They played the whole audio tape and it's HIS words

• WHAT THE HECK? Obama says himself, "I will make energy prices skyrocket" - 2 days before election. YOU ARE CRAZY TO VOTE FOR
  • "Clean coal (sic)" is a lie - Dee
    • Anything Algore says is a lie - Hmm
      • May I tell you something? - gourdpainter
        • Wow, Your idea of "modest" is sure.... - sam
        • He is neither modest or genuine - sm - hmmmm
          • As you like. Do you know him? - gourdpainter
    • I know what electricity will skyrocket means.nm - middle class
  • It's from an interview last January not today - nm
    • So what. Our electricity is going to SKYROCKET. - middle class
      • it wasn't held back. See post below - nm
    • Exactly.........and it has been........sm - m
      • Horsefeathers. n/m - gourdpainter
      • Wasn't suppressed at all - sm
    • Last January you say? - gourdpainter
      • I just went to the link and the first sentence - sm
  • At least now we know why he has been pushing so hard - for everyone to vote early
  • That is it. You all can have your change. I am sticking to Country First. - middle class
  • Yeah, his new name is Shaft - Hmmm
    • Can you dig it? - Dam straight
      • ROFL HA HA HA - :-) - nm - Hmmm
  • He said no such thing. - gourdpainter
    • Gourdpainter, WAKE UP and USE YOUR HEAD - I know you have more sense than that
      • IS THIS AN MT BOARD OR POLITICAL DEBATE?...NM - MT
        • It's POLITICAL Board, for MT boards, see Menu on your left. - NM
    • They played the whole audio tape and it's HIS words - and HIS voice
    • Listen to the video. HE SAID IT. It plastered everywhere.nm - 2 days before election. YOU ARE CRAZY TO VOTE FOR
      • Good LORD!! s/m - gourdpainter
        • There probably isn't an actual video.........sm - m
          • Because I believe NOTHING I hear - gourdpainter
            • Yet you believe what Obama has SAID previously........sm - m
              • I believe you get your information - gourdpainter
        • They must've heard it on blogcaca - Dee
          • Blog cacca is what it is! LOL - gourdpainter
        • I feel sorry for you. You are so in denial. Better buy this lightbulbs.nm - middle class
        • Sorry GP, that is what he said.. - TTMT
          • Some people believe everything - gourdpainter
            • GP - I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from - Trying to understand
              • The reason I don't believe it, I will be happy to share with you. s/m - gourdpainter
                • I respect your opinion - see message - Too sad
            • Fox news and CNN. I just watched it. - middle class
            • Newspaper interviews are not usually video taped. nm - m

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Police Report: Skoien with Two Prostitutes

Inverness Police say former Cook County Republican Chairman Gary Skoien admitted having two prostitutes in his children’s playroom when his wife walked in on him early Sunday morning.

The allegation is in a domestic battery report from Skoien, 55, against his 36-year-old, 5-foot-4-inch, 110-pound wife. He said she beat him with her fists and an electric guitar.

But Skoien said the police report inaccurately stated that he had prostitutes in his home. Skoien said he and a friend were talking in the playroom when his wife came down and began beating him.

Eni Skoien spent two nights in a lock-up before being released on a $10,000 personal recognizance bond.

The police report said Skoien had cuts and blood on his hands and there was blood on the walls and stairs near the playroom.

The police report said Skoien “told [the responding officer] he did in fact have prostitutes with him in the playroom when his wife caught him.” The playroom looked like “a struggle of some kind took place there...There were items turned and tossed around the room,” the report said.

“That’s how it was reported to us,” Barrington/Inverness Police Deputy Chief Jerry Libit said.

Allies of Mayor Daley blasted Skoien four years ago when he offered a $10,000 “bounty” four years ago for information that would lead to Daley’s conviction on corruption charges.

The remark got Skoien fired from his real estate job, cost him a seat on the Metra board and prompted calls for his ouster as party chairman, He survived a re-election vote, serving from 2004-2007 as chairman of the GOP, which has not elected a member countywide in 17 years.

Current Republican Party Chairman Lee Roupas said, “It’s an extremely disappointing and unfortunate situation, if the allegations prove to be true.”

Skoien was an aide to former Gov. Jim Thompson and serves as Palatine Township Republican Committeeman.

He said he and his wife of 13 years have been living in separate sections of the house for a while and getting counseling but that he went to police after she hit him last Tuesday while he was brushing his teeth.

“I went to the police to find out what I should be doing,” he said.

On Sunday night, he said his wife was driven home from a function and she went to bed. Skoien called a friend who came over and they were talking in the playroom when his wife woke up and began beating him with her fists and “a hard heavy electric guitar,” he said.

“I called police because I thought I was going to be killed,” Skoien said.

Skoien went to talk to the arresting officers Wednesday after his stories hit the news, trying to convince them that he did not confirm his wife’s contention that she found him with prostitutes.

“If there were hookers, I’m not sure why the police didn’t arrest me -- that’s illegal too,” Skoien said.

He said the officer stuck to his contention that Skoien nodded in affirmance when told his wife’s version of events. Skoien said he disagrees.

Skoien obtained an order of protection that prohibits his wife from having any contact with him or their three children, ages 5, 7 and 8, he said.

Which she is constantly doing.  She tried to make this all about race.  Shameful and I am sure a lot of blacks would agree. I heard Larry Elder talking about it and he agreed.  I wonder what Bill Cosby would say.  She needs to stop doing that.

http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-has-played-voters-for-fools.html 

To think that conservatives have viewed Bill and Hillary Clinton as unethical politicians who would do anything to get elected. When we are as disgusted as we think we possibly can be, on to the political stage steps Barack Obama. The senator from Illinois makes Bill and Hillary look “not quite so bad”.
     Though they enjoyed paling around with Yasser Arafat, we didn’t have the all-consuming fear that they would completely sell-out Israel, nor did we have to worry about them supporting infanticide, though they saw nothing wrong with partial-birth abortion.
     Yes, Obama keeps his pants on when away from his “bitter-half,“ Michelle, but that’s not much comfort when he has campaigned for Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga who made a pact with Kenyan Muslims to institute Sharia law.
http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-funds-odinga-who-promises-sharia.html
     Thomas Sowell has written an article in National Review describing how Obama has played the American people for fools.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTQ5YTM3M2UzMjY3N2M3YWRiMDI0NzNmMTNhNjJlNTc=

     “Although Senator Barack Obama has been allied with a succession of far-Left individuals over the years, that is only half the story. There are, after all, some honest and decent people on the Left. But these have not been the ones that Obama has been allied with — allied, not merely ‘associated’ with.
     ACORN is not just an organization on the left. In addition to the voter frauds that ACORN has been involved in over the years, it is an organization with a history of thuggery, including going to bankers’ homes to harass them and their families, in order to force banks to lend to people with low credit ratings.
     Nor was Barack Obama’s relationship with ACORN just a matter of once being their attorney long ago. More recently, he has directed hundreds of thousands of dollars their way. Money talks — and what it says is more important than a politician’s rhetoric in an election year.
     Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger are not just people with left-wing opinions. They are reckless demagogues preaching hatred of the lowest sort — and both are recipients of money from Obama.
     Bill Ayers is not just ‘an education professor’ who has some left-wing views. He is a confessed and unrepentant terrorist, who more recently has put his message of resentment into the schools — an effort using money from a foundation that Obama headed.
     Nor has the help all been one way. During the last debate between John McCain and Barack Obama, Senator McCain mentioned that Sen. Obama’s political campaign began in Bill Ayers’s home. Obama immediately denied it and McCain had no real follow-up.
     It was not this year’s political campaign that Obama began in Bill Ayers’s home but an earlier campaign for the Illinois state legislature. Barack Obama can match Bill Clinton in slickness at parsing words to evade accusations.
     That is one way to get to the White House. But slickness with words is not going to help a president deal with either domestic economic crises or the looming dangers of a nuclear Iran.
     People who think that talking points on this or that problem constitute ‘the real issues’ that we should be talking about, instead of Obama’s track record, ignore a very fundamental fact about representative government.
     Representative government exists, in the first place, because we the voters cannot possibly have all the information necessary to make rational decisions on all the things that the government does. We cannot rule through polls or referendums. We must trust someone to represent us, especially as President of the United States.
     Once we recognize this basic fact of representative government, then the question of how trustworthy a candidate is becomes a more urgent question than any of the so-called ‘real issues.’
     A candidate who spends two decades promoting polarization and then runs as a healer and uniter, rather than a divider, forfeits all trust by that fact alone.
     If Ronald Reagan had attempted to run for president of the United States as a liberal, the media would have been all over him. His support for Barry Goldwater would have been in the headlines and in editorial denunciations across the country.
     No way would he have been able to get away with using soothing words to suggest that he and Barry Goldwater were like ships that passed in the night.
     If Barack Obama had run as what he has always been, rather than as what he has never been, then we could simply cast our votes based on whether or not we agree with what he has always stood for.
     Some people take solace from the fact that Senator Obama has verbally shifted position on some issues, like drilling for oil or gun control, since this is supposed to show that he is ‘pragmatic’ rather than ideological.
     But political zigzags show no such moderation as some seem to assume. Lenin zigzagged and so did Hitler. Zigzags may show no more than that someone is playing the public for fools.
     Some people who see the fraud in what Obama is saying are amazed that others do not. But Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe. He does that very well.”

     Right on, brother! Right on! It’s refreshing to see a black conservative who stands on principle and doesn’t support Obama just because of his dark pigment. I’m speaking of you, General Powell.

Posted by Debra Moore at 4:00 PM

Who leaked the story to the Times to begin with?

I remember way back when Bush and his people lied to the world about Saddam and uranium.  They purposely leaked the story to the NYT, who made it public just before they all hit the Sunday talk show circuit so they could refer to their own leaked story in the NYT as part of their propaganda.

This is an old story.  Ron Suskind has a book that just came out that describes this known practice and says in his book that Al Qaeda has known for some time now what the US is doing and that it hasn't been working very well for some time now and the US need to develop a new strategy.  I'm guessing they already developed that new strategy and are already implementing it, rendering this a NON story.  There is no doubt in my mind that the White House leaked this story to the NYT so they could then come back and smear the press.  An added bonus is that the left and the right are now battling more than ever.  That's what the *Uniter/Decider* likes to see happen.  And, as usual, the dimwits of his base are buying it hook, line and sinker.

Below is what I talked about above regarding their leak and appearances on the talk shows. 

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3057

On September 8, the Miller/Gordon story about the aluminum tubes appeared on page one of the New York Times. The information was attributed to unnamed administration sources. That same morning, Vice President Dick Cheney was interviewed by Tim Russert on NBC's Meet the Press. Cheney mentioned, vaguely at first, Saddam's efforts to acquire the equipment he needs to be able to enrich uranium to make the bombs. Russert, familiar with the Times story, prompted his guest: Aluminum tubes.

Cheney replied: Specifically aluminum tubes. There's a story in the New York Times this morning--this is--I don't--and I want to attribute the Times. I don't want to talk about, obviously, specific intelligence sources, but it's now public that, in fact, he has been seeking to acquire...the kind of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge.

When Bob Simon heard about this interview, he told me, he smelled a rat. You leak a story to the New York Times, he says, and the New York Times prints it, and then you go on the Sunday shows quoting the New York Times and corroborating your own information. You've got to hand it to them. That takes, as we say here in New York, chutzpah.

You'd have to hear it yourself to get the correct context.  The caller was not even talking about reducing the crime rate, Bennett brought this up out of the blue, and he says I do know... before he made the comment, NOT making a reference to Freakonomics but his own opinion.

From the September 28 broadcast of Salem Radio Network's Bill Bennett's Morning in America:

CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.

BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?

CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.

BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.

CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.

BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --

CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.

BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.

From http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0905/relief.html

(My personal favorite part of this whole thing is the *trademark* sign next to *True Christians*)

Help Us Send Bibles to the Victims of Hurricane Katrina!

Faith-Based Response

Freehold, Iowa - Landover Baptist Church members have been glued to their television sets for the last few weeks, watching survivors of God's powerful hurricane (named Katrina by secular meteorologists) try to make sense of their ravaged lives. When you live in an area of the world God despises, and He gets ready to blow it off the map, you'd best duck low or high tail it out of town, says Pastor Deacon Fred. The Bible teaches us that when it comes to wiping out sinners, God has a history of having some pretty bad aim. This time I understand He knocked down a few church steeples and even took some good Christian folks back home with Him to Jesus. 

What saddens members of the Landover Baptist community the most however, is that the unsaved world is hell-bent on doling out artificial optimism to the victims of God's latest attack.  They are providing food, money, gasoline, and shelter, says Pastor Deacon Fred. These are temporary gifts that give these poor lost people a false hope!  The only real hope comes from the Word of God!  The Holy Bible! These folks need to get fed and sheltered on the Word of God.  We daresn't open our doors to the homeless, because we know it never gets at the real source of their problem, and we always end up with dirty floors. 

How are the lost of Katrina going to understand why God did this to them if they don't have a Bible to read? says Pastor Deacon Fred. How are they ever going to be able to prevent it from happening to them again, if they are not able to study the Word of God?  Through the Bible, history teaches us that God has serious issues with large cities that condone prostitution, abortion, homosexuality, mixing of the races, sexual promiscuity, drunkenness, idol worship, practicing false religions (voodoo), and loud pulsing music. Some of them folks in New Orleans, were luckier than Lot's wife though - they stayed behind even though they received the message to get out, and God spared their lives.

It is understandable that the survivors of God's hurricane are confused, starving, homeless, and distraught - but as True Christians™ we know without a doubt in our hearts, that giving them food and shelter is not going to solve the biggest and only real problem in their lives. In fact, it will turn them into beggars and make their misery even worse.  The issue that caused their condition is not an earthly condition at all.  We know that it is an eternal condition, and there is only one sweet balm to soothe a lost soul who has no respect for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.   And that is getting a Holy Bible KJV 1611 into their hands. From what I've seen of these survivors, I doubt many of them know how to read, so we will be sending Bibles on tape for them as well, says Pastor Deacon Fred. They can play the Bible tapes on the boom boxes it looks like they made it a priority to salvage or loot.  

Landover Baptist's effort to assist in providing Bibles to victims of Hurricane Katrina is known as a, faith-based response. It is our heartfelt hope that some worthwhile people might be saved from a destruction much more powerful than God's hurricanes - for they are but a precursor to what is really going to happen on that great and glorious day when He finally gets so ticked-off He just blows up the whole world.

So help us by sending a spiritual relief offering of no less than $100 (we do not accept checks, so please send cash, or money order) to:

BIBLES FOR HURRICANE VICTIMS
Landover Baptist Ministries
777 Soulwinner's Lane
Freehold, Iowa

If you are paying by credit card, please address your payment to:
Wexler Offshore Holdings - Care of Landover Baptist Ministries

What Will Be Done With My Faith Based Response Donation?

Each $100 gift will absorb the cost of printing and recording *Bibles, and packaging. 

Care packages to New Orleans flood victims will include the following:

• 1 King James 1611 Bible or Bible on Tape
  
• 1 Chick Tract (Assorted)
  
• 1 Self Addressed Stamped Envelope
  
• A small insert containing instructions on where to send a financial love offering of thanks to the Landover Baptist Church once the recipient of the care package gets back on their feet and receives their first paycheck.  

*Disclaimer:  If Landover Baptist receives reports that hurricane victims are using the pages of our Bibles are for hygienic purposes, such as toilet paper, we reserve the right to end this faith-based response effort immediately. 

Still on this board!!!  Tell me how what you said below is the same as:

As far as Iraq, of course, you twisted that all out of context.  Lurker asked if I would go to Iraq to help rebuild and I said yes, if I could I would, but please don't tell the truth and continue to twist because you are twisted.

Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all. NM

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Posted By: MT on 2005-08-24,
In Reply to: Ridiculous...I think not - Lurker

Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all.

Not *would* join.... WILL JOIN.  WILL GO AGAIN.  WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those who believe in telling the truth can easily see the distortion.

*announced* and *Bin Laden.*

Clinton announced to AMERICANS that he was specifically targeting Bin Laden.  Remember him?  HE was the guy responsible for 9/11, and HE is the guy that Bush ignored to instead invade Iraq.

Clinton wasn't targeting average Americans who are trying to pay off their J. C. Penney bills, and Clinton never used intimidating tactics towards American citizens.

Bush doesn't know how to do anything BUT use secrets, intimidation and fear tactics.

guffaw.

Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

I'd love to know why I should have to bail out anyone.  If my husband and I overextended ourselves and spent like drunken sailors we'd have nobody to blame but ourselves.  So in that same concept we should turn to someone and essentially hand the bill for it over to him/her?

Also, as a Texan, we'll now be on the hook for billions (per the radio) from Ike.  My husband and I don't HAVE a billion here, a billion there.  They throw around million, billion, and trillion like it's petty cash!

there are no facts to support your claim.  You guys just spout out anything...LOL.

I agree with everything you said.

I think that lumping people together and making gross inaccurate generalizations does nothing but prevent any intelligent discourse from occurring, and that's very sad because these issues are very serious.  Our very ability to keep BREATHING may be in jeopardy, particularly if we don't start concentrating on our own safety. Bush  has made Iraq much less safe place to be, and he hasn't done much to make the United States a safe place to be.  If we truly NEED our military someday to protect US in a homeland attack, where will they all be?

What also worries me is that our enemies might consider this a bilateral "religious" war.  They already believe it is, yelling and effecting "Jihad."  But the current focus on one particular brand of Christianity in this country -- not religion in general, but one particular BRAND of Christianity -- makes me wonder if Bush himself doesn't think this is a religious war.  The fact that he might think so is what scares me the most, as history tell us they are the most deadly, bloody wars of all. I personally don't want the U.S. to be known as a "Christian" nation.  One of the things I love the most about this country is the freedom that we're SUPPOSED to have to worship freely, and I will personally oppose anyone who tries to take that away from us.    

It's sad that tolerance and respect aren't in more people's hearts and souls.