Well over 12,000 sick & dying in NYC - environmental catastrophe.sm
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Or how about leaving your wife who is sick and dying of cancer to run for President
There! Don't sling mud unless your prepared to get it back in the face.
Palin has a loving and caring family that is backing her and taking care of things - and I doubt very much she is "leaving" her baby. Sheesh! Your trying to make it sound like she's dropping her child off on a cold street corner with nobody to take care of them. If your going to go there then you might as well say and what father would leave his 2 young children to run for President.
did catastrophe have to happen?
Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues
By Will Bunch
Published: August 30, 2005 9:00 PM ET
PHILADELPHIA Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans late on Tuesday. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.
New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.
Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.
Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.
Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation.
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.
Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:
The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement, he said. The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them.
The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.
The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.
There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:
That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.
The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.
One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.
The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need.
Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be.
Will Bunch (letters@editorandpublisher.com) is senior writer at the Philadelphia Daily News. Much of this article also appears on his blog at that newspaper, Attytood.
Right with you there, too!! I have horrible environmental allergies!...nm
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Obama conceals environmental report.....
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=580722
The Nobel Peace prize is given for environmental concerns. sm
The Nobel Peace prize was given in 2004 to Wangari Maathai of Kenya, an environmental activist, for forming the Greenbelt Movement, so the Peace prize being given for environmental concerns is not new......
Age has nothing to do with dying?
Any president can die at anytime is correct, but age has a lot to do with dying. People actually die of old age!! Average life expectancy for American male is around 76. McCain has been through torture, cancer, and who knows what else.
They are fighting. And they are dying for their cause. sm
Every single day they are fighting. They have a trained military now. They also have their police force. Many of them have given up their lives for the cause. It takes time to train a military.
Dying breed?
Hardly. There will always be a two-party system in America - as long as Obama doesn't make his next power grab to declare himself King Obama.
I seem to remember a time when the Democrats were floundering (out of power for many years), but they're still here - just needed to regroup. Not too long from now, they'll screw things up, just like the Republicans did, and the country will want a change (a change back to real American values). And the Republicans will still be there; you can take that to the bank (if there are any left not run by the government by then.)
Dying breed?
Hardly. There will always be a two-party system in America - as long as Obama doesn't make his next power grab to declare himself King Obama.
I seem to remember a time when the Democrats were floundering (out of power for many years), but they're still here - just needed to regroup. Not too long from now, they'll screw things up, just like the Republicans did, and the country will want a change (a change back to real American values). And the Republicans will still be there; you can take that to the bank (if there are any left not run by the government by then.)
When they become the dying breed, God help America. Until that day
these people will take up for the troops when your antiwar sentiment sends their spirits into the crapper.
Where's the concern for the dying US children?
I don't know whether you are a Republican or Democrat (or neither), but I have found that many Republicans are against this bill. The ironic thing to me is that many Republicans are pro-life. Many care so much about saviing the babies in the womb, but where is the concern for little children who are suffering? I think it's hypocritical for one to say that they care so much about bringing this life into the world and giving it a chance to live, and yet if that same child gets leukemia it's on it's own because God forbid our taxes might get raised or something.
Sometimes you just have to DO THE RIGHT THING. I believe the right thing is health insurance for all American children. What would Jesus do? 
Heartless, mean and spiteful even when someone is dying
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They ARE dying. They're losing every one of them.
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Pubs are Not Dying Breed
63% approval rating.
These people are the last of a dying breed. They don't even realize...sm
that the rest of the country is falling out of the lock step routine.
I hope more people come to see the incompetence that led our troops to Iraq and we get an exit strategy ASAP.
I am sure there are people dying now who have no health care...
there are millions dying who DO. You really think that preventative and "maintenance" health care are going to "drastically" cut the number of catastrophic events...how do you figure that? Are you going to change the way people think? I would like to know the percentage of people who ARE insured who do preventative and maintenance health care? I know a whole lot of women who don't go for Paps and mammos every year, who are covered, simply because they don't want to. Has nothing to do with being insured or not. In fact, I would be willing to bet that a lot of people who are insured don't even use it until they have that catastrophic event and that is when they use it...that is what they think they have it for. And Obama and his advisors know that too...if he wants that kind of rationale to work then he is going to have to think of a way to force people to engage in preventative and maintenance health care...well maybe that is where the national security force comes in. Sigh.
We have people dying in Iraq and in a hurricaine and you are worried about this! /
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sick?
It is YOU who is coming off as sick..in the soul and psyche..Check yourself..Look into yourself..You are the one who is sick..
not sick of it at all
Its fascinating and I look forward to developing News. It is so much more important than what the girls on the Hills are wearing or who is dating who. If I was sick of it, I just would not come to a politic board though.
I do not want anything more. Whatever. Just sick
of the whole thing. So frustrated. Not sure what to believe or who to trust. I have stated this before, I do not trust either of them. McCain or Obama. Neither of them know what they are doing. I want to hear facts about what they are going to do to help the ECONOMY. That is the most important thing right now, not who Obama knows, etc. etc. The whole campaign has gotten hateful and turning me OFF. It is just wonderful to hear McCain supporters yelling "Kill him" (meaning Obama) at his rallies. What a country. GEEZ
you are sick?
Well I am sick of every time a Christian even MENTIONS their belief, people just automatically ASSUME that someone is trying to shove religion down their throat. At the first mention of any ACCOUNTABILITY in this world, then all of a sudden I am a Bible thumping fanatic. I am sick of MY RIGHTS for freedom of religion and freedom of speech being trampled all over by atheists, Muslims and any body who thinks that Christianity is wrong. I have rights too and I am ALLOWED to say that homosexuality is a sin and so is murder and so is racism. I am ALLOWED to say OUT LOUD that gay marriages are againts God. And by the way, this country was FOUNDED on Christian principles with God in our constitution, in our pledge of allegiance, on our money, and then this country becomes so politically correct it is all taken out. That goes against MY RIGHTS. I am sick of hearing all the new age blah blah blah that states there is no God or god is in everyone crap. So if I have to listen to YOU then I guess you have to listen to ME.
That is sick, would never wish for that. However, the
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That's almost as sick as...(sm)
priests molesting little boys. The church operated w/o government regulations over this sort of thing for how long? -- Your post exemplifies the idea of christianity. -- Let's point a finger and induce guilt. Oh, and by the way, you might want to check on how those children who were put up for adoption are getting along. They don't all go to those nice, loving homes you talk about. A large majority grow up bouncing from foster parent to foster parent or in orphanages, halfway houses and the like. Yeah, their future looks bright. Geeez.
FOR THE SICK.....(sm)
I thought I would post this as a helpful hint for those of you who are being sickened by the celebration that is being covered on TV. I understand that this sickness has some very compelling side effects, such as making the affected post derogatory comments on message boards. It seems to have turned into an epidemic. Thankfully there are people like myself who are concerned for those of you with the sickness. I have studied it and have come to the scientific conclusion that there is only one definitive cure:
TURN OFF THE TV
How sick is this?
A philadelphia, PA abortion clinic is going to offer free abortions (murders) in "honor" of george tiller, the murdered abortionist. This country has become so depraved that we honor a killing by killing others (babies nonetheless; the most helpless in our society)!!!
What a sick bunch of people!
What's even more sick...(sm)
is that a right-wing anti-abortion group wants to buy Tiller's building and set up a memorial for Tiller's killer.
sick to death
And..in the midst of all this chaos, when IMHO, no one should feel like partying, vacationing..we should be worrying and doing whatever we can..but in the midst..where is Condoleezza? Why, on a two day vacation in NYC, taking in Spamalot, the broadway show..chuckling it up, while New Orleans burns and people die. A witness said people were shocked to see her enjoying herself at the theatre when parts of her country are descending into madness. Then she went to Ferragammo (spell?) and was buying shoes for a few thousand dollars. Someone walked up to her and started telling her off, about how could she party when America is in such pain. She called security over and had the woman evicted..such is how OUR SERVANTS act, like they are king and queen. I mean, come on, even if you couldnt care less about what is going down, show a little respect and stay home until this is under control..FEMA should have gotten planes and aid out the very next morning to the gulf region, Bush knew this was gonna be a bad storm..he could have had the planes loaded up and waiting for the next morning after the storm..but, as is usual with this administration, Bush and his cohorts wait until chaos, as in Iraq, and then he acts but then it is too late. Well, the other day I posted how one day the masses will have their backs up against the wall and American politicians will have to create programs and help them..I see a minor version of what I was posting about..and, like that song says..*when you aint got nothing, you got nothing to lose*. This is an extremely dire situation..If the people in the gulf region dont calm down and get things under control on their own, the police and other authorities will not be able to, unless they shoot them all..and that will put blood on their hands and Bush's hands for not acting fast enough to show these poor people, that the govt cares..I am sick to my stomach over the evolving situation.Bush's approval is at 46%, just wait it will be even lower next time a poll is taken..
Sick of it too, but the Democrats are no different. sm
Of the main candidates, our choices are a socialist, a Marxist, and a fascist. Which one do you think is not going to tax our eyeballs out, or force us further and further into a control grid? Obama sounds like the least harmful, but the only thing he is going to change is his mind. My vote goes to NOTA (none of the above).
Sick to death of it all.......
Is anyone else just really tired of this election and all the crap that goes along with it? I'm so sick and tired of political parties. I'm tired of the families of the candidates being targets. I'm tired of the mud flinging. I think I'm going to take a break from all the political hoopla.
do you ever get sick of seeing your own posts?
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I say what I think is sacred, you dont have to agree with me just as i dont have to agree with YOU. get over yourself!
I can understand you being sick of it....
but this crisis we find ourselves COULD have been avoided, and only the republicans have been trying to head it off. That is a fact. I confirmed every fact in that video. I did not take it at face value either. But you see that the Democrats, who own the responsibility, are saying "We had absolutely nothing to do with this and accept no responsibility." That kind of bald face lying, when I know better because they have them on video defending them for Pete's sake...that kind of calculated BS'ing of their own constituents...is beyond the pale. And if you look at some of these posts...people BELIEVE them. Even faced with irrefutable evidence...believe them and try to spin it. Amazing. I don't have a party horse in this race so it really does not matter to me...if the faces and facts in that video had pointed to Republicans I would be condemning them instead!
And then, to add insult to injury, they try to funnel 20% of any profits that may eventually come of this bailout to ACORN and a few other outfits who encouraged these lenders to make the bad loans. And the party faithful still stick by them.
Amazing! Just freaking amazing.
both make me sick
Ya know, I never was thrilled with Obama to begin with and I was not too thrilled with McCain during the primaries but I will admit he started to grow on me. Now with them both voting yes on this bailout bill, I'm literally sick. I agree SOMETHING needs to be done but one would think they could come up with something waaaayyy better than what they have. McCain has truly disappointed me.  No wonder people get so discouraged they stay away from the polls.
sick of hearing he was
only 8 years old when Ayers was making bombs. I was about 8 when Charles Manson and his goons killed Sharon Tate and others. I don't feel like sending old Charley a birthday card let alone sitting in his living room or jailcell in his case.As far as I am concerned Ayers should be in jail too!
If you are sick of it, then why don't you quit
going to get rich somehow with Obama in the White House. This stuff doesn't happen overnight.
Furthermore anyone with a 401K or stocks know that there is a downside. You don't always win... So who is looking for free money now? Oh the stock holders are?????? These are the same people that live the good life. Well too bad! You lose because you put your faith in the stock market... Oh well.. Do I feel pity? Nope. Not when there are people struggling just to make minimum wage.
I was born with no money in my hand and I'll die with no money in my hand. Makes no difference to me really.
Anyone with any sense knows "you can't take it with ya'." Savor the moment.
All of you republicans out there that think McCain is going to somehow turn this country around are in for a big shock when he gets in there. The joke is on him. He thinks this Palin person is going to get him in, and he's oh so wrong! I have to wonder if he really is demented. Really?????
You're Sick!
Get off my back. HATER!!!
I am sick and tired
of minorities forcing their beliefs on the majority. Someone said if you don't like sex, etc on TV in magazines or whatever, don't read them. I say if people don't like our Christianity, then don't listen to it or look at it.
sick....not sice..........duh! LOL nm
How do you know if a dove is sick or not?...nm
I could never eat something that I killed, that I saw alive and then it lies dead on my plate! No!
Like people going to fish restaurants where they approach an aquarium and pick a fish (or lobster) that swims around and say: 'That one!"
It gives me the creeps.
It's a sad day. I feel sick.
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Yup - sick of the whole lot of them (no message)
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No, I am beyond sick and tired of
ignorant posts like this that pollute this board. I respond in kind, dear. You put it out there and you get it back. Insults in, insults out. That's how it works. Put up something intelligent and well informed in the spirit of viable political debate and you might be suprised at what comes back your way.
You'd be wrong about how my party and I are feeling right about now. You cannot begin to know how liberating it is to witness this inauguration after the 8 years of torture and oppression we have endured under the fuhrer. I am so excited I can hardly contain myself, haven't felt this good in years, looking forward to tomorrow and tomorrow's tomorrows, unlike the obamaknockers who see nothing but gloom, doom, Armageddon and (yawn) Apocalypse every time they turn around. Thank goodness what you got I can't get. Try as you will, your hatred is not contagious.
I am so sick of this argument
All that clause means is that their will be no state sponsored religion - like saying everyone has to be Baptist or Lutheran or Catholic. It had nothing to do with taking God out of the white house or supreme court or anywhere else! The only reason that happened is because Christians just sat by and didn't say anything while everyone else whined about it and now it's too late to reverse all that because the mindset now is "oh we have to have separation of church and state!"
Of course as greedy and grimy as politicians are these days they probably feel better thinking that God doesn't pay attention to politics!
Here's some quotes from the founding fathers:
William Bradford
• wrote that they [the Pilgrims] were seeking:
• 1) "a better, and easier place of living”; and that “the children of the group were being drawn away by evil examples into extravagance and dangerous courses [in Holland]“
• 2) “The great hope, and for the propagating and advancing the gospel of the kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of the world"
John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798
“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61
Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."
Patrick Henry:
"Orator of the Revolution."
• This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry
Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
Article 22 of the constitution of Delaware (1776)
Required all officers, besides taking an oath of allegiance, to make and subscribe to the following declaration:
• "I, [name], do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration."
Makes me sick
I live in NY State and he makes me sick too. Do you know he actually said that the American people do not care about pork in the stimulus package. I sent him an email and said that I can and of course got no response at all from his office.
It's one of those things that is so sick
it doesn't deserve the attention it's getting.
Well then.....i'm sick and tired
of constantly seeing black celebs on TV talking about no more white lies because they now have a black president. All I've seen on TV since the inaguration are black people rejoicing because it seems they believe Obama will put all the crackers in their place now. it is sickening. I get so sick and tired of hearing about how prejudice white people are when there sounds to me like there are just as many black people spreading the hate around as well. I see this comic as calling them stupid just like when they used the monkey with Bush.
I don't know how many black musicians I've heard on TV shouting f*ck white people....we have a black president now. But you don't hear the media calling them out and talking about how disgraceful that is. Oh no. You don't hear them discussing such obscene things on The View. the double standards in racism never ceases to amaze me. You don't dare use the N word (which I never would anyway) but it is quite alright for a black person to say f*ck white people. It is okay for a black church to be strictly black and be total for the black community, etc but if a white church did that....it would be labeled as the KKK.
He makes me sick too
He just loves to hear himself talk and it's all talk!
he was too sick and could not be saved.
Doctors are no magicians.
A combination of diabetes,
multiple heart attacks, kidney failure, low blood pressure, slow heart beat, obesity and bad lifestyle, etc....can not be rectified by putting a CABG mask on a patient.
You see, you are really sick. No adult
who is coherent acts in such a manner and makes such ignorant remarks to a fellow man.
Is anyone else sick to death of
both pubs and crats. They both lie. They both try to pull quick ones by pointing out what the other party did so they can do something while no one is paying attention. Our government as a whole makes me sick. I'm truly sick and tired of hearing the bickering back and forth by the two parties. I truly feel like neither party gives a rat's behind about us. They are all about doing what they want.
This makes me sick.
However, these people will have to answer for the decisions they are making. I do not for the life of me understand why we are praising Tiller. The man murdered fetuses that could have survived outside of the mother's womb. How can you honor such a man? And still no true respect shown to the soldier who was gunned down. This is a sad day for our country. What have we become? 
So sad you were out sick the day they were handing out!
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