They BOTH had notes. I thought she did
Posted By: very well at holding her own. (NM) on 2008-10-03
In Reply to: Anything of substance she's reading from the - podium top. She's been rehearsing all week.
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A couple notes
Ty Sam for your unbiased comments. I understand you totally - just bringing up issues you have heard.
Here's a couple things I understand about the situation.
Bill & Hillary were trying to file this petition, but not until after she started losing. It ranks up there with the "Florida fiasco" she created but then tried to overturn. In fact I believe they were trying to claim he was born in Kenya at the same time they said Florida didn't matter and agreed to not count Florida until they were losing, then they decided they wanted their votes (unfortunately it was a little too late for them). Bill & Hillary were (are) so desparate to get back into the white house that they were grasping at anything. I think it was ruled that Barack was born in Hawaii (not Kenya) according to the birth certificate. Which I'm sure had to be verified before he would even be eligible to run. My gut feeling is that Bill & Hillary were trying to get a lot of people to believe that he was born in Kenya so they would vote against him. Luckily for Barack their "plan" didn't work. It would have been devastating for him to lose based on a lie put out by the Clintons mis-informing people just so they could win (as I read that I just realized that is what campaign ads do. They put out lies about their oponents - both sides). Anyway...heard it was overturned and his birth certificate does say he was born in Hawaii. Also, like the other poster said if your born to American citizens but are born outside the US (like the military in Germany) you are still considered a natural born citizen.
On a side note, I heard Gov. Ed Rendell talk and for the first time I finally agree with him on what he was saying. For the first time he finally made statement that were rational. I do know that he was big big big Hillary supporter and spoke out against Obama when she was running against him, but yesterday or the day before I heard him talking and he said that Obama was clearly qualified and would make a fine president, blah, blah, blah (can't remember the whole speech). He went down the list of things he doesn't think McCain is good at and why he would not be a good president, and went down the list as to why he felt Barack was the best candidate. So for him to do a total turn around I gained a little respect for him.
notes from the underground
Hi folks, sarah and I are both hiding underground now. Please vote for us and we will pop up like groundhogs for the inauguration.
notes from the low road...
hi folks, Joe and I are going to keep on campaigning (fiddling while Rome burns) and they will call us if they need us....hey! Wonder why they aren't calling???
All the while, his supporters taking notes
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NOTES FROM NEW ORLEANS: A Hard Head Makes A Soft Behind...sm
NOTES FROM NEW ORLEANS: A Hard Head Makes A Soft Behind
By Deborah Cotton
By now, you’ve heard the election results – Mayor Nagin against Lieutenant Governor Mitch Landrieu in the run-off, the mayor coming away with the a large number of the Black vote, including those of my Black friends who swore they were done with him. As one brother later told me, “At the end of the day, I had to go with my own.”
Forcing the issue of having a Black mayor for New Orleans, even when all his actions demonstrate an inability or unwillingness to make issues important to the Black community a priority, in the hopes that it will help us reclaim our ‘Chocolate City’, strikes me as, well…hard-headed.
I went to the Sheraton Election Night to cover Nagin’s speech. The room was filled with nothing but Black faces, so shocking considering just two months ago, you couldn’t hardly find a Black person with a New Orleans driver’s license who had anything nice to say about our Mayor’s on-the-job performance. I looked into those faces, faces of friends and people I’d met out at rallies and neighborhood planning meetings, all of whom openly discussed their dissatisfaction with the current leadership. But this mayor’s race was no longer about the future of New Orleans. This race has become about race.
At Nagin’s Election Night party, there was a distinct feeling of Black people welcoming the prodigal son back home, of redemption of the husband who strayed. Once it was clear his White majority supporters were backing anyone but him, he started out on the ‘Back To Africa’ tour so many of our prodigal sons and daughters have performed in – OJ Simpson, Mariah, Vanessa…and was successful in securing a large number of Black votes. There were literally tears in the eyes of many of the women there, cracked voices calling out “We love you!” “Speak your truth!” They loved that he said “Chocolate City” and pissed White people off.
The room was electric and his speech had some profound moments. But then… the classic Nagin kicked in and he said something that fell like a bad note in his otherwise melodic song.
“This economic pie is getting ready to explode. And it will be shared equally. I want the community to get more comfortable with the Ray Nagin type. The Joe Canizaro type...”
Smiles and tears froze.
Joe Canizaro is a local land developer and one of President Bush’s biggest campaign contributors. When Nagin tapped his choices for the ‘Bring Back New Orleans’ advisory panel that would create a rebuilding plan for New Orleans, he followed Canizaro’s advice and stepped over local talent and intelligentsia and hired consultants from Los Angeles called the ‘Urban Planning Institute’, of which Canizaro was a long time board member. Many New Orleanians were upset they had so little representation on the BNOB panel. And the ones that were included on the panel, like City Council President Oliver Thomas, voiced frustration at being dis-included from many a luncheon and social gathering were decisions and deals were made about the rebuilding plan. When the plan was finally unveiled, it was clear to those watching why the planning lunches were secret.
When the BNOB committee presented it plan to the public at the Marriot Hotel last November, we saw a map of New Orleans on the overhead screen that had large green swatches over areas that the ULI recommended for permanent closure -the Ninth Ward, New Orleans East, and Gentilly. These areas are predominately Black communities. Even more telling about the agenda of the planners was the fact that the plan made no mention of where else in New Orleans the residents of these closed Black neighborhoods could move to.
A plan for a new New Orleans. “Oh, we don’t know where ‘those’ people went…” Residents were absolutely livid. So much so that the ULI returned to the community months later with a revised plan that said the neighborhoods proposed for phasing out would be given four months to prove they could repopulate and be viable or the city would begin a forced buy-out program. There still seemed to be a lack of understanding on the part of the from-out-of-town panel that people have not been able to repopulate their neighborhoods because their houses are destroyed, the insurance companies are denying claims across the board, landlords are price gouging the rental market, and FEMA’s STILL not provided even half the trailers requested.
Just as the BNOB panel began to take public comments after their presentation of the revised plan, a huge Black man bellowed out like a sonic boom from the back of the room:
“You’re not taking my land!! If you come trying to take my property, you’re gonna have a baby Iraq on your hands! Nobody worked the jobs I’ve worked, taking crap from employers I didn’t wanna take, to make my note every month to sit here and have you tell me I can’t rebuild MY own home!! That’s my house and if you thinking ‘bout coming to take my land, you betta come heavy. And Joe Canizaro – I HATE YOU!”
Mr. Harvey’s explosion was a pivotal moment in this early phase of our reconstruction. His face made the front page of the paper and he’s since been interviewed by dozens of media outlets. His roaring outburst exposed the stifled anger, disgust, rage, pain, and grief so many homeowners felt at the slap in the face by these Los Angeles-based, Nagin-Canizaro sponsored planners.
Blacks here have an over-arching mistrust of Canizaro. And the moment Nagin uttered his name on Election Night as someone we need to be checking for, we witnessed the first signs of the prodigal son returning to his old ways.
I looked at the Black faces around me, their responses to his Canizaro remark, and saw frozen smiles – and determination. Determination to go forward, against all the signs and track record of what they knew they didn’t want, for fear of losing our Black foothold in local government.
“Don’t we even get to keep that?”, we ask ourselves here in the New Orleans. ‘We lost our homes, every last stick of furniture, every appliance, photo albums and grandmother’s jewelry and all our files and the dog too and family, friends, neighbors we grew up with – everything that give context and meaning for even being here in this life…’ The only thing many Black people got out of here with before the levees broke, besides our memories, was their Black skin. And a feeling is alive here that if we lose our Black leadership, the only thing that survived in New Orleans, we won’t have a future here.
When I first moved to New Orleans, I was saturated in blackness and I loved it. Black people were everywhere and it really felt like another country, other than the United States. One of my favorite jaunts then, and still today, is to go to City Hall and revel in the family vibe where ‘my folks’ are running things. No other public office have I ever felt so comfortable, so…relevant. And so included.
I, too, am still constantly wrestling with strong emotions about being a Black public figure, a Black woman, tearing away from the fold, away from ‘the Black man’. I’d love nothing more than to be wrong about Mayor Nagin’s ability to lead us out of darkness. But…you know - especially you ladies - how you know something deep inside that you don’t want to be true, so you say to yourself, ‘Maybe I’m wrong…’ But later on, when the sh-t hits the fan, you realize how foolish it was to doubt what your wisdom and intuition told you.
New Orleans can’t afford false pride based on race. Our empire has been completely demolished. Sometimes, there’s so much to do, so much wrong here that needs addressing, and you get so overwhelmed trying to hold it together, you just sit back down and start crying. Crying for the old days.
And that’s when faith comes in. Faith that if we walk on what we know is His truth, that He’ll provide the best outcome. And if we force things to be our way, moving from a limited, human mentality of fear, we’ll just end up with more of this hard knocks life.
My grandmother used to tell me whenever I was cutting up, “A hard head makes a soft behind!” Her words came rushing to me when Mayor Nagin finished his speech and the DJ fired up the room with a song from the Gap Band:
‘Oops! Upside Your Head’
Sounds like foreshadowing to me…
Deborah Cotton is a freelance journalist and public speaker based in New Orleans, covering on-the-ground stories of the city’s recovery and chronicling the rebuilding efforts of the historic Ninth Ward. She can be reached at Deborah.cotton@gmail.com.
* From now until May 7th, check out her election/Jazz Fest coverage in her daily blog ‘The Second Line’ on http://blackvoices.aol.com
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
I told you what I thought he thought....
and thank you so much for reducing it to "a piece."
That being said, here is link to article from Wall Street Journal about both candidates and outsourcing...Obama is not going to stop it either. He has said on the stump the answer is more highly educated American workers to compete.
It seems to me, and although you may think this is also a "piece," that if you put our corporate tax rates lower, if that corporation is inclined to hire Americans and not outsource then they will do so.
You honestly think the majority of corporations just WANT to outsource and taxes don't matter?
I thought I was alone.
So refreshing to have someone on this board that can actually think for themselves. I have such vivid memories of my dad dressing up in his class A's to go to war, and coming into my room crying at 4:00 a.m. in the morning to say goodbye, not knowing if we would ever see one another again. Thankfully, he did 1 tour in Korea before I was born, two tours in VN, and we lived on an Army base 25 miles from the Berlin wall when I was 6 years old. If there was ever an american girl, it is me and my brother. That "american girl" posting on here all the time, if she had to earn her FFFF freedom she would learn to keep her mouth shut.
Same thought here
It seems like one of first major priorities would be to ensure fair voting practices. I'm very worried about the accuracy of computerized voting and possible tampering.
I thought you were new here?sm
People are somewhat like-minded here, but I see distinct posting styles here. I am a conservative (ex-Republican), but I do not post on their board; their ideology does not reflect my beliefs. I have never once been bashed by liberals, even if they do not agree with me.
Just a thought....
Before too long the number of Iraq War troop deaths will be as high as the ones here on 9/11. And all for what? So sad.
You know what I thought when I saw it?
I thought it was posted by someone from the rabid right, so they could come back and respond to their very own post and blame the liberals because people post things like this. LoL!
I thought he was
putting his money where his mouth is. He has donated a large amount of his personal funds to this project, as well as fundraising efforts A lot of celebs just talk, Brad is actually doing something. Why does he have to live in the 9th ward to help.
I sponsor kids on the Salvation Army Angel Tree. Should I have to live with them to help them?
Gimme a break!
Never thought of it this way
You brought some good thoughts to mind. I definitely agree with you.
I know it's not very PC, but I'm sure the thought has
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Another Thought
If Sara Palin came on the scene as an Independent and ran against McCain & Obama, think how that could've changed things!
As a conservative, I'm thrilled to see someone who knows how to play ball with the big boys. Funny how the feminists want all this equal rights stuff, then shoot this lady down before they really know anything about her.
I wonder how upset Hillary's supporters are over this. Time will tell, not just polls.
It should be interesting what history reveals in the end. Either way, this race will go down in the books as a first. That in itself is interesting.
Okay, that's what I thought lol
Two late nights in a row for me...thank GOD it's Friday! :)
I thought so............
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Just a thought about this.
Since I only heard a snippet of this so far, the governor was trying to have others pay him to appoint them to take the O's senate seat?
If so (and don't bash, I'm asking a very serious question here), could this be how the O came up so quick? He paid for his senate seat?
The gov doesn't look like he thinks he did anything wrong. He's kinda young looking too. Could it be because Illinois has always had corruption like this? Gee, I think I'll go to Illinois and run for senator. LOL
Nobody thought that
Patriotism shouldn't be an issue, because there should be NO question whether a candidate for president is loyal to this country. The fact that there IS a question should scare people a lot more than it apparently does.
Do tell. I thought she did too. nm
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I thought that was odd too
I was trying to figure out the strategy was with that. Maybe it was to convey that McCain thinks Obama is so inferior to him, he can't even bother looking at him? I don't know. They were supposed to be debating each other, and I wanted some more interaction.
I kept waiting for him to look Obama in the eye and say you are wrong. Even Bush looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul or whatever.
I thought I was the only one who thought
as you do. I've been pulling $ out of my savings every month to pay the bills that my paychecks do not. I work longer and longer hours, for less and less money.
I, too, am 100% against this so-called 'bailout'. WHO, exactly, are they bailing out? I would actually LIKE to see the 'train-wreck'. I WANT to see Wall Street crash and all of the banks fail. I don't have any money in them anyway... it all gets spent on month-to-month survival.
I already know how to get by on next-to-nothing. So it would be just EVER-SO-ENTERTAINING if we could sit back and watch all this high-flyin' corporate con-men lose their shirts and have to learn to live on nothing, as well.
The best thing about allowing things to just take their own course, instead of falsely propping it all up with the crutch of a federal bailout, is that maybe, just MAYBE, if the whole system had to be re-built from the ground up, maybe they might do a better job this time around.
So, fire those locomotives up, and point those suckers right at each other! Train-wreck! YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
okay , that's what I thought, so why --
why does everybody say that Obama wants socialized medicine then? That is not what I read. My take on Obama's plan is that he wants insurance available for everyone but that most people will still be insured through their employers, but the government will have insurance plans for those who do not get it through their employer. That is not socialized medicine to me, that is just providing insurance coverage for people who need it.
Just another thought
You say you want someone with experience. Then the obvious choice is John McCain if you want business as usual, dishonesty, immorality, everything that is wrong with our government. Give me a candidate who is moral, honest and has integrity and that's the candidate I want. THAT could and would change the government that has almost already destroyed America as we know it. Sara Palin's inexperience is absolutely NOT what I have against her. If she had the other qualities, which I don't believe she does, I would vote for her although I think she might consider gettingt busy studying as even I knew the name of the General in Afghanastan. More "experience" in Washington D.C. is exactly what we DO NOT need.
Another thought s/m
While I'm on a housecleaning campaign, the only woman I find more distasteful than Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton is Nancy Pelosi. She had her friends need to GO.
STILL VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!! and T. Boone Pickens.
I thought about it some more and
here's what I think: IF Obama is elected, then look out for the White Supremists, a dispicable group, IMHO, right up there with the KKK. Now........how racist am I? I hate these racist issues no matter what color they come from. We are ALL God's children, yellow, red, black and white, we are precious in his sight. So why can't the Black Power AND the White Supremsts let it go already????? Why can't we be just AMERICANS, not African-Americans, not Vietnamese-Americans, not Irish-Americans, not Chinese-Americans.......just AMERICANS????????????? Can you answer me that? Oh, I know, it's politically correct to say AFRICAN-Americans. Nonsense.
VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!
Just when I thought there could not
possibly be anyone more cartoonish than W. -- and there she is!
Just a thought
I am suspect of everything I hear and most everything I see when it comes to politics. I saw some of these people speaking with the media. If they were bribed, whiy do you suppose they got in front of the TV cameras. Our politicians (notice pleural) are so corrupt I wouldn't put anything past them to try to swing the vote and people like blind sheep just follow along.
just a thought...
what's sad and pathetic is that the press everywhere, not just America, reports what stirs people up. the fact that most Americans are working and struggling to make ends meet and put food on the table, and try their best to do what is right and make choices based on what is best for our country, is not considered newsworthy. So what everyone sees is the few loonies who are not at all representative of the majority of Americans, but isn't it fun watching them on the news! It will be a huge relief when this election is behind us, whatever the outcome.
i never thought of it that way
"They sure go to a lot of trouble to fight against something they don't believe in."
gourdpainter - i definitely will remember this; it applies to many areas of life where one should stop the conflict and just 'be'. is it the painting of gourds that lends itself to such peace and sagacity? if so, i will begin painting them today! your wise observations never fail to enllighten and many times amuse. when i see your tag, i know the post will be worth reading!
I thought it was ee-jot........nm
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no it's not but thought
share their experiences... i did not demand... just asked if anyone is willing to share...
i thought
that meant "see message"... please correct me if i'm wrong.
I thought that for a while but....sm
I still think a lot of bad things about Obama and his aquaintances, however I don't think he is the antichrist. He may be a predecessor or an accomplice? But the thing is this - the US isn't the center of the Universe - the antichrist doesn't have to happen to be OUR president. When the end happens it will be nationwide, not just in the US. Many countries have been suffering unbearably for decades and even centuries. Look at the starving children in Africa and all the suffering all over the world. Certainly I desperately do not want us to suffer as well, but we are not the center of the Universe and just because we may end up suffering doesn't mean that is Armageddon. If so, then I guess these other poor countries have been in Armageddon for a long time. I am sure it is all related to the UN though, and someone is bound to emerge in the not so distant future who is the antichrist, but I don't really think Obama is him.
Just a thought -
I just realized something. If we all keep staying on this board so much, none of us will have to worry about sharing wealth with other people because we will need it to trickle down to us!
Okay...I don't believe I said I thought
that ad was sexist. I said a woman being interviewed on TV who was a democrat and Hillary supporter felt that it was. As a McCain supporter....all I said was I hope more of them found it sexists regardless of what I thought because it would help McCain. LOL!
Just a thought..........
 I think we are all bushed; now, after all this bickering, I, as a democrat, feel like a 'sore winner. ' Yesterday a poster used this term and is accurate.
I suggest that we all take a couple of days a break from the politics board to cool down. I will do this. So long!
Okay, here's a thought for you
Obama wants to eliminate coal. Doesn't even think about clean coal. Why?
My husband would like to know: We have 250 years of coal for heating and power plants. Why abandon the coal industry?
How many people are killed in interstate truck traffic/automobile accidents because people are driving on the interstate at unsafe speeds?
How many people are killed in coal mines every year?
How many people are killed in other industries like steel, airlines, etc.?
How many people are killed in vacation accidents, be it a boat, surfing, fishing, swimming, etc.?
The bottom line is, less people are killed every day in activities they choose to do. Coal has less deaths than any of the above. Yet, coal accidents hit the front pages all the time. A coal mine accident where 1 person dies is too much, yet it's better than the above.
Obama wants to take away the most important resource we have in this country. Coal mining is one of the safest industries we have. If a few people die in mines, what makes it any better than other industries that AREN'T pasted all over the front pages?
He doesn't agreeagree with doing away with coal. Why not hydroelectric? What's wrong with that?
Can anyone explain why coal should not be used at until we find an AFFORDABLE alternate energy for everyone? Solar is not affordable for most people. We have been trying to figure out an alternate source of energy for our own home for the past 3 years. Since we are in the NE, solar would not work for us. Coal Does.
Anyone want to comment?
That very same thought not only...
...crossed my mind, but right now, it's the only thing I have remaining to COUNT ON! 
TY for looking that up. I thought I had
heard considerably more than that about 5 years ago, but maybe some changes and personnel have been made since then. I know I heard the Salvation Army gives 85% or 86% back into helping people and so I have stuck with them, what little I can give. Definitely not a gold Krugerrand!
Thank you - I thought I was alone
All I'm saying is I want to wait for the supreme court to decide. Is that too much to ask? All I want to know is that an INDEPENDENT party. One that is not affiliated or supported by either party to view this document.
You can look at the one that was on his website and can tell that it drips with forgery. Look closely enough and you can even see his sisters name underneath his. However, I do understand that his site took it down and fixed it up some more, but evidently someone who is filing the lawsuit has an original copy of that, so at least not all the evidence was removed.
Take that, along with his grandmother, sisters & brother from Kenya who said they were there), the Kenyan president saying he was born in Kenya. His Indonesian citizenship while he went to school there, and then coming back to America and never filing papers to be an American ciitizen. Just way way too much info doesn't sit right. (P.S. - why in the world would the hospital in Kenya where Obama was born erect a statue of Obama at the Hospital????? The pieces just don't fit right. I want the truth and I want it put out by an independent source. Is that too much to ask. Isn't that what they would want if McCain had gotten in and say there was question of if he was born in another country like Finland or Norway or any other country. And then McCain created a fake bc and put it on his website and got an organization like Swiftboat or Fox news or any other extreme conservative group to say they view it and its legit. You know they'd be screaming to uphold the constitution, so why don't they want the constiution upheld in this case? I just don't understand. In reality, I think Obama has too much power and the issue will never be resolved, but I am hoping to see the truth come out. I'll accept whatever the supreme court decides.
That's what I thought...LOL (sm)
In other words, that was just a *spout out* with no real meaning. ROFL.
I thought so. That's why...
...your posts have been so pleasant to read. Please keep posting.
Hope you have a great weekend, as well. 
I wish others thought the way you do
Most people who voted for O did it for instantaneous change. Most of them think this will happen overnight, as soon as he becomes president, and most will be very disappointed.
They voted for a man who was always upbeat and full of promises. Now that he's been elected, his speeches have changed, and I only hope those who voted for him won't be impatient for the changes he promised or this country will be in worse shape than before.
That's what I thought...(sm)
Republicans on this board are consistently whining about how dems don't want to hear their side. Well, this is a perfect example of why you don't get meaningful dialogue. When faced with a question or asked to explain a point of view you guys just clam up after shooting out some ridiculous one liner that most of the time doesn't even make sense.
That's exactly what I thought...(sm)
Yes, I do know the reasons, which I stated above. I guess you're just ashamed to admit them. And if you want to talk about being childish, how about all that name calling you seem to want to resort to instead of actually discussing an issue?
wow, that took some thought...
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See thought so
she said use Google. Gee Wiz! We know not to totally trust Google for medical terms, but she is copy/pasting history babble nonsense. Yikes!
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