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What I find so dang ironic about this bailout...

Posted By: sam on 2008-09-27
In Reply to: Is there anyone on this board who has no savings...sm - nm

is that the people who got us INTO this mess are the major negotiators in this bailout. Just shakin' my head. No one should vote those slackers back in, that's for sure!! Pelosi for lying to cover it up, Dodd and Frank for being up to their eyeballs in it, Obama for being asleep at the wheel, too busy running for President to pay attention to the looming danger...grrrr. I am not a Democrat, but if I was I would be screaming to the high heaven at my party for selling me down the river. Sigh.


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I find it ironic
you both spelled imbecilic incorrectly. Okay everyone can blast me now for being the spelling police. Fire away.
What I find rather ironic is the fact

that you people spew out that we refuse to listen to intelligence explanations of your view points and yet....I do believe you refuse to listen to our intelligent explanation of our view points.  I have listened to your side and I still feel that the Obama administration is wrong in what they are trying to accomplish.  We have no money and yet our government keeps spending it and handing it out like we have loads of it.  It honestly amazes me that you people can't see the problem with this. 


As for me....I have listened to both sides and I'm watching what is going on as opposed to just listening to Obama's mesmerizing teleprompter speeches.  His words and his actions are two different things.  I've made my decision and yes, I want Obama to fail because I feel that his agenda for our country will ruin it and who would want that.


It is also ironic that the same people who protested and complained about Bush never seemed to call themselves unpatriotic but now because a crat is in the white house, we are all unpatriotic for questioning his motives and judgment.  The double standards make me wanna puke. 


As for the comments about the tea parties....I think it is rather rude and offensive for people to assume that the tea parties were nothing but a hate democrat/Obama rally.  For those of you who can't get it through your thick skulls....this isn't about democrats.  I do believe there were many signs that said republicans suck too.  How do you explain that if it was a rally against the democrats?  As for Obama, this isn't entirely about Obama.  It is about government as a whole.  So for those saying that it was a racist rally.....give me a break.  You can't blame everything on race here and yet that is all I hear.  You don't agree with Obama so you must be racist.  That just shows how narrow minded and racist some of you are.  There are other issues out there and all some of you can focus on is race.  Trust me....Obama's race is the last thing on my mind right now. 


Does anyone else not find it totally ironic that our next president's sm

middle name is Hussein? I mean, you don't have to be a Bible-believing Christian to think that it is totally eerie and shows that God has probably completely taken his hand off of America to "let it be whatever it wants to be" since we are not listening to Him anymore anyway. Everything seems to be anti-God nowadays and so we'll just have to see what is going to happen in the next 4 years. You think it was bad in early 2000, you just wait and see how bad America is going to get. I'm not for or against Obama in any way, I just think that he is just a "symbol" of what is going to be happening to America - false prosperity and feel-good speeches - but I think the antichrist in one of the nations will spill its wrath against us in a might way.


If my people who call me by name will humble themselves and turn from their wickedness then I will heal their land and show mercy....2 Chron.


dang
Dang, the link is not working on this site.  I will try to fix it or find out why and repost.  It works fine through emails sent to me and ones I have sent.  Dont know why it isnt posting here.  Anyway, I will keep trying.  If anyone wants to view these videos, which concern the war and 9/11 and other topical situations, you can email me at Siouxtears@yahoo.com and I will sent directly to you.
dang it!.......

The law signed by President Clinton on Aug. 22, 1996, has transformed the way the nation helps its neediest citizens. Gone is the promise of a government check for parents raising children in poverty. In its place are 50 state programs to help those parents get jobs.


In the 12 years since caseloads peaked at 5.1 million families in 1994, millions have left the welfare rolls for low-paying jobs. Nearly 1 million more have been kicked off for not following states' rules or have used up all the benefits they're allowed under time limits. Today, 1.9 million families get cash benefits; in one-third of them, only the children qualify for aid. About 38% of those still on welfare are black, 33% white and 24% Hispanic.


Three in four families on welfare are headed by unmarried women. As a result, employment rates for all single women rose 25% before declining slightly since 2001. Earnings for the poorest 40% of families headed by women doubled from 1994 to 2000, before recession wiped out nearly half the gains. Poverty rates for children fell 25% before rising 10% since 2000.


"It was a profoundly important philosophic shift," says Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Michael Leavitt, who was governor of Utah when the law was implemented. "This was ... one of the few things in a decade you can look at and say the world really changed."


Dang it!
It was really funny.  Okay....try it this way if you want.  Go to Google and type in redneck.  There should be 4 pictures at the top.  Click on the third one from the left.  It is the old guy holding the beer cans.  LOL. 
Dang, Zauber!
Read your posts twice and am suddenly wondering if I know you and/or if you're my NEIGHBOR, because from your descriptions, I swear I've met the same people you've met!  You flawlessly captured their essence very eloquently.  And I agree with every single thing you said!
Dang you are nasty.

read ur post again.  U R talking about it like its true.  Maybe U can't see it but i can.


LOL...Dang...sounds like
we got a bunch of ole hillbillies on this board and I'm lovin it.  So don't no one get their overhauls in a bunch!  LOL.
You got that did ya? Bitter? You dang right
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You dang right--- I DON'T WANT HIM TO SUCCEED! That would
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Dang! then I could have gotten a free education
because I'm 1/8 Indian???

Even if Ward is a tad Indian that doesn't mean he was brought up in the culture and was qualified to speak for Indians. He's not even qualified to speak for 99% Americans given the stuff he spews.
Dang! 208 to 228 didn't lose by much (sm)

Both Suzy Orman and Jim Cramer were on the Today show and they thought it was a good deal which, I might add, surprised me.


I wonder what will happen now.


There goes my 401K!


And isn't it ironic that the ones

who staunchly defend this lying idiot president when he doesn't play by the rules when it comes toobeying the law and honoring the Constitution are the same ones who refuse to play by the monitor's rules on this board?


What is ironic
It's ironic that a country that was originally based on freedoms as well as freedom of religious persecution, and as a place for a mix of cultures....has become so incredibly shallow and dopey as to condemn someone because of their middle name.  It is astounding.  You really should be addressing your bigotry and animosity toward Obama's mother (who is dead) as this was totally her deicision, NOT HIS. 
How ironic about the AMA.
I read somewhere not too long ago, and please forgive me, I can't remember where, that the AMA lobbied against reform during someone else's push for it. I'll have to do some digging on exactly who and the specifics, but I think it is rather ironic that they are now jumping in the fight regardless of how big a role they eventually play.

I just don't think that mandating people to buy insurance or forcing employers to provide it for their employees is the answer either. I like the buy-in to Medicare idea which is part of Edwards plan (I think Obama's too for that matter).

Most people are grossly under insured as it is. I have decent coverage, 80/20 split. But even then if something catastrophic happens to my family, how on earth could we pay 20% of a million dollars? That's not being dramatic either. I have a friend who had a baby premature, 21 weeks believe or not and healthy as can be now, but the costs were a million and a half and that was eight/nine years ago. Probably tack on a few hundred thousand more by now.
I think it is ironic........
when people use foreign words or derivatives and do NOT know how to use them correctly. Then use an ENGLISH expression, or LOOK it up, and don't try to show off. You make yourself just laughable. LOL
You know what is ironic.....

President Obama stated several times yesterday about how we shouldn't use the same ideas as the pubs because why continue to do things that didn't work.  Great point, President Obama.....so what gives with the stimulus package?  Uh....didn't Bushy do that.  I mean.....that was called a bailout but still....same idea.  So if we shouldn't repeat things that didn't work....why are you pushing so hard for this spendulous package that, just like Bushy's bailout, WON'T WORK! 


Dang..We do not want a warring America anymore

 


These people are my heros..Protestors are my heros!  True patriots one and all.







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How ironic that you lecture about
when the administration you support apparently has never heard of it.
I just found it ironic
The way she describes Obama is how the serpent is described. That's all. Relax.

Obama is not everything to assume I see evil in everything. Besides, I never said he was evil. I just haven't been lured into his candy promises just because of his "velvety" voice and great rhetoric. He's good, I'll give him that.
LOL...that is kind of ironic...(sm)

One thing I have noticed though is that after EVERY administration (dem or pub) we always find out that things are always worse than portrayed.  That's one thing I like about Obama's idea of transparency in gov.  I doubt it will be perfect, but I think it might be the beginning of gov accountability that we haven't seen before.


Have you been to whitehouse.gov yet?  Pretty awesome.  It shows everything from his agenda with explanations to the actual executive orders he does.  I'm sure some will say it's slanted in favor of Obama, but I think it would be hard to dispute when they are showing the actual documents he signs. 


Pretty ironic, isn't it............ sm
or maybe not, that the complainer was from another country who came to the United States to seek a better life. Maybe her visa/citizenship papers need to be reviewed. Perhaps she would be less "offended" if she were to go back where she came from.

The other posters are right. Rights are slowly but surely being stripped away in favor of "tolerance." We will all be marching in jack boots soon enough.
Aww dang it! I looove polar bears. My boyfriend will fix that too! nm
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That's very true; however, kind of ironic
how some wouldn't vote for McCain because of his ties with Bush, but now, here come the Clintons. So much for change!
AWWW....you weren't supposed to tell anyone!! Can't keep a secret worth a dang!!

Bush is no friend of bin Laden and isn't it ironic
that the same person who spouts the first amendment is also the one who runs to the monitor when people say something she doesn't like? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ironic that you are on the Politics board when you aren't American
At least that what you say, that you're not from American and are European.

Interesting indeed...

Okay, now that I'm satisfied that you are indeed the poster I thought you were, I'm outta this thread.

Good luck, ladies!!!
Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement today. How ironic.

On a weekend when we are all preparing to celebrate our independence, some of us can get ready to kiss that very same independence goodbye.


If Bush stays true to his "base" and the Democrats are unsuccessful in what I hope will be a very aggressive filibuster (if the candidate does turn out to be someone who is unwilling to substitute the Constitution for the Bible), we will have conservatives chipping away at our independence: controlling our lives, our deaths, defining which God is "politically correct," who people with the "wrong" orientation are "allowed" to love, etc., etc., etc.


I wonder how much "independence" we will have left to celebrate on July 4, 2006.


find out. I find sam's posts to the point
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I couldn't find that one but I did find this

S.Amdt.4170: To protect families, family farms and small businessees by extending the income tax rate structure, raising the death tax exemption to $5 million and reducing the maximum death tax rate to no more than 35%; to keep education affordable extending the college tuition deduction; and to protect senior citizens from higher taxes on their retirement income, maintain U.S. financial market competitiveness, and promote economic growth by extending the lower tax rates on dividents and capital gains.


NAY: Biden and Obama   YEA: McCalin


I.E., this is in the voting record in the public records. There are not too many voting records there for the O since he started his campaign and most of those he voted NAY or say Not Voting.


 


Well, then, please find me one that you find to be racist.

Bailout

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of our money, frist by inflation and then by deflation; the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks) will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered"


-President Thomas Jefferson


here's your bailout
I think that all the CEOs of the big three along with all their members of the board and whatnot, all the big wigs, that have made millions screwing people over for years and years should dip into their OWN pockets and sell a few houses, cancel a few vacations, cash in a few money markets and get their own companies out of debt.  Then, when the books are balanced, the people who have been making 80,000 a year to push a button should take a pay cut and NOT go on strike and live like the rest of real America.  Then they should be fine.
Bailout
if they fail, do you realize it would affect everyone. Millions of jobs in the auto industry alone. If people don't have jobs, they can't spend money anywhere. Stores will start to close, etc. It will affect everyone.
Bailout
I totally agree 1000% with your analysis - the only time these greedy CEO's give a hoot about us is when they see their profits increase.  You can bet your last five cents that if one of us went to them asking for money - they would call the police!!  It would be interesting to see  the salaries of CEO's in Europe as opposed to what these guys continually fleece us for...
About That First Bailout
Do you remember who told us "we had to act now or we might face dooms day (sic)" with all that bailout money? It was Hank Paulsen and George Bush. We may as well have flushed that first TARP payment down the toilet. There was no accountability, and no one knows where all that money went.

At least the present stimulus package has accountability built into it and some limits as to what can and can't be done with the money.
the bailout IS making

the US a socialist country - compliments of your beloved GWB and McPalin. congratulations you got your wish.


 


No Bailout for the rich
Say no to the bailout.  The FBI is investigating all of these companies for criminal mortgage fraud.
Why the rush for the bailout

There Is No Crisis--Summary by: Chris BowersTue Sep 23, 2008 at 16:22


Things are getting a little suspicious about this crisis.


1) Why did the Bush administration suddenly declare a crisis during the final two weeks when Congress would be in session during his presidency? Is it maybe because, after the election, Congress would know it wasn't dealing with Bush anymore?


2) If this is such a sudden crisis, why is it that the Bush administration was drawing up the plan for this bill for months beforehand?


3) Why is it that Congress is supposed to bail out many banks and firms that are actually quite successful and profitable right now, and not just those that are failing?


4) Why is Paulson blatantly lying to Congress about oversight?


5) Where did the $700 billion figure come from?


6) Why is Paulson urging that debate on the matter be held after the legislation is passed?The burden of proof should always be placed on those who are demanding a huge government bailout, not upon those who are skeptical that one is needed. And yet the questions keep mounting, with no answers in sight.


I am not saying that there is no need for government intervention. I am saying that the case for a $700 billion bailout is far from having been made. Until the case is made, there is no need to go forward. We will elect a new President in 42 days. We swear in a new Congress in 103 days. What is the rush? Why does this all of a sudden need to be done while the Bush administration is still in charge? The case hasn't been made, and answers are slow in coming, if they come at all. Chris Bowers :: There Is No Crisis--Summary


I don't agree with the bailout

We have some savings, but we still live paycheck-to-paycheck, not wanting to touch the savings.  I really don't agree that we taxpayers should have to fund this.  I think that the higher ups that walked away with 100s of thousands or even millions should have to pay for this.  Charge them with fraud and make them give it back.  I certainly don't feel I've put anyone in this situation and therefore don't feel I should have to pay for it. 


only 24% of us support the bailout
Yesterday it was reported only 24% of Americans support the bailout, 56% are opposed so 20% have no opinion. Senators' and reps' offices were flooded with calls and emails all day asking that the bailout be opposed. And I was one of those. Everyone should be contacting their own reps to express their opinions. That's they only way they will know what the people want.
Yes, and how about the bailout, ACORN, and
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Well.....look at it this way....if they don't push this bailout...
there are folks who know "where the bodies are buried." There is probably so much we DON'T know about all this...and yes, it is disgusting. Dodd and Frank, if they had an ounce of integrity, would apologize to the American people and resign. Pelosi, if SHE had an ounce of integrity, would demand it. So far John McCain is the ONLY one who has said someone should resign, and that was Christopher Cox, the Republican head of the SEC. He SHOULD resign. So should the treasury secretary, Paulson. Every member of that committee that voted back in 2006 to kill the bill McCain co-sponsored should resign. They should all be investigated criminally as well as far as I am concerned. I know the FBI is looking at Fannie/Freddie but talk about a day late and dollar short after Raines, Johnson, Howard, and Gorelick raped the American public for millions.

You're right. They should ALL have to go and start over.
SNL skit on the bailout. sm
Funny but sad because it is true.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/37758/saturday-night-live-c-span-bailout#s-p1-st-i1
TheSmokingGun/bailout
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1007083aig1.html
AIG spa trip, right after gov. bailout approved. This is disgusting.
Not a bailout, entirely voluntary (nm

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I think we MT's need a bonus and a bailout!
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Again, I don't think the problem is the bailout itself, (sm)
but rather the way it's used, which right now leaves a lot to be desired.  As far as the rest of the country being screwed, well that's coming either way.  We have 2 choices--we can either do nothing, lose millions of jobs and go into a full-blown depression; or we can take a chance with bailing them out (preferably with stipulations) and owe a lot of money.  I think my preference would be to pay more taxes if need be, but still have a job so I could feed my family instead of not being able to do either of the above.
But, the first bailout passed because
the dems had the majority of votes. Am I right or did I lose my mind? DON"T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE. LOL
Bailout dies in Senate.........sm
It's over, at least for this year.  I don't know, and the article did not state, whether there will be more talks after the first of the year. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4B50CL20081212?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews