You mean one who won by 6.8% in popular vote
Posted By: and 192 electoral votes? on 2008-11-29
In Reply to: If we don't have a legitimate president, you can kiss - the economy goodbye anyway.nm
That's pretty legitimate if you ask me.
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Popular vote
You know Obama did not win by a landslide of the popular vote so don't act like the whole country wanted him as president and the ones who didn't are a small minority. All its going to take is a few more people to people to wake up and if we make it through this term intact, we won't have to worry about a second term. His approval rating dropped 5% in a week while his disapproval rating went up 7%. As the economy gets worse and worse the disapproval rating will continue to go up. The stimulus bill is bloated and oh yeah does everyone know that the "rebate" we are getting in our paychecks is not really a rebate as the tax tables have not changes so some people will actually have to pay next year when they do taxes or not get a refund, guess they forgot to mention that, the housing bill he passed will help very few people...and eventually people will find out nothing he says is the truth. I wonder will happen then.
popular vote was Gore
Im trying to remember back from 2000..there was a university, I think maybe University of Chicago..which did a recount and Gore won. If all the ballots had been counted and all the registered voters who were turned away were allowed to vote, based on the party they were registered under, Gore would have won. I remember back in 2001, the outrage, so I contacted the university and was assured the public would be allowed a copy of the study on the recount. Geez..seems like centuries ago..I will check back with my political friends and find out the university..Maybe they still are offering their results on the recount.In any case, however, to be fair, when there is a election in doubt, IMHO, you go with the popular vote, which was Gore.
Everybody KNOWS Al Gore won the popular vote
It is awfully coincidental that the state that had the problems counting their votes, which ultimately cost AL Gore the election, was what? Oh thats's right it was....FLORIDA - George Bush's brother's state. You do remember Jeb was governor of Florida during that time, don't you?
Y'all are just jealous he's so popular
and you all can't get a liberal talk show to take. The Air America crowd can't keep themselves from stealing from their network long enough to try to get a quality show off the ground.
If Rush is so wrong then won't you dispute what he says instead of personally attacking him?
my goodness....am I ever popular tonight....lol...
almost as much as you sam!!
When I told them to carry on, they reallllyyyyy carried on.....lol....
Gotta love those dems....
contrary to popular belief
Bush did not enact the Patriot Act.
Contrary to popular belief.....the rich pay the
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Contrary to popular belief, O supporters
as their divine Savior. Rather, he is just a fine American who cares deeply about his country, running for the highest office in the land. He has the strength to step up to the plate, turn a blind eye toward all that would seek to destroy him and do his best to tackle the mop-up job after one of the most devastating administrations in the history of our country. More that this, we cannot ask. He is calm, thoughtful, inspiring, steady, intuitive and gifted with an uncanny ability to inspire millions of Americans in the throes of an economic collapse to unite behind the simple notion that we can do better, that we are at the dawn of a new day and that our shared imperative is to embrace optimism and confidence in ourselves and in his leadership. In comparison to his opponent, who would use shrub style politics of fear to scare us into voting for him and thinks nothing of igniting culture wars and stoking the fires of division for political gain, there is no contest. Obama deserves the respect he has gained and without a doubt, he the best man for the job.
I'd be very embarrassed to admit that he was popular, if I were you...kind of reflects on right-w
I saw very little admirable, factual, interesting or thoughtful in his post. If all these people admire him, like you say, this country is in more trouble than I thought.
On terrorist ties, since topic is popular for the moment
McCain link to private group in Iran-Contra case.
http://yorkdispatch.inyork.com/yd/sections/politics/ci_10655363
Obama could win popular but still lose election - see message
It is possible. It has happened before. I think now especially in these final two days, when people are hearing Obama saying in a radio interview that he will bankrupt coal companies and skyrocket electricity bills, a lot of people are really wondering. Especially the states where coal is their major industry. They are starting to realize that a vote for the O means they'll be out of work. Along with the birth certificate issue not being resolved, and other the other numerous questions about the O people are really wondering about him.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081103/ap_on_el_pr/split_decision_4
BTW, Popular Mechanics pretty much debunked all the myths you speak of.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
possible topics of conversation besides bashing our very popular president in the interest of preven
http://www.npr.org/
I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do. We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say. I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men. I think you are right. We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency. The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great. God, glory, and guts. My pastor was just commenting on that this morning.
vote war?
If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.
The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.
Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.
I will vote Ron Paul.
I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.
And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. I remember my father telling me to always vote. I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count. There was a time when my parents could not vote at all. I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils.
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for. I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine. If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat. Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
how to vote
Truthfully, I don't know which one of the candidates is better, or which one is worse. Corruption is everywhere. Maybe there is no real good answer, and it's all an exercise in futility. I'm still going to vote, just because it's something that I do. However, at this point, I might as well just flip a coin. Actually, lately, I've just been looking at the candidates from a health and vitality standpoint. Which ones are the healthiest? Which ones seem to be in a position to withstand stress better than the other? Experience seems important, but if everything else is pretty equal, health is all that's left to compare, IMHO.
one vote
good thing you only get one vote.
Isn't there someone else we can vote for? sm
Are these two guys, McCain and Obama, the only choices we have? Realistically? Nader is never gonna win, so he isn't. What would happen if we all did a write-in?
It has come down to voting for Communism or More of the Same. As I don't want to be a Communist, I guess I'll vote for More of the Same.
Also, all this arguing about government-run healthcare...Anybody been to the VA recently???? Gee that is working so very well for us.
There's my 2 cents. Have at it!
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Vote
Hi! You are absoultely correct. EVERY vote from EVERY state should matter.
I live in one of the battleground states (PA), so my vote will matter I this election. However we were told from January 2008 until the primary that our choice would not matter because it was so late the candidates will have already been chosen......McCain already had been but CLinton vs Obama was still very close.
I do not wish to share my political views, only state that EACH vote from EACH state should carry the same signtificance.
No wonder so many in our country are so apathetic. It must feel awful to have your vote mean nothing.We are disenfranchising most of the population. This is not government of the people, or for the people regardless of your political peferences.
I know what you mean. A vote for O is like a vote to
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Before you vote, you should see this
If you are looking for something you don't like, keep it to your self and vote the
way you want. Nobody cares what you think.
No need to, we will just vote!
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Yes, old enough to vote...
In fact, I voted for OBAMA on Oct. 16 and proud of it. Are you PROUD of who you are voting for? I think not. Not deep down. Admit it.
I VOTE for M not O, my bad
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Did he really vote that way? NO
Its nice to listen to the candidates' stump speeches and repeat them here --- but please, again, check your facts.
You will find that he did not vote to raise taxes, and the raise the taxes on incomes of $42,000 bill had other benefits written into it that would help the middle class. When bills are written, they usually have a number of things written in them. You have to weigh the priority of a bill. It's not as simple as vote against raising taxes because there my be something in that same bill that would be more beneficial than a 1-2% raise on taxes, so you vote for it.
Guess what -- McCain voted for this same bill to raise taxes on those making over $42,000, but he won't tell you that.
Again -- be informed and know what you don't know before you start telling others you do know what you don't know.
If you are a staunch republican or staunch democrat -- that's cool too -- vote, your choice, but please educate yourself before you start trying to educate others.
Vote as you please, but please vote. sm
I'm going just as soon as I finish my coffee. Then I will be watching the returns later this evening. :o)
For those who cannot vote....
I received an email from a friend who lives in St. Thomas, USVI. Although the Virgin Islands are US territory and my friend is a US citizen, born and raised in Wisconsin and moved to St. Thomas in her 40s, and they are governed from the US government, she and her husband are not entitled to vote, not even by absentee ballot. I don't know why, but that is what she told me. She sent an email imploring all of us who live here to get out and vote because she is deprived of this great privilege and wanted to say we should all remember we are that we do have the election process. Isn't that the truth? What a great privilege it is. Let's hope we all remember just how lucky we are and take advantage of our right to vote.
I vote that from now on
candidates can only campaign in song! :-D
Did my vote come out okay?
Here is what happened to me today. I go and vote and I get up to the machine with this little card that looks like a debit card. I put it in the machine and the screen says sorry, your ballot has been canceled, please see pollworker. So I take my card up to the pollworker booth, where three little very old ladies are working it and the one lady has these cards spread all over the table, waiting for them to be handed out for voting. I tell her what the computer said about my ballot. She takes my card and sets it down in front of her with all the other cards that look exactly alike. I am trying to keep my eye on MY card. She moves it around a few times while she is talking to this other lady, trying to decide what this all means. I loose my card in the shuffle. So then this other lady takes what she thinks is my card, asks me if this is my card and I say I dont know????? She then leads me over to the booth and places it in the voting machine and then the screen comes up for me to vote, so it is working. I vote and cast my ballot. I return my card to the pollworker and leave. So, I dont really understand it all but did my vote get messed up? They reuse these cards for everyone, so what if this card WASNT my card?? Does it matter. I was so MAD. I mean this isnt some backyard BBQ or a garage sale or something, this is IMPORTANT and this is MY vote. I couldnt believe the way they were running this show. Very disappointed.
What if the vote had gone the other way?
Would there have been a problem then with the concept of majority rules?
I mean, I didn't vote for Obama. But the majority rules and he was elected. Can I say now WAHHH!!!! That isn't fair!
Don't know why it was put to a vote
I'm on the other side of the country and didn't pay much attention to how it ended up being put to a vote, but it WAS put to a vote, with the implication certainly being that the majority WOULD rule. So, it's done.
She would have my vote. nm
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LOL! and they vote! nm
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I still can't see how they can vote.
In my state/county, I had to show 2 IDs (SSN and driver's license) before I could register to vote and every time I went to vote, I had to show my voter ID card. In fact, because the street address where I lived changed 3 times since I registered, I had to go through the whole process again 2 years ago and was not allowed to vote.
So, how can illegals vote?
He just lost my vote
murder of children does not need to be federally funded. There are plenty of private murderers out there to do it.
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