What about the thousands of men and women
Posted By: Stardust on 2008-11-01
In Reply to: You ain't gonna like losing. - m
who lost their lives in that "mistake" that Bush made. Maybe that should be in that post too. I bet their families feel like they had plenty of courage.
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What happened to women sticking up for women?
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There were thousands of voters........ sm
who voted in this election who were not informed or educated on the issues or the candidates. I don't see much of a difference, do you?
tens of thousands dead
and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's and 1,744+ brave American soldiers are dead. So..lets see here..Saddam was responsible for killing thousands and Bush is responsible for killing tens of thousands.hmmm..hey, are Bush and Saddam brothers separated at birth..two fools with a thirst for blood? Seems like they are both war criminals. Saddam thumbs his nose at the world community and does what he wants..Bush thumbs his nose at the world community, the International Court of Justice and Geneva Convention and does what he wants..hmmm..they gotta be brothers, well, at least blood brothers.
seems to me thousands spoke this weekend
Seems to me most of the country takes Cindy Sheehan seriously and are behind her 100%. This weekends protests in DC, CA, NY, Ohio and other states prove it..When you look at the anti war protests compared to the pro war protests, tells you what the majority of the country wants..ending of the Iraq war.
The ten's of thousands not covered by media
Perhaps that's why they declared open season on reporters who tried to get the truth out, especially about the heavy-handed police gestapo tactics, all too common in a post 9/11 Patriot Act world (where misdemeanors are ratcheted up to charges of terrorism), riddled with politics of fear and being promoted inside the convention hall.
unless you are talking thousands of friends,
I don't think your sample is statistically significant. Obama has led in the polls except for one week for the entire season. Once the Palin myth was unmasked, Obama bounced right back up. Never in the history of the any country anywhere has someone sustained such a lengthy lead and then went on to lose (if you don't count the last election's fraud).
No doubt there will be thousands more excuses
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What about the thousands that died in WWII to
keep us free from the nazi regime/communism? What about the Korean War? They died, too, to keep communism from spreading.
Viet Nam was another story. They died and people here were so outspoken about it (just like it is happening now), and that it brought the moral of the tropps down. When our president pulled them out so quick, all he-- broke out. The Viet Cong and Cambodia armies slaughtered thousands.
Those fighting now mostly support and believe in what they are doing. If the troops are pulled out as quick as O wants, the same thing may happen there. This is why they are trying to get Iraq's military and police set up so another Viet Nam will not happen. Support our troops.
I defend anyone who tried to save thousands of
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Thousands may have been dead at the hands of Saddam anyway, what with
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Bush lied and thousands died!
Reaping the rewards.
torture,-if waterboarding can save thousands of
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The book of Revelations was written thousands of years ago.
Why do you think it pertains in any way to our time and not to the time in which it was written? Why do people think it is some sort of prophecy for their particular lifetime? Does no one study the history of the bible anymore? I am so saddened and appalled by the lack of theological and historical education in churches. If people don't even understand the documents of their own faiths,then there is never any hope for understand people of another faith.
Thousands show up to protest at UN today urging end to war Iraq.
Reuters: By Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss
NEW YORK, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Thousands of protesters including former American soldiers rallied outside U.N. headquarters on Tuesday, urging the U.S. government to end the war in Iraq and bring home the troops.
Nearby, about 200 other protesters demonstrated against the presence of the Iranian president, others called for human rights in Myanmar, and just a handful demonstrated to press claims the United States orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks.
While world leaders gathered at the U.N. General Assembly inside, about 2,000 anti-Iraq war protesters chanted Peace can work, no more war half an hour before U.S. President George W. Bush spoke.
This war has drained the economy and has cost a lot of lives, said Claire Thompson, a nurse and union leader. We're calling on our leaders to end this unsustainable war and just bring the troops back home.
There have been 2,681 U.S. military deaths since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to Pentagon figures, and 147,000 U.S. troops are serving there. At least tens of thousands of Iraqis also have died in the war.
People in Iraq also want to end the war. We want our country back, said Raed Jarrar, an Iraqi-American who moved to the United States last year.
Iranian-Americans rallied outside the U.N. headquarters, protesting the presence of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the General Assembly.
I am outraged by the presence of Iran at the U.N. general assembly. I think Ahmadinejad's actions and statements are pushing Iran to war, said Shirin Narunan, a leader of the Ad Hoc Committee to Stop Iran's Nuclear Weapons.
Iran, saying its nuclear program is for civilian purposes, has declined to suspend its uranium enrichment program despite U.N. Security Council demands to do so.
Burmese pro-democracy activists demanded the dissolution of the country's pro-junta organization, the Union Solidarity and Development Association, and the release of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi who has been in prison since 1990.
A group of protesters claimed that the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks on Sept. 11. Les Jamison, an event coordinator of NY 911 Truth, said the 9/11 tragedy was scripted by the U.S. government to regain military might.
So the thousands getting laid off weekly are to blame for losing their homes???? nm
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Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs/his words
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Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs
Fred Jackson - OneNewsNow.com - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM
The nation's coal industry is in shock today with word that Barack Obama plans to put such severe penalties on coal-fired power plants that it will bankrupt them. A coalition of business leaders says such a move would jeopardize the jobs of hundreds of thousands of people who work in the coal industry.
Senator Obama's plan for putting severe financial penalties on coal-fired power plants has been made public on a YouTube video which contains audio of comments he made in San Francisco in January 2008.
"What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there," the Democratic presidential candidate said. "I was the first to call for a hundred-percent auction on the cap-and-trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.
"So if somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can," Obama concluded. "It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greeenhouse gas that's being emitted."
A press release from the Western Business Roundtable is calling on politicians of all stripes to denounce such a plan, and encouraging voters to hold those politicans accountable for whether they support the coal industry.
Below is the actual audio - click to listen.
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It wasn't campaign donations that paid for thousands of dollars in kids' travel
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Yes, right, because all of the women who
have abortions are simply sluts who can't keep their legs closed. Nobody has an abortion because they were raped and victims of a horrible abuse.
I'm not for abortion but I don't have to be pro-life to see the ignorance in your post.
Both are very beautiful women. nm
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Right back at ya! Come over here where women....
are not dissed by their party. Our door is always open! :)
No, I don't hate women....
....and I don't necessarily hate dems, either. Hate is too strong of a word, and not worth the effort.
But I sure do dislike a bunch of women, and most of the ones I dislike happen to be democrats, who want to be taken care of by the social democrat party.
So much for your women libbers and feminists. I never could quite understand how feminists could be dems, as they sure don't want to be taken care of by men. Then why would they let the government try to take complete control over their lives. Explain that one for me, please. I just shake my head at you all, I really do.
And by the way, do you have some crystal ball that you know exactly why McCain chose Palin to be his running mate? I sincerely doubt any women will come running over to his side to vote, but you can sure bet he shored up his conservative base, which I believe was his intention. And it's going to work, too.
Obama/Biden don't stand a chance. Just wait and watch.
We will....and so will a lot of women out there in America...
who identify with her. THere is a reason Obama said to leave her alone.
embarassment to women?
I'm a woman and not embarassed, that would be your opinion. There were plenty of more qualified democratic candidates also but look who we got, Barack Obama.
Sure, most all women who believe in murdering
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Seriously. Why do you suppose women
The onus of birth control is not gender specific. My own son learned this lesson when he was 9 years old when his only cousin was diagnosed with HIV. He takes precautions and asks the right questions. He does not have sex with women who are not willing to show him the pill or discuss openly with him how they would respond to an unwanted pregnancy...and he makes his own views plainly known in no uncertain terms...that he does not feel he is ready for the responsibilities of fatherhood and that he ALSO has the right to make this decision without moral persecution.
Most women share the news of a pregnancy with the father in the hopes that he will take on the responsibilities of fatherhood. The ones who do not more than likely already know what the answer will be. Unwanted pregnancies have a way isolating the mother, blaming her for having gotten pregnant in the first place in much the same way you have inferred in your parting shot (as though the father has suddenly become canceled out of the equation) and giving all sorts of folks license to condemn and weigh in on the decision. In the event that support is forthcoming, most women WILL have the child more often than not.
So, it's okay with you for women to not receive....
equal wages for equal work. Maybe you would be okay with us just going back to the stick at home and support your man theory. Maybe we shouldn't think for ourselves. Why don't you come to the rescue for Obama, or anyone else for that matter? She is a politician by choice, and we all know the scrutiny and criticism that comes with that. I don't plan on treating her with kid gloves just because she has a vagina. You, on the other hand seem to have a double standard, and that double standard does not help with the cause for equality for women.
So are you saying that all women should be pro-choice or
they are an insult to women as a whole?
They are not children. They are grown women.
It's their choice. Can you say with certainty that if one of them or both of them came to George Bush and said I am joining the Marines he would talk them out of it? I just don't see it that way. At any rate, again, they have a mind of their own.
I agree. Women will have them - legal or not
Although I don't think I would ever consider abortion personally and am also sickened by people who have them over and over again (get your tubes tied darn it!!!), I believe women will have them regardless of if they are legal or not, so I think it is much safer if they remain legal.
I also think the woman should have the choice of what to do with something that is actually inside of her body. She is the one ultimately 100% responsible for the medical bills due to the pregnancy, the emotional toll and physical risks of the pregnancy, and the child's well being afterwards. The man can get off scott free if he wants and skip from job to job to avoid paying child support, so it should definitely be up to the woman.
I also find it odd that many pro-life Republicans are so adamant that each baby have a chance to be born, but yet if that baby is born to a lower-class mother many (not all) don't want a dime of their money to go to help that baby with healthcare costs or any other costs that could help the child after it's actually born. Where is the deep concern for the children that are actually living?
Though the thought of abortion is definitely disturbing to me, I do not believe at less than 3 months old a baby's nerves are developed enough to feel pain as they are aborted, but I know for a fact many children in the USA are being abused and neglected on a daily basis because they were unwanted, and my heart breaks for them. There are over 100,000 foster kids in the USA right now that need good homes and more resources, and I think our focus should be on helping these children first. My sister has 2 amazing foster kids, and I really wish the anti-abortion activists would focus on fostering or helping the kids that are here now instead of focusing so much on fetuses that are inside of other women's bodies, and therefore really none of their business in my personal opinion. (I know some do foster and volunteer, but I have a sneaking suspicion that not all of them do!)
Where women are little more than breeding stock???
If some women were a little more discerning about who they slept with and a little more careful about taking precautions, we would not have to fix 2000+ "oopses" in a day. So go right ahead...fund irresponsibility, infanticide, and baby killing. Knock yourself out. Make planned parenthood richer. don't you think there is something sick about making a profit from killing babies??
Like women who are resistant to every form of BC
Before you start preaching to me about adoption, been there, done that. Easy for you to say from your ivory tower pulpit. Try it once of twice, like I did, and then come back and tell us all how right it is for "everyone concerned." Blinded to your own gender by right-wing dogma. Not exactly the perfect example to follow. Stay out of other people's business unless you know what you are talking about.
Women who "do" ABs or adoptions do NOT
None of us need spend a single second defending ourselves against this santimonious slop. Take it back to the church where it belongs and remember the Sermon on the Mount while you are at it...judge not, lest ye be judged.
You have a lot of nerve assuming these women
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Not according to what the public is saying out there...women are upset...sm
Palin is the complete opposite of Hillary being pro-Choice. Hillary voters are not voting for just any woman...go to other sites and read for yourself...
McCain's desperation is out in the open now and his judgement is in question.
The Dems only stand up for dem women....
the rest of us, unfortunately, are fair game, especially in election season.
I've had too many women bosses that were like
knowingly VOTE ONE INTO OFFICE as U.S. Vice-President. It would be more palatable have a root canal with no anesthetic.
You don't think there are strong, intelligent women...
who express their opinions in favor of Palin?
The conservative posters on this board are no more sensitive about Palin than the other side is about Obama.
It is not personal for me either. I'm sure Obama is a nice person...and I am personally sure he is not the right man for the #1 job. He has a socialist agenda and socialist policies and I think that would be disastrous for America. That in a nutshell is my problem with him.
Some liberal dem women are = most cruel to their own sex ....sm
than any people I've ever known in my life.
Not all liberal women, mind you, just some.
Women of Alaska - another view.
http://bigshow.bigfolio.com/?s=000011662&t=0e6a8ae03101be65098418ccb735e4a1
Definitely worth the watch
Well, there are liberal women in Alaska....
no kiddin! Geez. They borrowed the signs from the lower 48; heck, they may BE from the lower 48. Did anybody really think there were not liberal Democratic women in Alaska? This is news?
If men checking out women's butts ....
means they are not qualified to be President...take out the whole male race. Sheesh.
And you could have been a little less crude in your description.
Being led by his anatomy didn't seem to bother Clinton's ability to govern. Multiple affairs including one in the white house, but many Democrats think he was the second coming.
If Slick Willie could do it, I have no problem believing McCain could.
JFK had affairs. RFK had affairs. Why don't we just go down a tick list? Where was all the righteous indignation then?
You mean the other women who dare to present
Americans are not a monolith.
Good for her, they could use some women's rights over there.
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More pregnant women should be informed of this.
When I had my son, we donated his cord blood and it was all done for free. When I had my daughter four years later (and at a different hospital), we were told that we could store the cord blood, but not donate, and of course, storing means paying (way too much), so we didn't do it then. I probably should have done more checking around to see where we could have donated.
That one, I'm all for - if they could use that to find a cure for or treat cancer, MD, or anything else, imagine how fabulous that would be!!!
Why don't women have a right to choose suicide?
Why is it a woman can chose to murder an unborn child because it's "her body" - a scientific impossibility...
But if that woman decided to kill HERSELF - when it actually IS her body - it's a crime.
You promote abortion. The fact that you don't want to admit it proves that somewhere in your dank, shriveled-up little soul, there's at least one ounce of decency that knows what you're professing is wrong.
You are pro-abortion. You're just in denial about it. LIke every other "proud Liberal" lunatic.
Yes, many of them hire good-looking women
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You got your wish. An MP was shot in the leg by looters. Women are being raped.
Police are turning in their badges because they say their homes are gone and it isn't worth it to them to get shot stopping looters. There is anarchy in New Orleans. Your with come true.
Throwing bleach on 70-year-old women...
destroying property...not necessary to do either of those to exercise free speech. They were acting like thugs. I believe they were going to engage in "civil" disobedience. Injuring innocent people and destroying private property is hardly civil.
I am all for free speech...I am also for respecting innocent people and the property of others.
I am proud of strong, intelligent women... sm
Expressing their opinion and speaking out. Just because they're not infatuated with SP and disagree with her idealogy doesn't mean what they're saying is hateful. I've seen much more hateful things here on this board than on that blog.
You (and a lot of people) seem to be taking any negative comments about SP very personally. Is there no critism of her you'll stand? Come on. McCain wants her to be the VP and no one who thinks otherwise can say anything about her w/o it being "hateful" ? How ridiculous.
I don't agree with her views on the issues. It's not personal. I'm sure she's a lovely person, I'm just not convinced she's the best person for the job. In a nutshell, that is my problem with McCain's choice of her for his VP.
your statement/sarcasm is proof women have NOT
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I find it fascinating that women really hate her...
so much for that feminist mantra I am woman, hear me roar...oh, wait, only roar if you think and act like us or else get back in the kitchen where you belong. They hate her because she is either everything they aren't or can't be or they feel guilty. Anger comes from fear. While I agree that she does have little experience in foreign affairs, the top guy on the other ticket doesn't have that much either. For that fact, Clinton and Carter had little foreign affairs experience also. Didn't stop them from becoming president; this lady is running for VP. And please don't give the song and dance about McCain's health, any one can die at any time, age has nothing to do with it. Biden has had 2 brain aneuryms in the past. Eight presidents have died in office, 4 assassinated, and 7 VPs have died in office.
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