Workers walk off job rather than read McCain script.
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-27
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Some three dozen workers at a telemarketing call center in Indiana walked off the job rather than read an incendiary McCain campaign script attacking Barack Obama, according to two workers at the center and one of their parents.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/dozens_of_call_center_workers.php
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Beacon of democracy must walk the walk,
No more Bush bluster. If the war on terror means anthing to you, listen up. One giant step in restoring mangled image abroad (in preparation for global diplomacy aimed at a 21st century approach to the war on terror) would be to live by example. Credibility is the name of the game in that arena.
For those among us who would be the first to decry an Obama administration that would "change our country as we know it," it might be helpful to remember just how much of that country we lost during W's reign of terror...writ of habeas corpus, presumed innocence, right to counsel and fair trial, burden or proof, not to mention even a modicum of acknowledgement of basic human rights and condemnation of torture. Sound familiar?
Yesterday IBM laid off American workers but kept Indian workers, SM
and I'm sure they don't make chump change. Looks like we are becoming Zimbabwe! Thank O for that.
Any of you McCain fans read this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
McCain supporters - read this -
"I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab."
McCain shook his head in disagreement, and said:
"No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with (him) on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
He had drawn boos with his comment: "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."
If he can understand that they just have differences, why can't we all agree on that and quit all this name calling and hatred and just talk about the issues and what we can do about our part of the world no matter who gets elected?
To read the whole story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_angry_crowds
That should read: McCain directly denied
then continue reading the above post. time for another cup of coffee.
I read that he is not offering McCain any positions -
I read that he was just talking to him about how they could best handle senatorial stuff - that he would not be offering him a position anywhere.
and I read that McCain failed to endorse her for 2012 in an interview - nm
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Just another walk in the park.
I simply transferred my post from a thread so long it was beginning to disappear and combined 2 responses in 1 when guess who appeared under one shot. Next time, look before you pounce...rule of the jungle, survival of the fittest and all that good stuff.
You, on the other hand, cannot bear to let a single chance pass you by when it comes to imposing your obnoxious comments where they don’t belong. Juvenile name calling...waste of time (WOT)...a new short cut for you to try to wrap you brain around. Besides, denial is your game, not mine.
Careful, your intolerance is showing, for the umpteenth million time. Zzzzzzzzzzz, so boring.
No. He can walk and chew gum
This information has been up on his website since the day he announced his candidacy. Selective hearing does not make a convincing argument. The tax increase is aimed at INDIVIDUAL incomes in excess of $250,000. The tax cut applies to the rest of us. Hello….He can do both. What part of MTs are middle class workers do you not get? No he is not talking out of both sides of his mouth. He wants to reverse Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Basically, this would reset status quo back to the day before those tax cuts went into effect. I "get around it" with the truth. Like the OP below pointed out, Obama cannot create more social programs without the majority support of Congress. That's the way democracy works. He is simply trying to restore funding for longstanding program commitments that has been stripped, diverted or discontinued over the Bush years to fund the war. Read his platform. Examine his voting record. There is no inconsistency between the two. The only one around here who is being "run" is you…by smear tactics. He is not wishy-washy either. He is not ashamed of being able to broker compromise, and that is exactly what this country needs to break this deadly gridlock in Congress. Don't you care anything about making an informed choice?
You mean O can't walk on water?! Oh no
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so you think the doctor is going to let me walk out and not pay?
Even if I cannot go in the room with my daughter, they are still going to expect me to pay for the visit!
I would not walk across the street to see either one of them. nm
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OMG...I just saw him walk on water!!...nm
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Can't walk and chew gum?
NM
Walking the walk
So do you condemn the people who have blown up abortion clinics and killed the OB/GYN physicians who perform abortions?
Speaking of shoes, I'd (NOT) like to walk...
...a mile in the shoes of the average Iraqi citizen. Bush totally destroyed their country. Last I heard, there STILL wasn't water or electricity in parts of the country that we demolished. As bad as Saddam Hussein was, at least he kept Iran out of Iraq because they were mortal enemies.
They didn't do anything to us. Bush invented fiction about WMD and AL Qaeda and started a war based on lies. He said way back in 1999 that if he ever had the chance to invade Iraq, he would.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050620/why_george_went_to_war.php
Where I come from, that's called "premeditation." We went in and demolished their country. Bush knew IEDs would be a threat to our troops, yet he REFUSED to supply them with vehicles that would protect our soldiers from them.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-12-08-mrap_N.htm
If we remained concentrated on Afghanistan, we'd have caught Osama bin Laden by now. This just begs the question of WHY bin Laden suddenly lost his "importance" to Bush and Iraq suddenly became the focus after 9/11. Perhaps bin Laden is worth more to Bush politically if he is alive.
Bush gave a presidential coin to the grieving mother of a dead soldier and told her, "Don't go sell it on eBay." http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/05/bush_to_mother_dont_sell_on_eb.html
Bush used Pat Tillman as a recruiting poster boy while he was alive, and after he was killed under suspicious circumstances (http://www.house.gov/list/press/ca15_honda/SEPT06CORPTILLMAN.html), Tillman's family was told that Tillman was nothing but "worm dirt" because they weren't Christian. http://crooksandliars.com/2007/04/24/pats-worm-dirt/
KBR (Cheney's Halliburton subsidiary) provided WASTEWATER for bathing and drinking, etc. to our troops for almost TWO YEARS. Does that fall under Rumsfeld's assertion that, "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want?" or does it simply display complete contempt and disrespect for our soldiers? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/10/AR2008031002487.html
There are just so many bad things and questions surrounding the war itself. When you add Bush's contempt for our troops, his cockiness and that smirk, it's a wonder that ALL he got thrown in his face was a shoe.
In fact, he was interviewed after the "shoe" attack. A portion of it is copied and pasted below. He used the same old "al Qaeda in Iraq" excuse, and when it was pointed out that al Qaeda wasn't IN Iraq until WE got there, his answer was, "So what?"
You can see the interview at http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_Im_not_insulted_by_thrown_1215.html
The question and answer where he says, "So what?" starts at approximately 2:00.
During the interview, Bush says his legacy will "take time," but includes No Child Left Behind and "52 months of uninterrupted job growth," then speaks about his role in "protecting" America after 9/11. He mentions that al Qaeda has turned out to be a problem in Iraq.
Raddatz points out that al Qaeda didn't choose to make Iraq a base to fight from until after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Bush's response? "Yeah, that's right. So what?"
I still fear the extent of the damage this man can do before Obama is sworn in -- assuming Obama IS sworn in -- (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Parowan_Prophet_Obama_wont_make_it_1214.html) (and if he isn't, it won't have anything to do with God; rather someone who is GodLESS; don't need to be a "prophet" to predict THAT).
That shoe was thrown at Bush because he has created such destruction, disdain distrust and disrespect in Iraq, as he has done in America, as well.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time, but
thanks for your sage advice and inspirational wisdom. I keep up with it all but prefer to at least wait for the swearing in and the first 100 days before even beginning to draw any conclusions or making any sort of judgments.
ITMT, just as the GOP will be watching O like a hawk and calling him out on his every move, the dems will continue to do the same with the GOP contenders. The prospect of EVER having Palin be remotely associated with a position of power in the lower 48 is what will propel her opponents to take a page out of W's book and wage our preemptive strikes whenever and whereever they can. You are dreaming to think that nobody cares about this. If they didn't, the posts would not appear, the media would not be covering it and we would not be having this conversation. FYI, I'm not the one who is scouring the internet about SP, but I am entitled to weigh in when the opportunity presents itself.
Nothing funny about staying on message and following a thread. I respond plenty when the occasion arises about all the rest and for the record, I think Blago is a disgrace to the party and to our country and, if found guilty, should do hard time. You may chose to set your sites on Chicago politics, no problem. However, I do not find that nearly as compelling at the moment as the rising death toll in Gaza, the human suffering and humanitarian crisis and the truckload of lies that is coming out of the media day in and day out, so I scour the net for the other side of the story, since I have family and friends over there. Kindly refrain from trying to tell me what my priorities should be.
I would never tell you to walk lock-step
in MY footprints, that would be blasphemy.
No, we are telling you that Jesus wants you to walk in HIS footsteps. He knows that we will wander, He knows that we will sometimes lose sight of His footsteps, but if we trust Him He will guide us back.
I would say as long as you are willing to walk around clueless.
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I would say as long as you are willing to walk around clueless.
Oh, and by the by, I don't remember addressing this to whatever your name is.
How do you know I haven't walk a mile in their shoes?
You don't have one iota of a clue what I've been through in my life. So, your trying to portray me as some mean spirited soul who doesn't have a clue what tough times are is very presumptious of you. I have walked some very difficult roads. I could write a book about what has happened to me that was not my fault, but I dealt with it. I received help and was grateful, and once I had a leg up I took it from there. I never once complained about what the government wasn't doing for me.
I'm not saying that the situation in Lebanon is easy or fair. However, at some point people have to take the consequences of their choices and live with them and not criticize the help they are given. If these people weren't whining while being evacuated from their country on a luxury cruisde ship with all the amenties I would have kept my mouth shut, but the audacity of people to complain about THEIR RESCUERS goes beyond being ungrateful. Now, if I was standing on a corner telling a mentally challenged homeless person to suck it up and get a job then your sermons would have been called for, but these are people who went to Lebanon with the money out of their pocket knowing full well the dangers there. I really can't believe you are comparing the dangers of Beirut, Lebanon to any American city, but then again I don't choose to walk through the worst neighbohoods in my city at night either. Anyway, there is no comparison.
He's a walk in the park at a Sunday picnic
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Okay, WORKERS.
30-40% of WORKERS don't pay income taxes. Is that better? And only recently has he started saying workers. No one was ever counting children or people who did not work. Of course, you realize, you are classifed as a "worker" if you work one day a year, right?
The same question...if he is going to give a tax cut or break or whatever he wants to call it for 95% of WORKERS...30-40% of whom do not pay federal income taxes NOW...HOW is he going to do that without cutting someone a check. How else is he going to get the money to them? Please explain.
Especially the power workers
God bless those people who came all the way down there, slept in their trucks in stifiling weather (because the media and gawking politicians hogged all the hotels that were left) and helped string line and get our power back on. They are heros, as well as all those who donated time and goods.
On the other hand, SHAME on the people from Indiana who printed up a bunch of Katrina T-shirts and had the nerve to come down there to sell them! Those who survived Katrina need no darn T-shirt proclaiming they did!
Instead of cutting the workers' pay, they should
cutting THEIR pay. After all, they're the ones who aren't doing their jobs very well (if at all). Same with AIG - they get the cash, and then give their company *pets* huge *retention* checks. (Yeah, right. Sounds like a big fat bonus, to me.) The big companies' CEOs just don't get it. They want more money, more money, more money, and no matter how you cut it, bailout or no bailout, the one who loses is the little guy. There's no way they're going to completely restructure and retool if they get the money, they'll just keep on doing like they're doing. The Big Three need to die a natural death, no more artificial life support or resuscitation measures - DNR, DNI !!! Then, let a NEW, leaner-meaner-greener American car industry be born in their place. Same goes for the banks. And the insurance companies. And healthcare (mis)management. Let the sick and the weak ones die, and healthier ones grow in their place. Kind of like the forests. If wildfires are prevented for too long a time, the forest gets choked with dead/sick trees and overcrowding, and when a fire finally does roar through (like at Yellowstone in the late 1980's), it's a WHOPPER. Same thing is happening in American business right now.
Union Workers
How does your husband feel about voting out in the open; no more secret ballots? That's quite audacious!
Todd Palin is a card-carrying union guy, too.
And why did the union workers
walk off the job? That's right. For better benefits, health care, retirement and working conditions which ALSO benefited non-union workers, even those scabs who went in and did the jobs. Thanks to Ronald Reagan, the Great (NOT!) the unions have lost their teeth in the ability to even strike and thus to bargain. Ole Ronnie got employers the "right to permanently replace workers." Read up on the history of unions. Ever watch the movie "Jimmy Hoffa?" Yes he made deals with criminals i.e. the mafia but he did much to help workers too. Ultimately he paid with his life. Union/non-union is sort of like arguing democrat/republican. Those for/against don't want to hear any side other than their own.
What? The workers work for nothing?
That's news to me. I thought the workers got paid.
But you see which auto workers are
handouts, and the workers are not complaining about their jobs. I am talking about the ones mentioned recently in the news here in the Southeastern US. Those workers are making(including all their benefits) around $35 an hour. The unionized big 3 workers making $70+ an hour for the same work. Is that contract worth that much?
I took it as we are unskilled workers
sent overseas and basically there is nothing that can be done about it. This has been going on for years, but to be called unskilled? We need to now be better educated for other work opportunities in the United States. So I might as well pack it in and go back to school to do something else, even though I have an AA degree with Medical Transcription skills and schooling.
Here is an article about the poll workers. sm
It is from the Boston Globe. They only give a brief description. There was more discussion on it in one of the grassroots forums.
Apparently,the poll workers did have permission to be there, and the NH GOP told them to stand their ground.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/obama_and_paul.html
AAMT is not a workers' union.
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I might have to if your man gets elected. Maybe we'll be co workers nm
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Here's hoping Chicago workers' sit-in and
good things to come. As Bank of America acquires Merrill-Lynch (whose CEO has the utter gall to request a $10 million bonus pay-out after the ML sell-out) they are refusing credit to Republic Windows and Doors out of Chicago after receiving $15 billion in TARP funds. The workers are fighting back to recover the pay and benefits they have already earned and their governor is backing them up. Now that's what I'm talkin' about !
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aw5QzWC86Vl8&refer=home
not 95% of Americans - 95% of American WORKERS -
From Barackobama.com/taxes:
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
Cut taxes for 95 percent of WORKERS and their families with a tax cut of $500 for WORKERS or $1,000 for WORKING couples.
Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
unemployed auto workers' pay
per their contract, if unemployed they receive FULL pay. The loss would be benefits, but they get full pay for not working if they are laid off. That should give them time for re-education.
Most employers are cutting workers because they want
Money-money-money-money-
money-money-money-money-
money-money-money-money-money-money-money-money-
money-money-money-money-money-money-money-money!
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Maybe they should tax offshore workers doing OUR work.
Right on! If we workers made more money, we'd
I think you misunderstand government workers
The people who are getting the benefits are not really the people with constituents (they're not members of congress). These are the ones who work for the federal government, like people who work for the dept of agriculture, for the VA, for the dept of state, etc.
NYC using fed millions to fight sick WTC workers. sm
Shame on them. Looks like the articles by the Daily News is finally getting them some much needed attention.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/438101p-369136c.html
she said her experience was w/ minimum wage workers
she said it herself what they were paid - minimum wage -duh
then why were you referring to "minimum wage" workers
I never said I'm for giving them a handout...don't know where that's coming from. I was just pointing out the quality of employee you get when you pay minimum wage...why would you refer to minimum wage if you paid them well and didn't pay min wage? I wouldn't expect to get the most reliable people if I were paying minimum.
I said typical minimimum wage workers
I paid well above minimum wage...I guess reading my post it looks like I paid minimum. That was my mistake.
I refer to minimum wage workers because...
This type of work normally paid minimum wage. I, however, did not...
Please comment on the OP...about minimum wage workers
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By all means give the union workers a pay cut S/M
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/ocwage_05092008.htm
Going way down the page you will find the median pay for medical transcriptionists is approximately $15.02 per hour. This being the case, if you are one of those fortunate enough to be making $20 or more per hour, I assume you will be recommending a pay cut for yourself and all others who are making more than the median in order to bring pay more in line with other workers. Translated that means leaving more in the coffers for the big CEOs. I don't know whether some of you are BDD or what.
The practices of healthcare workers do need work - sm
Healthcare workers fail to take the time with patients to discuss disease prevention and health promotion.
If you are going to give money to re-educate the auto workers....... sm
then it would follow that money should be given to sustain and re-educate the people in other industries (MT comes to mind) that are suffering because of big suit mismanagement and jobs going overseas. What about the thousands upon thousands of other displaced workers in the public sector that have lost their jobs? Will they need to be re-educated as well? Will there be jobs available to them, even if they are re-educated?
Maybe that's what all those re-education centers all over America are for. hmmmmmmm
For crying out loud. His target group IS workers
are so low that they come up not owing tax at the end of the year, then it would not be possible to give them a tax cut or a tax credit, unless it is a refundable tax credit. So far, you have not provided any evidence that Obama is proposing a REFUNDABLE tax credit. As a matter of fact, why do you supposed he call this tax credit "Making WORK pay." The credit will zero out at zero tax liability unless it is a refundable tax credit. Again, it seems like you cannot produce any evidence that this is the case. Or can you? What about the socialist question with regard to progressive tax reform proposals only being socialist at Obama's hands, an no other president in history since 1913, including the 7 republicans who raise the top income bracket rates to as high as 63% to 94%, as opposed to Obama, whose intent is to restore that rate back to 39.6% as it was in 2000 when Bush took office?
proposed tax policies which include granting rebates to most US workers.
That statement jumped out at me.
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