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Attention deficit disorder? Don't flame lies....

Posted By: sm on 2009-02-06
In Reply to: Get your head out of O's butt and pay attention!! - idiots......nm

to get attention. The attack on the USS Cole was pre-Bush. The "terrorists"were placed in Gitmo during Ws term - actually, they've only convicted 2 - and they have languished at taxpayers expense for what? No evidence. No proof of wrongdoing. Most were imprisoned illegally, hence, the need for flushing habeas corpus. Get your head out of your own butt.


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Ah, posting again, are we? Multiple personality disorder must
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I won't flame you at all.

I agree.


What I LIKE about Palin .... flame away

I like the fact that she is NOT a Washingtonian ..... Obama took a big hit with me - all that talk about change and then he picks Biden -- who has been in Washington most of his life, who does the Democrat double talk better than most!


I like the fact that she stands up for what she believes in and fights the big boys when necessary.


I like the fact she is a normal person .... sure, they have some money but .... she has problems and is dealing with them.   Her husband is blue collar worker, and to me that is a plus. 


Do I think she is ready to be VP?   I have to do more thinking and soul searching about that ...


Be honest about it -- they both chose their running mates based on what they hoped would help them win the most votes ... not who they really wanted or thought was most qualified!! 


I wanted a McCain/Lieberman ticket myself.


BUT.......  she does NOT deserve the crap she is taking.  That is what is wrong with politics in this country. 


The people who COULD do the best job -- WON'T EVEN RUN. They won't subject themselves to the BS they have to endure .....


JMHO .. I will be watching, reading and listening over the next few months.  Tough decisions to be made!


I am a mother...So flame me if you want..however. sm.
Our son is 11 and can debate the pros and cons of both Obama and McCain, Biden and Palin with the best of them. We have taught him that conservativism is the way we think, but everybody is entitled to their own opinion. We are a minority - being conservative in a rapidly turning libral world. And my husband is one of those people railed about...an "angry, white male who clings to his guns and religion."

Our country is going down the tubes, politicians and bankers are raping our country and getting away with it, we owe our souls to the company store aka China et al, and who pays for it??? We do..our children, grand-children, and gg-children.

To those who think that Obama walks on water...google Ayers, Rzko, Wright, Soros, and You-Tube. Listen to any conservative talk show..if you can find any, and listen. With all the overwhelming evidence about Obama and his "friends" etc, we are on a long, slippery slope to destruction of the greatest country there ever was. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves with what our country has become.

Ok, off my soapbox.
I may get flamed for this, but flame away...sm
What about the nurse or surg tech handing Tiller those instruments? ANY nurse or ANY surg tech handing the instruments to ANY doctor performing an abortion. Don't you think they should be taken to task? Not just the George Tiller's of this world, but also their assistants.

What happened to George Tiller is only the tip of the iceberg. Now all pro-life people will be tarred with the same brush. They are already looking into his blog postings on the Operation Rescue site. Now they have to defend themselves to the media, which means less focus on what they normally do.

I also read today in my LifeNews.com newsletter that Atty Gen Eric Holder has told the US Marshall's office to protect certain abortion clinics and certain abortion practioners.

This world is going to Hades in a handbasket.


No reason at all to flame because you are right...nm
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Maybe it has to do with the deficit. If you
up to your eyeballs in debt, then you are anti-American and don't support the ballooning deficit? Hey, it's as good as any other twisted logic we've had shoved down our throats the last 6 years.
Your flame went out, Brunson burner.

You apparently think I'm gt, but I'm not. 


But keep defending the behavior of your cohorts.


I have my shield up so go ahead FLAME AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, see how you gals are? You'll flame another
see eye-to-eye with YOUR perception of things. They're 'stupid'. They're 'evil'. They're 'socialists'. This list is endless. And I guess you don't think THAT'S 'rude'. Yet let someone make a derrogatory remark about the very root of the problem - the blind acceptance of a 'clique' that wants everyone the same, with belief in no other 'god' than your own, and suddenly they're all hideoously 'rude'.

Well, then I guess I'm rude, because I think for myself, and don't intend to let a bunch of bored housewives to try to think for me.
I didn't necessarily mean you would flame me....sm
but I have on my flame-proof suit because I am sure that others will. LOL

On a more serious note, I am watching Israel....have been for some time. (I'm also checking out the clouds lately, ;o) ). There are several different groups of Jews who are working toward the rebuilding of the temple. Once that first stone is set in place, it should go up quickly.....and so should we.
Look what he has done to the deficit in 2 months....
something it took Bush 8 years, and attack on this country and a war to do. No one has attacked us, and he has managed to double the debt in 2 months. Just think what he can do in 4...6...MONTHS, not years. And he won't be able to fix it just taxing the "rich." So, along with the promise to get all the troops out of Iraq (reneged already), along with the promise to do a line-by-line and stop earmarks (there were only 900+ on the bill he just signed - reneged already), will be the "I'm sorry, but the economy is lookin better and we have to raise taxes"...that will be the next one he reneges on. Unless of course you are in that bracket who gets refunds when you don't even pay taxes...is that where you are? No wonder you love him. All hail the great and powerful 0. lol.
Yes, take those words out of context and use them. Right, no flame whatsoever.
But I'm not interested in Barack, either, and I'm not alone in this thinking. However, I guess my apprehension is spot on if your idea of not flaming is to point to McCain. Goodness.
I wont flame. I agree... I am disgusted also. -O's
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deficit reduction?? Dont believe it.
Sorry, but I dont believe the reduction figures.  This administration has lied about almost everything that I frankly dont believe these figures.  We shall wait and see and most probably the figures will be proven to be wrong, as most everything coming from this administration..
Well, "dems", you have a big credibility deficit
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The Solution to the Budget Deficit


by: Dean Baker, t r u t h o u t | Perspective




Peter

Peter Peterson. (Photo: Reuters)




    Peter Peterson is coming to get your Social Security and Medicare. Peterson was the commerce secretary in the Nixon administration. He then went on to make billions of dollars as one of the top executives at the Blackstone Group, a private equity fund. Mr. Peterson is known as one of the top beneficiaries of the fund managers' tax break, through which he personally pocketed tens of millions of dollars.


    Mr. Peterson has been using his Wall Street wealth to attack these social insurance programs for decades, but he recently stepped up his efforts. Last year, he spent $1 billion to endow the Peter G. Peterson Foundation to further his efforts.


    In politics, it's not easy to counter the impact of $1 billion. In addition to its money, the Peterson crew enjoys the support of many important news outlets, most importantly The Washington Post, which pushes his line on both its editorial and news pages.


    In fact, The Post even went so far as to identify Peterson's foundation by its boilerplate, an organization that "advocates for federal fiscal responsibility," instead of telling readers of its political leanings, the normal mode of identification for such organizations. (The Center for Economic and Policy Research was established "to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives.")


    While the Peterson crew may have the money and the support of the media, the rest of us can rely on logic and ridicule to counter the attack. In this spirit, we have the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. (Mr. Peterson is apparently fond of having things named after him. In addition to his new Peter G. Peterson Foundation, he also has a think tank named after him, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics.)


    The Peterson tax credit would essentially take the Peterson crew at their word. They claim that they are worried that huge tax burdens will leave future generations worse off than the generations that preceded them.


    This isn't true. There is no plausible scenario, short of war or environmental disaster, that would leave future generations worse off than their parents or grandparents. But we don't have to argue with the billionaire; let's just give future generations the option to trade places with their parents or grandparents who made out so well.


    This is where the tax credit comes in. The tax credit would allow an individual to trade her after-tax income for the after-tax income that someone born 20 or 40 years sooner would have earned at the same age. For example, if someone born in 1990 believes in 2020 that their grandparents got a better deal, they would simply check off the year 1940, and they would have their taxes adjusted so that they would have the same after-tax income of a person born in 1940, when they were also age 30.


    Of course, the young ones would end up big losers in this story. Real wages, on average, will be more than 50 percent higher in 2020 than they were in 1970. Even if tax rates were, on average, 5 percentage points higher, workers in 2020 will still have after-tax wages that are more than 40 percent higher than their counterparts in 1970.


    This means that anyone who chose to take advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit would end up as a big loser. That is why it can help solve the deficit problem. If people check off the tax credit, they will pay more in taxes and, therefore, increase government revenue.


    It might be hard to convince large numbers of people to voluntarily pay more in taxes. This is where the Peterson Foundation comes in. They are spending huge amounts of money trying to convince young people that they are being ripped off by their parents and grandparents. They are even promoting front groups of young people to advance this effort.


    With his billion dollars, Peterson could convince a huge number of gullible young people to tax advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit. Insofar as he is successful in this effort, he can help to generate billions of dollars that can be used for items like health care, preschool education, and other pressing needs.


    So, let's join efforts with Mr. Peterson and encourage his followers to take advantage of the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. There is a word for taking money from willfully ignorant young people who would deny their parents and grandparents the Social Security and Medicare benefits they need to survive: justice.


Bush Created The Deficit
You should at least give the new president the opportunity to try to change things. He has to take a radical approach as the "business-as-usual" attitude in Washington would rather sit around and watch our economy and nation crumble than come up with any real, workable solutions.

Bush was handed a surplus when he took office and look how he managed to get us deep into debt. He left this legacy to the current administration to try to straighten out.

Republicans should put partisanship behind them and do what is right for this country - not themselves. When they were elected, they were supposed to represent all the people...
Unless you're God, you can't cut the deficit in half AND
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The deficit is coming down. It is down by 18 billion just recently

how do you know no one has anyone serving over there.  You have no way of knowing that.


Interview with Clinton RE: Bush's deficit
Tax cuts are always popular, Clinton said. But about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.

Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts, Clinton added. We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.


Clinton also discussed bringing world leaders together to combat the world's chronic problems — including extreme poverty, global warming and religious conflicts — as well as the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort and Hillary Clinton's political future.


The interview follows:


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Mr. President, good to see you again.


FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON: Thank you, George.


STEPHANOPOULOS: We're here on your initiative, and I want to talk about that, but let's begin with Katrina. President Bush has brought you into the recovery effort, but he's not taking all of your advice. You say roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy. He says no tax increase of any kind. We're spending $5 billion a month in Iraq, probably $200 billion on Katrina. Something's got to give.


CLINTON: Well, that's what I think. I think this idea — I think it's very important that Americans understand, you know, tax cuts are always popular, but about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.


They're responsible for this big structural deficit, and they're not going away, the deficits aren't. Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts. We have never done this before. Never in the history of our republic have we ever financed a conflict, military conflict, by borrowing money from somewhere else.


STEPHANOPOULOS: The president is not going to move. What do Democrats do?


CLINTON: They should continue to oppose it, and they should make it an issue in the 2006 election, and they should make it an issue in the 2008 election. And they should hope, to goodness, for the sake of our country, that the cows don't come home before we have time to rectify it.


I mean, sooner or later, just think what would happen if the Chinese — We're pressing the Chinese now, a country not nearly rich as America per capita, to keep loaning us money with low interest to cover my tax cut, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Katrina and at the same time to raise the value of their currency so their imports into our country will become more expensive, and our exports to them will become less expensive. And by the way, we don't want to let them buy any oil companies or anything like that.


So what if they just got tired of buying our debt? What if the Japanese got tired of doing it? Japan's economy is beginning to grow again. Suppose they decided they wanted to keep some of their money at home and invest it in Japan, because they're starting to grow?


We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Is there anything coming out of this initiative here that you can apply directly to Katrina and the poverty we saw revealed there?


CLINTON: Oh, yes, we have raised quite a bit of money for Katrina here. And former President Bush and I, you know, we were asked to raise money. We already have $90 million to $100 million. And what we're trying to do is make sure that our money goes directly to the poorest people who have been dislodged by working with church groups and others. We're working on some mechanisms now to do that, and we'll have some announcements in the next week or so.


But I think there will be a lot of money coming forward from the federal government. A lot of it will be necessary, you know, to build the infrastructure, rebuild the fabric of life and not simply in New Orleans but along the Gulf Coast.


STEPHANOPOULOS: The Gulf Coast.


CLINTON: Yes; you know, keep in mind, Mississippi was devastated. Everything from a mile in Mississippi was blown down, and Alabama, but we've got to do that.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Excuse me; the problems of race that were tied to poverty here, and I know you don't think there's any conscious racism at play in the response, but we saw one more time blacks and whites looked at this event through very different eyes. What can President Bush do about that, and looking back, do you think there was anything more you could have done as president?


CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of disaster management.


STEPHANOPOULOS: But the racial divide.


CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of that. For example, we had the lowest African-American unemployment, the lowest African-American poverty rate ever recorded. We had the highest homeownership, highest business ownership, and we moved 100 times as many people out of poverty in eight years as had been moved out in the previous 12 years.


This is a matter of public policy, and whether it's race-based or not, if you give your tax cuts to the rich and hope everything works out all right, and poverty goes up, and it disproportionately affects black and brown people, that's a consequence of the action made. That's what they did in the '80s; that's what they've done in this decade.


Palin's amazing geographic deficit.
According to CNN report:  Sarah Palin cannot name the NAFTA countries....there are only 3 (US, Mexico and Canada), the 7 CAFTA countries, thinks Africa is a COUNTRY rather than a continent (!) and believes South Africa is a region of the African "country" instead of its own separate country.  She's got a lot of catch up to do between now and 2012. 
Deficit Soars in Obama's Budget
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964/
Obobblehead QUADRUPLED the deficit in 4 months!
How much more time do you want to give this numbnut before you'll admit he's bad for America?

If a rabid dog is chewing on my leg, I don't have to wait a yaer to figure out if it hurts.
I won't flame you! I totally agree. Obama as president only weakens
this country and makes us ripe for the end.  He does not support Israel.  Keep your eyes on Israel.  I look for them to bomb Iran before Bush's term is up because they know Obama will not suport them. 
Just read today that the deficit is projected to go down to 313 billion very soon. sm
That's well over 100 billion less, but I know how hard it is to shape the words of appreciation for Hitler Nazi war criminal Bush, so the rest of us will just celebrate.
Over a $10 trillion dollar deficit today? That didn't happen on O's watch.
Yes, they need to trim down a lot of the programs crammed in the current stimulus package. But I don't approve of McCain's, either. Giving the top 10% a tax break benefits NO ONE but the top 10%. They drink imported wines, buy designer clothes and travel to foreign destinations - how does that benefit the bulk of Americans? It takes $30,000 to $40,000 in gas just to fill up their yachts - who does that benefit? Not us. Instead of "screw the poor!" - how about "screw the rich!"
try to pay attention okay?

You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today.  And I said the same holds true for republicans.  I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways.  Got it now?


just your attention
she wants your ATTENTION good or bad, happy or sad, so desperately lonely so desperately lonely.
pay attention.......... NDC
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You need to pay attention
Earlier this year, Obama HAS voted to raise taxes on the middle class. The democrats squawk on about raising taxes on the rich but the democrats believe the middle class ARE the rich. WHere have you been? Under a rock?

Obama and Clinton voted to raise taxes on the MIDDLE CLASS....a 3 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BLUEPRINT...where the democrats were throwing the tax thing out there to see if they could get enough votes on their little UNDER THE TABLE agenda. Under this any individual making over 31K and couples making more than 63K would be TAXED TAXED TAXED!!

Oh how you know only what you want to know!!
You really don't pay attention to what O is doing
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Well...if you would pay attention

they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons.  You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.


As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.


I'm trying to pay attention but

The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.


I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc. 


http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=17273


 


If you had an attention span, you'd know.

right, Sam. The nutcases who want attention.
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Too bad you didn't pay attention.
The bill failed because 90% of Americans were not behind it. The switchboards in the House and Senate were lit up like Christmas trees with people phoning in to encourage their elected officials to kill the bill. The Democrates did not even support the bill, and they had more than enough votes to accomplish that if they wanted.

I'm not surprised you think Bill Maher is funny. He replaced his brain with his anus ages ago and nobody seemed to notice. But, hey, he sure looked swell on that episode of Murder She Wrote. Yeah, he's the go-to guy for unbiased political commentary.
Pay close attention to what's NOT being said
This is a big story because imagine if that had happened to another presidential or vice-presidential candidate, that members of their follow church members were murdered in seperate killings.

Not even a liberal journalist can find ONE time Obama spoke about this while he was in that church. He has NEVER demanded more be done to find the killers. It's more like out of sight, out of mind.

Remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader.....he says there are NO gays in his country. Right!!

Since Obama is from a strong Muslim background, just makes me wonder what his true feelings are on this matter.
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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ATTENTION POSTERS

There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here. 


Read the sticky above.  Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here. 


We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board. 


Back off and take it easy on people.  Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks.  You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names. 


The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here.  Read the sticky.  Beware of flaming in these posts.  If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts. 


I think that if you truly paid attention

to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it.  Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance.  I have no problem helping people who need it.  I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that.  Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.


Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that.  We aren't being heartless here.  We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.


If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need.  Think about it.


Then you need to pay attention to the fact that
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It's even more interesting when you pay attention...(sm)

In my post below this I did address dems (Pelosi)....and I quote:


"If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway."


However, now that you mention it, as far as calling Pelosi a liar or Pelosi saying that the CIA lied, well, that would be hard for any of us to do as I'm pretty sure none of us were in that meeting to verify what was said......except (of course) trigger happy.  I'm assuming she was there as she seems to know exactly who is and who isn't lying. 


You don't pay very close attention then do you?
O'Reilly has defended Obama on many occasions, trying to find some middle ground as to why he has done or not done some things.

He isn't far right by any means but on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with wanting to preserve our constitution as written.


If he's so far right conservative, it's funny then how FOX news has run circles around all the other news outlets in the ratings. Even adding all of the others' ratings together, FOX news still trumps them big time. That means all the liberal idjits out there are losing ground big time. Those MSNBC/NBC/CNN hate mongerers out there are losing ground big time.

Could it be folks are finally realizing Obama isn't living up to all those promises? It's finally starting to dawn on them this isn't the man for the job. The ratings are proof positive people in this country are ready to hear the truth, not the far left immoral agenda....
have you been paying attention
to the differences between what he said and what he does on other issues. things like (Paraphrased) "I don't want to be in the business of running car companies." ".....won't see any new taxes of any kind." "taxing health care benefits would be wrong." I think when you say when thing and do another that is a lie and it is manipulative.
You really must not have been paying attention
Other than a very brief period about 8-1/2 years ago, the divide in the country has been growing larger for about the last 10 years...surely you did not think we had national unity back in the Clinton years, did you? How about the 8 years of Bush the Younger? Frankly, other than a few of the more vociferous 'radical right' pundits, the country is not doing too bad. The moderates and independents have not chimed in yet as they realize that it's going to take longer than 150 days to clean up the mess left when the keys were handed to the POTUS. So far, the only people truly divided are the extremes, and, frankly, I tend to be happier when I'm catered to in the middle since we're so often forgotten.
exactly, people should better pay more attention
what happens outside the US, as this deterimes what will happen inside the US.
Pay close attention.....
I have read this and it made my skin crawl...

pay close attention to what she is saying...


Like imperialists of Old World Europe, the ACP sees their constituents not as free thinking individuals who best know how to go about achieving and creating their own means for success. Instead, the ACP sees his constituents as a flock of ignorant sheep that need to be led -- oftentimes to their own slaughter.

How many tried to point out BEFORE the election that this man is a racist individual with absoutely no concern for the American people. He is an African Muslim through and through and ANYONE who truly took the time to find out anything about Obama would have seen him for what he truly is, a person who is very loyal to Africa, thinks the African colonial views are best and has started enforcing HIS beliefs one after another on this country.

"Lambs to the slaughter"!! Only those with blinders on think he is going to be the answer to their prayers....

ACORN obsessed with the color his skin as did most ALL black people and whites that voted for him...

It sickened me then and it sickens me even more now. I have said it all along. That man is NOT an American, STILL has produced no VALID birth certificate(not a surprise), has no loyalty to this country and never will, and is a Muslim through and through, just like his father. He spells it all out in his book and truly like "lambs to the slaughter" they still voted that non-American into office.

Now we ALL pay the price!!

Too many most that put O into office will NEVER read this article and even if they could read and did read it, they wouldn't comprehend a thing this indivdiual is trying to say...
She is right. He has no interest in what the American people want, only what he sees as right and only dictators do what he is doing to this country!


'lambs to the slaughter'

'nuf said!!
Short attention span?

Dont pay attention to those posts
They are obviously from people slithering over here from the con board as no democrat/liberal is going to bad mouth this way, not after what we have been through for 7 long years.  This is just observer and the others posting under different handles.  I have seen this before on this board.  Just wish they would go back and let us discuss the exciting wonderful times to come with a democrat in the WH..YIPPEE!!
again...as usual...paid no attention...
The taking one more shot post appeared LONG before your cease fire....you just had not seen it yet. But it would not have mattered. I didn't read this latest diatribe...too tired and really don't give a darn. And I will give you a clue dear, one of those 4-letter words...I did not say the GOP then does not resemble the GOP now....in fact I agree whole-heartedly. The GOP has turned into Democrat lite. Which is why I don't belong to the grand old party anymore. Only register as Repub in primary years because if I didn't, I couldn't vote, and I want to have a say, no matter how small. You should really ask questions before you jump off the deep end...but you don't care, because you are always right, aren't you? Speaking from that high horse of moral authority. You must have the word "bigot" in your shortcuts, you sure invoke it enough. LOL. Really too bad that just you typing it here doesn't make it true....or maybe it is, the gospel according to Globetrotter....LOL geezzz.