This is true to a certain extent (sm)
Posted By: Zville MT on 2009-01-14
In Reply to: thought I would share and see the disputes on this... - Emily Ayn
There are a lot of great companies out there that do put money back into their company and its employees. Unfortunately, there are too many that the CEOs and their boards pocket the money and couldn't give a rat's patootie about their employees and they're the ones ruining it for everyone else. Also unfortunately, they're the ones we just bailed out with our tax dollars. Sad commentary on the way our country is moving. I like the map of the liberal brain at the end, though - that's funny!
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I think to a certain extent you are right, but...(sm)
one of the main problems we have in the region is reputation. As far as most Arabs are concerned the west is the west, with little differentiation between the US and Europe. If you look at it from their point of view, the west (Britian) took their land to give it to the Jews, and the US (also west) has been backing this decision ever since. As we all know, this has been the main contention since WWI that they have had with us. So, in that respect I believe it is very important to look at the history of the situation.
There are also problems with recent history. Bush said he wanted a 2-state solution. Publicly he denounced the advancement of Israeli settlements into Gaza; however, the settlements not only did not slow down, but actually increased the whole time he was saying this. What was done about it? Nothing -- that is unless you count Bush raising the amount of money we give Irael each year. Israel has been using this support we provide to strong arm the rest of the region for years, and reallly needs to be reigned in if we are to have any credibility in the region whatsoever.
I agree to an extent. I think she would
make a much better president than Obama or McCain. I don't think Obama can win (he's inexperienced & the media will destroy him if he gets the nomination), and our economy can't withstand McCain, who is 100% pro-free-trade & wants to expand it, more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations while screwing over working people, etc. They're already predicting $7/gal gas if McCain gets it. I originally was hoping for Edwards, then hoping for Clinton because I think that's our only chance to beat McCain.
I agree to a certain extent
I do agree that not everyone should be lumped into one group. It's being done on both sides (including myself sometimes). Especially when you are called names (pubs) when your neither a republican or democrat (I'm what I call mutt because I like a little of what every party has for ideas), but when your called a "pub" it's easy to shoot back with a reply and say (dems). Not everyone is in the same group. I do believe that there are people who voted for Obama based on what they believe he can do to help the country. But at the same time there are people who have absolutely no idea who he is, what his past record is, who is friends are, who elevated him to where he is, how he was able to beat out all the candidates that have experience and knowledge about the issues, but he was pushed ahead by the big money people (Wall Street, Bredzinski, etc) and the other candidates were squashed and had no chance without the funds that these "big money" people poured into Obama to ensure he would become president. Anyway...those people who jumped on the band wagon and would not listen to anything except he'll be the first black president, or Bon Jovi or Brad Pitt or other stars are supporting him. Those are what I refer to as the Kool-Aid drinkers. The one's who come on this site and don't talk about issues, about what's happening in the economy, what Obama's plan is. No they come on and say "he's my hero, he's the Messiah, he's makes my heart happy and makes me want to dance, he's just like us because he eats chili dogs and cheese fries just like we do". I've heard every crack-pot "reasoning" for why they "love" Obama, but never for any substance like "I like his health care policy, or he has this idea or that idea of how he is going to create more jobs, he's in the process of drawing up papers to tax companies that take jobs overseas, etc, etc. Nothing like that, just he makes me so happy in my heart I'm dancing around in joy and ecstasy". Those are the Kool-Aid drinkers I refer to. The Obots, Obamaniacs, etc.
Yes, let's give the man a chance. Let's avoid name calling and that is on both sides. When someone posts "he's just like us cos he eats chile dog and cheese fries just like we do", yes they are going to get called a Kool-Aid drinker cos that's what they are. Bringing an opinion like that to this board deserves a response like that. I remember when people who supported McCain were explaining why they supported him, they were met with such hate-filled messages it was awful and I had to take this site out of my favorites.
I say lets give the guy a chance. To tell the truth I don't think he's off to a very good start with already adding to our deficit with the huge cost of the inaugeration (and no, all that money is not being donated by rich people - some maybe, but the rest will just be added and the citizens of America will end up paying for it). Also the people he has picked for his cabinet members. Not good at all.
Yes, he is a smart man. Nobody makes it through law school if they are not smart, but you have to remember, he is a lawyer. He knows how to bend the rules, changes the laws, and maneuver out of things.
I'm not calling Obama any names, but it would be nice if people on the board started bringing real issues to the board instead of lately posted "I love you Obama, you make my heart soar, the mere mention of your name brings me joy, blah, blah, blah". Can we just stick to issues.
How about what is happening inside. People should read what's been going on with Pelosi. DH was telling me that Pelosi is upset because Obama had promised through his campaign that the wealthier people are going to pay more in taxes and now he's changed that and said he's not going to make them pay any more. So guess there's trouble brewing in the democrat party alone. Truthfully I have not read the article, but DH was telling me this yesterday, so I'll have to try and find the article (good luck to me, cos he reads about 80 or so news sites a day - everything from Drudge, MSNBC, Fox, CNN, local and national newspapers, etc) - can you tell he doesn't work :-o.
But these are the issues I want to hear.
Truthfully I am very happy for the people who voted for him. I'm glad you are all happy and giddy. I'm glad you are about to start a week-long celebration. That's all and good and I'm happy for you. But for the people who are following what is happening, who have concerns about the direction our country is taking, about the issues that Obama does not believe in the constitution and is going to try to change it while he is in office (what's next, is he going to try and change the Bible too?). For the people who are worried because there is someone who is trying to change the constitution so that there is no term limits and is fighting for Obama to be the President until his death. These are very worrisome and I am very worried for our country.
So, while I wish Mr. Obama the best, hope he will do good for the country, I am also worried. I won't (and have never called) Mr. Obama any names, but if people continue with the sillyness I will most likely be tempted to call them Kool-Aid drinkers. - Just the "cat" in me.
To a certain extent I agree....however..(sm)
LGBT issues is only a part of the whole course. It starts in K with why you shouldn't tease and then continues and doesn't hit LGBT issues until the 5th grade. This is obviously a problem in this state or they wouldn't be addressing it.
I agree that kids tease, but given today's lack of guidance in the home for kids, the schools are having to take on this responsibility just to keep the kids safe while in their custody.
In a post below you said that we didn't have to have that kind of teaching in school. You're absolutely right. We knew what not to do because our parents taught us that. My grandmother raised me for the most part. She could "out christian" the best of you. She didn't agree with homosexuality, interracial marriage, etc, etc, etc....She did teach us that it was wrong as she saw fit. She also taught us not to make fun of others no matter what. But by the same token she didn't sit there in front of us and call Rock Hudson a fag. That's the difference.
To a certain extent I agree....however..(sm)
LGBT issues is only a part of the whole course. It starts in K with why you shouldn't tease and then continues and doesn't hit LGBT issues until the 5th grade. This is obviously a problem in this state or they wouldn't be addressing it.
I agree that kids tease, but given today's lack of guidance in the home for kids, the schools are having to take on this responsibility just to keep the kids safe while in their custody.
In a post below you said that we didn't have to have that kind of teaching in school. You're absolutely right. We knew what not to do because our parents taught us that. My grandmother raised me for the most part. She could "out christian" the best of you. She didn't agree with homosexuality, interracial marriage, etc, etc, etc....She did teach us that it was wrong as she saw fit. She also taught us not to make fun of others no matter what. But by the same token she didn't sit there in front of us and call Rock Hudson a fag. That's the difference.
I can understand and empathize to an extent,
while I was able to have one child, I was not able have anymore than that due to a multitude of problems leading to miscarrying, hysterectomy and a diagnosis of SLE and a stroke at the age of 45. As for unwanted cats and dogs, I agree with you there too, but I have taken action in this situation, for over 20 years on my own with no funding at great expense to myself, I have taken in hundreds of cats and found homes, with the exception of handicapped ones, nobody wanted them so I just kept them and dealth with their handicap. The reward in this is that I have managed to save some lives, albeit it is only a cup of water out of the ocean. And I would not agree with creating embryos for the purpose of research, but I am not against using ones that will be otherwise thrown away. If it should turn out that they can save lives, I think that is a good thing. I think a line would have to be drawn, and could be drawn, but then again, somebody mentioned in a post (forget who) that God gave us domain over the animals and the human race in general has not done a very good job there though, so you could be right.
I personally think it helps to an extent...
I listened to Michelle Obama's speech and I thought she was very articulate...and they are a beautiful family. I did listen to Hillary, and in my opinion, she made it all about her. She said the right things, but I don't think her heart was in it. I think there is a LOT of bitterness there still. Bill already put his foot in his mouth, no telling what he will say during his speech. What I found very strange was the camera focused on him while Hillary was speaking, and he had tears in his eyes, and he mouthed "I love you I love you I love you." It was easy to see what he was saying. Have no idea if that was for the cameras or was a really unguarded moment. Who knows? It just seemed really out of character for him. I did notice that she said she came before the crowd a proud mother, a proud Democrat and a proud United States Senator from New York...but nuttin' about being a proud wife...lol. Who can blame her??
As to Barack and Michelle being down to earth, I know that is the message she wanted to send. But when speaking to a group of middle class-type women, she kinda messed up when she told a story about Barack getting on to her for a $10,000 bill for the kids(yes, ten thousand) and she said to him, "Do you know how much camp costs?" That demonstrates that she was out of touch with the people she was talking to. $10,000 is probably a third of what they make a YEAR if they were lucky. She lives a very different life than the middle class. She may remember it from childhood, but she has left that behind her. Not that that is a bad thing...it just demonstrates that they are rich folks just like McCain. Most politicians are. It goes with the territory. All that being said, having money does not make any of them bad people.
I missed the speech of the man from Virginia, so can't comment on that one. Bill's will be interesting. You never know what is going to come out of his mouth.
I think we will find out more about the candidates after the convention, when we have official nominees, get to the debates, and if we can sort through the mud being slung from both sides, that is where most of our information will come from.
It proves the extent of the torture that was used...(sm)
as well as shows the public exactly what the last admin did. It puts in front of the public (in particular republicans who would be against prosecuting the Bush admin) the facts. I honestly think the main point of showing pics is to gain public support for the prosecution of the last admin. I think dems are kind of fighting the battle before it gets there to make prosecution easier......but that's just my opinion.
I agree to a certain extent - see message
I too could care less who has affairs nowadays. Doesn't make me think any less or more of them. However - my little however :-) - He was not the President of the US - Clinton was. Clinton should have been removed from office (although then Gore would have been in charge, so I take that back now) :-) Anyway...it was the fact that Clinton had an affair that got him in trouble, it was the lies, manipulation, lies, and all the other illegal stuff he did that went along with it.
I don't particularly think they are being any less or more hard/lenient on this guy than they had with others who did the same thing. Remember John Edwards? The democrat who WAS running for VP? My point is more that you can't say "this guy was a republican that might have possibly run for VP the next election, and that's why its so bad", when you don't bring up Edwards who DID run for VP.
I feel this way...if it's a republican who is caught having an affair the liberals are sure dragging them through the mud, and if it's a democrat who is caught having an affair the conservatives drag him through the mud. I don't feel either side gets a free pass when it comes to being raked through the coals. I'm sick to death of hearing about this republican who had an affair about as sick as I was hearing about that NY guy, and Edwards, and that guy who got caught in the bathroom at some airport, etc, etc., but your making it sound like only the democrats getting picked on and that's just not true.
P.S. - We really don't need Biden to have an affair to have a field day with him, every time he opens his mouth and speaks he does a doozy on himself. HA HA HA
To a great extent, it is Frank's fault, previous poster correct.
Barney Frank and the rest of the democrats in charge of Congress now, will be laughing at you, too....at all of us.
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
Everything you said is true and can be
easily seen by just reading the board.
At least it can be seen by most of us.
But it IS true.
I saw a feature on it. They had videotapes of the recruiters coaching the kids on how to pass a urine drug screen. It is absolutely true.
I don't think that is true at all. sm
I think a lot of people are pretty sick of Cindy and her histrionics. I don't see it as political at all. A lot of people aren't going to sit by this time for another Vietnam where the antiwar crowd totally influenced the way the war was run.
Not true. sm
They are pro troops and pro Israel. You are definitely not reading that board right. Is it the guns that offend you? Or the war with Islamic radicals who all want us dead? I mean, what EXACTLY offends you the most?
LOL!!! Oh how true! nm
Not true
Re-upped? He joined the military because all his friends did. Read Cindy's description of how he got hoodwinked into going. Re-upped? No.
LOL. I like that...so true...nm
When in doubt, blame Clinton.
the true me
Happy and peaceful but when I deal with rabid conservatives attacking me..I attack back..Happy and peaceful in my life and in my beliefs, you bet, totally..I can sleep well at night cause I know my ideology/politics help people, I help people..I am an extremely happy peaceful accepting person..However, when I get attacked, I can give as good as I get..I do have to say, the net does not show the true person, so I dont see the true you and you dont see the true me..I have met people who I have only known in the net and when we met, we became friends..So I would take with a grain of salt the impression you get of people over the net..we are much more..
So true sm
That clip would be hilarious if it were not so true. It is frightening how true it is.
It's true. SM
I remember Nan talking about it. It was way way back when some of us used to put our e-mails on line here.
This is SO true.nm
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True that is.
Lesson good.
Even if that was true (and I don't believe it is), so what?
The one thing the radical right wing HATES is the fact that we have freedom of religion in this country. We are all free (so far, anyway) to believe in whatever religion we choose. It might be Christianity, or it might be something else. Why does it even concern YOU how many Democrats are Christian? It's simply none of your business, yet you want to jump to conclusions that may or may not be true and judge an entire group of people based upon religious beliefs, some of which might be different from yours.
This is my main problem with the radical Christian right. They don't seem to believe that other religions are just as good as theirs. They believe theirs is the best, and anyone who doesn't share their specific religious beliefs are judged to be inferior people. You want to force your narrow views on everyone, and surely you must know that just isn't going to happen in America.
However, if Americans don't wake up soon and if you manage to wreck America and turn it into a theocracy, I can and WILL move to Canada in a heartbeat to escape your religious bigotry. By the way, wasn't that the reason this country was formed to begin with -- to end religious persecution?
I can only wonder why YOU haven't been nominated for Supreme Court justice, since you seem to have the only qualification required by Bush.
Oh, that's right. You're obviously not one of his close personal *friends* who worships him like a god and licks his boots.
Why should she? It's true!
NOT TRUE!
MT was responding to a CHALLENGE to people to put their *money where their mouth is* and if they think this war is so *noble,* then why don't they either enlist or sign up for civilian services over there.
MT said she WILL. NO PROBLEM. SHE WILL.
No spin. They are her words. She didn't say *might* or *would* or *maybe.* She said she WILL.
You're the one who's doing the spinning.
I know it's not true.
Completely false and irresponsible.
Yes, well, that may be true.
And this board is intolerant and extremely violently angry.
Now this isn't true.
I am disappointed in you, PK. We had a pretty good conversation on here at one time. I actually thought there was some communication and I have enjoyed posting here. I never sidetracked anything or anyone. I was on topic. However, many of the questions I have asked her in response to allegations have never ever been answered. Why is that?
How true.
LOL! If I didn't know in advance that this paragraph was about Ann Coultergeist, I would have sworn you were describing the Conservative Board. 
I know. Everything you said is true.
I hope you have a great 4th, LVMT. 
Not true
but nice try. :)
So true.
But more and more Americans are waking up every day and seeing how they have been deceived by this administration. I doubt that any of the die-hards on these boards will ever change their minds and see what's in front of their noses, but the good news is they represent an increasing minority in the USA today. :-)
This is true, we should be able to
hear the debate, but I have a problem with Bush debating anything...he is so embarrassing whenever he speaks...so embarrassing. We NEED a STATESMAN!!! and someone who has a command of the English language. Oh plleeeeze. (thud)
Not true...
It's rare that the baby is full term, but not all ectopic pregnancies fail.
Just thought I'd clear that up. :)
K
if what you say is true
Then by golly the Republicans surely have gone downhill a long, long, long ways recently. Especially if you judged them by the surly cruel posts made by the Republicans on this board!
Morally bankrupt Republicans with Annie Coulter at the helm!!!! He-he-he-he.. That ship is gonna sink!!
This is true.
But I have noticed that you always are civil. I think you are the only one on this board who keeps a level head, even when you come to the other board. Just an observation.
What you say is true,
but their president is cutting off his nose to spite his face. If we would just give him enough rope to hang himself I think he will take himself out. I understand he has become very unpopular, ignoring completely the platform he was elected on and the people are not happy. I believe he will be deposed one way or another and perhaps we will not have to invade yet a third country.
This is true, and here's why. sm
Or at least one reason why. When Rosie O'Donnell practically glorifies Sheik Mohammed on her show, not one voice from the liberals decrying this is heard. When the protesters marched and some of the signs were horrible, then burned a soldier in effigy, and in Arizona, dragged an American soldier effigy through the streets reminiscent of Somalia, not one voice from the Democrats is heard saying this is not right. I think the whole party has slid all the way down the slippery slope and over the edge.
That is just not true.
I don't know what you are reading or listening to but I know it is not me. I never gave a thought to global warming or abortion as being associated with VT. I was comparing the deaths of innocents. I don't hate Bush and he is NOT conservative. He is a BIG SPENDER for one thing and that is not a conservative trait. I am sorry that you believe that everything I say stems from a hatred for Bush. It doesn't. I believed as I do now for most of my life, a little tempered by age, but about as bleeding-heart without being dead as one can be. You know as well as I that many real conservatives in his own party, moderates on both sides have been concerned with the spending, the incompetence over and over because friends are put into positions that they are not qualified for and they have been voicing their concern for some time. It's not about Bush, it really really isn't. It is about (in the big long-term picture) a government out of control and a country spinning out of control right behind it and no one is doing anything about it.
That is not true....
the board is not heavily "censored" and liberals and conservatives were always allowed to cross-post as long as it did not get personal. Basically, could not stand the heat so left the kitchen?
This is SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anon. this is a great article. Unfortunately it is not really funny. To me it is a sad commentary on the potential candidates and how we are seen through the eyes of the rest of the world. My hubby and I have been saying this all along. Your unknown writer just phrased it a lot more succinctly.
How true
I have not figured out why in America, some cannot drive a car at his age (obvious reasons), in the work force you would be retired (forced), and a whole slew of other things that happen at his age. Can someone explain to me why you can run for President no matter what age (over 75 that is). I would think this is probably one of the most important jobs in the country and they let old senile people run (and I'm sure the health problems he has are hidden from public view).
This is true, but...
...what about SUPREME COURT JUSTICES? It's a LIFETIME JOB. Right now, Kennedy is 71, Scalia is 72, Ginsburg is 75, and Stevens is 88!!!!
Presidents come and go (hopefully), but a Supreme Court Justice is forever! 
So true!
Wonderful post!
Even if that were true (NOT), they still had the
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Because it is true, true, true.
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WHat if it was true? At least she does not...
associate with anarchists, vote to let infants born alive after abortion die without treatment, she let the Down's baby live and it is loved and taken care of. Still puts her head and shoulders above your guy. Fight fire with fire. Not to mention ascribe to radical religious ideas (black liberation theology). Sheesh. And all you got is to attack a woman personally! Even if this WAS true it has no bearing at all on the office she is running for. How hurtful to drag a 16-year-old girl into this. How LOW can you go??
How true. Especially to those who have
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That's very true
I have learned every source has a reason for putting out information. I try to read all sides, but I find I learn the most when I read articles from people who don't live in our country but watch what's going on. We used to live 20 minutes from Canada awhile back and because we only had an antenna on our roof we only got one TV station (canadian). You sure do get a different viewpoint of what's going on in the US when you listen to other countries reporting. If I want to hear good things about republicans/bad about dems I got to Fox. Good about dems and bad about pubs I go to MSNBC. Some reporters are radical. I refuse to listen to Sean Hannity & Rush Limbaugh because they are hateful, jealous, spiteful people (and smug) and I cannot trust them to tell the truth. They tell their version of it. O'Reilly is okay sometimes, other times he's not. Keith Obermann is okay sometimes, but I stopped listening to him awhile back as he was interjecting his opinions and feelings. But I try to listen to all of them and then figure out what their motive is for what they are saying. So, I take it all with a grain of salt. One place I find a lot of information both liberal and conservative is the drudge website. They seem to have it all.
That's true..........sm
What comparative would you use? While some companies do pay much lower than others here in the US, would that be a fair comparison? Or perhaps the difference between what home-based MTs make versus in-house MTs? That might be more equitable because basically what MTSOs do is pay us less at home since we work at home and don't have the expense of traveling to work, etc.
Whatever the comparison, the question I was basically asking was would MTs accept less pay to keep the MTSOs from going under, if that were a real threat.
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