and came in with a huge surplus!
Posted By: agree on 2005-06-21
In Reply to: Yeah, especially the part about balancing our budgets, - MTME
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Huge, HUGE difference.
I'd be saving a lot of money. 
I repeat....there was no surplus...
that was just clever use of word. It was a "projected" surplus, and it was contingent upon a cap on federal spending for 15 years, and no added federal programs. There was no real "surplus" sitting around.
Mea culpa on the borrowing. I have already said Bush spent like a drunken sailor. Spending needs to be curbed. Neither candidate is willing to say what I think needs to be done...no more new programs and stop the ones that are not working. When we get back in the "black" again, then we can look at increasing programs. Throwing more money at stuff is obviously not the answer.
The budget surplus from BC was a ...
PROJECTED surplus that would happen over 10 years IF no added spending, IF no added programs. Even if the war in Iraq had not happened, Congress could not go 10 years without adding spending and added programs. You act as if there was 559 billion dollars laying around. There wasn't.
I realize that you have bought into the whole socialist class warfare thing. Like O's hero Alinsky said...it doesn't matter if it is the truth or not...it just matters if you can make them believe it.
And they darned sure have made sure you believe it.
Clinton had a surplus because he had a...sm
Republican Congress. Left to his own devices, he would have put us belly up, have no fear.
Bush, has a Democratic Congress at the end of his term, who have really jacked up the national debt, all on their own (war not included, thank you very much).
Not that old surplus crud again....lol
do the research...there was no "surplus." It was a surplus that COULD be IF spending was not increased over like 10 years. Like Congress could go 10 years without increasing spending. Clinton did NOT leave a surplus.
Surplus-Are we forgetting 9-11
Are you all forgetting that 9 months after being elected we were attacked on our own soil, with thousands of people losing their lives and NY City a disaster? What do you think that did to the surplus and the need to protect our country. How short your memory is until the next time it happens and they you will be begging for a stronger president than we have now.
There was no surplus. That was debunked years ago.
And the Democrats are largely responsible for the shape we are in. John McCain tried to pass legislation in 2005 to regulate Fannie/Freddie. However, Chris Dodd (head of banking and commerce committee, and largest recipient of Fannie/Freddie contributions) and the Democrats blocked it. Fannie/Freddie started this freefall in the economy. Obama is #2 on the contributions list. John McCain is wayyyyy on down the list. Then the democrats (the ones sitting now) pushed by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank in turn pushed fannie/freddie to give all those subprime loans to minorities and lower income folks, to people with either no credit or bad credit, knowing full well most of them didn't have a hope in heck of paying it back...it is THOSE mortgages we are going in hock to pick up.
Franklin Raines, James Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, Timothy Howard...all Democrats, two of them Obama advisors...ALL walked away from Fannie with golden parachute of MILLIONS after cooking the books.
And WE are picking up the tab.
NOBAMA, NODEMOCRAT, NO WAY, NO HOW!!
The surplus also followed him out eh? We know because it's now in the bank accounts of the rich.
A lot of people made a lot of money during the Clinton years - that's real money, honey, and they're still rich, accounting for our current revenues. Without the Clinton boom years your president's buds (and your president himself, let us remind you) wouldn't have gotten their 100,000 tax break checks. Sure, the boom couldn't hold, but the point is that the favorable conditions created by a sounder Democratic fiscal policy allowed that boom to come about.
Now all we have is empty coffers, slashed public spending, and China owns us. Big improvement huh? Oops, but people like Frist are still getting over big time on their big time stock trades - all's clear in the upper 1% But since you likely aren't in it, it's hard to see what you find so appealing about being a credit slave one paycheck away from poverty. Is that working out good for you?
Democratic = surplus - Republican = debt
Based on Congressional accounting rules, at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion.
After 8 years of Bush...As of September 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.7 trillion.
The myth of the Clinton surplus - been disproved -sm
A lot of democrats keep pushing this bogus claim that there was a surplus when in fact there never was. This has been discussed on this board, so by this message I'm assuming you never saw the message or went the the US Treasury website to check it out. Below is a link to it and explains what really happened.
The US National Debt proves there was never a surplus, and the article explains why people claim otherwise for political reasons. - good read. Even my most conservatives friends bought into this surplus craze, and said they were glad their eyes were opened.
I'll credit another poster for origianlly posting this (it's been so long I forget who now).
http://www.letxa.com/articles/16
Like all those years of prosperity, budget surplus
scorched earth administration?
Bush inherited a 559 billion surplus nuff said? NM
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Bush inherited a 559 billion surplus nuff said? NM
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The myth of the Clinton surplus...I'm a libertarian but I am sick of hearing this..SM
http://www.letxa.com/articles/16
Huge mistake
I have been banned from this board a long time, and finally they let me back in. There is a post from this Nan person, a cartoon justifying it as filbustering T. Kennedy; when in essence it makes a mockery out of thousands of Americans, and even more Iraq's lives lost. I did go on the wrong board, I did not intend to, honestly. I have not been on this board for more than 4 months until last night; and I can understand the moderator's decision to change it; but I really did not know. Who is this Nan person? She must be a moderator because if you challenge her with the truth one iota, your posts are deleted. Again, the moderators have allowed me to get away with a lot. I do understand their decision to split it into conservatives and liberals; and I have no excuse, I have had an extremly stressful week, went on there to express my opinion and my posts were deleted, I simply went on the wrong board and once again was called a troll. Anyone who disagrees with this Nan person is accused of being a troll.
It was a huge failing. sm
And you are right, genocide has occured through many presidencies. It occurred in Iraq to the tune of Millions. But no one talks about that. So which genocide do we choose? Are some politically correct and some not? Just wondering.
Another huge concern........
Where is all the money coming from being donated to Obama's campaign. They are using fake names. Why? Now, most common sense folks will know why if we don't want to deceive ourselves. No doubt Muslim organizations, corrupt groups, terrorists related groups.....you name it. See how well that never gets reported on most of your news channels. FOX has tried and is bringing it up again but try to get others, with the exception of Lou Dobbs, who will call a spade a spade....and please don't get racial with me.....you know what I mean.
A huge list.....
of wars in the name of God just came to mind....Hmmmm.
these are huge churches
As you may remember, I am a Jew, but these Christian Churches listed are pretty large denominations:
UMC - 12 million worldwide members, 8 million in the U.S.
PC-USA - 2.2 million
Episcopalian - 2.2 million
American Baptist - 1.4 million
UCC - 1.2
The above are just some of the member churches. Are all of these denominations full of false prophets or reading a different bible?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I just find it very interesting
There is a huge difference.......... sm
between an MT who might be fortunate enough to make $20 an hour, which could be considered a livable wage, and a UAW making about $40 an hour without benefits. And no, I'm not one of the fortunate ones, but if I were and that were in the offing, then I would likely start looking into retraining for another line of work. Be that as it may, MTs are paid less than slave wages now, or hadn't you noticed before you retired?
The UAW taking a cut in pay is not in order for money to "go to the coffers of the CEOs." The CEOs are supposed to take pay cuts as well and at least 2 of them are working for $1 a year, aren't they? This is about saving the industry, but I doubt this bailout will do that. Come March, I fully expect that nothing will have changed and they will want more money and/or time. Will be interesting to see what happens then.
Oklahoma alone has a huge oil supply. sm
When I worked at the University, I was told there was so much oil in capped off tanks, it would astound the populance to know how much. The oil is here.
gt you just made a huge mistake. sm
You have no idea what my religion is. I would never make an assumption like this. This one statement of your's and the other person who called me a Xtian (too darn lazy to type out Christian) reveals the true inner workings of the leftist mine. If you are not with me, you are against me. That's your motto and no one could possibly be as well-informed as you. Why, if I were to take some of your bizzare sayings, i.e., burning in hell and such, I might think you are a satanist. Are you? Can't prove it by me. Amazing.
Wow...that is huge for a "small" message...
and what possible "context" could change the meaning of those quotes? I invite you to elaborate on that. They said it, they meant it. And if you will read up on it, it WAS the intelligence gathered by the Clinton administration that Bush used. The SAME men were advising him who advised Clinton (Clarke and Tenet). I still say that was his BIGGEST mistake (keeping them). Nice try at a smoke screen, but the fact remains...if the intelligence was lies, they are ALL lying. Not JUST Bush. The Iraq Liberation Act came under the Clinton administration...not the Bush administration. Crafted by Democrats, endorsed enthusiastically by Democrats. I would believe all that before I would believe the claims of one man and one book that is being quoted ad nauseam. the fact that it is accepted as "fact" (I would imagine it is listed as "fiction" in book stores) in the face of all this historical data (you can't argue with the Library of Congress, and a person's own eyes and ears regarding those quotes).
I REPEAT...over 50% of individuals polled say they are against abortion. In a democracy (NOT THEOCRACY) majority is supposed to rule. THAT is also constitutional. But I guess that escapes some delusional zealots who want to impose their lack of morality on the rest of us?? (to use your words) There is no need to be hateful about this.
Can't believe you use the term "over a lots of dead bodies." Why is it more horrific that a woman would die from a botched abortion than the millions of bodies of aborted children that pile up year after year? What is even remotely moral about that? How someone can defend that in the name of choice...defies any morality.
And to set the record straight...not everyone who is against abortion is against it on religious grounds. They are against it on MORAL grounds. You don't have to be religious to have morality. There are several folks who identify themselves as "true" liberals and say that if you oppose war, oppose the death penality, on the basis of loss of life that it is inconsistent to be pro abortion. And I would agree, that based on everything I have read about the liberal philosophy, it is inconsistent with being pro abortion. But I guess some "liberals" pick and choose what life is worth saving. There's that choice thing again.
How can it be right to give one person (the mother) choice over the life of another (the child)? And why is that choice only good before the baby takes a breath, and afterward it becomes murder? That is about as inconsistent as it gets.
The challenges have failed because there have remained enough liberal judges in the court to keep from a majority. That is why it has failed. Why won't Congress just take it up and pass an abortion law (a REAL law)...why did they never do that in all the years abortion was illegal? Ask yourself THAT question.
Our next President WILL be a huge factor
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We've had HUGE government
over the last eight years, up through and including the purchase of BANKS.
Why is it that we can find money for wars and thieving corporations, but one PENNY designed to help American citizens is viewed as evil? Why is the thought of rebuilding our crumbling infrastructures such a bad thing, considering it will require WORKERS to do that and will bring JOBS with it?
Why is it okay for Bush to care so much about the Iraqi people he bombed that he included comprehensive and universal healthcare as part of his Iraq war budget, yet the mere mention of helping almost 50 million people acquire healthcare just terrible?
All that's just fine and dandy, but dare to mention one thing to help Americans get by in a bad economy is suddenly "big government"?
Bush only cared about corporate welfare and is supported. Obama cares about people and is trashed. For the life of me, I don't understand that way of thinking.
P.S. Who do you think will ultimately pay for all the things I mentioned above -- the things that Bush placed on the world's "credit card?"
Well I really didn't think it was a huge deal
and you are the only person who freaked out about it. Give it a rest!
This is not social programs......this is HUGE government
!!
And now we have a huge trade imbalance with china..
because China has bought up all of our securities in the form of loans. That's why kids toys are full of lead. If you're smart, you will check the labels on ALL products you buy. Did you know that in China they string their chicken coops over shrimp ponds? The chicken feed is supplemented with shavings, dust, particles from plastics and fiberglass plants (to save money) and the chicken droppings are what the shrimp feed on. Crest toothpaste is made in Mexico. Hepatitis A outbreaks came from Mexico. Dollar store brands? Check the labels on vitamins, aspirin, EVERYTHING (China - they put ANYTHING in their products). Even Birdseye frozen vegetables are grown and packaged in Mexico. The only store I have found that the labels inevitably say: Grown and manufactured in the USA is SAVE-A-LOT!!! What happened to the FDA? Remember when Bush said we couldn't buy our medications from Canada? Guess who is making most of our meds now................
It would just create a huge black market, and
Why such a huge deal made about the auto LOAN
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Trusting Obama's character. That is a huge problem
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I feel no hope, but a huge depression coming.
it is going to be a long, crazy, up and down, scary ride. I do not see any hope, but failure for this country. Will NEVER be the same. You all who wanted change are going to get it. I am not sure what change the O keeps talking about, but it does not sound good to me at all. I want to have hope, but I cannot stand who the O picked for Chief of Staff. Hiliary Clinton stated yesterday, IN HER OWN WORDS, were not good about him at all. The only vocabulary that he has coming out of his mouth is 4-letter words. He is nothing but a JERK. So I guess that means we all can act like Rahm Emanuel and maybe we all can get somewhere in life? I do not think so, but that is who the O picked. I guess I should read DickMorris' book when he worked with President Clinton and Rhambo who is not very trusthworthy individual. It seems to me is psycho. Starting to stock up on paper products, toilet paper, paper towels and even tampons since paper products were hard to find during the depression. If the car companies do not get bailed out, look out country. I do have mixed feelings about bailing out car companies though. I wish we could, but then it will be bailing them out for the next 2 years and then next in line will be airline companies. WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
The huge emphasis on tomorrow is in direct proportion to
Finally. A President we can all be PROUD of, instead of hide-your-head-in-a-bag EMBARRASSED.
R U kiddding? We need all the help we can muster filling up and bridging the huge hungry abyss that
and cronies left behind!!! Every hear you have to invest money to make money? It is not the perfect answer, nothing is, and it will now work magic right away, but we have hope of long-term, sustained growth of jobs through spending for infrastructure jobs, construction, renovation, improvements, and while it will take much time for all of this to get the poor Bushwacked economy going again, we need to help out struggling families without jobs, we need the money for social programs that will feed the poor and indigent in the meantime, we need to get our IGNORED school systems to achieve once again, we are well behind most of the European and Asian nations, educate your children well, invest in their minds and futures, invest in good teachers and technology, and the economy will slowly reap the benefits of all this, too, for future generations. Hey, I am sorry that Bush wrecked the economy with his multi-trillion $$$ war, which is still looking a lot like Viet Nam, and his failed trickle-down economics and cronyism, but at least the President is trying, he is trying to listen, he has taken out a few of the big red flags that so many thought wrong and wasteful(and I agree, by the way), but now he is at least rolling up his sleeves and concentrating.
I hear so much criticism here....is there ANYONE on this earth who is willing to take this on and has a better proposal that not only will get us going again, but will provide this nation with what it needs to keep growing on a steady pace, put people back to work, get our GIP up again, give a hand to starving homeless and sick people, lift up our decomposing educational system, while trying to be bi-partisan????????????
But doesn't shale oil extraction use huge amounts of ground water? sm
I've heard there are enviromental issues that we haven't really delved into yet, such as contamination of your drinking water if you're on a well.
Nancy Pelosi has become a huge embarrassment and detriment to the Dem party, IMHO......nm
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Oil/oil revenue surplus in Iraq…to reconstruct or not to reconstruct? sm
That is the question. The Bush boo/boo just keeps getting bigger and bigger. http://www.slate.com/id/2081831/
Oil/oil revenue surplus in Iraq…to reconstruct or not to reconstruct? sm
This is the correct link. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/world/middleeast/06surplus.html?ref=worldspecial
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