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A decorated Vietnam combat veteran who retired as a colonel after 37 years in the U.S. Marine Corps, Murtha told ABC News' Nightline program that Iraq absolutely was a wrong war for President George W. Bush to have launched. Would you join (the military) today?, he was asked in an interview taped on Friday. No, replied Murtha of Pennsylvania, the top Democrat on the House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees defense spending and one of his party's leading spokesmen on military issues. And I think you're saying the average guy out there who's considering recruitment is justified in saying 'I don't want to serve', the interviewer continued. Exactly right, said Murtha, who drew White House ire in November after becoming the first ranking Democrat to push for a pullout of U.S. forces from Iraq as soon as it could be done safely. At the time, White House spokesman Scott McClellan equated Murtha's position with surrendering to terrorists. Since then, Bush has decried the defeatism of some of his political rivals. In an unusually direct appeal, he urged Americans on Dec. 18 not to give in to despair over Iraq, insisting that we are winning despite a tougher-than-expected fight. Murtha did not respond directly when asked whether a lack of combat experience might have affected the decision-making of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their former top deputies. Let me tell you, war is a nasty business. It sears the soul, he said, choking up. And it made a difference. The shadow of those killings stay with you the rest of your life. Asked for comment, a Defense Department spokesman, Lt. Col. John Skinner, said: We have an all-volunteer military. People are free to choose whether they serve or not. Our freedom of speech in this country allows all of us the opportunity to voice an opinion. It's one of our great strengths as a nation, he added in an e-mailed reply. The White House had no immediate comment.
Murtha's predictions on the Republican exit strategy. I'm past convinced but time will tell just how politically motivated *Iraqi freedom* is to this administration. How much you want to bet nobody gets it? I agree with Murtha, now that we have relieved Iraq of the Saddam regime the mission sould be getting our soldiers home safely. But its not that easy with the new wave of terrorism that replaced Saddam's regime as a result of the war. I still say though we have our own battles to fight at home and need to accelerate training what Iraqi men are willing to fight for democracy and do what we can to restore their infrastructure and get out. With the right enthusiasm (or upcoming congress elections) it can be done. ~Democrat ------------------------ Murtha Details His Exit Strategy CBS) Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., believes the vast majority of U.S. troops in Iraq will be out by the end of the year and maybe even sooner. In his boldest words yet on the subject, the outspoken critic of the war predicts the withdrawal and tells 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace why he thinks the Bush administration will do it Iraqi Soldiers Speak Out in Favor of Murtha On January 5, 2006, Congressman Murtha held a town hall meeting with Cong. Jim Moran (D-VA 08). The soldier who asked the first question served in Afghanistan and said that morale among troops is high and that he would gladly serve in Iraq today. His comment was the only one replayed by Fox News the next day. Here are some excerpts. John Brumes, Infantry Sgt. US Army: Everything that the Bush Adminstration told us about that mission in Iraq is absolutely incorrect. Furthermore, I'd like to say ... I came home to no job, no health insurance. Until we take care of this war, we can't take care of the problems that matter like health care. John Powers, Capt. 1st Armored Division, served 12 months in Iraq: The thing that hits me the most is the accountability. ... Where is the accountability for those men [who took us to war], as well as where is the accountability for Paul Bremmer, who misplaced millions of dollars and claims to keep accountability in the war zone?... I know that if we lost $500 we would be court marshaled. So where is the accountability for this leadership? Garin Reppenhagen, served as a sniper in Iraq for a year in the First Infantry Division: My question is also about accountability. The soldiers that you see, Congressman Murtha, at the hospitals... those are my friends. After coming back, being a veteran, my question is why? Why did we go to this war, why the hell did it happen, why are we in this condition. A lot of soldiers are debating whether this war was fraudulent to begin with. And there doesn't seem to be a clear answer. A lot of Americans now are debating the fact over whether or not the war was fraudulent in the first place. How come there hasn't been an investigation on the fraudulent lead up to the war by this Administration? C-SPAN has the full broadcast here. Check the source for Observer's Murtha article.... It is from a right-wing pro-war blog called "Politico." If you read a more non-partisan source you'll find that Murtha added a very large caveat to his comment. Observer's "facts" would be so much more credible if she would quit posting from right-wing partisan sources. If I were to repeatedly or constantly post on the Conservative board what I thought was the "truth" and all backed up by far left-wing blogs/publications I don't think I'd get very far and after I while I'd probably try to provide more non-partisan sources for my statements if I wanted to be viewed as the least bit credible. Murtha, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Al Franken!, ughh!. nm You attacked me don't put on the who me? me innocent face either. You always attack and are at the very least condescending. You wished me dead when you asked me to drink N.O. water....don't play all innocent, because it's there for all to see. You were never attacked you are the attacker gt. You have no spine. You are a sick individual. Yes, I have attacked you. The mean comments I made were how I genuinely felt, though. I sincerely feel there are mental issues that play into some of the postings I see. And I did feel as though someone had ------ on me at one point. That is how it felt, honestly. And I won't go into it beyond that. That said, just because I felt desecrated and that there were mental issues affecting some people's judgment doesn't mean I had to make fun or allude to these conclusions. That was in poor taste. We will most likely be attacked again... it is just a matter of time. Someone will have to test the new administration to see what they will do. I predict they will fold and implode. Not looking forward to it but the people have spoken. All we can do is sit back and watch and wait. Because we have not been attacked since! nm Before I get attacked... it is called Special Order 40. No, we would have been attacked just the same. However, as we all would have been in a coma from listing to Algore's speeches, we just would not have known it. Mass anesthesia. They attacked him because he said Barbara came up to him when he in fact went up to her. OMG! Down with Beck. He should be hung at high noon. Seriously....aren't there more important issues than this crap? As for his answer when they asked him if he checked his facts out and he said no, he was answering the question of whether he was a journalist and he said no he wasn't....he is a commentator. All those women talk at once and he was still answering one question when Barbara asked him another. That show is so pointless to watch. It has like one conservative person on the whole thing and the rest of liberal loons who attack all who lean conservative. I really don't know how Elisabeth Hasselbeck...or whatever her name is.....stands to be on that show. You were not being attacked, you ideas are You don't debate, you scream and holler and fling insults and names. She most absolutely was not attacked. And notice that while I never once denigrated you, nor questioned your abilities, your post to me was one long rant. I think that speaks for itself. Have a nice evening yourself. Evacuees attacked I thought Rush might have learned something from his own bad judgments but I guess I was wrong. I actually felt sorry for him for awhile...I would not wish his situation on anyone. But it seems he is back to his Homeless Olympics-type comments - always blame whoever is on the other side of the fence. Now I know where all this rhetoric is coming from...straight from the mouths of the radio right reich.Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: ‘Ingrates,’ ‘Whining,’ ‘Spoiled-Rotten Little Children’The Bush administration’s evacuation of Americans in Lebanon has been disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed “two days after the first Europeans left on ships.” Denmark, for example, “evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens” by Thursday. Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees: Rush Limbaugh, 7/19:
Fox anchor Neil Cavuto, 7/20:
TownHall.com columnist Mike Gallagher, 7/21:
Fox anchor Steve Doocy, 7/19:
Watch Fox & Friends (a Fox correspondent in Cyprus disputes Doocy’s account, describing the evacuation conditions as “really chaotic”): At least we haven't been attacked again on our soil....if tricky Billy Clinton did HIS job while in office, Bin Laden would have been taken care of and 9/11 would have never happened. Happy anniversary to you. Bush is far from perfect but we have been safe at home. Fringe or not, he'll get attacked for it... He is pro-life and doesn't condone prostitution, but he'll take contribution money from them? Huh....seems that he is doing now exactly what he said he wouldn't which was taking contributions from special interest groups. And he aligned himself with Tucker. I believe he just put the noose around his own neck. :o) Sam does discuss issues and gets attacked for it. nm Hey, it is the dems who attacked her from day one, old-timer... certainly not republicans or independents, and the continue it on this board to this day. If you want the conversation to shift to Obama, leave Palin alone. Just as you guys will defend him, those of us who believe she is a great addition to the ticket will defend her. The Dems have kept her in the news since she was announced, and I am sure she would rather she had not been attacked in such a hateful and personal matter that had nothing to do with the position...but it happened. They hammered her experience, which in turn shined the spotlight on Obama's lack of experience, and hammered on that, even when he asked his minions to stop. They didn't stop. Then they hammered for her to do an interview. She did, and McCain's numbers continue to do well and he has started drawing very close to Obama in many of the swing states. I don't blame Obama for wanting the spotlight off of her. Don't blame him one bit. Attacked campaign worker She says she was kicked, beaten, punched and then thrown to the ground. The attacker could have been over her, upside down, when he did the carving.... just a thought to those who doubt the "backwards B." You just attacked all of the McCain people in your post, so yes you are a hypocrite. You expect nobody to respond to that? You could have just e-mailed her with that personal post. my guess is we wouldn't have been attacked at all NM speculation as is your guess. Better hope we aren't attacked....this man is a sellout // I didn't see where Shelly has attacked people unless they attacked her first, and then she tried to explain the first post in simple English. This is the most I have posted on this board in the last 2 months but I just can't take all attacks against people just because they voted for the pubs. I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, STOP THE BASHING. IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE. All it causes is hate. P.S. Mrs. M is the one of the worse on here. I have never seen her post before today or yesterday (didn't look at the dates). I think she's just trying to stir the pot. Palin was unfairly personally attacked by the really nm N. Korea Threatens to Hurt US if Attacked This guy is really nuts! Just because he has 1M foot soldiers, he thinks he can do what he wants. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528057,00.html Truth hurts, don't it? Hey, whenever attacked, call someone a liar. Sez a lot about you. Perhaps he was afraid of being attacked for mixing politics and religion I don't think it was anything to get uup in arms about - but of course people get up in arms about EVERYTHING this man does - even to having pizza in the White House. People need to quit grasping at straws and focus on important issues! That's not the whole quote.
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