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okay, that means they weren't......

Posted By: so you have nothing to add then....nm on 2009-02-06
In Reply to: I could post anything, just like you - sm

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you weren't there - you don't know
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And I never said you weren't entitled!
Give me a break!  You have religious freedom.  I never said you didn't!
First off, weren't there tapes by OBL after 9/11
I thought that's how they knew who it was. I guess I recall the events surrounding 9/11 a little differently. Second off, I agree there's a good possibility he's already dead, but even so, let's be certain. Also, he's surely designated followers to carry out any other plans he had, so dead or not, we need to keep searching and hopefully take down as many of his right-hand men as possible along the way. Finally, OBL is already on the FBI Most Wanted list for murder for the 1998 bombings and as suspect in many others.
You said it. Glad we weren't the only ones.
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I know you weren't attacking me....
I was just telling you why I thought what I thought. sorry if I sounded defensive, didn't mean to be. :)
No - they weren't facts.......
Twisted spin that fools no one but yourself. You try to pass your drivel off as facts, but, well, I'll let them speak for themselves.
So, you weren't exactly being honest.
If your husband is sitting at home buying and selling stocks for your own portfolio, he does not "work" in stocks/trading. I am not assuming anything, I am just going by what you say, which apparently is not true.

It seems that you are the one who is assuming much more about what I am thinking than I have actually said. I thin it's time you visit the "real world."
HOW do YOU know that they weren't tortured?
Did you speak with them and they told you so?

Some were tortured, although innocent, this surely did not make them change their mind.

I defend the innocent ones.

If you weren't so unhinged and WRONG
that post would anger me.  Your ignorance only goes to show why you extreme leftists are ruining the democratic party.  I actually feel sorry for the good level headed democrats who have to put with the hateful deluded people like you.
Okay if you weren't shooting me the bird
then what were you trying to tell me oh and high and mighty one?
You consider *it would be so nice if you weren't here* an attack? sm
Wow. 
Excuse me, but I thought we weren't... sm
Supposed to cut and paste large things like this because it takes up too much bandwidth?  I thought we were supposed to provide the link to a website instead. 
If it weren't for uninformed voters

NEITHER candidate would have a chance. 


VOTING BY WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!!!!!!!


Au contraire. Would't be asking if I weren't interested.
wanna help me out here?
They weren't 'LET OFF THE HOOK"
For starters, Obama did not dismiss these charges, Susan Crawford, described as a TOP LEGAL AUTHORITY for military trials did. Obama orders were to simply FREEZE the court proceedings (hello) PENDING the results of ongoing reviews of Gitmo operations.

Crawford's dedcision seems perfectly appropriate to me since dismissing the charges (ahem) WITHOUT PREJUDICE means he can be charged again once the results of the reviews are in, ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that Abd Al-Rahim will remain in custody.

It looks as though you weren't really paying attention...
He said the same thing over and over. Withdraw troops from Iraq and put more boots on the ground in Afghanistan..........how could you have missed THAT? Selective hearing? Selective posting, too, I guess.
If they weren't qualified - how did they get the loans?
Get real. When I bought my house it took MONTHS to prove my income, the down payment had to sit in my banking account for months, the bank found an old unpaid hospital bill (I was unaware of) that was 10 years old that I had to prove I had insurance at the time and either the hospital screwed up or the insurance company never paid - I almost did not get the loan because of this! So, how do all of these unqualified people, irresponsible people, get home loans when they are so woefully unqualified? Because the lenders didn't give a rats whether or not the person could pay it back. They were boxing these loans together and selling them as securities. Did YOU ever buy a house? Did YOU have to jump through hoops? I sure did and I still have the house. So smoke that!
What makes you so sure they WEREN'T terrorists?
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Weren't you the one crying and whining

about how dare CA take away the rights they had given to gay people and how it shouldn't have been voted on and blah blah blah.  You even brought up women's right to vote and how about we overturn that....blah blah blah.  Now you want to take away the benefits that marriage has always had just because gay people want everything equal.  I do believe that you were one of the ones that said it wasn't fair for gays to have to settle for civil unions and how dare I suggest such a thing. 


Honestly....I'd agree to this just to shut you people up because I'm so sick to death of hearing about gay rights and poor gay people.....blah blah blah.  Once again....I guess the Bible thumpers that you hate so much will do the compromising and once again give up something of ours to make you happy.  Feel better now?


Weren't you just thanking God on the conservative board because

Which God was that?  THe one that plays favorites?


Weren't they. I kept thinking someone was going to yank the cord...sm
*In a post-911 world* (I just wanted to say that :) I kept thinking special services was going to swoop in and take him down at any moment for the things he was saying.

Heehee. I'm in a laughing mood tonight.
Well, obviously they weren't impress with the moderator's call...
to stick to politics and not attack anyone personally. Not a whole lot of politics going on here tonight. lol.
LMAO. If it weren't so pathetic it could be funny.

I never said citizens weren't allowed to vote.

I just do not think that same day register and voting should be allowed.  That is my personal opinion and I have the right to have that opinion regardless on how a court ruled on the subject.


A Quiet Windfall for US Banks (While You Weren't Looking)

Here's you starter-kit that went under the radar screen, tax and spend lovers...


» Washington Post: A Quiet Windfall for US Banks


Why weren't they returned to Afghan/Pak or China ? ..nm
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Weren't they captured in Tora Bora? Innocent, I'm not so sure.
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If it weren't for uninformed voters, Obama wouldn't have a chance.
Did you happen to catch John Stossel's report on 20/20 last night?
AWWW....you weren't supposed to tell anyone!! Can't keep a secret worth a dang!!

if it weren't for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all!
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I knew you weren't the type -- just adding my own yuck, yuck!!! nm

I think you know what she means...nm

Oh, by all means, it is I who thank you.
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This means nothing to me
I have seen this and it has been debated as naseum.

As far as winning in Iraq, I am not sure what we are supposed to win.


And please, don't EVER call me your DEAR again. Keep your patronizing on our own board.

Thank you.
It means nothing to you. sm
Yes, by all means, save your anger for being called dear when there it is posted in black and white what the antiwar movement did to our soldiers in Vietnam.  Lord love a duck, but I have seen it all now.
Oh, I know what it means....
It is just an uneducated, goofy thing to say...that's all.  And you should apologize to all those "grandmas" on this site who you just offended.  You are so negative!
Thanks - that means a lot
Was wondering if anyone would comment. I always question what the government feeds us, but I truly never have in my entire life ever heard our enemies say they hate us because we are free. I always think - how absurd. They just want us to leave them along and stop imposing our viewpoints on them. Thanks again.
I did not know what this means
I'm not sure if you're implying this is a good thing or not and because I didn't know what it means I looked it up. I'll write what I found out and then you can tell me if you think its a good thing or not.

Black theology refers to a variety of Christian theologies which has at its base in the liberation of the marginalized, especially the injustice done towards blacks in American and South African contexts. Black theology mixes liberation theology and the work of Paulo Freire with the civil rights and black power movements.

I had to keep researching certain terms in this because it was still confusing, so I looked up liberation theology and it states that liberation theology is a school of theology within Christianity, particularly in the Roman Catholic Church. Two of the starting points of Liberation theology are first, the question of the original sin, and second, the idea that Christians should make good use of the talents given by God, and that includes intelligence in a general sense, and in particular science.

I then looked up who Paulo Freire is and it says he was a brazilian educator and influential theorist of education. He became familiar with poverty and hunger during the 1929 depression and these experiences shaped his concerns for the poor and would help to construct his particular educational viewpoint.

There's way to much information on both these topics to write here, but to me it sounds like another positive for the Obama's Trinity Unity Church.
Sure you can. :) Means I am doing something right. lol. nm
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It means something to me. Obviously not to you....
stop reading my posts if they aggravate you so much. It is a free country. No one is forcing your little mouse to click but you.
Well, that certainly means you are NOT
me his character. Show me one close friend in his past without a shady background, one he does not have to defend. Everyone who has touched his life and made any sort of impression on him has warped his character. Yet, no one who is enamored with him seems to care. They do not care that he stands for nothing, they cannot tell you what his plans for this country are or how he is going to accomplish them. And, they certainly do not want to listen to anything from his past.
Ah, that means you definitely know one or more
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maybe she means
congress???
no it means
that I don't wish to spend the time to indulge you

By all means...............sm
let me get that door for you.
It means......
Why didn't you run for election, YOU MIGHT HAVE BECOME THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE ABLE TO EVEN TELL THE 44TH PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BARACK OBAMA, WHAT TO DO.

I guess that when it comes to foreign policy you are in the la-la-land.
It means I won't lie....
But because "several in your town" exist, presumably, that doesn't make you an expert except for maybe in your own grandiose dreams.
Oh, by all means...
Let's jump on this bandwagon instead of discussing the train wreck that IS in the White House.

And, to be honest, this post does NOT deserve to be on the political board. It has nothing to do with politics, just the sore winner Dems continuing to skewer the loser. Palin LOST, people. Let it go.

What she means to say....(sm)
is that I am one of a handful of liberals left on this board.  Most everyone else is a republican, so therefore anything I say on here is typically not understood, taken out of context, or simply replied to in terms of character assassination, like the post that I'm responding to now.  Just look down the board and you'll see what I'm talking about.
russell means







Russell Means Visits Camp Casey II


Means Says He Understands Power Of Women


By Gene Ellis
ICONOCLAST REPORTER


CAMP CASEY II — Russell Means’ appearance on the stage at Camp Casey II in Crawford yesterday was a surprise to many. For background on this famous Indian (who eschews the government term “Native American”), see brief additional biographical information at the end of this story.


Means, a long-time activist, arrived in Central Texas to support the efforts of Cindy Sheehan and her Iraq war protestors. He well understands the power of women. He spoke, both on stage and in a later interview with the Iconoclast, of the matriarchal society of the American Indian.


Motherhood in America has an inkling of the meaning of this, Means mused, but the Indians live it.


He explained that in a family, the mother is the only member who cannot be replaced. Women live longer than men, can stand more pain, have more endurance, he said. At about this point, Means introduced his wife, Pearl, and received a hug from Joan Baez, who was sitting on the floor of the stage with Cindy Sheehan, listening to Means’ remarks.


Means said that America has a patriarchal society where men rule alone and in fear of the unknown because they are alone. Matriarchy, he pointed out, is not fear-based. In a matriarchal society, each sex is celebrated for its strengths, and there is local control, male/female balance.


During the later interview with the Iconoclast, Means made a point of saying that he is sincere about women taking control of their power, providing a balanced and positive culture. The Blue and Gold Star mothers have an innate understanding of matriarchy, according to Means, even though, as members of a patriarchal society, they have been brainwashed for many years.


In a matriarchal society, all must be responsible.


“If the government of this country imposes so many rules, we feel no responsibility for ourselves, and we become careless,” said Means. To illustrate his point, he used the example of the lack of traffic rules in Italy. Because there are no rules, each person must take it upon his or herself to be responsible, not to be careless, to ensure his or her own safety.


When asked to speak about military recruiters targeting low-income youths, including Indians, Means said that it follows the history of a patriarchal society that the poor kids are to be the common fodder. Even after the Civil War, when Americans wouldn’t join the military, European immigrants were pulled off boats and forced to do two years of subscripted service to obtain citizenship. The poor are always a target for military induction, Means concluded.


Means reiterated that if men rule alone in their citadels of power, they are fearful.


A libertarian, Means paraphrased George Washington, “Government is force, nothing more, nothing less.”


Means added to this his own thoughts, “This government is evil. How can patriots support a president over the Constitution? That is treason. The purpose of the first amendment is to encourage dissent. Without dissent, it is impossible to live free.”


His comments were reminiscent of Margaret Mead’s quote that has graced the back of many a tee shirt in Crawford over the last two weeks. It reads, “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”


The Los Angeles Times has described Russell Means as the most famous American Indian since Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse.


Means is a life-long indigenous rights/constitutional rights activist, actor, artist, and author. His best selling autobiography “Where White Men Fear to Tread” is currently on its eighth printing. He has a doctorate in Indian Studies, and is also a practicing attorney on the Sioux Indian Reservation in South Dakota.


For more than 30 years, Means has remained active with the American Indian Movement and has traveled and lectured extensively throughout the world while working for over 12 years with the United Nations.


Means became the first national director of The American Indian Movement (AIM). He is known for helping lead his people to stand against the United States government at the Siege of Wounded Knee in 1973.


His vision is for indigenous people to be free — free to be human, free to travel, free to shop, free to trade where they choose, free to choose their own teachers — free to follow the religion of their fathers, free to talk, think and act for themselves, and then, says Means, they will obey every law or submit to the penalty.


About The Siege at Wounded Knee, he wrote, “Our aim at Wounded Knee was to force the U.S. government to live up to its own laws. From that, one can draw the real lesson of our stand there: It is the duty of every responsible American to ensure that their government upholds the spirit and the laws of the United States Constitution. After all, what freedom really means is that you are free to be responsible.”


 



RUSSELL MEANS (right) gets a hug from singer Joan Baez at Camp Casey II on Saturday.
— Iconoclast Photo By Gene Ellis


 


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Please enlighten me as to what it means.
Considering we will never leave Iraq if Bush plans on placing a permanent military base there.