, removing the portions you felt were inappropriate but keeping the majority of my post intact.

When I first heard the candidate make the statement, I, too, felt the language was "aggressive" and "strange."

And liberals are posting on the conservative board and do you see us ordering them off?  You really have no tolerance.  And by the way, the little article about dissention in the ranks, it seems all isn't what it appears to be.  Shocker there.

http://newsbusters.org/

Conservative board.

Never a problem there.

The right wing rag I got my figures from was the IRS:

Progressivity and the Tax Burden

Our tax system, however, is highly progressive, meaning that as one's income rises, a higher proportion of that income is taxed. Thus, those in the highest tax brackets contribute more to the overall tax burden even though there are far more people in lower tax brackets.¹

• According to data from the IRS, the bottom 50 percent of income earners pay approximately 4 percent of income taxes.
  
• The top 25 percent of income earners pay nearly 83 percent of the income tax burden, and the top 10 percent pay 65 percent.
  
• The top 1 percent of income earners pay almost 35 percent of all income taxes.

The bottom 50% referred to above includes the middle class.

The $6 billion figure came from one of your own posters down in a lower thread...from the tax institute who evaluated O's plan, and the fact that it would add about a trillion (literally) dollars to the deficit.  You can scroll down and find it yourself.

Yes, $250,000 in INCOME.  That is a small business owner's PAYCHECK.  That is what is left after they have paid all their small business operation bills, and he wants to RAISE the taxes on what they have left.  It HURTS small businesses.  IF they work hard, pay their people, keep their jobs on shore, what do they get for it?  After paying whatever business taxes they have to pay, he wants to tax their bottom line AGAIN.  In my opinion...that sucks.

Don't have time to run through the whole rant right now.  More later.

You don't know the meaning of the word *respectful.*  You want to come here and censor this board and lay down the law about what is *newsworthy* and what isn't, the same way you people want to control every aspect of every American's life.  How ya makin' out in that regard?  Not too well, eh? 

You and your other sidekick(personality?) below don't come here to debate.

You come here to incite, and regardless of your promises, you'll never leave.  Nobody is bothering you on your board, and you have to release your evil vile hatred somewhere or else you will explode, so you come here.

If you want to see vicious, consult the nearest mirror.

According to dictionary.com, the meanings of the N-word are “deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.”  They go on to say, conversely, “it is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.”  Since he whispered the statement behind what he thought was a cold microphone, it is highly unlikely that Rev. Jackson intended to cause great offense and his use of the word probably falls into the latter category of usage. 

For example, the N-word can become much less offensive and even assume neutrality within historical discourse, literature, poetry, cinema theater and the like.  One could further argue that within certain contexts (i.e. rap music, conversations within the black households, neighborhoods and businesses, to name a few) connotations of the word can be construed so as to convey a sense of community…even a brotherhood, of sorts.  Language is fluid, dynamic and vital in its nature, not static or one-dimensional.  Context, message, intent, environment, speaker and audience all impact the ultimate nuance of meaning in all forms of communication. 

I agree with you and take deep offense at the use of the N-word, regardless of who says it.  However, I would like to comment on some of the other points you raised in your post.  A careful read of the actual statement shows that Rev. Jackson did not use this epithet to personally attack Obama.  Rather, he was referring to the black population as a whole.  Granted, his choice of words was extremely poor (at least from a white perspective), but the statement was not meant for public scrutiny.  It was spoken from one black individual to another, much the same was that Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements were made from black preacher to black congregation. 

As a white person, I do not believe I can sit in judgment one way or another regarding his choice of words when taken completely out of context, in the same way I am not qualified to criticize the sermons of Rev. Wright.  I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to understand that, having lived in the US as a white person both before and after the civil right eras (1948 to present), I have not experienced life in America the same way black people have.  They are entitled to their own “take” on their own lives.  Who am I to tell them how to “tell it like it is?”

One last point.  I am sure that much flap and bruhah will ensue over this unfortunate news.  However, the very fact that Rev. Sharpton, you, I, the media and countless others will be having this debate over our outrage and dismay is a testament as to just how effective Rev Jackson and other early leaders in the civil rights movement were in defining the key issues, defying status quo of his times, enlisting support for the cause, effectively engaging his opposition in ongoing bipartisan initiatives over nearly 4 decades and producing fruitful, far-reaching and substantial bodies of legislation from which today’s black community continue to reap bountiful benefits and blessings.  They weathered storms of protests, incarceration, series after series of setbacks and reversals, and buckets of bloodshed in their efforts to secure the civil liberties and rights that reach far beyond the black community to encompass other forms of discrimination against women, gays, immigrants and the poor, to name a few…all so casually taken for granted and so easily dismissed in the blink of an eye with one ill-chosen, unfortunate slip of the tongue. 

For those of us whose memories reach further back than the latest round of CNN sound bytes and chat room chatter, we probably would forgive Obama should he decide not to denounce Rev Jackson’s support, nor would we feel driven to force him to abandon his own pastor of 20 years for the sake of our own righteous indignation. 

This is near the bottom of the article I posted.  Maybe you just missed it.

"To gain access to the emergency loans, GM and Chrysler must also agree to a wide range of concessions, including limits on executive pay and the elimination of their private corporate jets. "

Everyone put it on Bush's shoulders to do some thing about this and now that he has, still he gets bashed.  He's not my favorite president by far, but I think he should be afforded some kind of recognition for doing something to help the economy.  As far as pay cuts for the UAW, the article says that they will have to bring their wages more in line with those of foreign auto makers, which is still a danged good salary.  Would the UAW rather have a pay check or be completely unemployed?  That is pretty much what it all boils down to.  I wouldn't particular want to take a pay cut either, but in light of the situation and the current economic picture, I think I would thank my lucky stars that I at least would HAVE a jo

Like the old saying goes "You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

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