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What's the matter?

Posted By: piglet on 2007-12-29
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    What's the matter? No one is
    week.....Camelot is coming apart!  Actually, glad to see the pubs are big enough not to be saying *told you so.*  Does all the questions about past associations make more sense now?  It just keeps getting deeper and deeper and dirtier and dirtier.  But, of course, if you have drank enough of the Obama kool-aid all of this too shall be whisked away.  I know, I know, let's just give him time.  He's going to make things better, yes he can!
    What's the matter?
    su
    It won't matter which one. sm
    Both are beholden to special interests and the ruling class. A lot of people are oblivious to it, but there is a ruling class. The candidate I supported did confirm this, and so do a few of the candidates running on the third party tickets. Ever wonder why things never change and get worse, this is why.

    There is a diary by a blogger on Daily Kos that explains it very well. It is very informative and worth the read.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/27/65732/1557/694/557641


    what does that matter?

    My nieces and nephews are raised by their white mothers... my grandson is being raised by a white mother and a white grandmother and a white great-grandmother, my stepchildren are being raised by their white mothers - that does not change the situation of how the world views these kids...  and it does not change how they view themselves.  Every one of the mixed kids in my family has a different answer for whether they are white, black, or biracial, and their answer does not necessarily go along with the color of their own skin.


    I also think that being raised by a "white" grandmother was part of Obama's problem.  She was an older generation, still scared of black people, and she was teaching Obama to be "white" and when he got older he realized that he was not "white".  Because he looks like a black man, he obviously feels what a black man feels because he is treated in the world as a black man.


    Yes, mixed children are beautiful - but they are "different" than us in that they are neither white or black and they are treated differently for that reason.  I hope that changes before my grandchildren get older, but so far, they are still expected to conform to being white or being black...


    If a mixed child acts white, he is accepted by the white kids and taunted by the black kids, if he acts black, he is taunted by the white kids and accepted by the black kids.  The mixed children have to be taught from birth that they are a mixture of 2 heritages and to embrace both of them; but at this point, they still choose one or the other.


    you can think all you want.....it just won't matter with him
    !!
    It does not matter! It is just that a man has sex with
    a woman and a woman has sex with a man.
    This is it! And this is right and normal !
    Anything else isn't.

    How can the government legalize it when it is morally wrong.

    Again: I wished Miss California had won.



    Would it matter?
    Would it really change your mind? Or would you dismiss it away?

    Have you ever read the Bible from start to finish with an open mind? Or even just the book of John if you don't want to devote that much time to it.

    If you really want proof, try that. Seriously.
    No matter how you try to say it, it's still
    Since you're so concerned about teaching children right from wrong, it would be perfectly acceptable and should always be taught to children to never EVER call names, make fun of, or bully anyone! There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to even bring up the word 'homosexual' now is there?

    If you teach a child not to bully or pick at anyone then you are teaching tolerance aren't you..... without even bringing up the word.

    How hard is that to understand!?
    What do you mean it does not matter?
    Of course it matters. There isn't a draft registration if the intent isn't to SOME DAY have a draft!! Otherwise, what's the point in it? Use your head! It's to have a pool of young males to pull into govt wars!!!!

    Just because we at this moment have a volunteer armed forces doesn't mean it will HAVE to stay that way.....

    it can change on a whim!
    What the heck does it matter to you
    what happens on the conservative board.  Like most liberals you feel an innate desire to police everything everywhere as you and your uppity ilk are a lot better than everyone else...You have a board, stay on it, and have your nice little liberal tea parties over here.  I for one couldn't give a rat's ass what you think about the conservative board...you elitist control freaks...now can you TAKE that!
    It's a matter of priorities.

    Some people think taking people's lives in Iraq is more important than saving lives in America.  It's nothing new with this administration. 


    I believe every single person in this country is going to be negatively affected by this disaster, while Bush sits by and watches and just flashes that moronic grin of his, and Cheney and his Halliburton buddies get richer and richer.  Don't look for his followers to wake up and see this idiot administration for what it is.  Instead, look for them to become frustrated because their own lives will be falling apart, and look for the anger, hatred and rage on their part to increase.  Look at this board.  It's happening already, and it's only going to get worse.  Just wait. 


    Wussies? Why should it matter if someone is

    a wussy or not on a political message board?  Is that your way of admitting that you're a bully?


    It's a real shame that your mother didn't take the time to teach you how to treat people, didn't take the time to teach you manners.  She let a vicious animal loose on society, and that's really sad....for society.


    It wouldn't matter what we said.
    Their reaction would be the same.  I suppose I could have raged against a thousand perceived wrongs, assumed that everyone knew my history, and called a poster who dared to question -what makes you think we haven't- as some kind of insensitive heartless slam.  The real truth is much deeper and darker than that.  I am not quite sure why people choose to tell their deepest darkest secrets on chat boards.  Is it so that later on, someone might forget something they never knew, in order to attack that person with out of control fury, as some on this board are wont to do.  Of course, my sympathy goes out ot anyone who loses a loved one NO MATTER WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY DIED.  But perhaps my sympathy should be more reserved for those who feel the need to constantly attack, denigrate, misinterpret (deliberately?), hound, and judge those who challenge an ideal.  Having said that, I find some on here who post disturbed.  Merry Christmas to all.  My last post here.  If anyone cares to respond, I will not see it. 
    That's a matter of opinion.

    No a matter of opinion is
    the fact that you don't like the president, but overly demonizing him and lumping him in with an evil person bent on destroying Israel and the United States is blatant over dramatization.
    It doesn't matter when. sm
    The bill is about when and not now, meaning NOW, prisoners taken in war are dealt with by us.  The bill is about when Iraq becomes a full democracy and has nothing to do with who cares most about the soldiers.  This just caught my eye on the menu because it is wrong headed. And, if it were true, the media would be headlining it.  They aren't. 
    Here is the crux of the matter.

    Embryonic stem cell research has been misrepresented.  To the gullible public, who will believe ads like the one Michael J. Fox put out there, ESC has become the panacea and cure-all for all time.  But it just isn't true. This quote from the article you posted, Brunson, is very important.


    Reckless Hype and Overselling
    Most of the campaign’s other ads have focused on “cures.” One shows a doctor saying that far from endangering women stem-cell research “could lead to cures for diseases that concern women like ovarian cancer.” Presumably the stem-cell treatment in question is bone marrow transplantation, an adult stem-cell technique widely in use for decades, and one in no way threatened by any legal barriers or related to embryonic stem cells or cloning. Another ad shows a pediatrician saying stem cells could help his patients, but offering no details. Another shows an Alzheimer’s researcher saying “stem cell research offers the promise of cures” for “so many devastating diseases like Alzheimer’s disease,” but offers no evidence to counter the near consensus in the field that this simply is not so. Many of these disingenuous ads repeat the claim that the initiative would ban human cloning, and none of the ads mention that all stem-cell research is already legal in Missouri and there are no prospects for that changing, or that the referendum would not support any new research.


    ******


    We simply must educate ourselves and maybe, in the end, examine what our belief system is about life.  Morally and ethically I believe ESC research to be wrong. It will be the crowning touch down the long downward spiral we started on when we legalized abortion. 


    I will end with a quote from President Bush from the same speech I referenced in another post, where he was speaking to parents of adopted children. 


    (quote)The children here today remind us that there is no such thing as a spare embryo. Every embryo is unique and genetically complete, like every other human being. And each of us started out our life this way. These lives are not raw material to be exploited, but gifts. And I commend each of the families here today for accepting the gift of these children and offering them the gift of your love.(unquote)


    In the end, it comes down to respecting life and God.  The decision lies with each of us.  I choose life.


    It does not matter who votes for it or against it....
    it is morally wrong. Because it is legal does not make it right. While I will obey the law of the land, as my faith teaches me to do, I will continue to speak out against a procedure that is murder, no matter who chooses it. See link if you do not believe that life begins at conception. View that and tell me that abortion is not killing a living baby and then defend it as right because someone chooses it. That choice is choosing to kill a child. The one portion of this. If you feel that a woman needs a choice of whether or not to kill a baby, so be it, that is your right and I respect your right to say it. I do not and will continue to speak against it, and I hope that you believe it is my right to do that as well. Some of us must speak for the most innocent who cannot speak for themselves.

    http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=76c82299-9a7a-4656-8ec4-0f6fc1fd6ae0&f=06/64&fg=copy
    It's a matter of opinion.

    You were lying about your information being non-partisan.


    As far as Plame being covert or not before the "leak" -- that is a matter of opinion.  Please do not state it as unassailable fact that was already outed.  Because something is listed as fact in a far right-wing publication does not make it true.  That's common sense lesson #1 for today....just as I would say because Michael Moore states something as fact also does not make it so. 


    Like I said, no matter how you try to twist it,
    xx
    doesn't matter to me
    I think my candidate could hold his own against either one of those, but everyone has to protect "poor Sarah." Frankly, I don't want a leader that has to be handled with kid gloves. Geez.
    Doesn't matter. I will NOT be in ANY way...
    responsible for putting Barack Obama in the White House. NO WAY. NO HOW.
    Race does not matter to me....

    I have always voted for dems regardless of race.  Had Hiliary made it through the primary, I would vote for her, even though I personally believe that our country is not ready a female to hold that position.  I speak from a female point of view and we are too often guided by our feelings and make rash decisions, but later end up regretting our action because we did not think it through.  I would love to have Bill back as our president, life was good and he worked for the people. 


    so i guess it won't really matter to you

    No it really doesn't matter..
    I tune in just about everyday just to hear her and Joy go at it. Joy is rude, typical New Yorker I can say that, I am from there, so no flaming.
    As a matter of fact, I do ...
    ... and as a (rational) independent, I find it really important to know all sides of all stories.

    And, until this alleged tape of Michelle Obama is released and proven to absolutely be her, you are basing all of this on really sketchy accusations made by a relatively unprofessional news outlet.

    Wasn't enough learned yesterday, upon people ranting and raving about this Ashley Todd atrocity, that accusations should not be put forth as absolute truth until all facts are in?
    As a matter of fact, I have been
    working at a convenience store during my college years. That is precisely WHY I want stricter handgun control and regulations that would seek to keep illegal handguns off the street and out of the hands of criminals. Obama simply believes that states out to have the authority to regulate and that the fed govt should not impede initiatives that address gun-free zones. For God's sake, if we can ban cigarettes from the workplace, public buildings and restaurants (which smoker's didn't like a bit) surely gun-free zones aimed at public safety (particularly when it comes to protecting children) should not be out of the question.
    do you think if she were black it would have matter?
    So sad.
    Right to choose........no matter what? sm
    Then by the same token, it is a woman's right to choose (or choice) to have sex in the first place, apart from incest and/or rape. In those 2 instances, the woman truly has no choice. However, I still do not believe that murdering a child is the answer. And I'm paying for children born out of wedlock anyway through my taxes.

    "Just because someone adopts a child does not mean they are good parents." True, but there are also children in this world whose natural parents are not good parents.

    Finally....I think you misunderstood my stance on doctors refusing to do abortions. In order to treat STDs, a doctor does not have to murder someone. In order to treat AIDS, a doctor does not have to murder someone. These are diseases which REQUIRE treatment in order for the patient to live. Conversely, in order to treat an unwanted pregnancy through abortion, a doctor MUST PERFORM MURDER, regardless of the gestational age of the baby. If a doctor does not believe that murder is right, then I believe he is within his God-given right to refuse to perform an abortion. I believe nurses and scrub techs and other support staff are also within their right to refuse to participate in such a procedure based on their religious beliefs/moral convictions.


    Wouldn't matter

    if it isn't the b.c. then it would be Ayers, auntie or who knows what else.  He is right to ignore this poppycock.  You and I both know if his b.c. was not legitimate the McCain campaign would have drug out proof.  How the heck else did they find some obscure possible aunt living in a housing project in the country illegally?  That and you want me to believe they couldn't find out which hospital he was born in or whether he is an American citizen?  Maybe one's reasoning ability improves with age, I don't know. 


    As a matter of fact, yes it is (sm)

    Actually the BBC is known for publishing both sides.  So, in this case you wouldn't necessarily go to who published it as much as who actually wrote it.  And the winner is.....


    Peter Wehner
    Former deputy assistant to President Bush


    i think that it doesn't really matter who won
    We're in the economic crapper either way. Now the pubs will be able to blame the dems for the next 4 years.
    In all fairness, it won't matter if they
    do want to attend to anything with a dem majority. Think Pelosi will get that private plane now? LOL. The party needs to reboot, that's for sure. This is exactly why I don't like a one party majority. We need those checks and balances from both sides, brilliantly set up by our forefathers.
    doesn't matter

    where I live or where you live.  A republican who tries to suppress voter turnout by declaring that registrations on a certain weight of paper are invalid is not a good guy. Notice he was voted out of office?  All youse defending Joe the Plumber and condemning a corrupt public official have your head screwed on backwards. The dems are in control now, so bleat on as you wish.  we will defend your right to opinion as well as own.  We're just that kinda folk.


     


     


    This is all a matter of opinion
    Depending on your beliefs you could argue with people til the cows come home. I think the analogy of the doc saying kill the baby that's been born "in the mother's arms" was just silly. No doctor would ever say that to their patient and then act smug as though he's made a point. Last I knew abortion is not a crime, so the article is wrong when it says "The crime is the same", because it is not a crime.

    Yes, you can argue all you want about whether you think a fetus is a blob or a human. Heart beats around 6-10 weeks (nobody's been able to prove it is sooner), brain and nerves form around 5-6 weeks. I would say the nerves would conduct pain the baby would feel, but the brain is not developed and does not know what is happening.

    So argue all you want, but the truth is they are your opinions and that is all. Nobody is right or wrong on this, it all depends on how you look at things. If you don't believe in it fine, if you don't care and think it's okay fine too. Just stop telling others what they should do based on your beliefs. That is between the mother, her doctor and the creator.
    Doesn't matter what you THINK you know
    One of my best friends is an immigration lawyer and also does adoption from foreign countries. He knows the laws and says Indonesia does NOT have dual citizenship.....never has with the U.S. and the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia.

    Dealing with countries that do not recognize dual citizenship is not the same as say dealing with Great Britain.

    Under Indonesian law, if a parent renounces a child's citizenship to another country, that is all that matters. That child no longer has U.S. citizenship......period!!! His stepfather renounced his citizenship to the U.S., whether you like it or not.

    Now, if Obama wanted to renounce his citizenship to Indonesia, he could have done so at the appropriate age of adulthood, but he did not. Even then, it takes a lot more in Indonesia that just renouncing....a lot of mumbo jumbo and red tape to do that as well.


    Indonesia does have a law starting in ག that supposedly would allow dual citizenship, but it still hasn't gotten roots yet and really no one has been able to even get dual citizenship with this supposed law, so like it or not, Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen.

    Should not matter if he won by "landslide" if he is
    nm
    I actually disagree, it does matter...
    whether or not Obama smokes. This is a person that children in the United States are supposed to look up to and admire, so now, not only does he smoke, he lies about it. Great role model. I DO think that it is irresponsible for him to be smoking, especially given the amount of media he purposely receives.
    Doesn't matter what name you use, we
    out in the crowd, you always manage to make a point.
    Yes, as a matter of fact I did....
    feel that way on 11/3/08.  I also felt that way in 2000 when many dems (including myself) thought that Bush stole the election.  I was furious, but what was I going to do?  Leave the country?  Start a civil war?  No, I obviously, like the rest of the dems, had to just deal with the consequences, which we are seeing now.  This is not trying to slam Bush.  This is simply to show that there are huge differences in the parties that have, can and will be overcome.
    Yeah, they will do it anyway. Why does it matter if
    nm
    What's a matter, did I hit a nerve?
    Maybe you should put a disclaimer on your posts to make it clear that you are just playing and dreaming.
    what would that matter? you want to bail them out?
    nm
    I think it won't necessarily be a matter
    of fooling us.  The question may be:  Will he manage to 'spread the wealth' to a greater number of people than he's ripped off? 
    I don't think its a matter of not "getting" it....(sm)

    I think it just means different things to different people -- for example in my case it has nothing to do with religion.  My husband and I are both athiests, no ceremony, went to the JP, and basically just got married for the benefits it afforded.  We would have been just as happy without the piece of paper.  I think that's why it just seems wrong to me for people to say that gays can't be married because their marriage wouldn't meet the defninition of marriage in the Bible, because I doubt my marriage would meet that criteria either since we are athiests, and yet noone has a problem with it.


    I think AnudderMT has a good idea with the separation of ceremonies/unions for religious purposes.


    Or what you are blogging, for that matter........ nm
    x
    It doesn't matter how well he does
    They will complain no matter what he does.

    Tell me that's not prejudiced.
    yes, this IS the problem. It does matter because
    the Palestinians put up the fight against occupation already for over 60 years (1948), they only want the Westbank as their state.

    Iran is a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause and Iran takes this as justification for their nuclear ongoing development.

    You see, it is all intermingled and intertwined and the solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would solve a lot of problems and make the world a safer place.


    according to you, just everything, no matter how hard and what
    way O tries, is wrong.
    This isn't a matter of degrading ourselves...(sm)

    That's already been done by the previous administration.  It's about gaining credibility and actually adhering to the law.  Just "letting it go" is not an option.  Why would you want to just "let it go" anyway?  Because it's messy?  And believe me, releasing this stuff is not going to endanger our troops anymore than they already are.  I can guarantee our enemies already know all too well what we subjected their people to.  More than likely they know much more than we will ever know.  So, that arguement simply doesn't hold water.


    Just let it go my behind.  What would you have said if someone had said after 9-11 to just let it go because it's going to get messy.


    You guys need to wake up.  If the laws in this country are not going to be enforced, what's the point of having them?


    It doesn't matter to me (for the third time). I like him. NM
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