Why do you suppose that Berg the Boob's complaint
Posted By: was based on standing and harm?...sm on 2008-10-25
In Reply to: Still does not answer the question is he or isn't he... - sm
Use your noggen. IF he were able to prove (a) that Obama was born in Kenya, (b) that he was an Indonesian citizen whose mother had "renounced" (NOT) his US citizenship, and/or (c) that Obama's HAWAIIAN birth certificate was a forgery...don't you think that a complaint based on "standing," "harm" and/or "disenfranchisement" is a rather convoluted, roundabout way of "getting to the truth?" That burden of proof would be on him and he could not do it because, well...IT ISN'T TRUE
The judge has ruled. If a 34-page rendering is not enough to satisfy you, then Lord knows, there is no reasoning with this pathologic degree of denial. IT'S OVER. Finito. Kaput. Settled. Gone. There's NOTHING there. Period. The end. Time to let it go, already.
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You mean MORE than Berg the Boob?
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Yes, he's too old. Let's vote in an inexperienced boob..
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Now what's your complaint?
You brought up the issues. I just agreed government is out of control and is controlling the citizens of this country. Several of the issues are directly because of democrat corruption. All democrats in Congress are not crooks; problem is, they don't speak up and let nutjobs like Barney Frank run this country in the ground.
Just like all democrats probably weren't against civil rights, but did they speak up? No......so, if you don't like the answer, maybe it's time you check deeper into your party. That's why they're not my party.
Was not named in SEC complaint...was there for 1 year.
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Isn't that hilarious! The execution squad makes a complaint.
Too ridiculous. Liberals were hounded off the old board 50 to 1 - if there ever even was 1 Con banned, which I sorely doubt. And it was YOU engineering the hatchet jobs. It must really eat at your insides that you lost your ability to lynch mob the rest of us. So, you try to make the same accusation against us? - with no conception obviously of how hollow and stupid it sounds coming out of your mouth. People aren't getting banned anymore, face it - and that's a good thing - for us anyway:) So stop the incoherent whining. You lost. Get over it. Find an issue to discuss and try to keep your sociopathology better disguised.
I'm thanking God for Mr. Berg
who is standing up to defend the constitution. And no judge should be allowed to throw out a case based on political affiliation. Especially when the judge only signed a piece of paper faxed to him - a question on a lot of minds is "where was this fax from".
The Constitution of the United States is a document that outlines the basis of the federal (national) government of the USA. It was written in 1787 at the "Constitutional Convention," held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in what we now call Independence Hall. The 55 men at the convention are called the "Founding Fathers" of the USA, and are also known as the "Framers of the Constitution." Some of the more famous of the framers are George Washington (the first President of the USA), James Madison (the fourth President of the USA), Benjamin Franklin, and Alexander Hamilton.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
“We” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
I think God people like Mr. Berg is proceeding to protect our rights.
What part of that do you consider "nutty".
Yes, Berg is a DEMOCRAT.
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Phil Berg for Hillary?
Philip Berg is/was an avid Hillary Clinton supporter and filed his motions before the Democratic Convention, didn't he? Besides, the court has not made any demands on Obama to produce anything. He released his birth certificate and the Hawaiian birth announcement, nothing more is required.
Also if you check Obama's official website, you'll see that Michelle Obama has a busy campaigning schedule while her husband is in Hawaii. I don't know, but I don't think it's too strange to think that she may have felt it was important to continue campaigning during his absence at such a crucial time.
Berg appealing - Thank God for people like you
If someone wants a link I can provide, but here is basicially what it states. All I say is thank God there are people like Mr. Berg who are upholding the constitution and doing what is right. There needs to be a temporary halt until Obama's legitimacy can be proven. Up until now it has not.
Philip J. Berg is Appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court as Obama is "NOT" qualified to be President of the United States Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court
For Immediate Release: - 10/25/08 -
UPDATE: Ruling attached at end. It's a really poor copy, but it is all we have for the moment. Willl put up a better copy when we get one.
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Berg said, "I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.
This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?
So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned.
According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution.
What happened to ‘...Government of the people, by the people, for the people,...’ Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address 1863.
We must legally prevent Obama, the unqualified candidate, from taking the Office of the Presidency of the United States,” Berg said.
Our website obamacrimes.com now has 71.8 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations.
Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
This proves that Phil Berg is a hardhead who
twice failed legal action. So you still have presented nothing that back up your claim that this is still on the docket. By the way, ever heard of frivolous lawsuits. They are not confined to medical malpractice, dontcha know?
Berg is no leftie. He is simply a disenfranchised
and, NO, that does not make him a leftie. The dem party has a broad range of degree of conservativism vs liberalism. A fringe pub is not qualified to judge one way or the other who among the dems is left, right or center, since everyone left of them (including the majority of their own political party) are "lefties." Berg is a Hillary diehard, pure and simple. If you doubt this, just take a look at the timing of when he filed his law suit. He did not challenge O's eligibility until it became apparent that his own candidate was going to lose in the primaries.
Berg is no leftie. He is simply a disenfranchised
and, NO, that does not make him a leftie. The dem party has a broad range of degree of conservativism vs liberalism. A fringe pub is not qualified to judge one way or the other who among the dems is left, right or center, since everyone left of them (including the majority of their own political party) are "lefties." Berg is a Hillary diehard, pure and simple. If you doubt this, just take a look at the timing of when he filed his law suit. He did not challenge O's eligibility until it became apparent that his own candidate was going to lose in the primaries.
If Berg were able to successfully argue on the so-called
he would not be pursuing the "standing" argument. Don't you get that?
Berg Lawsuit Thrown Out - Case Closed
Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot
By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News
hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656
A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.
Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.
He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.
Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.
They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.
Surrick agreed.
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."
For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)
Berg could not be reached for comment last night.
Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.
Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.
The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.
Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4.
Good for the attorney general and US attorney for filing their complaint. sm
He doesn't realize [or maybe he knows exactly] how effective his *satire* could be on his audience. All it takes is a few nut jobs listening in and there you have a vigilante sniping imigrants. I tried to find a clip to listen to on the web but couldn't.
Why do you suppose
that Hillary Clinton and John McCain dropped the birth certificate issue. Why do you suppose the media dropped it? I do not believe that those of you keeping this issue going on this forum are medical transcriptionists, thus you should not be allowed to post to a MT forum unless you provide documentnation that you are qualified as a medical transcriptionist. 
I don't suppose...(sm)
you have a source for that claim?
I suppose the Congressional
Saturday, August 14, 2004
Study: Tax burden growing heavier for middle class
Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- President Bush’s tax cuts since 2001 have shifted more of the tax burden from the nation’s rich to middle-class families, according to a study released Friday by the Congressional Budget Office.
The tax rate declined across all income levels -- but more so in the top brackets, the report said.
People in the top 20 percent of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3 percent of total payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts.
In contrast, middle-class taxpayers -- with incomes ranging from $51,500 to $75,600 -- bear a greater tax burden. Those making an average of $75,600 had the biggest jump in their share of taxes, from 18.5 percent of all payments in 2001 to 19.5 percent this year.
The study, requested by congressional Democrats in May, is expected to provide fodder for the presidential campaign over the fairness of more than $1 trillion in tax cuts Bush has pushed through Congress since taking office.
“George W. Bush keeps trying to mislead Americans into thinking we’re turning the corner, but truth is that he is turning his back on middle-class families,” Kerry spokesman Phil Singer said. “The Bush policies are exacerbating the squeeze that working families have been feeling for the last four years.”
Bush-Cheney campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said, “Because of President Bush’s policies every American pays less in taxes today than they did before he became president...John Kerry has promised to raise taxes during the campaign. That is the clear choice Americans will have in the fall elections.”
The study found that the effective tax rate for the top 1 percent of taxpayers dropped from 33 percent in 2001 to 26.7 percent this year, a decline of 19 percent. The middle 20 percent of taxpayers saw a decline of 4 percent.
The study is based on figures in 2001 and assumes no changes in wealth distribution from increases in income, dividends or capital gains.
On the Net:
Congressional Budget Office: www.cbo.gov
I suppose my question is. sm
Why do we pick and choose who we help and which cause is noble? We ignored Rwanda, many many more people dead than in Darfur and in a much shorter time. Many more hundreds of thousands maimed. Not a peep out of UN or US. Darfur has become a Hollywood cause as well. Where was Hollywood during Rwanda? I don't get it.
I suppose you'd rather we keep punishing ourselves?
Punishing Americans with higher and higher healthcare costs because we give it free to indigent illegals, hospitals and ERs are forced to take them, then write them off and raise their prices to us, because we don't qualify under our own social programs! We should deprive ourselves and give to them because we care more about their "poor little baby" than our own? Charity should begin at home, and until it does, I don't give a hoot in Hades about some illegal's maternity problems! My conscience is clear about whatever happens to those babies because I didn't get knocked up with them! Indigent irresponsible women who pop out babies like Pez are the real punishers of babies - I'm all about FREE birth control, how about you? I wanna know why YOU care about her babies at the expense of American babies and senior citizens who are forced to choose between food and medication each month - how's your conscience about that?
spoken by someone who KNOWS, I suppose....
so sorry I am not up on methods of drug delivery. Sorry. It was cocaine my mistake. He snorted cocaine. He called it "blow" in his book. So I stand corrected...Obama snorted COCAINE, not CRACK. Make you feel better????
I suppose it depends on who says it...sm
If she said it referring to herself....who cares.
If someone says it about Sarah Palin.....who cares, it will bounce off, as she is neither of those words.
What about when Obama talked about all the small town bitter people holding on to their guns and religion, in his San Francisco speech?
Was that bad? I think it was, and he disenfranchised a whole group of voters, to this day, who would not consider voting for him....
That is perhaps, the phrase that deRothchild was comparing to...not sure, but perhaps...
Sooooo.....to answer your question? which word is worse? Well, both of them are, and there's been plenty of name calling lately. It's getting tiresome, really.
Petty, spiteful, little name calling, which has run entirely too rampant lately in the media, not to mention on this board from time to time.
Might just be very very tired, I suppose.
Beyond this board, what do you suppose
E-C-O-N-O-M-Y. How does it feel to be constantly running away from your own candidate's inept, vacuous dirth of effective policy initiatives while people are losing their jobs, their homes and their life savings? Please explain to me just how all this Obama trashing is addressing the problem you have with a cowardly candidate who by his own admission does not understand econmics and will stoop lower than the stock market plunge to be elected? A better example of "country last" could not be found. If this is any indication of how a McCain administration behaves in a crisis, we can all look forward to a landslide for Democrats across the board. T-minus 25 and counting.
I suppose you are anti-gun as well.
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Seriously. Why do you suppose women
The onus of birth control is not gender specific. My own son learned this lesson when he was 9 years old when his only cousin was diagnosed with HIV. He takes precautions and asks the right questions. He does not have sex with women who are not willing to show him the pill or discuss openly with him how they would respond to an unwanted pregnancy...and he makes his own views plainly known in no uncertain terms...that he does not feel he is ready for the responsibilities of fatherhood and that he ALSO has the right to make this decision without moral persecution.
Most women share the news of a pregnancy with the father in the hopes that he will take on the responsibilities of fatherhood. The ones who do not more than likely already know what the answer will be. Unwanted pregnancies have a way isolating the mother, blaming her for having gotten pregnant in the first place in much the same way you have inferred in your parting shot (as though the father has suddenly become canceled out of the equation) and giving all sorts of folks license to condemn and weigh in on the decision. In the event that support is forthcoming, most women WILL have the child more often than not.
If that wre the case, why do you suppose that nobody
The Black Panthers remind me of just how far things had to go and how hard they had to fight before black people in this country were given their civil rights. The Panthers are a part of that history and have as much right as anybody to be there. I would not feel the least bit intimidated by their presence and, in fact, would be grateful that we have come as far as we have since those day. Intimidation is in the eyes of the beholder. Get over yourself.
And I suppose you would rather we continue...(sm)
to run that torture chamber in Guantanamo. Yeah, that would be the one where they can hold supposed SUSPECTS for how long without trial? Maybe you should rent the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side."
I suppose Canada
At least they speak English and I've been there numerous times.
My adult son would probably say Poland as he's been there and it's a nice, friendly, beautiful country with a low cost of living. I might be persuaded to try Poland, but I'd have a hard time learning Polish!
Do you suppose it could be regional?
When Clinton was in, my brother had a construction business and was going gangbusters. I did a drive down the whole California coastline, a trip to Vegas, New Orleans, Manhattan, Aruba, Florida....that's all I can think of....I was a single mom of 2 teenagers, bought a home, eventually bought a newer car and worked 4 days a week as an MT at a hospital then promoted to supervisor (made less money in that position, go figure)
In comes Bush - got remarried, moved to another city, kids are gone, husband professional, I was a supervisor (making $90,000 year between the 2 of us) and we could afford to go out to eat once in awhile. Our house is tiny, we are down to one car, husband is laid off and my health is in the toilet (stress will kill you). I was doing much better before the Bush years and my brother's construction company went belly up shortly after Bush was "elected" and he's been scrambling for work ever since. It's like you and I traded places........
Well, i suppose you told me...
consider me properly chastised.
You suppose incorrectly
Although I'm curious if there is an option for reporting a post because someone recognized you from previous posts.
I didn't take the time to report your posts; your lack of comprehension should continue to shine on the boards.
I guess you can't think for yourself. I suppose the kids that just
got arrested for setting churches on fire were *indoctrinated* even though 2 of them are from a Methodist college? I guess it goes you show YOU fear *indoctriation* because you can't think for yourself.
I suppose this didn't happen
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/05182006/news/103329.htm
5-19-2006
Phone jam gets Tobin jail time
By Anne Saunders
Associated Press
CONCORD - Former Republican National Committee official James Tobin was sentenced to 10 months in prison Wednesday for his role in an Election Day phone-jamming plot against New Hampshire Democrats.
Tobin, of Bangor, Maine, was found guilty in December on two felony telephone harassment charges. He also was fined $10,000, followed by two years probation. Prosecutors had asked for a two-year prison sentence.
Tobin, 45, was convicted of helping a top state GOP official find someone to jam Democratic get-out-the-vote lines on Election Day 2002. Republican John Sununu defeated then-Gov. Jeanne Shaheen for the U.S. Senate that day in what had been considered a cliffhanger.
Tobin was a regional official of the RNC and of the GOP committee focused on winning U.S. Senate races. He later became New England chairman of President Bush’s 2004 re-election campaign, but stepped down when Democrats accused him of playing a role in the jamming.
U.S. District Judge Steven McAuliffe said Wednesday he was impressed by character witnesses who testified on Tobin’s behalf, but wished Tobin had a better sense of how serious this was.
Tobin apologized to the court, the community and his family, saying he wished he hadn’t gotten involved or acted to stop it.
I have tried to live my life honestly and with integrity, he said.
Bail pending his appeal was denied; Tobin is scheduled to report to prison on June 23.
Why do you suppose he was asked repeatedly
Why do you suppose he was not able to give any? Did you not notice that his facts were not straight (as in false claims) about a governor being a commmander in chief?
I am curious. Why does JM get a pass when he refuses interviews but when Obama does it he is the devil incarnate? Can you say hypocrisy?
Ignorance like this has its place, I suppose.
Canadians are smart enough to figure out that your voice is coming from he far right fringe and is in no way representative of post-Bush America.
Uh, and I suppose those drugs Obama
to him? Does this make our president a criminal? Did he go through rehab and clean up his act? Did he associate himself with clean, wholesome friends, companions and coworkers? Be careful who you call a liar and a hypocrite.
I suppose you think Obama IS qualified?
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I have a question: Suppose there would be no religions, would
people and the world be better, worse or same?
I suppose they should cover the mirrors
and rend their clothes in grief instead? They are busting their butts to get things done. I think a little laughter, joy and goodwill is necessary as well as healthy. But, I suspect you would neither understand nor APPROVE of anything you deem "frivolous." The Dow has been up for 4 days running, at least 3 major banks are seeing profits and are stating they no longer require any bailout money.........Bringing in Congress and various insiders for a weekly get-together is a good way to inspire and promote goodwill.....but I guess the WH is something to look at - not live in.
What hate group do you suppose you
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I suppose that if you did not read the whole post...
you might have found it unclear. I should have written that I am more concerned with lying, if it turns out that he is lying--but further down, I wrote, "However, I am really not sure what religion he is." Again, why don't you bash someone who is disagreeing with you--or is it just fun for you to be contrary?
your comment is so low-life, I suppose that's what you are...sm
Do you think that only republicans can insult democrats?
I never start with mean talk, I only defend myself when slandered.
yeah but we aren't suppose to reply! nm
Unlike Huffington Post I suppose...
LOL.
I got it...your way or the highway, (sm which I don't suppose I care if you read or not)
You kept saying affordable health care. Tax refunds for premiums paid is more affordable. You could have had that and had that right now if the Dems would have compromised. They did not. I have no problem with SCHIP as it was. It would still be rocking along fine had the Dems not killed it with their "my way or the highway" attitude. Okay..you don't mind if your taxes go up to give middle class families a break...even if it includes adding more illegals to the program. I do mind if my taxes go to that. You don't mind that people who are paying premiums now and managing to do so will get off private insurance and on a program if that bill had passed. I have a problem with that. Why not give them the tax refund that Bush wanted to for paying those premiums instead of putting them on a program? You still get what you say you want...insured kids. What this all seems to boil down to is that you, and I guess other middle class families who are paying insurance premiums now but think they are too high think the government should pay them for you. I just don't happen to think that is the answer.
Thanks for the debate, thought. I learned a tremendous amount.
The point....which you missed....in bliss I suppose....
was the comment in disproportionate numbers. There is nothing to support that contention. Obviously there is a problem with pedophilia among priests...but not in any more disproportionate numbers than in the rest of the population. Teachers, coaches, daycare workers and owners..next door neighbors and relatives. THAT was the point.
Interesting....and I suppose Obama will define
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Depends on what you call racist I suppose
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And I don't suppose "Great White West"
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Yes, I suppose you've spoken with all of Gitmo
they have told you personally they are ALL INNOCENT......pure as the driven snow....
please stop regurgitating
And by the way, while you're so busy informing yourself, you need to check out old lady Pelosi.....she's about to take away Obama's power to make any presidential decisions.......you up to date on that one? And now, even the most butt head democrats are beginning to open their eyes to her!
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