these are huge churches
Posted By: wowzer on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: I can tell you - sbMT
As you may remember, I am a Jew, but these Christian Churches listed are pretty large denominations:
UMC - 12 million worldwide members, 8 million in the U.S.
PC-USA - 2.2 million
Episcopalian - 2.2 million
American Baptist - 1.4 million
UCC - 1.2
The above are just some of the member churches. Are all of these denominations full of false prophets or reading a different bible?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I just find it very interesting
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Huge, HUGE difference.
I'd be saving a lot of money. 
Churches (and charities) with 501(c)(3)
Or they risk losing their tax exempt status. There are plenty of churches in my area that hand out voter guides, often with misleading information or outright lies in them. But people believe them because they got the guides at church. There are even pastors and preachers that tell their congregations who to vote for and that if they don't vote the "right" way, there will be eternal repercussions.
If the churches don't like the law, they should lobby to change it. Until that time, they should obey it.
churches & political endorsements
In Mark 8:15, Jesus strictly warned us to "Beware of the leaven of Herod." Why did he say this?? It is because in his day there was a group of Jews called Herodians. They mixed religion & politics, & tried to curry favor with Rome by doing the bidding of Herod, who was dependent on their leavening influence in order to maintain taxation & control over Israel. Any church that is political has partaken of "the leaven of Herod." The only churches that are free of this leaven are the Amish-Mennonites & the Jehovah's Witnesses, who abstain from voting & are conscientous objectors to war. They also refrain from displaying national flags on their platforms, seeing that Christ's kingdom is "not of this world." (John 18:36)
When Israel decided that they needed to choose a king over them (1 Sam. 8), God said that they were rejecting Him & trusting in the arm of flesh. Likewise, voting is a carnal weapon of warfare (2 Cor. 10:4), & is leaning on the arm of flesh (Jer. 17:5). A vote for president is a vote for commander in chief of the armed forces, & Christians are not to have no part in avenging evil for evil. (Contrast the duties of the church in Romans 12, with the duties of the state in Romans 13.)
Why not leave marriage up to the churches
There are some churches performing marriages now and have been for years. Go to the court house and get your "union license" and then get married whereever the heck you can. My Presbyterian church has been performing weddings for gays for almost 20 years.
Oh cmon - get real. ALL churches preach
solely behind the pulpit, either. I'm sure just as much hatred is spewed at those QUILTING BEES, or during Athletes for Christ football practice.
Give me equal rights, gay marriage and pride, and freedom to believe as I choose ANY day, over all tht archaic religious fear-mongering.
Christian churches take people on their word (sm)
if they knew he was Muslim before but he was professing that he wanted to change to Christian, they would never tell him no. We don't exclude anyone who wants to become a Christian. There is no background check or paperwork to fill out, you simply tell the people that is what you want to do and that's it.
You call that an excuse? There are plenty of churches that offer those things!! nm
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and came in with a huge surplus!
Huge mistake
I have been banned from this board a long time, and finally they let me back in. There is a post from this Nan person, a cartoon justifying it as filbustering T. Kennedy; when in essence it makes a mockery out of thousands of Americans, and even more Iraq's lives lost. I did go on the wrong board, I did not intend to, honestly. I have not been on this board for more than 4 months until last night; and I can understand the moderator's decision to change it; but I really did not know. Who is this Nan person? She must be a moderator because if you challenge her with the truth one iota, your posts are deleted. Again, the moderators have allowed me to get away with a lot. I do understand their decision to split it into conservatives and liberals; and I have no excuse, I have had an extremly stressful week, went on there to express my opinion and my posts were deleted, I simply went on the wrong board and once again was called a troll. Anyone who disagrees with this Nan person is accused of being a troll.
It was a huge failing. sm
And you are right, genocide has occured through many presidencies. It occurred in Iraq to the tune of Millions. But no one talks about that. So which genocide do we choose? Are some politically correct and some not? Just wondering.
Another huge concern........
Where is all the money coming from being donated to Obama's campaign. They are using fake names. Why? Now, most common sense folks will know why if we don't want to deceive ourselves. No doubt Muslim organizations, corrupt groups, terrorists related groups.....you name it. See how well that never gets reported on most of your news channels. FOX has tried and is bringing it up again but try to get others, with the exception of Lou Dobbs, who will call a spade a spade....and please don't get racial with me.....you know what I mean.
A huge list.....
of wars in the name of God just came to mind....Hmmmm.
There is a huge difference.......... sm
between an MT who might be fortunate enough to make $20 an hour, which could be considered a livable wage, and a UAW making about $40 an hour without benefits. And no, I'm not one of the fortunate ones, but if I were and that were in the offing, then I would likely start looking into retraining for another line of work. Be that as it may, MTs are paid less than slave wages now, or hadn't you noticed before you retired?
The UAW taking a cut in pay is not in order for money to "go to the coffers of the CEOs." The CEOs are supposed to take pay cuts as well and at least 2 of them are working for $1 a year, aren't they? This is about saving the industry, but I doubt this bailout will do that. Come March, I fully expect that nothing will have changed and they will want more money and/or time. Will be interesting to see what happens then.
Oklahoma alone has a huge oil supply. sm
When I worked at the University, I was told there was so much oil in capped off tanks, it would astound the populance to know how much. The oil is here.
gt you just made a huge mistake. sm
You have no idea what my religion is. I would never make an assumption like this. This one statement of your's and the other person who called me a Xtian (too darn lazy to type out Christian) reveals the true inner workings of the leftist mine. If you are not with me, you are against me. That's your motto and no one could possibly be as well-informed as you. Why, if I were to take some of your bizzare sayings, i.e., burning in hell and such, I might think you are a satanist. Are you? Can't prove it by me. Amazing.
Wow...that is huge for a "small" message...
and what possible "context" could change the meaning of those quotes? I invite you to elaborate on that. They said it, they meant it. And if you will read up on it, it WAS the intelligence gathered by the Clinton administration that Bush used. The SAME men were advising him who advised Clinton (Clarke and Tenet). I still say that was his BIGGEST mistake (keeping them). Nice try at a smoke screen, but the fact remains...if the intelligence was lies, they are ALL lying. Not JUST Bush. The Iraq Liberation Act came under the Clinton administration...not the Bush administration. Crafted by Democrats, endorsed enthusiastically by Democrats. I would believe all that before I would believe the claims of one man and one book that is being quoted ad nauseam. the fact that it is accepted as "fact" (I would imagine it is listed as "fiction" in book stores) in the face of all this historical data (you can't argue with the Library of Congress, and a person's own eyes and ears regarding those quotes).
I REPEAT...over 50% of individuals polled say they are against abortion. In a democracy (NOT THEOCRACY) majority is supposed to rule. THAT is also constitutional. But I guess that escapes some delusional zealots who want to impose their lack of morality on the rest of us?? (to use your words) There is no need to be hateful about this.
Can't believe you use the term "over a lots of dead bodies." Why is it more horrific that a woman would die from a botched abortion than the millions of bodies of aborted children that pile up year after year? What is even remotely moral about that? How someone can defend that in the name of choice...defies any morality.
And to set the record straight...not everyone who is against abortion is against it on religious grounds. They are against it on MORAL grounds. You don't have to be religious to have morality. There are several folks who identify themselves as "true" liberals and say that if you oppose war, oppose the death penality, on the basis of loss of life that it is inconsistent to be pro abortion. And I would agree, that based on everything I have read about the liberal philosophy, it is inconsistent with being pro abortion. But I guess some "liberals" pick and choose what life is worth saving. There's that choice thing again.
How can it be right to give one person (the mother) choice over the life of another (the child)? And why is that choice only good before the baby takes a breath, and afterward it becomes murder? That is about as inconsistent as it gets.
The challenges have failed because there have remained enough liberal judges in the court to keep from a majority. That is why it has failed. Why won't Congress just take it up and pass an abortion law (a REAL law)...why did they never do that in all the years abortion was illegal? Ask yourself THAT question.
Our next President WILL be a huge factor
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We've had HUGE government
over the last eight years, up through and including the purchase of BANKS.
Why is it that we can find money for wars and thieving corporations, but one PENNY designed to help American citizens is viewed as evil? Why is the thought of rebuilding our crumbling infrastructures such a bad thing, considering it will require WORKERS to do that and will bring JOBS with it?
Why is it okay for Bush to care so much about the Iraqi people he bombed that he included comprehensive and universal healthcare as part of his Iraq war budget, yet the mere mention of helping almost 50 million people acquire healthcare just terrible?
All that's just fine and dandy, but dare to mention one thing to help Americans get by in a bad economy is suddenly "big government"?
Bush only cared about corporate welfare and is supported. Obama cares about people and is trashed. For the life of me, I don't understand that way of thinking.
P.S. Who do you think will ultimately pay for all the things I mentioned above -- the things that Bush placed on the world's "credit card?"
Well I really didn't think it was a huge deal
and you are the only person who freaked out about it. Give it a rest!
This is not social programs......this is HUGE government
!!
And now we have a huge trade imbalance with china..
because China has bought up all of our securities in the form of loans. That's why kids toys are full of lead. If you're smart, you will check the labels on ALL products you buy. Did you know that in China they string their chicken coops over shrimp ponds? The chicken feed is supplemented with shavings, dust, particles from plastics and fiberglass plants (to save money) and the chicken droppings are what the shrimp feed on. Crest toothpaste is made in Mexico. Hepatitis A outbreaks came from Mexico. Dollar store brands? Check the labels on vitamins, aspirin, EVERYTHING (China - they put ANYTHING in their products). Even Birdseye frozen vegetables are grown and packaged in Mexico. The only store I have found that the labels inevitably say: Grown and manufactured in the USA is SAVE-A-LOT!!! What happened to the FDA? Remember when Bush said we couldn't buy our medications from Canada? Guess who is making most of our meds now................
It would just create a huge black market, and
Why such a huge deal made about the auto LOAN
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Trusting Obama's character. That is a huge problem
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I feel no hope, but a huge depression coming.
it is going to be a long, crazy, up and down, scary ride. I do not see any hope, but failure for this country. Will NEVER be the same. You all who wanted change are going to get it. I am not sure what change the O keeps talking about, but it does not sound good to me at all. I want to have hope, but I cannot stand who the O picked for Chief of Staff. Hiliary Clinton stated yesterday, IN HER OWN WORDS, were not good about him at all. The only vocabulary that he has coming out of his mouth is 4-letter words. He is nothing but a JERK. So I guess that means we all can act like Rahm Emanuel and maybe we all can get somewhere in life? I do not think so, but that is who the O picked. I guess I should read DickMorris' book when he worked with President Clinton and Rhambo who is not very trusthworthy individual. It seems to me is psycho. Starting to stock up on paper products, toilet paper, paper towels and even tampons since paper products were hard to find during the depression. If the car companies do not get bailed out, look out country. I do have mixed feelings about bailing out car companies though. I wish we could, but then it will be bailing them out for the next 2 years and then next in line will be airline companies. WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
The huge emphasis on tomorrow is in direct proportion to
Finally. A President we can all be PROUD of, instead of hide-your-head-in-a-bag EMBARRASSED.
R U kiddding? We need all the help we can muster filling up and bridging the huge hungry abyss that
and cronies left behind!!! Every hear you have to invest money to make money? It is not the perfect answer, nothing is, and it will now work magic right away, but we have hope of long-term, sustained growth of jobs through spending for infrastructure jobs, construction, renovation, improvements, and while it will take much time for all of this to get the poor Bushwacked economy going again, we need to help out struggling families without jobs, we need the money for social programs that will feed the poor and indigent in the meantime, we need to get our IGNORED school systems to achieve once again, we are well behind most of the European and Asian nations, educate your children well, invest in their minds and futures, invest in good teachers and technology, and the economy will slowly reap the benefits of all this, too, for future generations. Hey, I am sorry that Bush wrecked the economy with his multi-trillion $$$ war, which is still looking a lot like Viet Nam, and his failed trickle-down economics and cronyism, but at least the President is trying, he is trying to listen, he has taken out a few of the big red flags that so many thought wrong and wasteful(and I agree, by the way), but now he is at least rolling up his sleeves and concentrating.
I hear so much criticism here....is there ANYONE on this earth who is willing to take this on and has a better proposal that not only will get us going again, but will provide this nation with what it needs to keep growing on a steady pace, put people back to work, get our GIP up again, give a hand to starving homeless and sick people, lift up our decomposing educational system, while trying to be bi-partisan????????????
But doesn't shale oil extraction use huge amounts of ground water? sm
I've heard there are enviromental issues that we haven't really delved into yet, such as contamination of your drinking water if you're on a well.
Nancy Pelosi has become a huge embarrassment and detriment to the Dem party, IMHO......nm
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