We are to have partisanship with people like you?
Posted By: Scary on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: Yeah, heard they are a vanishing breed. - donedeal
Whatever. Feel sorry for you. Just wait in 6 months. I will be glad then to say, "I voted for the other guy." I was really hoping the O could make a change, but I wanted it for the good, not worse. Picking Emanuel proved I was right about him.
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What does that have to do with partisanship?
Rapid partisanship is destroying our
We could well be facing one of the worst set of crises in our nation's history and will all need to step outside our labels and biases to come together as a nation if we want to survive the next few years. It is not as entertaining as flaming and blaming, but it would be nice to see everyone rise above the pettiness and remember that we are all Americans.
Post-Partisanship: The Obama Way...sm
The President is revealing who he really is, day by day.
It appears to be "The Obama Way" only. Sounds very dictatorial to me. The GOP are now being told who they can and can't listen to on the radio, or "we won't get along."
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Post-Partisanship: The Obama Way
By Adam Graham
January 23, 2009
Barack Obama in a display of post-partisanship went to House Republicans and listened to their concerns and responded with a post-partisan/healing/bring us altogether response that we expect from our new President:
During his private meeting with congressional Democrats and Republicans on Friday, President Obama ended a philosophical debate over tax policy with the simple declaration that his opinion prevailed because "I won."
Democrats called it a light-hearted moment that drew laughs around the table. Republicans said there was laughter but couldn't recall if any of it came from their ranks.
Guys, could anyone imagine George W. Bush saying something like to Democrats in 2005? I can't. It's arrogance illustrated. And Keith Olbermann would name Bush "The Worst Person in the World" for it.
Also, Barack Obama had some interest in advising the GOP on their listening habits if they wanted good relations with the White House:
Washington -- President Obama warned Republicans on Capitol Hill today that they need to quit listening to radio king Rush Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats and the new administration.
"You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.
Thus we're beginning to see Barack Obama's big problem when it comes to bi-partisanship. He doesn't know where to begin. He has never worked with Republicans on substantive matters. During the year Republicans controlled the Illinois legislature, Obama was an irrelevant backbencher. In the Senate, the one issue he worked a Republican on was relatively minor (earmark transparency.) Comments like today's won't help. If Obama can't get serious Republican support for his stimulus plan, it could get it delayed, while vulnerable Democrats seek cover. If it doesn't work, Democrats could left holding the bag if it goes wrong.
Plus, what a difference a day makes. Or at least President Obama seems to think so. He was widely expected to lift the Mexico City Policy of funding International organizations that support abortions, yesterday on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade. Instead, he demurred and issued a tepid statement about the need to reduce abortions. It looked like he was saving his political capital and avoiding too quickly dwindling the good will he had from most Americans, so he waits one day, but still does it:
WASHINGTON, Jan 23 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Friday lifted restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, reversing a policy of his Republican predecessor George W. Bush.
The Democratic president's decision was a victory for advocates of abortion rights on an issue that in recent years has become a tit-for-tat policy change each time the White House shifts from one party to the other.
When the ban was in place, no U.S. government funding for family planning services could be given to clinics or groups that offered abortion services or counseling in other countries, even if the funds for those activities came from non-U.S. government sources.
Ah, it's so good to know that my tax dollars now go to organizations that are sending abortion missionaries overseas to spread abortion around the world.
Did waiting until January 23rd help Obama any? Slightly. Obama did it at 5 PM ET, buried on a Friday which is good for limiting media coverage, but the folks who were going to learn about this decision and understand it were never going to hear about it from the mainstream press. Plus, not doing it on January 22nd means not being engaged with a fight on the same day as the March for Life, but Obama's still fighting the culture war on the left side of the equation.
However, realistically, this is a decision that could have waited much longer-at least until after the stimulus was passed. Most of these dollars have already been designated as to where they're going. Obama spent political capital that he could have saved for a few more weeks which makes the move a mis-step.
Obama had no choice to do it eventually. He had to pay off his supporters in the abortion rights movement, who like many other industries are looking for a bailout. However, they could have waited a little longer.
http://culture11.com/diary/36633
It is true partisanship at work. I'm a Democrat, always have been...sm
and post here on this board as a democrat, BUT it wouldn't matter to me if an African American Democrat made these comments I would not agree and be ticked. I'm sorry but I have zero tolerance for the people who are defending these comments. It's OK to say, I like Bennett but I think he was wrong on this one. But again, some people are true partisans and can see no wrong in the likes of Bennett, Rush, Bush...
Yes, time to end the 2-party system, need more real choice in government, less partisanship!..NM
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So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc. Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be. Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed? You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing. In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.
Bored people are BORING people.
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Is that how your people justify killing people?
So then you only like to where people who say what you believe have to say.
Pretty sad. At least the consevatives here weather the storms and stay. That pretty much says a lot about you and them, too. It's sure not like you guys never took pot shots over there. Of course, I am sure it wasn't YOU. Right.
gee, 100,000 people vs. 400 people
100,000 = anti-war protesters
400 = anti-anti-war protesters
Statistics from today's White House rally.
Now shoo, run along home now back to your hole or cave or whatever you crawled out of.
I consider the people..
and programs I mentioned fair and balanced. Meet the Press, Hardball, Tyler Carlson on CNN, Face The Nation. They said that they would not accept Drudge as reliable information, not I although I don't but my opinion carries less weight than that of those mentioned above.
100 people
This was a SMALL gathering, and as stated above, Jews tend to support abortion rights more than any other group (15-20%). So this small group hardly speaks for the majority of the Jewish Community.
She has none of those people that we know of ... sm
She just got announced. I am not saying that there is anything in her background, but it is early and I am sure if there is one iota of a person in her background then we will here about it. For this whole experience thing, what have we got in the past 8 years and the past 8 before that with all of the so-called experience the Rep. think we need.
Why are we still bring up Rev. Wright? Can't we just move past that? We've heard it all.
Sorry, people....
The blame for the way Katrina was handled lays completely with the democratic Louisiana governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the democratic New Orleans mayor, Ray Nagin.
They didn't follow the protocol for disasters.
However, now Bobby Jinda, Republican governor, is in charge, and he is handling things the way they should have been back then.....
Why are people so
focused on outward appearances? It is a person's heart that shows true beauty......not their face. A face can change over time, but a pure heart remains and that is what is important.
Are these the same people
who can afford their cigarettes and beer?
people should have been more
people make financial mistakes... perhaps some people wouldn't be hurting so badly right now if they had been living within their financial means to begin with.
Why can't more people see that?
My husband has been saying that same thing for the past few years. I am so sick and tired of working so hard to make a good life for my family, only to have *big government* take half of my money to give to people who won't lift a finger and want government to take care of them. It just makes me sick! I don't know why so many people are so blind to this.
some people say
is the line Hannity uses to introduce such wild statements without accepting responsibility for stating them. The post says the GROUP endosed McCain -- did not libel McCain. Simply an example of how people are willing to run with any statement that supports their beliefs against a candidate.
God is in the People
Slice and dice in the womb - 2.1 million babies murdered.....fanatical ravings indeed
Who are these VERY BAD people....
I'm not coming up with anything when I Google the internets..........
545 people
I'm cutting and pasting from an email my friend sent me. Thought it was interesting enough to post here. I really hope the spacing is okay. The title of the email was "how to become a former columnist"
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.
The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, nine Supreme Court justices = 545 human beings out of the 300 million who are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority. They have no authority to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, (supposedly) the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving
appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She or he is the leader of the majority party. She or he and fellow House members, not the
president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and
irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .
If they do not receive Social Security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's be cause they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they
can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses, provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
it's not about the people who can't
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I want to know why people like
Dodd and Frank aren't being held accountable? Why aren't the CEOs being held accountable? It thoroughly ticks me off that this is literally being swept under the rug. I want to see some punishment here. It is like they all got a get out of jail free card or something. WTH? They all lined their pockets with money and we are the ones paying for it and suffering. People walking away with millions of dollars with no consequences at all while we are left to pay for their misdeeds. I'm totally disgusted! I say we clean house and start all over with new people. I wanna show these politicians that I'm tired of being screwed over by them. I really feel like this bailout was the rich bailing out their rich friends.
A lot of people are saying
Don't underestimate Gov. Sarah Palin. She knows more than people give her credit for and she's smart as a whip. Looking forward to the debate.
As for McCain's heath, I wouldn't weigh too heavily on that. He's been cleared of cancer now for at least 7 years by his doctor and is cancer-free. To be worried about that would be the same if something was to happen to Barack or Biden - would you really trust Pelosi as president? That would be too laughable if it weren't so scary. I would say if you agree with McCains policies (which I believe are going to be better for the country than Barack Osocialist's policies) then vote for him. Also remember. There are people who direct every president. There has never been any president who has ever done anything without the approval of their bosses. At least John McCain and Gov Palin will be surrounding themselves with the people who know what's going on and how to handle whatever situation arises with better solutions than the people who Obama would surround himself with. I trust that more than anything.
Yep! And yet so many people still want
more government! Unbelievable.
Because so many people are NOT sensible
nm
AND YOU ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY
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545 People ..................sm
Good little summary about who we should get rid of.
545 PEOPLE By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create
problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and
the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we
have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are
against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation
and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The
President does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority
to vote on appropriations. The House of
Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy,
the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president,
and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of
the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and
individually responsible for the domestic problems that
plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board
because that problem was created by the Congress. In
1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide
a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private,
central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a
sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have
no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a
president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't
care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars
in cash. The politician has the power to accept
or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is
the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy
convincing you that what they did is not their fault.
They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is
an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being
would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and
criticized the President for creating deficits. The
president can only propose a budget. He cannot force
the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land,
gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives
for originating and approving appropriations and
taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? The leader
of the majority party. He/She and fellow House members,
not the president, can approve any budget they want. If
the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if
they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million
can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by
present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility.
I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly
to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the
plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is
what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want
it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want
it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's
because they want them in IRAQ .
If they do not receive social security but are on
an elite retirement plan not available to the people,
it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to
bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can
abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can
reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to
regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above
all, do not let them con you into the belief that there
exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the
economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to
do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando
Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it
is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your
address book, and hope' they' do something about
it.
2. You can agree to 'vote against'
everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the
process will take several years.
3. You can decide to 'run for office'
yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or
re-elect the current bunch.
YOU DECIDE, BUT AT LEAST SEND IT TO EVERYONE IN YOUR
ADDRESS BOOK,
MAYBE SOMEONE IN THERE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
Maybe people
who don't put a lot of stock in a name. Should McCain/Palin be elected, I hope you will like what you get.
It may not be for you but still is for a lot of people. nm
.
I wish more people were like you
Then the need for welfare would be obsolete.
In our backwards town the people you are reporting to are more than likely relatives of those on welfare! I've brought it up a few times to officials, but nothing ever gets done. They basically say "mine your own business" well it is my business if it's MY tax dollars.
I'm glad to hear things are working out for you now. We aren't very high on the hog either, about at his ankles I would say :) but we get by, and we reach out to those we can. I love our church because they reach out a lot and I've seen at least five people come in who never attended our church and no one at our church knew, and I've watched members hand them money, knowing they would probably never see them or it again. I've watched our preacher take the money from the offering plate and hand it to them. Which is what a church should do. Now maybe those people weren't nothing but drug addicts or alcoholics, but people gave freely, and that's the difference. No one should be forced to give to those less fortunate. That just breeds animosity and class warfare.
I like to give most people the benefit of the doubt, and I tend to trust in people as a whole, but the more I get burnt, the more trust I lose in society as a whole. I'm learning to look at people with a more critical eye, and I don't know if that is a good thing. But after all the abuse of the system I have seen in my town and the towns surrounding, it just makes me really against giving anymore into the welfare system. Not without a total revamping of it. But, we are forced to, so I guess I will! :)
I know people who have had
for babies that were miscarried.
I lot of people use
sm and NM when they post. Does not mean they are the same person. Thank you for the apology.
ah, what about the people
who want freedom like you and i have?? Freedom isn't free. It takes sacrifice, something too few understand anymore.
Some people believe everything
they hear. This is just now "coming out." Doesn't that tell you something? Two days before election? Show me where he said it on VIDEO tape that is reported on the news.. Don't give me this audio stuff. I don't care if you support McCain but for God's sake, don't be going off on witch hunts. 
Actually - I'm sure it was on a lot more people's
seriously, if you cast your ballot ahead of time and then you die for the election, does your vote still count? I'm just wondering if she already submitted her vote, because if so, I think it shouldn't be counted.
oh no!!! do you think people really believe that? How sad! (sm)
But she has a mortgage...so she won't get a lot of help under O's plan will she?
It is sad that some people can't
get past the us versus them mentality, and it's not just with politics.
Not what most people want to see BUT
Let's face it, most of us are having turkey for Thanksgiving and I, for one, don't believe my turkey dinner died of natural causes.
most people
think I shouldn't waste my time replying. I am going to agree with them.
These are some of the same people whose
mortgage we are probably all going to be paying for. The normal, civilized people in our group of friends don't worry about having to stand in line to save a few bucks on something everybody else has already.
and most people think he should be doing more -
what gives? Nobody can be satisfied. If he does not say or do anything, then he is wrong, if he says something, he is wrong!!!
I don't understand why everybody just wants to complain all the time...
Be happy!
Oh, so it is people like you who keep
time! That's why they always have more viewers than those other ones who are so jealous that they mention O'Rielly at least 3 times a week, usually more.
And people wonder why I have such....(sm)
disdain for christianity. Hey Lu, where was your scripture when you agreed with the genocide of palestinians? Or are you just picking and chosing the verse that suits you best in any situation. So typical and predictable.
The right people? You would know this how?
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Because....if people cannot keep up with their
monthly payments, their interests go up and it is still good business for the banks.
The often people take a loan on their equity, lose their interests on this part and so on, down the road to foreclosures.....
Don't let banks tell you that you can afford a loan, if you know in your guts that you cannot or you do not understand what you are getting into.
Banks are 'loan sharks'.
I think that people are just fed up
with others mooching off of the government and supporting themselves by the hard work of others. These government programs that provide this are liberal ideas. I've mentioned before that I have no problem helping people who really need the help. However, I do have a problem with my money going to people who refuse to help themselves. In that case we are enablers and not helping anyone at all. The problem with welfare is that the regulation is seriously lacking in that area. At least Clinton did reform it when he was in office but now Obama is undoing what little reform Clinton had done. To me....this is just opening up Pandora's box.
The problem with strict regulations is that it will be harder for people who truly need help to get help. The dishonest and greedy people always ruin things for the honest people who truly need help. So what is the answer here? Either way you go you are screwing honest people and lazy bums are receiving handouts when they shouldn't.
I once went to college with a lady who had 2 kids. She was trying to get a college degree so she could get a better job. Her and her boyfriend were living together and he was trying to start his own business. Needless to say....they were not doing well financially. They were receiving food stamps and government assistance. This lady decided that she could get a part-time job to help them out, but was told that if she did get that job, they would take away her food stamps. Here she was....going to college and was going to get a job to help them out but was told the food stamps would be taken away. This lady did not take the job because it wouldn't have gotten them ahead at all. To me....this is government kicking people down instead of helping them up. These people were really trying and the moment one tried to get a job to help them get ahead, government knocked them down.
Then on the other side of the spectrum, you have single mom's pushing out kid after kid with no intention of working while they receive government assistance. How is that fair? How is that helping?
The reason democrats are stereotyped is because government programs are usually liberal ideas. Instead of actually helping though.....we are now rewarding irresponsible people instead of truly helping the people that need help and that is what is sad and frustrating whether you are a dem, pub, or independent.
We cannot provide housing, health, clothes, food, etc. for everybody. We cannot afford it and the more people work to pay for others, the more people will stop working to allow others to pay for them. This is why socialism doesn't work. It is nice in theory to think that we are helping others by spreading the wealth around but when you have more people mooching and less people working.......there isn't enough wealth to spread around.
Wow....if a lot of people did that
it would definitely make an impression. However, it won't change anything. As you can tell from the pro-choice people on this board.....nothing you say or show them will change their mind. Abortion is not something that we can obviously talk civilized about on this board.
You can't stop abortions. If you try, more women will end up taking harmful substances into their body to try and force an abortion or they will go to some quack who will hack them up to get the procedure done.
I do not agree with abortions, but I can't stop them so I just look at it like population control and one less possible welfare recipient that I have to pay for.
Okay....why are people getting
so defensive here. Sending red envelopes to the president to represent an aborted child is a protest that will cause no harm. It won't change how Obama feels about abortion or any other pro-choicer for that matter. This isn't a violent thing. This isn't like PETA people throwing paint on people with fur coats. This is just something polite and simple to represent our opinions. It isn't like the gay rights people who are spray painting messages on the sides of churches or kissing each other in the middle of a congregation.
Pro-life people are entitled to their opinion as well. To call us names is very childish. We are allowed to state our opinions and protest in a non-violent way. That is a right and our freedom of speech. If you disagree with our point of view....fine. We both know that nothing we do will change abortion laws so don't worry about your uterus because I'm sure you can continue to abort as many babies as you choose to and we cannot stop you.
It amazes me that people just cannot talk and debate about things without being rude and childish.
No, it's people like...sm
Jane Fonda, Barbara Streisand and AL Gore who make me ashamed to be an American.
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