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I think perhaps you read a different article than the one posted by Lurker.

Posted By: Observer...nm on 2005-08-17
In Reply to: Ridiculous claptrap. sm - sm

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Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted...

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Lurker, was it this article?
We Won't Be Quiet. If so, I read it. It was fantastic!!! The other link was about Iraq. I will repost the link.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0901-28.htm
Great article, Lurker; thanks.

Thanks Lurker...very good read..Add this too...sm

**And for those who don't know already, Ann Coulter is a Conservative apologist who has just released a new book, and while promoting her future Best Seller, she made some off-the-wall comments just so she could get some publicity for said book. She claimed that the windows of 9/11 are milking their husbands deaths, and called them broads who are enjoying their million dollar status. To me, she isn't an alien, just another person trying to XXXX somebody else over in order to make some chump change. I don't believe for a second she means a word of what she came out with, but is just trying to drum up interest in her new product, which is for sale. And according to Amazon.com's book rankings, she's accomplishing her goal. Shrewd businesswomen? Yes indeed. On her way to becoming Satan, halfway there!**


DW, if you will look at the article I posted....
you will see some of your concerns addressed. I think the link piglet posted in her original post, where she went searching for more on Camp Cropper....that link has to do with something else, not Camp Cropper. Two different persons in charge. At any rate, Camp Cropper sends kids outside the detention area to school taught by Iraqis, not Americans, just a more moderate view of Islam also not the militant jihadist kind. It says that Sunni and Shiite teens are starting to interact and the hatred seems to be disappearing. And, as piglet rightfully pointed out regarding Venezuela and how the young people were effecting the change...so can it be in Iraq, because that is where it starts, correct? And it sounds like this commander over this detention center, with the help of Iraqi teachers, is doing just that. Not trying to convert them from Islam, just give them a different view of Islam and a choice other than violence. As you say, they are the future of the Middle East, and I think the school that Camp Cropper uses is the way to help that happen. As the Iraqi principal said...mostly they are just kids wanting to be kids. And if we can turn a few of them from jihad and toward reconciliation within their own country, then I think it is well worth the effort.

Have a good day!
That article posted above was NOT about
It was about SCHIP.

Snapshots: State Coverage Expansions, Despite Economic Downturn
Despite the economic downturn, a few states are continuing to pursue coverage expansions. States such as Indiana are expanding Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) by extending program eligibility up the income ladder. Other states are taking more unusual approaches, such as mandating children's coverage (New Jersey) or extending dependent coverage for children to young adults (Illinois and many other states).
This article you posted clearly contradicts your assertions..
Read what it says about Christianity, also.  I believe the article is stating that Hitler's belief about Jews, capitalism and communism was faulty -- used as an excuse to exterminate them.  It does not state that Hitler's three excuses for hating Jews is based on factual evidence, quite the contrary.
See the article I posted above by Peggy Noonan.

She talks about Bush's out of control spending, and she's no liberal!


Bush cut OIL COMPANY PROFITS?  Yeah... right!  Time of crisis or not, they don't care.  I'm no O'Reilly fan, but O'Reilly publicly challenged the oil companies on his show to just voluntarily take a small reduction in PROFITS during this time.  Ain't gonna happen.


For all the conservative posts on our board, I haven't seen ONE who can explain who is going to PAY for all Bush's spending.  I pity the poor person who is the next President and inherits Bush's huge MESS.  If (hopefully) it's a Democrat, you can bet the necons will be trashing him/her from the git-go, calling him/her atheist, drunk, and whatever other libel they invent between now and then.


I'm working as hard as I can because my daughter and her husband won't be able to afford to heat their home this coming winter.  There is no way I'm going to let my grandchildren, daughter and son-in-law freeze, and I'm going to try to help out as much as I can.


I've read where some of the most radical whacko evangelicals with a direct pipeline (no pun) to God blamed Katrina on lack of morals of people in New Orleans.  In the light of Rita, seems to me that God's actually targeting the people controlling the oil rigs.  Maybe God's warning that if we don't quit coveting and trying to steal oil from the Middle East's Gulf, God's going to send in a really BIG storm to destroy the oil rigs in America's Gulf.  Maybe it's God's way of telling Bush that Bush isn't listening to what God has been telling him, that we need to protect and take care of our own, and stop lying and murdering and killing for his own personal gain and that of his cronies.


Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but I become very angry at the thought of my family freezing this winter (even though they work hard and are/were considered middle class).  Hopefully, I will be able to help so that doesn't happen, but what about all the other families with children out there?  What happened to conservative family values?  They obviously don't exist if a school choose to CLOSE to conserve fuel, and oil companies keep right on churning and collecting huge profits.


Just like you, I truly hope a revolution is churning.  Someone has to start caring about regular, hard-working, underinsured or uninsured people in this country.  These are the people who are the backbone of this country, the people who do the REAL work, while the fat cats (Bush's base) sit back and get fatter and fatter with Bush's blessings!


Unbelievable! I posted an article disputing everything you said.

Now who am I going to believe?


A newspaper (that you admittedly don't LIKE) or YOU, who obviously knows more than I would ever want to know about skinheads?  You (and your party of lies and deceit) don't have an ounce of credibility, and I'd believe the NYT any day over the ignorant, bigoted, hateful likes of YOU!


In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge controversy over rape and murder of civilian Iraqis.  It certainly makes sense that a neo-nazi skinhead group would carry out these kind of brutal acts with no conscience and without thinking twice. 


Your beloved skinheads are making the rest of our very FINE military look bad, yet you defend these filthy subhumanoids. 


I'm not surprised that you're angry because apparently what was supposed to be a big secret is now being publicized.  I'm also not surprised that you're defending them.  I fully expected some from the other board to reveal their true selves when I posted the article.


You're repulsive.  Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out of.  You're leaving a disgusting slime trail. YUCK! 


This will be my last post to you.  I don't deal with hateful bigots.


Exactly, in fact, the Ann Coulter article I posted sm
has past turnovers in congress and house under other administrations. This is nothing compared to the past.
I was talking about the article you posted with no source. sm
And my point was if you believe everything that is written, well...never mind.  Rush likes to gets libs going and it looks like it worked for you.  I like him.  MY opinion is that he not what you say he is, so we will have to just agree to disagree. 
The above article posted a little messy. trying one more time

Bush vetoes children's health bill a second time


Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:11pm






 

 







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By Caren Bohan


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Wednesday vetoed a bill expanding a popular children's health-care program for a second time, angering Democrats who are locked in a fight with the administration over the budget and spending.


Pushed by the Democratic-led Congress but also supported by many Republicans, the bill was aimed at providing health insurance to about 10 million children in low- and moderate-income families. Taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products would have been increased to pay for the aid.


Bush vetoed an earlier version of the bill in October but Congress quickly passed another one that included some changes but not enough to satisfy the White House concerns.


"Because the Congress has chosen to send me an essentially identical bill that has the same problems as the flawed bill I previously vetoed, I must veto this legislation too," Bush wrote in a message to the House of Representatives.


The fight between Congress and the White House over the health bill is one in a series of clashes over spending that have arisen this year.


Bush has said the funding level sought by the Democrats for the health program would have expanded it beyond its original intent of covering poor children and marked a step toward government-run health care.


Democrats say the additional money is needed to help families who cannot afford to buy private health insurance but who earn too much to qualify for the Medicaid health care program for the poor.


"This is indeed a sad action for him to take, because so many children in our country need access to quality health care," House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, told reporters.


The bill would have provided $60 billion in funding for the children's health program over five years, compared with the current $25 billion five-year funding level.


The tobacco tax increase would raise the levy on cigarettes by 61 cents to $1 per pack.


House Democratic leaders said they will not try to override the veto right away and would vote on a bill to ensure the more than six million kids now in the program can stay enrolled.


(Editing by Todd Eastham)


(Additional reporting by Donna Smith and Richard Cowan)




I didn't say I believed it, just posted an article
I wouldn't be too quick to put words in someones mouth just for the sake of mocking them. I never said I believed it. I know it happened in Nazi Germany (holocaust). I only posted the article because when I started searching on welfare, government takeovers, and other topics, that topic kept popping up.

Do I believe it could happen. Not really. Just thought it was interesting. So,...all I said I believed was the plan to put the country on welfare. If you want to mock me for something at least mock me for what I said.
I posted the entire article, but I MUST be LYING! LOL! Link inside. sm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/30/230457.shtml
The article posted is not the complete conversation. Ever hear of Freakanomics? sm
That has a lot to do with the conversation. As usual, the MSM left out significant parts of what was said.  No surprise there.
Did you even read what you posted!
The last paragraph says it all.  Obviously some thought went into this and do you really think if he was NOT an atheist, he would not have sued by now.  There were 49,000 Google hits. I am not going to do your work for you.   At any rate, I don't care if you believe it or not. It makes no difference to me. 
I don't think you will get it...Re-read the numbers I posted...nm

I posted the link to everyone could read it...
I also saw the part where she was fired for using the credit cards for her own personal use. I thought others might like to see the article and read it for themselves since it is a topic for discussion today. I would say with her being fired, that demeans her credibility. I in no way intended to spread gossip, just posting the link since the story is out there.
I posted below when I read those two items and
ALSO read comments from other readers. Other people should read them. It's a real eye opener!
Re-read your post...what I meant was you posted...
you said he had breakfast with OBAMA bin Laden, not OSAMA bin Laden. Clearly you did not mean to..just pointing out that you did indeed type Obama, not Osama. Just like Teddy Kennedy said in speeches twice...Obama bin Laden instead of OSAMA bin Laden.

And what kind of proof do you have that Bush Sr. had brunch with bin Laden? Maybe a member of the bin Laden family, but certainly not Osama. Good lord. LOL.

And just as an aside...what proof is there that Bush Sr. was having brunch with ANY of the bid ladens??
I read on the link I posted that he lived in the building -
it said he lived there and had every right to be there. I am not sure where it is.
I read the article. sm

So are we to assume that because these two recruiters did the wrong thing, and they did, that all recruiters are bad. Maybe you, but most certainly not me.  Incidentally, I didn't see this as preying.  Preying would be them pursuing him.  He went to them several times with false stories and expressed an interest (feigned).   They were not preying on him.  I don't agree with what they did but the Army did the right thing and made no excuses for them.  I have worked with MTs who cheated on their line counts. That doesn't mean all MTs are bad.  Generalizations hurt everyone.  I just don't see it as preying. 


I read the Ann article and...
it did have some statistics in there going back to the beginning of the 1900's about turnovers in 6th year presidencies with overtones attempting to diminish the victory on Tuesday. The rest of what she wrote, as usual, was rubbish.

No matter how small people see the victory to be, it was a victory and I think a mandate for change in Iraq, followed by the economy. The common man is not doing so hot despite the nearly one dollar drop in gas prices a few months before the election.
Have not read the article yet (not sure if I will or not)
Huffington post is a bit far left for me.

I also refuse to listen to anything the Christian right or Christian left or Christian anything have got to say.

The only thing I say is I don't want to know her religion. Keep it to herself.

Seems like everyone has some motive.
Article I just read. sm
Attacks, praise stretch truth



By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago



John McCain supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.


Some examples:


MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply...She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.


THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both of these claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where McCain called Alaska the largest state in America, he could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.


MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.


THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.


FORMER Massachusetts GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."


THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January of 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.


FORMER New York MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI (from prepared text): "Then he ran for the state legislature — where nearly 130 times he was unable to make a decision, yes or no. He simply voted "present." As mayor of New York City, I never got a chance to vote "present." And you know, when you're president of the United States, you can't just vote "present." You must make decisions."


THE FACTS: It's true that Obama voted "present" dozens of times, among the thousands of votes he cast in an eight-year span in Springfield. Illinois lawmakers commonly vote that way on a variety of issues for technical, legal or strategic reasons. Obama, for instance, voted "present" on some abortion measures to encourage wavering legislators to do the same instead of voting "yes." Their "present" votes had the same effect as "no" votes and helped defeat the bills. Voting this way also can be a way to duck a difficult issue, although that's difficult to prove.


MEG WHITMAN, FORMER ebay CEO AND MCCAIN ADVISER: "Our Democratic opponents view raising taxes as the measure of their compassion and fairness."


CARLY FIORINA, FORMER HEWLETT-PACKARD CEO AND CHAIRWOMAN OF RNC VICTORY ང: "If we make the right choice, in 2013, American families will keep more of their hard-earned money"


THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.


Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.


He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes over $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.


Read the WHOLE article......nm
Constitutionally..........well, read the article.
You need to read the article again for yourself if...
you are trying to imply McCain left his wife because she wasn't pretty anymore. That wasn't the case and the article even states so. The article states..
"My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does".
That is taken straight from the article you posted. It does happen to a lot of marriages.

When he returned he was overjoyed to see her and told her he didn't look so hot himself. He bought her a bungalow near the sea in Florida and another POW helped him build a railing so she could pull herself over the dunes to the water. After that their marriage started to deteriorate.

And as Zville MT stated "We're looking for a candidate who has experience in government, not experience in marriage".

I am voting for someone who has experience - John McCain. Not someone with less experience than Sarah Palin has (who is Barack Obama).
Obviously you did not read the article...

Here is just part of it...


Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?
A cover-up in the making?

By Stanley Kurtz






The problem of Barack Obama¡¯s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s, turning fugitive when a bomb ¡ª designed to kill army officers in New Jersey ¡ª accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. Prior to that, Ayers and his cohorts succeeded in bombing the Pentagon. Ayers and Dohrn remain unrepentant for their terrorist past. Ayers was pictured in a 2001 article for Chicago magazine, stomping on an American flag, and told the New York Times just before 9/11 that the notion of the United States as a just and fair and decent place ¡°makes me want to puke.¡± Although Obama actually launched his political career at an event at Ayers¡¯s and Dohrn¡¯s home, Obama has dismissed Ayers as just ¡°a guy who lives in my neighborhood,¡± and ¡°not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.¡± For his part, Ayers refuses to discuss his relationship with Obama.































  






Whittle: Biden¡¯s Hint

Steyn: Point of No Return

Barone: Obama¡¯s Wish List

Sowell: Obama, Con

Kudlow: Reagan + Friedman + Keynes

Siegel: ¡®Mr. Big¡¯ in the Big City

Burke: The Palin Trig-ger

Blyth: Crowded Booth

Hoopes: Did W. Backfire?

Hemingway: Oliver¡¯s Insult

Schulz: Obama: Mystery Man on Energy

Hanson: An Instructive Candidacy

Moyar: 1976 Is Back

Coulson: Vouching for Obama

Goldberg: Racy Content

Lowry: Barack Obama, False Moderate





Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama¡¯s account seriously into question. When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama¡¯s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers¡¯s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago¡¯s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago¡¯s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers¡¯s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore ¡°exchanging ideas on a regular basis¡±). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama¡¯s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.

This much we know from the public record, but a large cache of documents housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), is likely to flesh out the story. That document cache contains the internal files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The records in question are extensive, consisting of 132 boxes, containing 947 file folders, a total of about 70 linear feet of material. Not only would these files illuminate the working relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers, they would also provide significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various radical organizations, including Obama-approved foundation gifts to political allies. Obama¡¯s leadership style and abilities are also sure to be illuminated by the documents in question.

Cover-Up?
Unfortunately, I don¡¯t yet have access to the documents. The Special Collections section of the Richard J. Daley Library agreed to let me read them, but just before I boarded my flight to Chicago, the top library officials mysteriously intervened to bar access. Circumstances strongly suggest the likelihood that Bill Ayers himself may have played a pivotal role in this denial. Ayers has long taught at UIC, where the Chicago Annenberg Challenge offices were housed, rent-free. Ayers likely arranged for the files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to be housed in the UIC library, and may well have been consulted during my unsuccessful struggle to gain access to the documents. Let me, then, explain in greater detail what the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) records are, and how I have been blocked from seeing them.

Initially, as I said, library officials said that I could examine the CAC records. I received this permission both over the phone and in writing. The subsequent denial of access came with a series of evolving explanations. Is this a politically motivated cover-up? Although at this stage it is impossible to know, it is hard to avoid the suspicion. I also have some concerns for the security of the documents, although I have no specific evidence that their security is endangered. In any case, given the relative dearth of information about Barack Obama¡¯s political past, there is a powerful public interest in the swift release of these documents.

I don't think you read the article.
The article specifically states -
"And while no one is suggesting that Obama seeks to exterminate people... his message of "change and unity" is the same, his methods (and marketing) are the same, his delivery is the same, and his audience reacts the same."

If I find negative on McCain I will post too (I'm still looking). I'm not insulting any posters on this board. If you don't like it just pass it by. I looked at some of your subject lines below and thought the same thing with your insults to posters, but seeing as I didn't like the subject line I just passed it by and didn't read the contents of the messages and gave not a second thought to it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect everyone's opinion whether they agree with me or not. I will read articles and if I don't like it I close it and move on. I am passing along information that I feel is important for voters to know who and what Obama is about and I want people to know who and what McCain is about.

Evidently I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm not flaming or insulting any posters on this board. I'm posting interesting articles. You can either read it or just ignore and and keep going. I'm not rude to anyone here.
Read your own article....(sm)

It said:


“How can ministers who are supposed to lead their flock to Jesus Christ instead lead them to a socialist like Obama? The truth is that most black ministers don’t have a real relationship with God and they are leading their congregations to he11. These blind leaders helped elect their black ‘Messiah’. This ‘Messiah’ happens to be the most left-wing member of the U.S. Senate,” said Rev. Peterson.


okay, you obviously did not read the article
I know you will follow the O no matter what, even while you are being led into the re-education camps you would still support him, so therefore by your comments I do not believe you even read this article (maybe a couple lines).

David Icke is not just some Harry off the street. He is a writer from England and also holds conferences around the world. He has been researching and studying and writing for the about the past 20 years who and what is controlling the world. He is member of the Green Party in England (i.e. a liberal party). He has researched and written about world leaders. I have a couple books of his and he gets you to open your mind and look at what is really going on.

What kind of statement is "you either love him or hate him - there is no in between for Obama". Where'd you hear that? The View? Oprah? Sounds like something one of his starry eyed worshippers would say. That statement is also total crap! I think overall Obama is a likeable guy. Good looking, nice family, eloquent speaker, cute little girls. However it's his policies people don't like. We will know after 12/1 whether or not he will still be POTUS. I have a sinking feeling the bc issue will be swept under the rug. Imagine that...America will have it's first Kenyan President. Doesn't that make you so proud that our country will ammend the constitution so this person can stay in. It sickens me that people will accept this, but if it was on the republican side, like say Arnold Schwarteneger they'd be livid. EVERY SINGLE citizen should be saying - wait a minute here. The president needs to be American born AND a citizen of this country. They should be outraged that the O refuses to prove he was born in America and has a legal team seal his bc, school records and every other piece of information that will show he is most likely not even a US Citizen (remember when foreign citizens move to America they have to apply for citizenship and he has not done that). But his worshippers are all buying it because it means the first black man will be president. They are all too busy trying to be PC and somehow show the world they are not prejudice because they voted for a black man that they will destroy the constitution to do so.

How Obama has broken his promises. He doesn't need to become president to break his promises.

First, he campaigns on his message of "change" in the white house. He is bringing NO change - NONE, NADA, ZIP - In other words "no" change. He's brinking all the Clintonites in. What the heck is going on???? We finally got rid of them all and those horrible 8 years, then we have the Bushes and those horrible 8 years and no he's dragging back in the worst times of our lives with those Clintonite ninnies again. That is not change! And that is how he is breaking one of his promises.

Second, he campaigns and tells America he will bring the troops home immediately. Well he's not doing that. He's leaving them there and will be moving them around to other dangerous countries. He's already come out and said that. But he duped the people by saying phrases like "timeline" and "based on security conditions". Maybe he'll bring them home for a short LOA, but they will go back, or worse to a more even dangerous country. But because it's the O, people will say that's okay. But hold on - he is building up a Civilian National Security force, so am sure those will be going to fight too.

Third, he tells us he's going to tax the rich. Now he's saying he's not going to tax the rich until about 2011. However, in the meantime he's going to need more money to pay for all the welfare and other programs he is handing out, so now people like me and my family (the middle income making between $30 to $60K) will be taxed even more. But tax the rich? Heck no. Those are the same people who are grooming him. Nobody has ever taxed the rich. They have always promised they would during campaigns but they never did. So the O will be no different.

So those are just a couple of his campaign promises he has broken. He doesn't need to be president to break promises.

If he messes up?? - I highly doubt the people who voted for him will be upset. They will continue to make excuses for him.
Did you read the whole article? sm
They have released or moved over 500 detainees, probably the folks you say are entirely innocent.

Are you okay with terrorists being moved to American soil and given our rights, and then possibly being let loose here, maybe right in your town, in your neighborhood?
you obviously did not read the article -
there were democrats and republicans there for the superbowl party and they said they ate hamburgers, hotdogs, and cookies...

nowhere did I read anything about steak and champagne and caviar.

Maybe it is happening, maybe not, but the point is, the President is going to be entertaining. Look at the dinner President Bush hosted while the country was hurting - cannot even remember what all it was, but there was a huge discussion on this board about the waste then.

If you read the article, it also clearly states the conga line started after President Obama had left the party. But at the same time, I am sure not every party that every President has had would be approved of by the people - It is just news now because it is Obama, he is young, and he is black - so people are paying more attention to what he is doing.
I read another article about this and it said -=
At first, the story was that Michelle had broken protocol and touched the Queen, but later it was recognized that the Queen actually reached out and touched Michelle lightly on the back just before Michelle put her arm ard the Queen's shoulders.

I really don't care one way or another - just contributing to the conversation.
I hope you read the article

I posted above in this thread.  More and more is coming out every day.  Another regime change, only this time with nukes.  Another predetermination of the reaction of Iranian people and another delusion that we will capture the *hearts and minds* of Iranians.  Military officials threatening to resign if this idiotic plan continues to move forward. 


As far as being public enemy #___ (fill in the blank), I'm sure I'm considered one of Bush's *enemies* (any American who thinks he's nuts).  Russia (remember Putin's *soul* that Bush looked so deeply into and what it *revealed* to him) is on the side of the Iranians.  Bush will singlehandedly get the Cold War SIZZLING.  What an accomplishment, in addition to his other *achievements* during his reign as King George!


Americans apparently have no representation in Congress.  They all seem to be paralyzed. 


I'm looking at the bright side.  I think I'll go get about a dozen credit cards and max them to the hilt!  Won't be any creditors or debtors still alive and kicking by the end of the year at this rate!  May as well go out with a BANG!


Thanks for the article, PK; I'll read it when I can.

Ya really need to read the article...yes they do take up a lot of energy...sm
if she's going to brag about her *credentials* on energy and I use the term loosely, then she'd better set the example. A tanning bed is no toaster and completely unnecessary in anyone's home along with the jet she got rid of at a half million dollar loss.

Next thing you know she'll be wearing $300,000 skirts also.

She needs to practice what she preaches.
I did read the article....and the state...
did not buy the bed...she did. The mansion is almost 100 years old. The electricity had to be brought up to code anyway. What if they want to use a clothes dryer? That requires 200v as well. lol. And it costs less to operate a tanning bed than it does a clothes dryer or any other 220 appliance, because it does not run constantly. Google it. Nice try. Palin is not a fraud. Articles that use out of context statements, innuendo and half truths are a fraud.
Good read, article. sm

My cousin, who lives in Alaska, told me about this web site.  It has some interesting articles.  I enjoyed this one - here is the link/url.


http://alaskadispatch.com/tundra-talk/1-talk-of-the-tundra/121-the-world-according-to-sarah.html


It doesn't appear you read the article
There is more than one person trying to put a temporary stop until verification can be made if Obama is qualified to be president. As of right now he doesn't meet all the criteria and he was never checked out. He produced a phony piece of paper stating he was born in Hawaii when he wasn't. There are people who witnessed his birth (his grandmother). The article I posted basically states that Hawaii has sided with Martin and it proves that Barry is a liar.
Did you read the article or just look at the first paragragh?

Sounds to me like you think I am bashing Bush. I am not. Read the whole thing. There is much more.


Two small paragraphs from the article:


"It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.


Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them."


I haven't read your article.......... sm
but I will get around to it later. 

Right now, I just wanted to comment that you raised some points that I do agree with.  I do respect that OFFICE of the POTUS.  It is the highest office in the land and anyone who fills it, Obama or McCain, Dem or Pub, should have to earn the respect that goes along with the office.  There is a difference between respecting  the office and respecting the man. 

With that said, however, there are a great number of things that I admire........ Yes, I said it..... About Barack Obama.  He is very  intelligent and surrounds himself with people of the same caliber.  He is an eloquent speaker but God help his speech writers when he goes off script like he did in addressing is Civil National Security System.  He has a sophisticated aire about him that, I believe, is a large part of his mesmerizing charm on his constituents.  He has a lovely family and is apparently very proud of them, as he should be. 

So see, I'm not an Obama hater. I just don't think that he has the experience needed to fulfill the demands of the POTUS. 
NOT volunteer - you did not read the article
MANDATORY - When something is mandatory you don't have a choice. You are do what you are told.

REQUIRED - Again this is not a choice. When something is required you must do it.


There ya go - just another example you didn't actually read the article
If you read the article you would know the article talked about where Obama stands on issues.

Plain and simple truth. But guess that is kind of hard for some to understand.


Simmer down and read the article. You are
In a word, NO, that's not what he wants.
For the last time, READ THE ARTICLE.
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Read the article before you post.
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I read that article a few days ago......very
interesting indeed, considering Russian leader is urging Obama to NOT go down the road he is heading down, telling him he is basically destroying the United States!

Now, THAT'S a revelation folks!!!
Read this article on O's gun control

It's in question and answer format and some truth and examples. I think you will find it interesting.


 


http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm


READ THE ARTICLE-READ OTHER
READERS COMMENTS!!!
I would have read the article, but I hate labels! NT