This thread is about bailing out illegals,
Posted By: (sm) on 2009-02-25
In Reply to: we bail out ceo's ...... - sm
but I don't agree with bailing out the banks and CEOs either.
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my problem with bailing them out is -
I don't see the money going to the people who worked hard. The money is going right where the money has been going, back in the pockets of the upper management. They are not planning on making changes - they are planning on doing more of the same and therein lies the problem.
I am all for helping people who need help - but I am not for bailing out businesses so that they can keep making money on the backs of other people.
Well, I'm not in favor of bailing out
people who bit off more mortgage than they can chew. Assuming they could read, they should have read the fine print. If they agreed to buy a house for a price, then they owe that amount of money plus interest. That's the way it's always been. I think the governmennt is focusing on these "bad loans" to take the spotlight off the real people...those who bought a house they could afford, have made their payments and now many are faced with losing their homes because of losing their jobs. Those are the ones who get my sympathy.
Nooo....we are not bailing out the world...
they just want us to stop the bleeding here, so the bleeding will stop there. We are not putting money directly into their markets. Where all our money is going is to buy up all those bad mortgages that Fannie/Freddie sold to everybody and their dog, to get them off banks' books so more banks don't fail...snowball effect.
I have a hard time with bailing
them out, but when I think of my mother who will lose my late dad's pension and her medical benefits.....I can't help but push for a bailout so my father's hard work of 35+ years wasn't for nothing.
I personally feel that this is a combination of things. These companies made bigger vehicles and trucks because that is what people wanted to buy....that is until gas prices went up and that changed. I believe management there hasn't been the greatest and I truly believe that unions and the money spent on them has really caused this downfall.
However, I must state that it seems to me that some of the same people who professed to vote for Obama and had no problem with robbing from hard-working Americans to redistribute that wealth to others.....so why now are some of you so he!! bent on letting the automakers go belly up? Wouldn't it technically be redistributing wealth to help keep millions of Americans in their jobs? I just find it ironic that some people say we should give our money to less fortunate and yet scream and yell when their money could go to saving millions of Americans jobs.
benefits for illegals...
Alright which party is for doing something about the illegals that are crossing our border and not just to work but to take advantage of goverment benefits. More specific which person who is running? Has this been mentioned by any of them? Let me enlighten everyone on some things. Let everyone see just how messed up this country is becoming. I live near an illegal immigrant who has found out she is pregnant. Well she went to the office where you apply for Medicaid to pay for the baby and they told her unless she could prove she was a US citizen no help. Well that is the way it should be. She goes to Georgia. They say same thing. She has now gone to Louisiana, which is not the state where she even lives either. They are going to give her benefits. They don't even check. What is the deal? She is illegal, has a job that she said wanted proof she could work in the US legally. She got around that somehow. I don't know how. She pays no taxes here. But yet she can get Medicaid? What the heck is going on here? She doesn't even live in Louisiana. She gave them someone elses address. How can the country let this continue?
SCHIP and Illegals
I do not have an article where Bush himself said it; I heard him on TV on one of those blurbs talking about it. The opposition of the Republicans is that the present bill is an expansion of SCHIP (to the tune fo 6 billion dollars) and opens the door to make it easy for illegals to get on the program legally...although some states who administer SCHIP already do it on the "honor system" and don't ask for proof of citizenship, so you tell me how many are already on it.
This is from an article that sums up what I have read:
Democratic SCHIP Bill Benefits Illegal Immigrants, GOP Charges
(CNSNews.com) - House Republicans said Thursday they hope to block provisions of a Democratic bill to expand health care coverage for poor children that could open up the coverage to illegal immigrants.
The Children's Health and Medicare Protection (CHAMP) Act would expand the existing State Children's Health Insurance Program - more than doubling it in size - and "improve beneficiary protections under the Medicare, Medicaid and the [SCHIP] program."
As Cybercast News Service previously reported, the bill has come under fire from Republicans who view its expansions in coverage as a step toward nationalized health care. Republicans are now also attacking the bill because of three sections dealing with immigration issues.
"Illegal immigrants are about to get an unexpected boost thanks to the Democratic Congress," House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said in a statement Thursday.
"The Democrats have a proposal that not only raises taxes on middle class families and slashes funding for a popular Medicare program ... it eliminates the requirement that persons applying for Medicaid or SCHIP service show proof of citizenship or nationality."
Calling the bill "poorly crafted," Boehner said the proposal would "dole out billions of dollars to states who then have the option of whether or not to verify that a person is an American citizen before providing taxpayer-funded health benefits like Medicaid and SCHIP. The bill also eliminates the current five-year waiting period required for legal immigrants to receive government health benefits."
One provision, Section 132, would remove a requirement that legal immigrants wait five years before being eligible for government-funded health care coverage, according to Republican opponents.
The other two sections have potential applicability to illegal residents. Section 143 would give states the option of requiring proof of citizenship for enrollment in the programs. Opponents say the provision allows states to "return to a system of blind trust."
As to pandering to get the Hispanic ILLEGAL vote, why do you think this bill is crafted this way from the Dems to make sure they can get their kids on SCHIP? Dems have been chasing the illegal immigrant vote even more so than Republicans...in fact, they COUNT on it. I have heard Bush talk about amnesty and that is one of the places that he and I disagree. Although, I don't think he is courting the Hispanic vote or he would not be vetoing a program that puts them right on the SCHIP rolls no questions asked...now would he??
I think it is more important to let the bill stay as-is for 6 months than to open it up as a freeforall for illegals to get their kids on it. YES, I think it is more important. I am not a Republican, but I am a fiscal conservative, and I certainly agree in this case.
And yes, before you ask, I have children. I may not have everything I want, but I can insure my kids. And I don't make $80,000 a year either...about expanding SCHIP to cover "middle income" families. They are talking about a family of 4 with total income of $80,000 a year (2 adults 2 kids) being eligible for a program that was designed to cover low income kids. THat is what...400% of the poverty level and how much higher than the median income in the US? I'm sorry, but an annual income of $80,000...there should be a way for those folks to cover their children. They are not talking about cancelling any other programs or any way to pay for this 6 billion dollar expansion other than a cigarette tax, which everyone knows will not cover it all. Yes, I think kids should have health care... but if they are going to pay for it for an annual income of $80,000 they might as well pay for it for ALL kids, period. And that is the first step toward socialized medicine, and I don't need a Democrat or a Republican to tell me that. I can see the handwriting on the wall. Do some research on socialized medicine in Canada...the pros and the cons...and see if you really want that happening here.
And if they are going to do that, they might as well pay it for everyone = socialized medicine. Be careful what you ask for. Government run medical care...I don't think you want to go there.
And, frankly, if they want to expand it to cover a family of 4 making $80,000 a year, I don't think it should be a freebie. Maybe offered at a lower rate than families who make more than that...but come on. A family making $80,000 a year should be able to insure their children. Insuring their children should be their FIRST priority. You tell me what would keep a family of 4 with annual income of $80,000 from being able to insure their children? If anything, it is because 35-40% of their income comes off the top in TAXES right now to pay for all the social programs in this country. Why not LOWER taxes to help them pay their premiums instead of taxing us all MORE to give them health care? Why not do that? But you say tax cut to a Democrat and they get apoplectic.
Perhaps it is because people don't want to prioritize and don't want to do without anything in order to insure their children, would rather spend it on something else. There ARE families who choose to do that. You are naive if you think there are not.
Honestly, if we do not control spending, and we give more and more entitlements and extend those entitlements higher and higher up the income level...can you not see the vicious circle? Are we going to extend it in another 5 years for families of 4 who make $120,000 a year because we have taxed everyone so much that now THEY can't afford to insure their children? Come on! Why not prioritize? Take all the money earmarked for social programs, put insuring children at the top, insure all the children if that is what the american people think is most important, and whatever is left, dole out to the remaining programs. Try prioritizing instead of more programs, more taxes, more programs, more taxes. I personally think that 35-40% in taxes off the top of our incomes is ENOUGH.
Stimulating Illegals
Investor's Business Daily 03/12/09
Economy: At least 300,000 of those stimulus jobs will go to illegal aliens who are likely to send that money home to their native countries. Just whose economy are we stimulating?
The stimulus package is supposed to stimulate the American economy and create American jobs, but missing from it are measures to guarantee that. As a result, say both the Heritage Foundation and the Center for Immigration Studies, hundreds of thousands of these jobs will go to illegal aliens, and much of the money they earn will not be spent here.
The original House version included a provision requiring employers to check registration status with the E-Verify system before hiring. This provision was missing from the Senate bill and was not in the final version sent to President Obama.
The Obama administration has also delayed at least until May 21 a Bush administration executive order requiring federal contractors to use E-Verify. It was supposed to take effect in January.
Last Tuesday, 75 representatives of both parties sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Minority Leader John Boehner urging them "to protect taxpayers and legal workers by including these critical jobs protection provisions in any future economic recovery legislation."
In a February report by the Heritage Foundation, senior research fellow Robert Rector looked at the 2 million construction jobs the stimulus is supposed to create. "Without specific mechanisms to ensure that workers are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants authorized to work," he concluded, "it is likely that 15% of these workers, or 300,000, would be illegal immigrants."
Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, comes up with the same figure for construction jobs based on data from the U.S. Census Bureau's Current Population Survey and other independent findings that 15% of all construction workers in the U.S. are illegal aliens.
Camarota says the total number of stimulus jobs going to illegals may be higher. At least a million more jobs are said to be created by the stimulus, and with 5% of the overall U.S. work force consisting of illegals, they could get another 50,000 non-construction jobs.
Rector sees another downside. "The fact that illegal aliens send a substantial portion of their earnings abroad reduces the stimulus effect that their employment has in the United States," he says.
Remittances, Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income after oil, dipped 3.6% to $25 billion in 2008, compared with $26 billion the previous year, according to Mexico's central bank. Will our stimulus improve Mexico's economy?
"It's outrageous that in a bill designed to provide employment for Americans, Congress has deliberately chosen to allow jobs to be given to illegal immigrants," Rector adds.
We think so too.
He wants amnesty for illegals. How is that
How is amnesty for illegals GOOD for Americans? It's NOT! Cut off the ability for them to work here. Every time they are picked up by police, ship them home. Secure the border. Compared to all the spending Obama wants to do, these are CHEAP solutions that will free up jobs for hard-working Americans. Not great jobs, no, but jobs that can help make ends meet in hard times! Jobs for the ones first laid off! Spending money on "good" causes is not what is needed during a crisis like this. Saving money and very careful spending that promotes private enterprise and hiring are what will rescue us.
I completely disagree with the Republicans who stopped the 95% taxing of the bonuses to AIG employees. That was one obviously smart thing the Dems were trying to do, and I'm furious the Reps stopped it.
I've been sending faxes to my reps on these important issues. You can too, through the Numbers USA website. Let our elected leaders know we aren't falling for their propaganda, and we know there are smarter, cheaper solutions to our country's problems. www.numbersusa.com/
Amnesty for illegals
I am amazed nearly everyday with the idiotic things that come from our government. This one about made me spit out my beverage when I heard it. Amnesty for illegals is a horribly bad idea. What message does that send to the ones who are trying to become citizens the right way. This also sends a message for more and more illegals to come our way. This is an outrage. Absolutely ridiculous! We spend billions of dollars on illegals the way that it is.
This wouldn't have anything to do with Obama's aunt or anything.....now would it? Or maybe this is just his ploy to get more votes by turning them into legal citizens. Either way.....it is an ignorant thing to do. This is one area I truly 100% disagreed with McCain on. He wanted amnesty too.
BAD IDEA!!!
My biggest concern is how many illegals are
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1 MILLION ILLEGALS have mortgages!!
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Bullhockey, illegals are paid in cash, there is NO tax being taken out. nm
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I want secure borders to keep out terrorists and illegals...
Having lived in a border state and, now, even further north, it is evident that illegal immigrants are taking over our country. We are in a financial crisis and yet, much of a social service money goes to those who do not even pay taxes on the money they earn. They sure as heck spend our taxes, though. I am not against immigrants, just those who do not do it legally. There are certain hoops that need to be jumped through and, I bleieve, are well worth it to live in this great country.
By law he can detain illegals......unfoturtunately our laws
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And yet MILLIONS of illegals are taking jobs in this
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you're wrong, S. FLA the illegals paid on the books
at least the ones I know.....the ones who did arrive with at least a visa.....and who get paid off a company payroll and not off the books or in cash is what I mean....
we'd be better off without illegals..he deserves a commendation, not a civil suit...
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heck I wouldn't mind giving illegals benefits if I could
and i'm nervous about my 3 month waiting period at my new job for health insurance!
Every thread of yours
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And, that has what exactly to do with this thread?? SM
BTW it's Western KY University. There is no Southern KY University.
The thread was that someone said he never...
talked about religion. I pointed out that he DOES.
actually this thread is about...
whether the members of military support the effort or not. you turned into something about info available when you claimed that you have more info and a more clear picture than they do and that they are "just following orders" And you are the one who didn't agree with the sentiment of the original post and started the "i don't like people who disagree with me," not dnh, when you started saying you had a clearer picture than they. You are simply out to argue and stir the pot. Not worth the effort to debate with you.
And no actually, if you follow the thread SM
I was posting to American Woman.
I read this whole thread here. sm
MT was very careful to say it was not word for word. Gosh, all the calling people liars. It's terrible. She said it wasn't word for word more than once. How about recalled incorrectly? Liar is a horrible word and I have been called it so many times on these boards for no good reason. Anyway, as I said, I am mixed race and I am not offended. That's all I am going to say because there is no use posting here. Flame away gt. Call me a liar yet again. I really don't care and as Republican said, you don't scare me. I think you are sad and pathetic and I think your life must be very empty to be as hate filled as you are.
This whole thread is stupid!
MT did not say she was going back to Iraq...she was answering a poll!!!! Where's the lie?
The subject in this thread is a cat.
How did we get to this? And is it really necessary to call names? I mean, we are civilized people after all. It's rather hard to understand why you attack someone even when they are AGREEING with you. I try to be respectful here, but it's very hard to communicate when the subject is changed constantly in a thread. Perhaps an I hate Bush and all conservative thread would be best started and all posts to that effect might go there. Nothing is being furthered here except what seems to be a very bad grudge. In a public forum. Really not cool.
Your 1st post in this thread had NOTHING to do
pardon me for being a bit puzzled about why you brought it up.
Dead thread.
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The only bash under this thread is
Just can't resist slamming a different perspective, can you? Not even one time is this possible.
awww, don't want to go there so this thread
has ended? "Case closed" I guess.
Have you not read this thread?
Simply stating Christian beliefs. This country, although based on religious freedoms, was founded by Christians. In God We Trust ring a bell?
I'm sorry, it's not me. Wrong thread?
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let this thread die. The stupidity
of it speaks louder than any response trying to explain things because they don't "understand" They want to keep the subject off the issues.
Sorry, got tripped up in the thread... the ol'
Evidently you are not following your own thread
The rational people are the Obama folks who will not engage in the foolishness of the conspiracy theory to nowhere and the brick wall...well, that would be you, "Everyone should be interested!"
I might have missed that thread but I...
didn't miss the thread of negativity in your posts.
If you are not able to follow my thread,
at least try to follow your own. I was replying to your right-from-wrong post where, in an attempt to avoid the points I had made about Israel, you stated I had listed all of Palestinian atrocities. My reply followed consecutive order.
The first item on the list you were trying to attribute to them began with occupation. Since you made the blanket, all-encompassing statement that I had just listed ALL of their atrocities, I began my reply with occupation and followed point-by-point with responses to the other listed items. You would probably have a vague understanding of that if you actually engaged in debating substance rather than simple vollies of empty, vacuous put-downs and denials.
He sure does have a relevance to this thread
Because your comment was same sex people can't ever have sexual intercourse. The relevance is that Bill Clinton came out on national TV and told the world "I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman...Ms. Lewinski?" Both are bold face lies.
Two woman are perfectly capable of having a sexual relationship as are two men. And that is why we have sperm donors and other means to allow woman the capability of having a child without having sex with a man. Maybe if you got out of the "puritan" mind set you might just even have a little fun. But somehow I doubt that. Reminds me of my aunt telling me that sex is only for pro-creation. Once you don't want to have kids anymore then you shouldn't be having sex anymore. Is this you aunty???????
Maybe you could begin in another thread.
Day of Prayer and the absolute vicious lies about Obama's faith.
Just because you believe he lied about other things does not automatically make him a Muslim.
Patty, just get off this particular thread.
It is very obvious that you are a minority here and you're just trying to stir the pot, as you always do. Nobody wants to hear your bigoted idiotic statements about something you know nothing about, so just keep handling your snakes and leave everybody else's sex life alone. It is none of your business!!
After reading all the posts in this thread,
You definitely won, hands down, no contest because you speak the truth.
(Don't ya just love the word "insufferable?" I think it's used mostly by those "tater" people when they start sputterin' and spoutin' and spittin'!) 
Thank you Dem for adding some saneness to this thread.
While I agree that Bill C. caught flack you have to remember it was for things he lied about and then was proven to have done such as getting a BJ in the chambers of the oval office and then committing the documented crime of perjury by lying about it. If it is solidly proven by investigation that GWB has lied to the country under oath I will raise my white flag and cry uncle, and then all this hatred and uproar will be just. The far left, and I include GT in that group, has gone off the deep end with all this unsubstantiated speculation about this war and GWB. I do not believe Cindy Sheehan is truly honoring the memory of her son by doing what she's done. While she has every right to do it does not mean it is the correct interpretation about how the majority of this country feels nor is it what her son wanted his legacy to be. From the statements of Casey Sheehan his thoughts about this war were entirely different from his Mom's and in large part of the rest of the Sheehan family.
What's missing here is your understanding of this thread....
it is about infants born alive after botched abortions and left to die without care. Partial birth abortion is when they turn the baby around in the womb, let all but the head be born, then stick a needle in base of skull and suck the brain out to collapse the skull and make sure the baby is dead before it comes out, to avoid that pesky being born alive thing that proabortion people so hate.
At least get your facts straight and know what you are denying before you deny it.
And yes, he does support partial birth abortion. He supports removing the ban on that heinous procedure. His wife sent out a campaign letter while he was running for senate in Illinois that said that very thing.
Sheesh.
This whole thread is a vast wasteland of
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I'm taking my response to a new thread
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This thread is worthwhile for grown ups.
No way, no how can you lay the abysmal Bush/republican response to Katrina at the feet of the DNC, Obama, Biden, Hillary, Bill or the Hope Train, so the best you can do is make a childish joke and dismiss it? You really ae just as cold blooded as your leaders.
Imagine this. It's Monday night, and the opening speaker of the RNC takes his place behind the podium. He is the very same guy that McCain is desperately trying to distance himself from. The media is trying to cover the event AND a category 3, 4 or 5 hurricane, as it makes landfall just west of New Orleans, placing it on the dirty side of the storm.
What will the media do? Perhaps the best they can….they cover the speech and split the screen with streaming video and scenes of the levies bursting at the seams or the FEMA trailers being smashed to smitherines as huge chunks of metal siding are being blown around like sheets of paper, slamming into buildings, trees being uprooted, and cars disappearing under flood waters raging through streets/canals of the city.
Meanwhile, GW is preaching to the choir and singing the praises of the party as he promotes the candidacy of the RNC's best pick. It will not be that easy for the TV viewing audience to block out the image of Bush and McCain eating cake last time around while New Orleans drowns again. So this beg the question….what sort of damage control do you think they can pull out of their magic hats to make it go away?
What a retarded thread...get a life
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Then start a thread. No one is stopping you.
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Exactly, that is the common thread in Democratic...
party these days. And the only way to end that stalemate in Waashington is for that, for lack of a better word...crap to stop. McCain and Palin are reaching across the aisle, saying they are willing to work with democrats to stop the stalemate...country first. McCain says he wants Democrats and Independents in his cabinet. Country first. This election is a no-brainer for this Independent. McCain/Palin.
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