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This is so totally untrue. How can you just make things up like that? NM

Posted By: MT on 2005-08-18
In Reply to: They not only *prey* on young people - Libby




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This is unbelieveable and ridiculous - your comparing two totally opposite things
You cannot compare the two. You evidently approve of the bible studies and that is fine. There is nothing wrong with a bible study if you keep it under a certain number.

These people are assembling more than 15 people in which case they need to get a license according to the law. There are certain rules why (fire codes, etc). This is being done on a regular basis. Therefore it becomes a business.

The playground for the kids have a license and is zoned for such.

The "folks at the airport for their plane. Lawbreakers?" Are you for real? That is what the airport is for. It is zoned for that and they pay their fees to whatever state, and they abide by the laws.

It's not what they are doing in their home. It's that they are assembling a large congegration of people on a regular basis in a home that is not zoned for the business.

You cannot compare this with a playground, airport, or a tupperware party (which occurs on an infrequent basis here and there).

Having a social event like scrapbooking, tupperware party, having some friends over to watch a sports game is a whole different issue (unless they have it on a weekly basis with open bar and more than 15 people - in which case they need to get a license and follow the law). It's not that we hate what they are doing. That has nothing to do with it. The law is specific and they are breaking the law.

Here's a question for you...if I lived next door to you and I belonged to a Wiccan group would you mind me having 20 or so people over every week so that we could have our ceremonies to celebrate our wiccan holidays and rituals. Would you mind that 20 or so people were in the backyard next to yours completing our ritual of praying to the moon goddess (or whatever gods/goddesses for the ritual) at night. Sometimes we build a fire and dance in circles and chant our prayers. Would you mind that. Some groups even complete their ceremonies in the nude. Would you be fine with that?

It's very simple. The law states that if you have over a certain number of people that hold regular meetings/functions you need to have a business license and follow the law. It doesn't matter what they are doing. They need to follow the law.
Two things I just heard that make her look better all the time!

#1:  Democrat Senority Minority Leader Harry Reid actually suggested to Bush that he nominate Harriet Miers.


#2: Some of most radical conservatives are beginning to whine about it.


Could it be that Bush, reminiscent of Rumsfeld's assertion that You go to war with the Army you have, realizes that he came into office with the Supreme Court HE had and is trying to maintain the structure of the court, and, in doing so, is actually doing something FOR Democrats??


I wonder how much his approval ratings will increase if Harriet Miers indeed turns out to be someone who is REASONABLE.


I'm pretty sure I make more than you... I just want things fair. nm
stupid
Don't make it sound like pubs are making things up.
Yes, the Fairness Doctrine occasionally comes up, but who is it usually brought up by? Nancy Pelosi herself said late last year she wouldn't mind seeing the Fairness Doctrine brought back.

It's not just noise and it's not just imagination. We all know it most likely won't ever happen again, but don't be fooled that there aren't people in our own government that think it's a good idea.
why do we vote for people to make things complicated?
People who make their bills 900 pages should be rejected on the spot.  There should be a page max to make sure that the people representing us fully understands what they are getting US into.  JERKS!!!!  thanks for showing me that!
Very untrue colors
We don't "win elections"?  Totally untrue.  If that were true there would be no democrats currently or ever in office.  Try lying about something that is harder to disprove.  Bush is very good at it.
Oh, my dear, that is so untrue.

General Giap of the North Vietnamese army wrote his memoirs after the war.  He posted that the antiwar movement in the United States gave the North Vietnamese hope after Tet, when they were decimated and ready to surrender.  It gave them hope, prolonged the war, and eventually led to our precipitous departure.  No, I am afraid you are wrong about your facts.  Here's the post from the 1st Cav. 


Tet Offensive -- Monica
what are the cause and effects of the TET offensive? and who won this campaign? I don't really get this event! can someone tell me the story in a easier version?  I am in the 9th Grade. Monica,   


Here is an answer to a very complex question.  The Tet Offensive of 1968 was an initiative of the North Vietnam Army to have the civilian population of South Vietnam join them in their offensive and efforts to overthrow the South Vietnam Government, forcing the withdrawal of the United States Armed Forces.  


The Tet Offensive of 1968 was conceived by General Giap, commander of the North Vietnam Army and his staff.  General Giap earlier in his career planned and executed the battle at Dien Bien Phu which drove the French out of Vietnam in 1954.  During the battle of Dien Bien Phu, General Giap stated  he was willing to lose 10 men for every 1 enemy soldier killed, which indicated that a person's life in Vietnam was cheap.

By the end of 1966, North Vietnam had suffered large causalities in manpower and supplies through the bombing of the North and the fighting in the South. They consider the war was at a stalemate. North Vietnam would need a major victory if they would continue on with the war. Thus the planning for what is known as the Tet Offensive began with General Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) and his staff.


The battle of Khe Sanh (Jan. 21, 1968) was the prelude to the Tet Offensive of January 31, 1968.  The battle at Khe Sanh was similar to that of Dien Bien Phu in which the Vietnamese had surrounded their enemy and cut off all land routes for supplies and evacuation.  Khe Sanh had two objectives besides the obvious objective in defeating the Marines.



1. Diversionary tactic to draw American attention away from the cities of South Vietnam and more towards Khe Sanh.


2. Remind the people of South Vietnam of another battle that took place 14 years earlier at Dien Bien Phu, which would encourage South Vietnamese to join the VC in throwing out the Americans as they did with the French.


The North Vietnamese Army fought the battle at Khe Sanh and the National Liberation Front (VC) fought the Tet Offensive, which attacked the cities and provinces throughout South Vietnam.  



It should be noted that NVA units who were not participating in the Khe Sanh siege supported the VC in their attacks on the cities during the Tet Offensive.  






National Liberation Front - (Also Known As) Viet Cong or VC were comprised of South Vietnamese civilians and North Vietnamese advisors who lived in the cities and villages throughout South Vietnam.  They were part of the North Vietnamese forces in reuniting the two countries as one. 

A cease-fire began on January 30, 1968 for the Vietnamese new year of Tet, which falls on the first new moon of January. On January 31, 1968 the Viet Cong broke their cease-fire and attacked many cities and provinces throughout South Vietnam. In Saigon, a small number  of VC (19) were able to reach the American Embassy grounds, but did not gain entry into the embassy itself.


In the Northern part of South Vietnam, the city of Hue was taken over by the V.C. and executions of city officials and their families took place.  The initial reporting indicated the number of people executed was in the thousands (2,300 persons executed in and around Hue during Tet 68 - Time Magazine 31 Oct 69).


Saigon was the center for most if not all of the news agencies that were covering the war in South Vietnam.  Tet offensive of 1968 was the first time, during the war, that actual street fighting took place in the major cities.  Rear support personnel and MP’s did the initial fighting by American troops until support from infantry and armor could arrive. These men did an outstanding job in defending the cities, airfields and bases along with the embassy. The news media were able to capture this street fighting on tape in addition to the attack on the American Embassy. This new offensive was immediately brought into the homes of American families through reporting by television and the press. The sensationalism of this reporting brought forth a misrepresentation of the actual facts that took place during the Tet Offensive of 1968. The reports led the American people to think that we were losing the war in Vietnam and that the Tet Offensive was a major victory for North Vietnam. This was not the case. The VC suffered such high casualties that they were no longer considered a fighting force and their ranks would have to be replaced by North Vietnamese regulars. The civilian population of South Vietnam was indifferent to both the current regime in South Vietnam and the Viet Cong. The civilian population, for the most part, did not join with the VC during the Tet Offensive.


The Wall Street Journal published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded It was essential to our strategy, referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. Mr. Tin surmised, America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win. Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) had advised him the 1968 Tet Offensive had been a defeat.


The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive of 1968 became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism of the news media.   The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America's resolve to win the war.   The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course.


From 1969 until the end of the war, over 20,000 American soldiers lost their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve to win.  The sensationalism by the American news media and the anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive gave hope to Communist North Vietnam, strengthening their belief that their will to succeed was greater than ours.  Instead of seeking a successful resolution at the Paris Peace Conference following the disastrous defeat of the 1968 Tet Offensive, they employed delay tactics as another tool to inflame U.S. politics.  This delaying tactic spurned further anti-war demonstrations.  Those who sensationalized their reporting of the war and those who supported anti-war demonstrations are guilty of giving our enemy hope. Because of their actions, they must share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths. 


We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.


I seriously doubt it is untrue.
Emotions are running way too high, especially in the Republican rallies, and I DO watch them.  If ever there was a plant in the audience it was the black man that stood up and said, "please, sir, I'm begging you....."  Notice Mc went up and hugged him and then addressed the poor woman who was "scared" of Obama because he was a terrorist.  Anyone remember Mccain saying, "no, no maam, he's not."  Do any of you republicans ever pay attention? 
Looks like the "kill em" statement is untrue

I'll attach the link, but in summary the Secret Service said the "kill em" allegation is unfounded.


News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.


Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.


How much more is the Obama campaign going to invent.  First they try to make it about race when its not.  Now they try to say someone said "kill em" when Obama's name in mentioned yet nobody heard it.


It sure is getting nasty.


So untrue and so unfair. Disagree with his policies,
nm
Spew venom? Because I post rebuttals to untrue...
information or present the other side? Don't think I have called anyone trailer trash or wished anyone dead lately, which Dems have done toward me on this board. Being Independent means exactly that...not affiliated with any party. It does not remove the right to have opinions. This is a democracy, no matter how much the democrats would like to change that.

Which information that I have posted is false?

If you are truly an Independent, you would know that Fox News is the only place a conservative has to go to get anything of the conservative viewpoint in cable or broadcast news. THe others are in the pockets of liberals/Democrats and have been for years. Got a news flash for you...just because it appears on Fox does not make it untrue and just because it appears on MSNBC does not make it true.

What do the Dems post here that they have verified as 100% true? But I don't see you taking them to task.

Yes, I am truly an independent. I have been both. I have voted Democrat, but not in many years. When they took the hard left, they left me. Then I voted and was a member of Republican party. When they started leaving their conservative roots, they left me. So yes, I am an Independent. Independent of ANY party. No RNC or DNC tells me what to do or what to think.
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
Wow, my post was totally and completely respectful and yours is totally and completely not. sm
what a surprise.  Can't stand to be corrected or proven wrong, can you.  Have to call everyone a liar, don't you.  Got to tell people to stick things somewhere, don't you.   TSK TSK TSK  Anger management might be helpful.
NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less

If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)

That's right, Bush is still alive and well.  Check this out.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676


Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?


Just because you make a statement does not make it true...
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Those who make you believe absurdities can make

I am being totally serious. What would
I did not ask what you wouldn't believe. I am not being facetious or trying to set up an attack. I am genuinely curious what it would take for those that protest eligibility to hold office on this basis to change their minds.

Let's say Obama produces his birth certificate for verification. Who would have to attest to its validity for you to really, truly believe it?
no he is not hot and I think its totally sm
inappropriate to publish something like this on a magazine cover! He is the president of the United States not some wanna-be Hollywood star...(or is he?)

This is absolutely ridiculous. Sure wish they would put on a cover something he is doing for this country that is positive...but I guess this is as positive as it gets huh? Sickening
And I totally get that.

I understand your point of view and I respect that.  Yet you are one of the few feminists who has come out and said that these vicious attacks are uncalled for.  Whether or not you agree with someone or not, I just thought feminists were supposed to stick up for their fellow women.  I'm just not seeing that out of a majority of feminists.  In fact, the ones I have seen are joining in with the personal attacks.


yes, it is, but not totally.......it is about
creation versus evolution and all the discrepancies mentioned in the bible.

For instance: Who was Maria
Magdalene? What role did she play in Jesus's life?

totally agree with you sm

You are correct on all counts.  And I do agree that Bush lied to the American people to further his agenda as a warlord.  It was not about bringing democracy to Iraq.  It was about domination of the oil market in Iraq.  Bush and his henchmen are making millions out of this deal, while killing our soldiers and causing more tension in the world.  It's the same thing his father tried to do in 1992. 


It's all about greed and money. 


I wonder if a president can be impeached for lying to the American public to procure his own agenda.  If so, I hope it happens. 


Totally agree.
I totally agree that Sadam had to be taken down, kudos to the president.  What gets me is that Sadam had nothing to do with 911, and this adminstration still thinks that people are not smart enough to READ and figure that out.  Yes kudos to President Bush and his daddy for taking Sadam down he needed it; but thousands are dead because of his personal agenda - see ya in church Sunday, Dubya.
This post is totally out there
This post is totally wrong.  I am reporting you to the administrator.  How dare you post something like this.  HOW DARE YOU.
LOL.....totally clueless. So, gt.....sm
It only matters to you if a Republican's ancient ancestor was in cahoots with Hitler.  But Democrats can skate, right?  Right!  Gotcha!
I totally agree!!!!
This woman gave the ultimate sacrifice, and to me, the opinions of people like her hold more weight than almost anyone's.  She has my admiration and respect.
I totally agree! NM

That is like, so totally lame. nm

You are totally twisting what the OP said.
They said, and I agree, that there is a difference between the people looting for food, water and bare necessities than those who are looting for guns, purses, and accessories. No one is promoting people who are stealing guns and harming people.

Take it at face value, and leave the spin for the conservative board.
I agree totally
I feel sorry for the the kids, but I also don't think throwing money at the parents is the answer. I've had an example of a deadbeats in my family who get a check, but the money hardly ever benefits the children. They pocket it and spend it on their selfish desires. To help kids the best thing to do for them is free school lunches and WIC. Food stamps can be traded for drugs and sold for cash. I'm glad to see most states are going to the debit card system with no cash back ability, however, I'm sure the scammers will somehow find a way around that too eventually. I think putting the money directly to what benefits the children is better than a check.
I totally agree. It's at the very top

of my list, as well.  More importantly, I certainly hope it's at the top of Harriet Miers' list.


I can't believe you mentioned the Groene children!!  I just talked with my daughter about that very case not five minutes ago, and I brought up Bill O'Reilly's campaign regarding this issue to her. 


I don't care for Bill O'Reilly, but I do applaud his efforts in changing the sentencing, going from state to state and exposing judges who give out these ridiculous sentences.  These people deserve life or worse.


I totally agree!
And when contraceptives are outlawed, as well, there will be more pregnancies than ever!
I totally agree.
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Yup; totally agree with you.

This is totally wacho...sm
To even put this idea together is wacho much less to make a Christmas greeting out of it. These people are so possesed by politics that they are willing to use Christ to get it.

Shaking my head in disgust. Pathetic.
I totally agree, but I
just wonder how true this really is.  If a 4-year-old is navigating around on a computer and answering POLL questions, how interested is this 4-year-old going to be in BARBIE?  Shouldn't she be studying for high school finals?
To me, that's totally understandable.

If anyone hurt any of my children, I'm not sure what I would do.  If people can't count on the system to do its job, in my opinion, I don't blame them for taking the law into their own hands, and I believe they're justified.


I just wonder what a jury would do to such a parent.  As messed up as the judicial system is, I could see the parent thrown in jail while all the other abusers run free.


Totally agree!
Too bad you right wing whack jobs are selling it off to the highest bidder.
I totally agree.
Very well said. 
I agree totally. sm
And that's why I got banned.  Go figure. 
I totally agree. sm
And I don't believe I have ever asked those questions of any administration.  
Also totally agree - sm

The bigger/biggest danger that our country faces is from those who opine without being informed.


I totally agree. nm

I totally agree - she really went over the top!!!...NM
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TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
NO DEMOCRAT in the white house!!
I totally agree!

I'm not an Obama fan but I just don't think I would want the support of such a racist person as Jesse Jackson especially since he wants to castarate him.  Sheesh.  Wouldn't it have been a hoot if Obama had put Jackson in his place.  I sure wish someone would and maybe he would shut up for once.  Activist my rear end....he is just a man out to make himself heard no matter what crap comes out of his mouth.


I truly don't know how Jackson could say he supports Obama but then say what he did.  That isn't support. 


I totally agree. nm

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Totally agree on that one

It isn't my business who politicians screw behind closed doors.  I couldn't care less really.  Does Edwards having an affair make my life miserable?  No.  However, I must agree that if that information does come out and they lie about it.....that does show me what kind of person they are.  Instead of admitting their mistakes and saying sorry.....they lie about it and make things worse........that is what I don't like.


Just like Billy Boy....I couldn't care less if he stuck a cigar up Monica's yahoo, but why lie?  He could say no comment or tell us it is none of our business but to lie....different story.


I guess my biggest annoyance is the media because they thrive on finding out trash like this about people and exposing it for the world to see.  I just find it really sad that I looked at my TV last night and saw the words "BREAKING NEWS" and it was about Edwards having an affair.  Sorry....but that, IMO, shouldn't be BREAKING NEWS.


Totally agree with you too.
Right on - I would say I blame the media more than Edwards. I sit here yelling at my TV "This is NOT breaking news. The war in Georgia is breaking news, Iraq is breaking news, not this". Also that missing girl in Texas is not breaking news. They keep flashing it - breaking news, girl in Texas missing. Well she's been missing and I'm really sorry about that but that's not breaking news and if they are giving this story that much attention is she the only missing girl in America? My understanding is hundred and hundreds of kids in America are missing/abducted or whatever. So why don't they all get equal air time? Now...finding her alive or finding her body or finding the killer would be breaking news. But then again not from morning til night and never giving us any news about the what's happening in the war and stuff that is affecting us financially.
I totally agree.

But what I have heard is that he's willing to bring some change.  Of course, Joe Biden, is a representative from my own state, so who doesn't love that?  He's made Delaware famous!  Thanks Joe!!!  Make 'em sweat!!! 



Totally. Besides the B-52's likeness, the
I'm sure that win or lose for the 'pus, Tina will be making a few guest appearances on SNL in order to play part of the schoolmarm/beauty-queen/church-lady. I'm even thinking of dressing like her for Halloween this year (as are probably 100,000 other people!) If nothing else, she sure is fun to watch.