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proposed tax policies which include granting rebates to most US workers.

Posted By: sm on 2008-11-01
In Reply to: R. Murdock on the economy if Obama wins - Just me

That statement jumped out at me.


 




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Yesterday IBM laid off American workers but kept Indian workers, SM
and I'm sure they don't make chump change. Looks like we are becoming Zimbabwe! Thank O for that.
Rebates

That's great, GT.  I wish they'd do that in every state.  It just sickens me to think that schools have to close in Georgia, that our children's education takes a back seat to oil company profits.  So much for who's REALLY left behind under Bush.


Those tax rebates you received were
essentially bribes to keep you content and quiet. And sadly, you bought into it. Economic stimulus without a plan for long-term economic overhaul is nothing more that borrowing from the future. You and your children will be paying that all back to the government for years to come thanks to GWB and his cronies. Glad you were happy for a while though.

Exactly where do people think the government gets the money to support its functions? I would gladly pay in taxes to an efficient and effective government, if only we had one.
BTW, what about where Obama said he'd give IC tax rebates
still waiting on that one
the last tax rebates went out to people who did not pay taxes.
And before I get attacked--yes, I understand that this was a Bush thing. Did I agree with it--no. It seems to me that the entire government thinks that if they keep digging, the whole will get shallower. It's silly. I just happen to think that McCain carries a smaller shovel.
Bush says rebates going out Monday will boost economy
Bush says rebates going out Monday will boost economy

By TOM RAUM,
AP
Posted: 2008-04-25 13:36:26
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush said tax rebates will start going out Monday, earlier than previously announced, and should help Americans cope with rising gasoline and food prices, as well as aid a slumping economy.

Democrats said they were glad the rebate checks were about to go out, but suggested that multinational oil companies were not among the businesses the stimulus package was originally designed to help.

"Starting Monday, the effects of the stimulus will begin to reach millions of households across our country," Bush said Friday in remarks on the South Lawn of the White House.

Those first rebates will be directly deposited into people's bank accounts. The Internal Revenue Service had been saying direct deposits wouldn't start until next Friday. Bush said paper checks would begin going out on May 9, a week earlier than previously announced.

"The money is going to help Americans offset the high prices we're seeing at the gas pump, the grocery store, and also give our economy a boost to help us pull out of this economic slowdown," Bush said.

Bush's emphasis on fuel and food prices differed from other comments he's made since signing the economic stimulus legislation, intended to aid the economy by boosting overall consumer spending - which accounts for roughly two-thirds of the nation's economic activity.

Bush has suggested the rebates could trigger a spending spree. "When the money reaches the American people, we expect they will use it to boost consumer spending," he said last month.

By saying expressly that people could use these one-time checks to pay for such necessities as food and gas, Bush underscored the deepening challenges facing the economy.

Democrats were quick to pick up on the change of focus.

"It's galling to think that taxpayers' stimulus checks will be lining the pockets of OPEC. The sad truth is that the average American family will spend almost their entire stimulus check on higher gas prices this year," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., chairman of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress.

OPEC is the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

"Unless the administration gets OPEC to increase oil supply, American consumers are going to be in for a scorching summer of $4 gasoline with no relief in sight," Schumer said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., agreed that people "need this rebate to cope with the rising cost of gas and groceries." She said that, while the rebates would help to get the economy moving, there was a need for a second stimulus package "and we have begun some conversation with the administration and Republicans."

As he had earlier in the week, Bush used the word "slowdown" to describe the state of the economy. He has denied that the nation is in a recession, although many economists say it is.

"It's obvious our economy is in a slowdown. But, fortunately, we recognized the signs early and took action," Bush said.

The rebates - up to $600 for an individual, $1,200 for a couple and an additional $300 for each dependent child - are the centerpiece of the government's $168 billion stimulus package, enacted in February. Roughly 130 million households are expected to get them.

Bush made the comments before boarding his helicopter at the start of a day trip to Connecticut.

People must file a tax return for their 2007 income to be eligible for a rebate check.

The IRS now says all checks for those who filed tax returns on time are scheduled to be deposited or mailed by July 11.

The economy - burdened by the collapse of home prices, a financial and credit crisis, and now rising energy and food prices - grew at an anemic 0.6 percent in the final three months of last year and is believed to have gotten even weaker in the first three months of this year.

The government will report on the first quarter's performance next week.

With the economy faltering, the nation's unemployment rate has climbed to 5.1 percent, the highest since September 2005, when it suffered from the devastating blows of the Gulf Coast hurricanes. Job losses in the first three months of this year neared the quarter-million mark.

Foreclosures have surged to record highs and financial companies have taken multibillion losses on mortgage investments that soured. The situation has sent a tremor through Wall Street and has sent the administration, Congress and presidential contenders looking for ways to provide relief.

AP Economics Writer Jeannine Aversa contributed to this report.

did you know that if the proposed law - sm
which will allow federal money to pay for abortions goes into effect, that any hospital refusing to do abortions can lose accreditation and be shut down? That means all the Catholic-based hospitals and Christian-based hospitals can be shut down if they do not comply with the new law. Horrible!
Yes, proposed changes, which citizens cant
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Proposed Abolition of 401(k) tax break, etc.....sm
Socialist Democrats Running the Show: Proposed Abolition of 401(k) Tax Break
October 24, 2008

The Democrat Party may attack peoples 401 k investments in favor of a compulsory pension plan administered by the bankrupt, insolvent, Social Security Administration. All the volatility on Wall Street has given the democrats a chance to exploit that volatility to being nationalizing retirement funds and forcing self administered retirement savings out of business. As buzzards circle a carcass in the desert so the Democrats are circling over the financial turmoil to seize wealth and remake the financial system according to their ideological strictures. Once again the Nanny State Democrats will penalize the people who saved and did it right to create a terrible program for everyone. Even in a full blown depression I would rather have control of my retirement funds and keep the bankrupt Ssocial Security Administration out of my affairs. Consider the following excerpts from the Investment News: http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081012/REG/310139971&template=printart



Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-Calif., and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute



Under Ms. Ghilarducci’s plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5% of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3% a year, adjusted for inflation.

The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated.

“I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401(k)s,” Ms. Ghilarducci said in an interview. “401(k)s can continue to exist, but they won’t have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break.”

Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ms. Ghilarducci said.

“I want to spend our nation’s dollar for retirement security better. Everybody would now be covered” if the plan were adopted, Ms. Ghilarducci said.



It would seem that we’re returning to the bad old days of elaborate structures to keep the government from confiscatory orgies of taxation in which people have to fight for any tax shelters they can find. I have sufficient faith in the fundamental corruption of the Democrat Party to believe that they’ll always have loopholes, for those in the know, to shelter money from their insatiable appetite for your money. Government has become the adversary of success and if you want to get ahead and have a life you’ll have to evade the Obama/ Pelosi/ Reid Politburo. Consider the following excerpts from an outstanding article at Forbs.com: http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/24/barack-obama-law-ent-law-cx_rb_1023robertbovarnickobama_print.html



In certain unscripted moments, Obama has given us a glimpse of his somewhat socialist leanings.

Couple that with the recent pronouncement of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has pushed to implement a $300 billion stimulus package–on top of the $700 billion financial rescue package and the $800 billion of additional proposed spending under an Obama presidency–and you can see where we are headed.

I would encourage you to click on the above link for an outstanding story but I’ll give you some of the highlights: Obama will eliminate the statute of limitations on discrimination suits further miring the United States in litigation and class warfare that we can ill afford. He’s going to hit small businesses with massive new taxes, a “global poverty initiative” that will function like a UN payroll tax on Americans, Regulation of the Internet and more. There are 10 area’s where the author of the article, a Philadelphia Lawyer, figures Obama will well and truly screw up the country. We’re talking fundamental changes that will be our undoing in the end.

If the changes the Democrats are talking about are enacted in mass; our American Experiment will be over because we’ll be France. Further, I suspect that Obama will embrace the new push for global financial regulation and institutions that will be disastrous for the American economy for the foreseeable future. It should prove interesting to watch the stock market contemplate an Obama Presidency in the days to come because I have doubts that we can survive the credible threat of his winning to say nothing of enacting his ambitious social agenda.

We’re already in deep financial trouble that’s likely to last years but if we elect a real socialist to empower trial lawyers, hate crimes, UN taxes, and national health care we’re finished as a country. Government under Obama will simply take over everything and reward those who blindly go along with the program and sanction those with any initiative at all. The worst of all is that it seems that we’re ready to vote in this Orwellian world on November 4th. We’re poised, as a nation, to make the biggest mistake of our national lives and the cost in blood and treasure is likely to be enormous.

Check out the above articles: they’re well worth the time. The Government is not supposed to be our master in this country but it seems that too many of us have forgotten. Its going to make for a somber thanksgiving as we mark the passing of our greatest traditions of the American Spirit and the American System with barely a whimper. God help us and God help the United States of America.



http://makeitso57.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/socialist-democrats-running-the-show-proposed-abolition-of-401k-tax-break/


Yes, Bush proposed a bailout....
the majority democratic congress rejected HIS and made one of their own...you don't remember all the haggling back and forth? Bush by himself couldn't have done squat. Actually more republicans were against it than democrats and got castigated for stalling the bill that was going to save us all. Then the dems had to add a little pork into it (money for wooden arrows and some such) before it finally passed. However, if Chris Dodd (D) chair of banking and finance committees and Barney Frank (D) in the House had not blocked EVERY attempt by Bush and yes, John McCain, to regulate Fannie and Freddie it would be a moot point, because we would NOT BE in this mess. Whatever else Bush has done, he had NOTHING to do with this economic crisis. That was all Dems, all the time, to make sure every american whether you could afford one or not got into a house.
I think part of the proposed plan...
(or it may be a separate bill) is supposed to make then *re-tool* in order to make them more fuel efficient?
This is about a protest to a proposed change - it happens. - nm

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Hillary's proposed healthcare system?
When I was watching Hillary say *I will fight the drug companies and insurance companies* I responded *You took $800,000 in donations from those people! And you are going to fight them?!* 

 

Remember that Punjab article we saw months ago about her?  Well, here it is below but remember it is in ADOBE PDF format (very easy to read that way though)....

 

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/memo1.pdf

 

be VERY CAREFUL if you're thinking about Hillary......please....

 

I'm very pro-woman (am one myself) but just because it has the same body parts doesn't mean I'm voting for them.........loved Bill but truly have had enough of the Clintons to last a couple of lifetimes....

First proposed addition to Obama's admin....
Rahm Emanuel.  Headed the effort to re-elect Richard Daley mayor of Chicago...firmly entrenched in the Chicago political machine.  "From work earlier in his career, Emanuel considers Mayor Richard M. Daley, Senator Paul Simon and President Bill Clinton to be his professional mentors."  Could this be the shape of things to come?  Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy so far.
That does not include
car companies bailout which obviously they cannot bail them out now after reading this.  It DOES include though CEO and board of directors bonuses.  I believe not only a Great Depression coming, but even worse than that. 
Will this include the dems who
were all for this stuff or at least knew about it and said nothing or will this strictly be a continued witch hunt on Bush and Cheney?  If you want revenge on the pubs, I personally feel that the dems who knew and/or were for it should be held accountable as well.  If Bush and Cheney go down, they all should.
Opinions on Hillary's proposed health care system?
Personally, I'm against mandatory health insurance laws.  Look how mandatory auto insurance goes - you buy the cheapest policy because you can't afford the good ones.  Your policy covers squat, but you're legal.  I'm concerned the "affordable" health insurance she wants to force us to buy will turn into the same thing - a crap policy that covers nothing but keeps you legal.  Does anybody else feel like I do about this?
...and he proposed that if Americans won't buy "stuff" to stimulate the world economy -
the Chinese will have to spend money. Obviously, he didn't read the article about peasants in China fleeing the cities due to the loss of 20 million jobs. WUTTA BUZZOO!!
did they include PUMA in that poll among...
Democratic women? And there are a lot of men in PUMA too. I have seen as many male members as female ones being interviewed...and they are still not happy. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. All of those 18 million disgruntled Hillary voters are NOT women.
Why is it that McCain supporters include
Do you know how much credibility you lose each time you pass such trash along? I will not use my time citing passage after passage from the Quran to expose your ignorance. If you care anything at all about being taken seriously, you will take a little time to actually read the Quran, which is a Holy Book, before you trash it. When you do thi, you make Christians look really ugly.
Any poll can and will include "illegals"
@
do those boring posters include you too?

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Team McCain should include any and all who
proliferating these messages. From our own forum, we can see that there are plenty of nationalist nut jobs, rabid racists and pious patriots out there who are not able to make the connection between hate speech, violence and assassinations. This can only lead us into the necessity for swift, tight and hopefully harsh enforcement of hate crimes in the future. I hope they make tougher laws regarding hate speech along the way.
Excuse me, but you will not dictate whether or not I include articles in my post.

I post articles here in order to encourage a debate about the articles.  In your limited Israel-is-always-right-and-anyone-who-questions-that-is-worthy-of-a-rabid-attack attitude, you can't see that and once again wish to control everything, even how people communicate with each other.


All you want to do is tear down, not build anything.  I gave my reasons for posting this article.  In those reasons I expressed some skepticism about Hezbollah's sincerity.  Instead of offering an intelligent response to those reasons, you once again slammed the door of dialogue and showed that your abilities to communicate are so limited that all you can do is berate and insult.  To call me anti-American only highlights your ignorance.  I am absolutely pro-American, and I'm very fearful where President Bush is leading us.  It's the duty of every American to question what he or she sees as failures or inadequacies in the administration that is in power regardless of party affiliation.  I felt the same way during the Clinton administration, and I feel the same way now.


If I were to come on here and say that Hezbollah is rebuilding Lebanon and now the Bush administration wants to compete with them, I would get responses that demand I provide my source, and rightly so.  That is the reason I post the entire article itself.  I want to gauge if it brings the same questions to the minds of other (repeat once again) LIBERALS as it does to me.


You're free to have your opinion of me, but you come off as pompous and controlling, demanding that everyone bow down and kiss Israel's feet.  The mere suggestion that Israel may be even slightly wrong elicits anger and rage from you, and you have shown that repeatedly.


No, you are not obligated to engage in debate with anyone here, but don't whine and complain that you're unable to when someone offers you the opportunity.  Your failure to do so when invited only proves how angry and full of rage you are.


For the record, I have never said you were sent to shut down the board.  It's laughable to even imagine you have the power to do that.  You are no more important or influential than I am or than any other poster on this board is.  Get over yourself already.


And, no, I have no idea which sentence of the original article you find disturbing.  I personally found several of them disturbing, but I refuse to engage in any guessing games with you.


Am I paranoid?  I sure am these days.  I'm pro-peace and I'm living in a country run by a President who is trigger happy and who has done nothing but incite the world.


If looking at Israel objectively is anti-Israel according to your definition, then so be it.  You said previously on this board that just because Israel didn't bother to send any troops to Iraq didn't mean they're an ally.  Please enlighten me.  With the BILLIONS of dollars we give Israel every year, along with weapons, we are definitely an ally to Israel.  Please explain how Israel is an ally to us.  Is it because they grace us with their agreement to take our money and then spy on us?  (I could post a number of articles regarding the spying, but since you don't like it when I do that, feel free to Google it on your own.)  What have they done for us in return?


I have always believed Israel was the underdog in the Middle East and have always favored them.  This is the first time I have ever questioned their actions.  We here in America still have freedom of thought and speech, whether you like it or not.  You know nothing of me, including how I believe.  Your assessment of me is not only wrong, it's absurd and only proves how you interact with people who disagree.  I am very relieved that you are not representative of all Israelis, as it gives me a small sense of hope. 


I doubt your sincerity in stating that I'm not worth the time to answer, considering all the time you spent doing just that.  Another example of your hypocrisy.  No doubt you will waste your time once again responding to this with more hatred and insults, only this time I will let you have the last word, since you are now no longer worth the time it takes to respond.


My vote is based on issues, -include character.nm
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I'm curious....does your view include Sarah Palin?
and the way the media continues to demonize her and her family?

Or does this just apply to Pres. Obama. In your view.
his policies are most

definitely in the race as McCain agrees with his polices over 90% and has announced to plan to change any of those policies.


 


 


 


I don't support all the policies

coming from this administration.   Do I think Bush is a good president, yes!   Do I think he's great?  No, because, personally, he's not been conservative enough for me. To me, Ronald Reagan was great.  He was tough, but he still made people like him.   Bush not been tough enough on some issues.....however, that's never here or there.  I have always freely said that I don't agree with everything coming from the Republican party.  I'm a conservative first, Republican second, but as the days go on I am becoming more and more a Libertarian.  I will still vote Republican, because I think that's where my vote has the most value, but if the Libertarian movement becomes more of a contender, believe me, I'm going to catch that wave.  


I said all that to say this.....I never generalized when it came to Democrats when it came to Clinton in office, because, being from the South where there are still a lot of old Southern Democrats (and, gasp, I was one for several years believe it or not...) I knew all Democrats did not stand behind some of the Clinton policies.  There were some Clinton policies I did like, although as a presidential role model he drug the office of president through the mud.....


To me it seems that liberals are all or nothing in hating Bush, but if there are some liberals out that who like Bush speak up and prove that generalization wrong 


It is not failed policies.
You can promote those programs, but in this culture, sex-saturated media, desensitization to the point of sex is just an expression and you don't even have to like each other, multiple partners, the whole 9 yards. No program is going to work at this point. Birth control information is out there. How, in this culture, could you even say abstinence with a straight face? Doesn't mean I don't think it should be mentioned, because if it causes 1 or 2 kids not to engage in premarital sex, much better. Most social programs are failed policies...and a huge waste and drain on the government. That is one thing I like about both candidates...they say they will get rid of the social programs that don't work. Trouble is...they never identify which programs. lol.
O needs no defense on this or his policies.
for me to know and for you to find out after the landslide in T-minus 24 and O's inauguration in January.

I know my candidate, my party and their platform. I am very comfortable with my choice. Since there is no party radical enough to suit you, and since you know so much, why don't you establish your own? How about the Nazican party? Has kind of a catchy ring to it, don't you think?
Yup, don't forget to include the opinions of the criminally insane as undeniable truth....nm
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Send a letter to the director of the school system and include that message. sm
This has absolutely nothing to do with being instructed in English.

Sounds like the teacher is foisting her principles and ideas on youngsters, which she has no right to do. It's none of her business who and who was not born out of wedlock. She has no right to tell youngsters to get married and stay married, that's none of her business either. She has no right to tell a youngster to take a job and keep it, no matter what the pay. I'm wondering how old this teacher is.

Write a letter of complaint to the Board of Education, stating the above and ask them what this has to do with English instruction.

She's not a morals counselor, she's supposed to be a teacher of English.

Maybe the ACLU would be interested. You never know. Can't hurt to ask.

It that was my kid, I'd be in the teacher's face big time.
If you go there, please include Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Obama, McCain....the list goes
You can't be selective. If you insist on putting blame for the current situation our country is in, you must put the blame on each and every person that was a part of it.



yes, you demonstrate liberal policies.

Making up stories, defending terrorists, hating America.  You must be proud.


And you demonstrate neocon policies.

Lying and attacking and personal insults.  You can't defend the issues because your theory is indefensible.


Again, this is the liberal board.  We're not here to please you.


SP's energy policies demonstrate

1.  Sarah's socialism is fine and dandy for Alaska:  "...and Alaska - we're set up, UNLIKE other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we SHARE THE WEALTH when the development of these resources occurs"... boasting to a reporter of having been able to send a check for $1,200 to every man, woman and child in the state since, "Alaska is sometimes described as America's socialist state, because of its collective ownership of resources.”


2.  She agrees with Obama's windfall profits concept...a windfall profit, by any other name, is...well, a windfall profit.


3.  Sarah is a hypocrite.


4.  Sarah can articulate the shrub's oil policies even more precisely that her running mate. 


 


Yes, but he is comparing policies and emphasizing
words straight from McC's mouth and infinitely verifiable upon inspection of his record. Obama is NOT indulging himself in a character assassinating, fear-mongering, cultural warring free-for-all. People DO notice the difference, you know...at least, some of them anyway.
after 8 years of failed policies...
I don't see how Obama could possibly do any harm. Bush has just officially been rated the 36th out of 42 presidents by a nonpartisan board of scholars.

Obama has his work cut out for him to clean up the mess that the republican president, senate and house created over the last 8-12 years.
Since there are no jobs.......policies will at least temporarily.

have to change. Quite frankly, I'd rather feed a family than endure/survive a home invasion. We haven't even SEEN the outcome of this economic crisis. When people are hungry, they steal. When people have nowhere to live, they steal. They steal in order to survive. In order to avoid massive civil unrest - these people need a safety net. My husband is laid off and he is a professional. I pray we don't have to resort to eating out of dumpsters in order to survive. And don't think for a minute you are immune.


I too want Obama's policies to fail. If anyone...
listened to the whole interview with Rush they would understand what he was talking about. Don't want the country to fail, which is happening right now before our very eyes.
you should update yourself on foreign policies
He most certainly does NOT know what he is doing.
and Obama was talking about McCain's policies
What's the difference? Because she used the word Lipstick in her speech, it was about her. That's quite a leap. Give me a break.
So untrue and so unfair. Disagree with his policies,
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What "Natl Security Policies"? THIS administration
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If there already exist specific written policies

pertaining to personal workspace adornment (size, number and/or appropriateness of photographs, posters, banners, political content, sports memorabilia, etc.) then I would agree with you.  If you don't like the policy, don't work there.  Your office is not your personal gallery.


If the company doesn't want somebody hanging up a Soviet flag, then they're probably going to have to prohibit Old Glory as well.


However, if this is a policy formulated on the spur of the moment to appease a complainer, then I disagree.  What's next?  An Ohio State fan complaining about a Michigan pennant in the next cubicle?)  Nor do I agree that new policies should be formulated after the fact to deal with an existing situation just because nobody foresaw it.  If it's an important issue, then a rule should already cover it. 


If this is a public area (waiting room/reception area) then I am sure the company must have had the foresight to write a standard regarding decor, since all visitors will see this.  In my opinion, if it ain't covered in that policy, it should be okay.


Interesting that people voluntarily come to this country, going to considerable effort to get here, then so easily become offended and need special accommodations.  What is it they don't understand about "liberty"?  If an American coworker complained about the Ugandan flag in a neighboring workspace, there would be h*ll to pay!  Disciplinary action against the complainer.  Law suits!  ACLU involvement!   Paid leave  and free counseling for the Ugandan employee to get over the trauma of the event!


U.S. Spies on Americans who disagree with Bush policies









I guess this explains who Bush's real enemies are, and it has nothing to do with terrorism (unless you're the innocent American being targeted).


Posted on Fri, Jan. 20, 2006


U.S. accused of spying on those who disagree with Bush policies


South Florida Sun-Sentinel

While the White House defended domestic surveillance as a safeguard against terrorism, a Florida peace activist and several Democrats in Congress accused the Bush administration on Friday of spying on Americans who disagree with President Bush's policies.

Richard Hersh, of Boca Raton, Fla., director of Truth Project Inc. of Palm Beach County, told an ad hoc panel of House Democrats that his group and others in South Florida have been infiltrated and spied upon despite having no connections to terrorists.


Agents rummaged through the trash, snooped into e-mails, packed Web sites and listened in on phone conversations, Hersh charged. We know that address books and activist meeting lists have disappeared.


The Truth Project gained national attention when NBC News reported last month that it was described as a credible threat in a database of suspicious activity compiled by the Pentagon's Talon program. The listing cited the group's gathering a year ago at a Quaker meeting house in Lake Worth, Fla., to talk about ways to counter military recruitment at high schools.


Talon is separate from the controversial domestic-surveillance program conducted by the National Security Agency. Bush has acknowledged signing orders that allow the NSA to eavesdrop without the usual court warrants, prompting an outcry from many in Congress.


Bush plans to tour the NSA on Wednesday as part of a campaign to defend his handling of the program.


This is a critical tool that helps us save lives and prevent attacks, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said on Friday. It is limited and targeted to al-Qaida communications, with the focus being on detection and prevention.


The Defense Department's Talon program collects data from a wide variety of sources, including military personnel and private citizens, Pentagon spokesman Greg Hicks said.


They are unfiltered dots of information about perceived threats, Hicks said. An analyst will look at that information. And what we are trying to do is connect the dots before the next major attack.


To Hersh and some members of Congress, the warrant-less surveillance and Talon are all a part of domestic-spying operations that threaten civil liberties of average Americans and put dissenters under a cloud of suspicion.


Neither you nor anybody in that (Quaker) church had anything to do with terrorism, said Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla. The fact is, the Truth Project may have a philosophy that is adverse to the political philosophy and goals of the president of the United States. And as a result of that different philosophy, the president and the secretary of defense ordered that your group be spied upon.


There should not be a single American who today remains confident that it couldn't happen to them.









Fpolicy, HLSecurity, WarPeace SP=8 Obama 136 policies
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Okay, WORKERS.
30-40% of WORKERS don't pay income taxes. Is that better? And only recently has he started saying workers. No one was ever counting children or people who did not work. Of course, you realize, you are classifed as a "worker" if you work one day a year, right?

The same question...if he is going to give a tax cut or break or whatever he wants to call it for 95% of WORKERS...30-40% of whom do not pay federal income taxes NOW...HOW is he going to do that without cutting someone a check. How else is he going to get the money to them? Please explain.
Ashes are all that's left of the shrub's scorched earth policies.
only after a platform transplant and some really new blood to resolve heir leadership crisis.
Yeah and Bush's policies got us in a fine mess didn't they?

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