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Wrong! Indonesia as a child not Pakistan. nm

Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-09-24
In Reply to: Obama's skeletons - me

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Who in the world would want to give birth to a child a child conceived during rape?????..nm
Again:L How many children do you have?
Just who gave Indonesia the right
to denounce a U.S. citizen's AMERICAN citizenship.  Who cares what Indonesia did.  At the time Obama was a kid for crying out loud and the school or government could put whatever they wanted on whatever they wanted.  This citizenship non-issue gets more absurd with every post about it.
in Jakarta, Indonesia.....nm
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vacation in Pakistan?

Now I'm starting to worry . . .


 


Is Pakistan in Europe?
Just wondering...
Are your geographically challenged. Indonesia is in Asia and...sm
Kenya is in Africa. His father was Kenyan and his stepfather Indonesian, neither of which makes his US citizenship null and void. The ignorance of actual facts is amazing.
Did you forget about the years he spent in Indonesia?

Where he studied the Muslin faith and prayed every day? Or did you conveniently forget that?


Sorry, I'm just getting sick of all this one-sided stuff and it's not just aimed at you.


It didn't say he grew up in Pakistan
Big difference.
What on earth does the Taliban in Pakistan....
getting stronger have to do with the war in Iraq? That has to do with the war in Afghanistan, which, by the way, Obama never said he would end, in fact, he wants to escalate, which he has. The war in Iraq was the one he vowed to put an end to...you don't remember the speech? "We do not belong there, we never belonged there, and when I am elected I will begin immediate withdrawal." Yeah..uh huh. Then he moved it out to 16 months. And he has moved it out again to 24 months. Your golden idol has clay feet, my friend. You are so blinded by the "light" you just can't see it, and I cannot decide if that is plain old denial or if you really are that naive. :-)
The sister born 9 years later in Jakarta Indonesia?
the answer to that question? How many out there sit around discussing the hospital where there were born with their half-siblings? When did they ask her that question...before or after the legal challenges? Perhaps she made an educated guess based on Hawaiian geography and process of elimination. Would be interested in the context of that conversation. Got any links to that information?

He has provided his birth certificate. People can choose to either believe it or not, even though the courts, DNC, secy of the state of Illinois and the US secy of state seem to uphold its legitimacy). I think these other questions regarding 1996, 1998, 2002 and 2004 (the other years he was found to be eligible to run for office) when he was certified by the Illinois Secretary of State 3 times, the US Secretary of State in 2004 and the DNC and US Secretary of State in 2008 would be interesting to explore, in the interest of uncovering the ENTIRE story, especially since the constitution was not brought into the diaglog until Hillary lost the primaries, was not selected as VP and the reality of Obama's candidacy started to sink in with the republican base.
Furthermore, where the pubs think they are going to end up with this is almost too mind-boggling for even the most imaginative among us to conceive, so I really do wish they would enlighten us on that one.
Obama visited Pakistan in 1981...

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EBAB74DA8F94C559!5351.entry


1981 - Obama Visits Pakistan When All Non-Muslim Vistors Unwelcome - Bin Laden There, Too



The following asks a lot of good questions about Obama's supposedly "innocent" visit to Pakistan in 1981. One thing not asked is whether we know exactly how long he was there? Campaign mangers are known to lie a lot, especially when a troublesome issue arises. And where is our major media on this? Quiet!!!!!!

 

At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Ca., Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., claimed he had more world experience than his rivals, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and introduced a new bit of biographical information.

"Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

"It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries' -- I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then -- you go."

"You do that in eighty countries," Obama said, "You don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee." (But later he says the USA has 58 states and he's been to 57 of them, not counting Hawaii and Alaska. I guess he knows Muslims better than Americans, he certainly is not picking 58 out of the air, what about 58 relates to Muslims?)

This last part -- a college trip to Pakistan -- was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn't hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign.

So I asked the Obama campaign for more information.

Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

NOW, It all sounds very innocent, "a college trip to Pakistan".




Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets. One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.


Obama attended only 4 years a school in Jakarata, Indonesia,
from the 1st to the 4th grade. And this was a Catholic school.
At age 11 his mother brought him back to Honolulu, Hawai, where he attended the most prestigious school.

His biological father and stepfather were Muslims, his mother was Catholic.
Obama was never a practicing Muslim. Among his friends were also Muslim friend.
When he marreid Michelle in 1992, he converted to Christianity.
I think our President is a Christian.
Yep, pretty dumb to claim you have foreign policy experience from 3 weeks in Pakistan!!!...

Obama started off saying he was confident in his FOREIGN POLICY experience ("Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain"). He then proceeded to talk about his visit to Pakistan.


SO WHAT? I visited and lived in several foreign countries, too. Does that mean I understand foreign policy better than someone who may have spent less time but has had actual interaction and policy discussions with those countries' leaders? And with the leaders of 80 countries?


If 3 weeks in Pakistan is the extent of Obama's foreign policy credentials, then I am way more qualified on the "foreign policy" front.


My point is that Obama's claim is ridiculous. Better that he stick to his "better judgement" mantra, since the "3 weeks abroad = foreign policy experience" is just pathetically weak.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html


Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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wrong, full of wrong statements, see my upper post...nm
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oh yea... not a child...
even though before most know they are pregnant the heart is already beating...

I haven't seen the video, I don't think I need to because I myself will never have an abortion, but just like any procedure I would have done I would think I would want to know what it involves so you maybe someone having it should watch it!
I bet your child gives you

great joy. I am happy that you found a career where you can be home with your child.  The anti-choice people seem to think as long as every child is BORN things are okay.  It is the caring for them after they are born that does not seem too important to them.


 


If your child goes to an OB/GYN
or planned parenthood and does not want you to even know about the visit, she only has to fill out a small amount of paperwork and the state will pay for the visit--in California, anyway.
Why does a child
play with matches after a parent forbids it? To see if they can get away with it. ;-)
Were you ignored as a child?
nm
You are a child who cannot understand....

if you are Liberal, post on the Liberals board, etc. 


So you take this to mean that you should continually harass the liberal board when you are obviously a con? 


And as far as libs posting on the con board, prior to recently it was pretty darn quiet.  And we libs are no match for your uncouth and wretched posts for sheer cruel intent.  No match at all, in general.


I would also tell you the same thing I told my kids when they were little, just because so-and-so is doing it doesn't make it right.  So when you run crying that libs are posting on the con board, it still doesn't make it right - for you or anyone else.  So get out of a 6year-old mentality.  Or are you a 6yearold?


and to me a child in the womb
is already on this Earth...these children are the most vulnerable, but yes I agree with you...we need to take care of those already born IN ADDITION to those in the womb.
The child has no rights?
Have you viewed the video referenced below? Do you really think abortion should be a method of birth control?
Who knows...if we who believe that the unborn child...
has as much right to life as you, your husband and your children (good thing for them you did not want an abortion I guess or they would not exist, we will continue to speak for them. And maybe, someday, the right person will hear, and we as a country can stop the slaughter of innocents to the tune of 1.2 million a year. While you are okay with that on the basis of your choice, we are not. And nothing you can say or do will ever change that either.
How can one's child being in the military sm

equate to a point for foreign affairs experience?  Please explain that to me.  I know a lot of people whose children are in the military, in the war zone and not one of them would say they have foreign affairs experience.  Also, didn't she herself say she doesn't know anything about Iraq. 


You try to keep the spotlight on the child.
nm
Maybe the child who got the A cheated or
give more money.  Not all situations are the same.  Furthermore, Obama is the first one to say "leave the kids out of it."  He's for better education. 
How can they support the child
if the child is aborted? Quite a few women get pregnant and have abortions without even saying anything to the father...

Keeping pants zipped goes both ways...
that is, if the child does not want the parents to know at all
xx
Ah. Okay to kill a child rather than own up to ...
responsibility. I see. Why not just force feed "the pill" from the time a girl reaches menarche. Better than killing the "mistakes" from "raging hormones" along the way. If you can't teach responsibility, and don't intend to make them responsible...put them on the pill.
The child is due today.
They'll probably be crossing each other's paths in the hospital corridors shortly.

Here's the deal, Ms. New Englander. JTBB has summed up the reason I posted in the first place. You can't have it both ways. If you insist on making something out of nothing with Obama and his so-called "affiliations," then you should have no problem when others try to insinuate connections which may or may not be true between two expectant grandmothers.
You are such a child, interested only in
sake. Do you know what leftie means?
OMG...now you get your news from a child!
Please spare us anymore newsflashes that come from children. We have enough problems with credible news sources on this forum without having schoolgirl rumors posted.
Child, listen up.
You have no idea who you are talking to, yet you seem to believe you know all about me. I have voted in 12 presidential elections in my lifetime, the first one being when Barack Obama was 8 years old. I've been active in politics for nearly 45 years, take my vote very seriously and keep myself well informed on all issues from both sides of the aisle.

Your simplistic dismissal of the jobs loss problems as being atrributable to the illegal immigrants only demonstrates how superficial your understanding is on the subject and speaks volumes about the sources for your information. You, my dear, are the follower, not me.

My support of Obama is based on the emergence of the right man at the right time for the job. I did not cast my vote this time around on my own behalf, like years past. This time, I did it for the sake of my son and the kind of world in which I want to see him live out his years and I can assure you, I do not envision that world being handed over to the divisionist viewpoints you have expressed where its okay to single out any given group on which to dump responsibility where it does not belong.
I would not want to put a child into this world, whose
father is a rapist, the child having - as you yourself stated - 1/2 of the father's genes!
No, thanks!
Last Katrina child goes home












Last Katrina child goes home



A mother and her missing daughter are reunited seven months after a hurricane devastated New Orleans

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THE last of more than 5,000 children missing after Hurricane Katrina has finally been reunited with her mother, ending the largest child-recovery effort in US history.










After seven months of searching by her mother, amid fears that her daughter had died in the flooding in New Orleans that followed the hurricane in August, four-year-old Cortez Stewart was reunited with her family in Texas.

Cortez was the last of the 5,192 Gulf Coast children listed as missing or displaced after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita struck the region. Of those, all but 12 have been found alive and all of those are now back with their parents.

For Lisa Stewart the happy ending came when she was contacted by the National Centre for Missing & Exploited Children that said it had found her daughter. “I was overwhelmed, happy, joyous,” she said.

During their separation her daughter’s fourth birthday had passed last November with no sign that she was dead or alive. “It was devastating,” Mrs Stewart said.

When the storm struck, Cortez was with her godmother, Felicia Williams. After seeking refuge in a hotel, Cortez and Ms Williams were winched to safety by helicopter and flown to Atlanta, Georgia.

Mrs Stewart and her five other children were rescued from their home in New Orleans as the floodwater rose.

They were taken to the nearest piece of dry land, an interstate overpass, where they stayed for four days, before being evacuated and placed in a flat in Houston, Texas. For months Ms Williams and Mrs Stewart tried to make contact, not knowing if the other was alive, but without success. Their efforts were hampered by incorrect name spellings and other misleading information given to government officials.

“Many agencies didn’t have a good account of who they were helping,” Bob O’Brien, director of the centre’s missing children division, said. “More than 411,000 were evacuated to more than 40 states, and it became very hard to track the movement.”

The centre traced information about Ms Williams through her former employer and then located relations in Georgia. When Cortez was reunited with her mother and five siblings last week in Houston, Mrs Stewart almost fell upon her, screaming: “The baby! It’s the baby!”


More than 12,000 adults were reported missing after Katrina. About 1,900 are still missing. More than 1,300 others have been confirmed dead.


Coulter's the poster child for the right.

They obviously emulate her and try to be like her, obviously not realizing or caring how terrible it makes them look.  You can see from these boards that people like her do have a constituency, unfortunately.


I Ms. Schulte gave a very classy and dignified response. 


No, Republicans would rather the child live.
instead of being aborted and thrown in the trash, like it was nothing. 
They have hearts....they just don't view the child...
as a child. That is how they rationalize it. Because your average person's basic moral values tell them killing a child is wrong. Therefore they deny it is a child. Or they rationalize by saying "I would not have one, but it is not my business if someone else does." Well, yes it is. If we all had that attitude, none of the wrongs in the world would ever be righted.

They should go and view the video link posted below. Anyone who could view THAT and still say it is not a child that is destroyed indeed has a hardened heart. It broke my heart. I have seen abortion video before, but I have never seen anything like that. Like the preface said...you have the guts to view that, you are no longer igorant of what is really happening. Now you have knowledge of the choice you are making or the procedure you are enabling. It is absolutely horrific. And most who are pro choice will NOT watch it because they want to remain in comfortable denial. No one likes to feel guilty. We are designed that way. :)
First of all, all anyone has to go on about the biracial child thing...
was Dem supporters who said that the Bush campaign called them and said those things. First of all, and I don't like the man, Karl Rove is way too smart to have people call and identify themselves as being from the Bush campaign if he was trying to leak something like that. Second, I don't believe for a minute that if it were true and John McCain knew it he wouldn't have clocked Karl Rove. John McCain dislikes Karl Rove as much as I do. They have verbally jousted on many occasions.

And anybody who bothered to check would know the child was adopted from Bangladesh. That was a long time ago, has been debunked, and even if it were true (and I do not believe it is), it is not the same thing as saying on TV that you admired a man and that you would be proud to be on a ticket with him, and then within weeks turn right around and throw him under the bus in such a mean-spirited attack. I thought Joe Biden was better than that, and apparently I also was WRONG.
Yes, this is an innocent child. What if it ISN'T true?
What does this do to that 16-year-old? What about that?
Ignorant or not...many did suggest that the child was hers...
and the reason I say that is that she chose to have the child. The child's father is in their lives; they plan to marry. I believe she is brave to be willing to take this public and still stand beside her mother, and I believe she will hold her head high. She has a wonderful support system and while I am sure it will not be easy, it will be easier than having that other nonsense hanging over her head. I feel sure this was discussed prior to her mother accepting the slot, because, as you say, it was going to come out eventually.
Thanks for your post...you are the poster child...
for liberal mindset. Practicing the ALinsky method of your party and your candidate...if you can't refute, attack.

Yes, I am an MT. Is THIS post supposed to make anyone believe you are an MT or belong in an MT forum? Surely this is not indicative of MTs et al??

Funny how presenting a different view is characterized as "bullying" when you are the poster child for personal attacks.

The last line of your post tells me more about your character than you think you know about mine.

Have a good day! :)
That's right. I'm child-free by choice, and also -
spouse-free at the present time, but if I find someone to marry, I wouldn't want to be told 'no' because that union wasn't for the purpose of propagation. ESPECIALLY in this day and age, when the Earth already has a couple billion too many of our species on it, already.

Having children shouldn't be mandated by anyone. It should be by one's own, personal choice.
Yes, they do need an egg. And a woman to bear the child.
talking about 2 men who want a child. The surrogate only has to be a woman with a uterus. Her sexual orientation, and even her marital status, do not matter. That does not constitute a 'sexual relationship', though. She is artificially inseminated. And of course there is also adoption.
Equating child molesters and

democrats seeking a change in their country is faulty logic.


 


Ask any child. I robinhood a good guy or a bad guy?
Children like hero stories. That's why we read them this one. They get the idea.
Hate to say it, but you are acting like a child.

You're one of the ones that won't look at issues. You love the O and no one can say anything different. You are allowed to bash McCain and Palin, but never your messiah.


Well, you better wake up and smell the coffee. Maybe you should do some research. There were plenty of Proven Facts about O posted here. Did you read them? Nope. You call them lies. Well, we shall see.


Stop worshiping him. He's only a man.!!!!!


 


So what if you're already married with a child?
Are they just going to uproot you from your life? My best friend is 22 and her husband is 25 (like me and my husband) but she already has a 1 year old. I don't (yet) but we are planning to soon after we get our finances straight.

I think I'm going to go back to my homeland where we love and not fight :) (Call us sissies and we'll kick your derriere!)
Wrong Woman - Wrong Message
http://www.truthout.org/article/palin-wrong-woman-wrong-message
Wrong, wrong, wrong, clueless Lu.
Horse hockey