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Doom and gloom predictions? You facts so far.nm

Posted By: Scary on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: No, what is offensive and vulgur is your continued - sweetpea

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gloom and doom

what a mishmash.  A link to "Fox news" as a source.  Nah.


A rumour from "they" about impeachment and Pelosi. Outlandish, senseless, and no source for "they."


Obama takes the state of the country very seriously. He has very little time to prepare for his administration to gear up.  He is thoughtful enough to keep the citizens informed of his plans and actions for the future.


The diddler in chief has mentally checked out and is awaiting his exit back to the "ranch"  and the corporate scratch-my-back lifestyle he so loves.


Bless my fellow citizens for triumphing over fear and smear and voting in a responsible leader.  Bless our new president for caring enough to take his responsibility seriously. 


 


All that gloom and doom...(sm)
you're hearing is something called the truth.  I think it's rather refreshing.
You wanna see gloom and doom
How innocent you are. It was not the Bushes who did this. Learn the facts. Gloom and doom is what we will have if Hussain wins. Do half of all Americans have their blinders on? What are you thinking? Anyone watch the 700 club? I wish Pat R. would run for president again.

Enough of this gloom, doom and Armageddon.
Lighten up, will ya?
Gloom and doom can't touch us now.
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It is only a message of doom and gloom SM

for those who do not heed the warnings.  For the believers, those of us reading the signs, it is a message of hope.  The return of Christ is eminent.  That's good news!  But at the same time we (Christian believers) feel an urgency to spread the message.  We want to share what we know and what has been revealed.  We want to share the signs that the unbelievers or the deceived are blinded to.


The stage is being set and Obama is the principle player now.  Is he the anti-christ?  I don't know.  What I do know is there will be many false prophets and deceivers who will pave the way for THE anti-christ.  Many will be deceived -- many Christians will even be deceived.  That is a disturbing thought for me. 


The person who posted yesterday stating that she prayed and God told her to vote for Obama, that is just frightening.  That is a Christian woman who is being led astray.  I hate that!  It makes me mad, not at her, but at the evil, yes at Satan!  Laugh at me if you wish.


 


O is doing very well with the doom and gloom speeches

He doesn't need the pubs to help him. He's doing it all by himself. This writer can't make  excuses for that so he attacks the pubs with his rhetoric. Another one-sided opinion.


 


doubt. gloom. doom. sign.
what's the use ... lets just keep going the way we are . . doesn't make any difference, anyway.  They are all crooks.  Sounds like the repub platform.
I hate to be the bringer of doom and gloom

but it would be prudent to train in something outside of medical transcription.  All you have to do is look at the job seeker's board and each job posted has hundreds and hundreds of hits.  Look on the company board and see how many are crying because there is no work, they can't find a job, etc. etc.


I happen to know that the electronic medical record software is not that expensive any more and if you're looking to learn acute care MT-ing, save your sanity and get into another field.  VR is taking over at a faster clip than you probably realize.


All this gloom and doom McCain's supporters
to be a real bore. I'm ready for a strong dose of optimism, hope and change. The republicans have proven to us over these past 8 years that they cannot run the economy anywhere except into the ground. That is why Obama is leading in this race and that is why Obama will win this election. Rale on. spin yourselves into the ground, for all the good it will do you.
In the midst of all the chicken little gloom and doom
Made my day. Thanks.
Yes, his doom and gloom is only making it worse.
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Lots of doom and gloom coming from Obama lately...

Doom & Gloom: Drive the American economy into the dirt then present socialism as the only way out.
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I like Bloomberg and predictions for the end of the war.

don't think he will run for president on any ticket. I like him because he chose to withdraw from both parties. He says he does not want to answer to a particular party's platform or mollycoddle special interests of that party (whichever it may be). I would LOVE it if this country had a truly feasible viable third party. I believe we need more choices, not less and not the same tired old candidates with their same tired old plans and policies. I don't suppose that will happen in my lifetime but there is always hope.


So we now have war from Palestine to Pakistan. I cannot keep the relgious sects, the insurgents, the terrorists apart any more. There are so many names and so much going on. This is quite a mess we have created; and I do not say that because I hate America or Bush. I say it because I do not believe that we would have this level of calamity throughout the entire region if we had not invaded Iraq (at this time). The region, as most of us know, has been in turmoil for thousands of years. There is nothing anyone can do about that but those who are involved themselves. They have to want it first and foremost. They have to want to live more than they want to be right or more than they want to be in power or more than they want a theocracy. People who are willing to go on suicide missions for a cause don't value life in the same way that I do.


I have a prediction as to how this all will end. Eventually, we will come home, meaning the majority of troops and surges and sorties et al will be over. Nothing will have changed in the Middle East other than it will have become more volatile than it was before we arrived in 2003. It has been this volatile before and it will be again, this particular time we played an active part but with or without the US, the Middle East will remain a volatile, recalcitrant area. The Middle East is a place you have to have been to, lived in or studied for a long time, to understand. I too have met **the enemy.** I lived there (in Bahrain) for a few years, and other places where Islam was alive and well (Korea, the Philippines, South Africa and the UK). So my prediction is that the last plane will be leaving the Green Zone and the surgents will be 5 minutes behind it and things will go on as they always have. I agree (in theory) that something had to be done after 9/11 and that we could not just suck it up and move on. The move on Afghanistan made sense to me. Iraq did not, does not and will not ever make sense to me. It is hard for me to see Saddam teaming up with Al-Que'da as he was a hedonistic  bacchanal who lived in a gold palace with heroin, diamonds and lots of women and the bin Laden's beliefs were quite the opposite. But, at any rate, my prediction is that this will end much like the conlict in you know where. Hundreds of thousands of lives will have been lost and nothing will change. As with the cold war and the conflict in you know where, manipulation through fear using that same old chestnut that the commies, the Russians, the Viet Cong and now the terrorists will be in our cities killing us is in full force. That scenario has not come to fruition yet and I don't believe it ever will. Crazy people possibly trying to carry out another attack somewhere here in the US is quite possible, another Oklahoma City is possible but in my opinion those possibilities are not worth the certainty of more US troop deaths and civilian deaths in a war without end. So while I grieve for those lives that will be lost between now and September, I pray that someone somehow will keep his word and get us out of there. Iraq is not ours to win or lose; it is theirs.


Loved the article. I had made some of the same predictions he did! nm
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Murtha's predictions on the Republican exit strategy.

I'm past convinced but time will tell just how politically motivated *Iraqi freedom* is to this administration.  How much you want to bet nobody gets it? 


I agree with Murtha, now that we have relieved Iraq of the Saddam regime the mission sould be getting our soldiers home safely.  But its not that easy with the new wave of terrorism that replaced Saddam's regime as a result of the war.


I still say though we have our own battles to fight at home and need to accelerate training what Iraqi men are willing to fight for democracy and do what we can to restore their infrastructure and get out.  With the right enthusiasm (or upcoming congress elections) it can be done.  ~Democrat


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Murtha Details His Exit Strategy

Jan. 13, 2006


CBS) Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., believes the vast majority of U.S. troops in Iraq will be out by the end of the year and maybe even sooner. In his boldest words yet on the subject, the outspoken critic of the war predicts the withdrawal and tells 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace why he thinks the Bush administration will do it

“I think the vast majority will be out by the end of the year and I’m hopeful it will be sooner than that,” Murtha tells Wallace, this Sunday, Jan. 15, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

“You’re going to see a plan for withdrawal,” says Murtha. He believes Congress will pass it because of mounting pressure from constituents tired of the war that could affect the upcoming midterm elections.

The political situation will force President Bush to accede to Congress, he says. “I think the political people who give [the president] advice will say to him, ‘You don’t want a democratic Congress. You want to keep a Republican majority, and the only way you’re going to keep it is by reducing substantially the troops in Iraq,’” Murtha says.

The president has said publicly that any decision regarding Iraq would be based on the situation there and not on Washington politics.

Murtha rejects the president’s argument that the war on terror is being fought in Iraq. “The insurgents are Iraqis – 93 percent of the insurgents are Iraqis. A very small percentage are foreign fighters….Once we’re out of there, [Iraqis] will eliminate [foreign fighters],” says Murtha.

“[President Bush] is trying to fight this war with rhetoric. Iraq is not where the center of terrorism is,” he says. “We’re inciting terrorism there....We’re destabilizing the area by being over there because we’re the targets,” Murtha says.

When Wallace challenges him by saying, “General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, says your comments are damaging recruiting and hurting the troops,” Murtha responds by saying it’s the military’s own fault. “[Troops] are rotated [into Iraq] four and five times. They have no clear mission,” says Murtha. “One of the problems they have with recruitment is [that] they continually say how well things are going and the troops on the ground know better.”

President Bush has said there are only two choices in Iraq: victory and defeat. And he has implied that Murtha is a defeatist. Murtha, of course, disputes that.

There have been 13 servicemen from his Congressional district killed in Iraq. Could the families of those dead be offended? Wallace asks.

“Well, I hope [those families] understand,” says the Vietnam combat veteran. “It’s my job, my responsibility, to speak out when I disagree with the policy of the president of the United States,” says Murtha. “All of us want this president to succeed…I feel a mission here, with my experience, that I have to help the president find a way out of this thing.”


What a gloom way to look at things...

A lot of what's being discussed is to help our economy right now through the tough times.  This isn't new.  IRS was started that way.


A presidential term is only for 4 years, max 2 terms for 8 years.  I doubt that we will become welfare society in 4 years.  He also speaks about  being accountable, responsible.  He does not advocate going on welfare and living free, so don't know where your paranoia is coming from,  most of what is said about helping us with the current situation like high gas prices, affordable healthcare, no tax breaks for jobs going overseas.  Who wants our jobs going overseas to help someone else's economy when our economy is going down the tubes.  This is a time for us all to pull together, pool our resources.  Personally, I will get in behind whomever wins and do what's best for the country.  I have respect for the both of them for different reasons and think they are both able to lead for different reasons.  My only request is no more trigger happy cowboys as presidents at this point.  It just depends on what  matters to you most.  I am for affordable healthcare so that is what's on my mind and what matters right now when I hear them debating. I am chronically ill.  A lot of insurance companies don't cover pre-existing illnesses, not mine and I have called around looking for a health plan.  So it isn't like I can just go out and purchase a healthcare plan on my own.  I need chronic and pre-existing conditions not to determine whether I am able to afford healthcare.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


Yes, and all this spewing Obama does of doom and
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Prophets of Doom - liberal! - radical!

The GOP's new message: Despair







THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter






Either word-torturer Frank Luntz has been writing memos to the brass and issuing orders to the troops again, or the GOP is taking its verbal cues from none other than the certifiable Alan Keyes.


Have you noticed? "Radical" is the new socialist, the new liberal, the creeping unhinged hyperbole suitable for all occasions in describing President Obama's budget proposal. It's now conservative chic, simply all the rage: big-government "liberal" is so yesterday.


Gee, it's almost as if someone -- listening, Frank? -- has focus-grouped the lingering efficacy of again hauling out that old "liberal" bogeyman, only to find that most voters no longer care. After partaking of the desolating fruits of right-wing rule for so long, if liberal is its antithesis, then bring it on, they say.


They're finally numb to the right's tireless stigmatization of the word; hence a new one -- one with more shock-value kick to it -- was desperately needed. And "Radical" must have pegged the bogeyman-o-meter.


Never mind that what Obama now proposes is more or less the same he proposed for roughly two years on the campaign trail; and above all never mind that what he proposes is far more organically pragmatic than schematically liberal. For the right, debate is all about innovative exaggeration and ominous labeling -- "framing" remains the hot-button word for the partisan presentation of hot-button issues -- since an honest argument carries the insufferable risk of losing it.


Yes, I know the word has been thrown about by the right for some time now, or, to pinpoint its origination in application to Obama, since the fizzled phenomenon of William Ayers. But it was just yesterday that I noticed on the Sunday talk shows the word's almost Post-It-reminder-note-on-the-forehead usage by the distinguished gentlemen from the GOP.


The president is engaging in radical exercises, intoned the increasingly preprogrammed Sen. Lindsey Graham on "Meet the Press," oblivious to the profoundly non-radical nature of, say, even corporate support for some form of universal health care. Nor is equal opportunity of education -- so that, perhaps, just maybe, this nation can compete more effectively in the global rat race of capitalism -- customarily regarded by political theorists as Leninist to its core.


But hey, it's a lot more fun to bend reality when reality is incompatible with one's political agenda; and, of course, in this crowded age of competing messages, the bending must be done with overwhelming force and unprecedented volume.


Later, during MTP's roundtable discussion, the solemn consensus among three-fourths of the four-member panel was that the restoration of American confidence is indispensable as the first step in the restoration of the American economy.


Then came Panel Member Number Four, Newt Gingrich, the Big Idea Man, blasting away at -- any guesses? -- yep, Obama's radicalism. It was segment two; removed was the cardboard cut-out of Lindsey and installed was the cardboard cut-out of Newt. Yet the viewer would have hardly noticed the change in personnel. Both were reading from the same Orwellian Luntzism -- Obama's "radicalism" is double ungood.


What was Newt's alternative Big Idea? What, I hear you ask, was his counterproposition for solving what his party has created in the monstrous form of nearly insoluble problems?


Well, he didn't have one. Not one, not even a little Big Idea. Not even a whiff of one. Instead, he wanted us only to know that Obama's radicalism was undermining the very confidence that Newt's fellow panelists sought.


Newt wasn't doing that, mind you. Obama is, or rather, his radicalism is -- which at any rate just won't work, because it's too big in purpose, it's too challenging, it's simply too much for the American people to handle.


As I listened to Graham's rehearsed shock and awe, then Gingrich's, then a bit later Sen. Richard Shelby's strikingly similar exasperation on ABC's "This Week," it occurred to me that what now underlies the conservative argument is the precise opposite of what conservatives have argued for decades: that given a big enough challenge, Americans can accomplish anything -- but first, the gauntlet must be thrown.


I heard none of that yesterday. What I did hear was rote defeatism -- that determined countermeasures to undo what the right has wrought are doomed as radical impossibilities. In short, conservatives of Ronald Reagan's American Mornings are now banking on utmost despair, trusting that Americans will prefer that to "radical exercises."


And that's quite the seismic shift in their own message, a shift even greater than the one they're trying to impose on Obama's.


 


Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.


Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.

Here ya go.........

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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When you can't fight facts for facts
then it's buh-bye....well buh-bye to you too....I'll have a dicussion with someone who will discuss and not blame.
When you can't fight facts for facts then it's buh-bye.

Facts, stick to the facts...sm
The subject here is the media and their treatment of Gov. Palin, which continues to this day, to this minute, by the liberal left.

Tthe media threw down their gauntlet as soon as she was picked on that Friday, and hounded her for almost a full week.

And you think she should have waved a white flag at them in her acceptance speech? She put them on notice, that she is above them. And continues to be, with grace and style.

She's not whining, and neither are we.

I just shake my head at your audacity.

The media is the one that started this with her, and you would do well to remember the facts in her case.




IN this case, the facts are the facts.........
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You don't have any facts. HELLO???!!!!! NM

You don't have any facts! sm
Are you actually saying you know more than those doing the investigation?   My, you are a powerful person!  Will we be seeing your name soon in the headlines as "she who knows all" heading the investigation?  Share your knowledge!  Inquiring minds want to know!
Oh I'd like to see what facts you have
to back that one up.
My facts came from....
the Summary of Ferderal Individual Income Tax Data and yours came from some self-proclaimed non-partisan watchdog group.  Tell me who I am going to believe?


Facts
Thanks for the FACTS.
Facts
We know for a fact that the person impersonating Stephen Crockett is not actually Stephen Crockett and we know for a FACT that people who have been trolling the conservative board for the past week spouting profanity, vile innuendos also posts on the L-board under different monikers. This person's posts has been turned into the FBI for their implied threats on the president, so this is serious. This is no longer a game, so if you truly are not the one posting under several different monikers on the C-board then you have nothing to worry about. However, somebody here does have something to worry about.

And oh, BTW, I am not Nan, Brunson, or any of the usual suspects you might think.
Some more facts

http://www.ipcc.ch/about/procd.htm


Above is the web site for IPCC, everything you ever wanted to know which is not much if you are a nonbeliever. They have been around since 1988 and include the World Meteorology Organization among others. It is a worldwide, inclusive organization with contributors from just about everywhere.


I don't know how global warming is seen as a step towards socialism, quite a stretch. All we want is for people to act more responsibly towards the earth we all share. Alternative fuels have been around since pre WWII. We know how to do it. We just don't and again, it's all about money all the time. What is wrong with using alternative sources of energy, it hardly makes one a socialist. If we used natural oils, say corn oil for cars.. the farmers who have suffered financial losses and loss of family farms would be back in business. Somebody would have to grow all that corn. Then it would have to be refined. Then, automobiles would have to be converted to be able to run on oil. All the automobile workers who have been laid off (13,000 Chrysler over the next 3 years - another one bites the dust) could work again. Cars would need to be built differently and the existing cars would need to be converted. Seems like the whole thing would be putting a lot of Americans to work. Whether you believe in global warming or not how could implementing these changes be harmful or turn us all into socialists. Its a good thing.


whose facts? Yours? Or the ones fed to you?

it's your choice......that's for sure....


 



The Facts
Obama's father was raised Muslim but not a radical Muslim and was NOT a practicing Muslim when he met and married Obama's mother. Obama's parents split, and his mother married an Indonesian oil manager, and they moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. Obama attended various schools in Indonesia for 4 to 5 years, including a Catholic. The only way any school he attended could be called Muslim is that most of the students who attended this school were from Muslim families, as Indonesia is primarily a Muslim country. He received a few hours of religious instruction per week in these schools. Obama's mother then sent him back to the U.S. to live with his grandmother. Obama has been a member of the United Church of Christ since the ྌs. Obama never received any indoctrination from his father, as his father was absent from his life since the age of 2. Obama was sworn into office with a Bible.

Get your information from somewhere else than false, inflammatory mass emails.
What facts do you need? sm
This is the whole article so a link won't do you much better. It was an AP article. The article was not complete rhetoric.

Yes, both sides do have problems. I am not disputing that at all. I'm just trying to prove again that you can't take everything at face value, politicians like to twist things and take snippets out if it is to their benefit. Notice, I said politicians - as in the whole species, not just Dem or Rep.
That's because you don't want facts and won't look for

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Know your FACTS first
I am not afraid of a black man raised by a white family or a black family or any other family. Interesting post as you do not know my ethnicity but jump with in with your own assumption. What I am afraid of is ANY racism because I do believe in equality.
They are facts
that can be verified.
Facts
Perhaps if you stopped rah-rahing the Republicans and bad-mouthing the Democrats you could see the facts and realize that both parties and all 4 candidates are as crooked as a barrel of snakes. Both sides are to blame for this mess!
facts about him

It sounds to me as though you may be afraid of the truth.  I'd love to hear that you watched it and then come back here and continue giving him a free pass.


It already changed many voters' minds.


This is what happens when you have no facts
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FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, FACTS
Biden Has Served As Obama's Top Foreign Policy Critic, Even Saying Obama Is Not Ready To Be President:

Biden Said Obama Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC's, "This Week," 8/19/07)

Biden: "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake..." (Sen. Joe Biden, "The Diane Rehm Show," 8/2/07)

Biden: "Having Talking Points On Foreign Policy Doesn't Get You There." ("Biden Lashes Out At Obama," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)

Biden Attacked Obama For Voting Against Funding U.S. Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan, Accusing Him Of "Cutting Off Support That Will Save The Lives Of Thousands Of American Troops." Biden: "And, look, Tim, if you tell me I've got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren't worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 9/9/07)

Biden On Obama's Leadership On Iraq: "I Don't Recall Hearing A Word From Barack About A Plan Or A Tactic." (Jason Horowitz, "Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards," The New York Observer, 2/4/07)

Biden On Whether He Would Meet Unconditionally With The Leaders Of Rogue States As Obama Said He Would: "Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no." (Sen. Joe Biden, Remarks At The National Press Club, Washington, DC, 8/1/07)

I realize it is painful to read but PROOF nonetheless.


I don't think you have your facts exactly right.
Even McDonalds pays better than minimum wage.
And you get your facts where?
You mistake "facts" with heresay.  You dismiss FACTS by saying McCain was absolved of any wrongdoing in the Keating 5 scandal.  Not quite.
You want facts? So do I.

One would do.  Give me facts that he was born in the US.  Make him show his real birth certificate. 


http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/


He does not state truth and if he does, he changes it.  New middle age class now 120,000K.  He now has to kill expectations of what people think he can do if he wins.  I could go on and on.  Where did he get all this money for his campaign?  Through unauthorized prepaid credit cards and who from?  His aunt now may be living here illegal and I fear he is too.  No wonder he wants to change all illegals to legal here in the US.  There is something about him that is not right.  By the way, I am a democrate, not a pub.  I will admit he sure is a smooth talker.