sighhh...you just can't avoid the low road can you?
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-23
In Reply to: lets just wait and see how it - again
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Sighhh....
For someone who doesn't trust either one of them, your bias leans heavily left.
Yes, I have heard both of them speak. I watched all of the Dem debates; apparently you didn't. I watched all the Repub debates...apparently you didn't. I have seen lots of snippets where a reporter threw questions at Obama he wasn't expecting and if you want deer in the headlights you should have been watching then. It only stands to reason that someone with McCain's years in the military, his war time experience, his service on the armed forces subcommittee, his ability to deal with Republicans, Democrats and Independents, has the most foreign policy experience and on and on and on...does not take a rocket scientist to see who is better qualified for the job. Does the person most qualified for the job always get it...no.
Obama and his wife both have racist tendencies. Read up on them, not starting yesterday. They went to a church for 20 years under a theology that is racist, as pointed out by the poster below. He is trying to distance himself from it now...and it is working, because there are those who are going to believe whatever he says, no matter what he says or how many times in a 24-hour period he changes what he says. I guess you may be one of those folks...just an observation, not meant as a slam.
As to Rev. Hague and John McCain...you are grasping at straws there. Not anywhere NEAR the same thing. McCain has not been a close personal friend of Hague for 20 years, has not attended his church for 20 years, has not referred to him as his mentor...see the difference? It is a huge one.
As to McCain being one step away from Alzheimer's...you think you are really capable of judging that?
You might want to check out your references too...Fox, CNN, Limbaugh, and other McCain supporters you said. I can tell you right up front...CNN would be apoplectic to be placed between Fox and Limbaugh. ROFL. Geez. CNN is about as far from conservative as Obama is from McCain. lol.
Yes, they were both in the senate. Obama is one of, if not THE MOST, liberal senator on the hill, by his voting record, and his voting record is what you should be looking at instead of listening to "hope" and "change" with nary a mention of what does he hope for and what kind of change does he intend to make. Anything I have seen so far, and in looking on his website, is going to raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, and I don't care WHAT he says about taxing the rich and helping the "middle class," when have the Democrats EVER passed tax law that impacted only the rich? Let me see....gosh, I think that was on the 5th of never. He already wants higher payroll taxes. He said so. Don't think that is going to affect the rich nearabout as much as it is going to affect you and me, Kaydie.
Have a nice day.
So to avoid the bad things...
better to 1.2 million babies a year. If you are okay with that, that's fine. You are entitled to, by activist judges, kill all the babies you want.
There are many more successful adoption stories than unsuccessful.
One person's experience does not mean that every person's experience will be so.
What's next? We are already aborting Down's babies. What next? Oops...that one is minus a finger. Kill it. Oops, that one is minus an arm...kill it. Oops, that one MIGHT, just MIGHT, be developmentally disabled. Kill it.
That line of thought disturbs me, and yes, I will speak out against it. It is my right. Why is it that only the pro choicers have rights? That sounds more like Nazi Germany than America. You guys act like you are the only ones who have a right to an opinion and express it. What's up with that??
sorry - I avoid the nutball
web sites and stick to the fact-checked organizations. Nice try though.
You avoid the nutball sites? LOL. nm
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avoid political discussions . . .
with people who get angry if you question their beliefs or have no respect for your beliefs. My mother is a staunch conservative who will go on and on about how stupid liberals are and how she hates them. Well guess what, I am a liberal. But she is so involved in her own view, she has never even noticed I am a liberal because I don't talk about it with her and either walk away or change the subject. Can't stand the venom that comes from her mouth when she rants about people with different beliefs than her. Started her tirade at my daughter's high school graduation dinner, and I had to tell her it was inappropriate. She didn't understand where I was coming from and got all offended. She is nuts anyway and has no clue about other people's feelings.
Can we avoid lumping everyone into one bunch?
I'm a liberal and I have to say, I really resent it when people say the libs this or the dem's that and refer to all of us in one great big bunch that worships Obama and thinks he's the messiah. It really bugs the crap out of me. He's a man. He's not my Savior.
I have seen condescension and name calling from BOTH sides of the fence, none of which is appropriate coming from anyone who calls themself an adult. I do find it interesting that it seems to be much more accepted in this election cycle than in years before. I don't know if it's because of the proliferation of message boards and the complete lack of humanity that tends to go with posting on them, or if it's this particular year and set of candidates/winners.
Let's give the man a chance. Yes, he's a man. I believe he is a very smart man and I have high hopes for him. Let's avoid name calling, liberal bashing, conservative hate, etc. That just does everyone a disservice.
Why should I comment on France - or avoid doing so?
We're not France. It's not like you can take a system from one culture and parachute it into another culture. This isn't Leggos, or buying off-the-rack clothes.
There are many, many factors to take into account when a society fashions something like government-paid healthcare because it will impact, and be impacted by, that society in many ways. We don't have the same culture that France has, we don't have the same tax rates, we have a different healthcare delivery system in place, and on it goes.
No, I won't be commenting about France, except to say that I watched an extensive documentary about government health systems around the world and neither England, Canada, France or Sweden were rated very highly in terms of efficiency or patient satisfaction. Japan's system was considered the best on most metrics, so if anything I would comment on that system - which I won't do either for the reasons mentioned above.
Personal e-mail was used to avoid subpoena!
While Ms. Palin took office promising a more open government, her administration has battled to keep information secret. Her inner circle discussed the benefit of using private e-mail addresses. An assistant told her it appeared that such e-mail messages sent to a private address on a personal device like a BlackBerry would be confidential and not subject to subpoena.
Well, Mcsame saw this crash coming and tried to avoid it...
unlike some others. That is one of the reasons I trust him.
I have found all liberals this way. Avoid Ayers,
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topics to avoid during polite conversation.
We do have separation of church and state.
We have been down this road before (sm).
Here is a list of enactments passed under the 110th Congress. Precisely which of these do you hold responsible for breaking the bank?
1. February 2, 2007 House Page Board Revision Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-2, 121 Stat. 4
2. May 25, 2007 U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007, Pub.L. 110-28, 121 Stat. 112, including Title VIII: Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007, 121 Stat. 188
3. June 14, 2007 Preserving United States Attorney Independence Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-34, 121 Stat. 224
4. July 26, 2007 Foreign Investment and National Security Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-49, 121 Stat. 246
6. August 3, 2007 Implementing Recommendations of the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-53, 121 Stat. 266
7. August 5, 2007 Protect America Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-55,121 Stat. 552
8. September 14, 2007 Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, Pub.L. 110-81, 121 Stat. 735
9. November 8, 2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-114, 121 Stat. 1041 - Veto Overridden
10. December 19, 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-140, 121 Stat. 1492
11. February 13, 2008 Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, Pub.L. 110-185, 122 Stat. 613
12. May 21, 2008 Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, Pub.L. 110-233, 122 Stat. 881
13. May 22, 2008 Food and Energy Security Act of 2007 (2007 Farm Bill), Pub.L. 110-234, 122 Stat. 923
14. June 30, 2008 Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2008, Pub.L. 110-252, 122 Stat. 2323, including Title V: Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act of 2008 ("G.I. Bill 2008")
15. July 10, 2008 FISA Amendments Act of 2008, Pub.L. 110-261, 122 Stat. 2436
16. July 29, 2008 Tom Lantos Block Burmese JADE (Junta's Anti-Democratic Efforts) Act of 2008, Pub.L. 110-286 122 Stat. 2632
17. July 30, 2008 Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, Pub.L. 110-289, 122 Stat. 2654
18. October 3, 2008 Public Law 110-343 (Pub.L. 110-343), including:
a. Div. A: Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, H.R. 1424;
b. Div. B: Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008; and
c. Div. C: Tax Extenders and Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2008
We are already too far down the road...sm
Nothing will save us from a depression now. The only question is who can turn us around. Not who can turn us around the quickest, just who can turn us around period! A very heavy burden. It will take an extradinary person to get us out of this awful mess.
Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
Duncan Campbell
Tuesday March 28, 2006
Guardian Hundreds of deserters from the US armed forces have crossed into Canada and are now seeking political refugee status there, arguing that violations of the rules of war in Iraq by the US entitle them to asylum.
A decision on a test case involving two US servicemen is due shortly and is being watched with interest by fellow servicemen on both sides of the border. At least 20 others have already applied for asylum and there are an estimated 400 in Canada out of more than 9,000 who have deserted since the conflict started in 2003.
Ryan Johnson, 22, from near Fresno in California, was due to be deployed with his unit to Iraq in January last year but crossed the Canadian border in June and is seeking asylum. I had spoken to many soldiers who had been in Iraq and who told me about innocent civilians being killed and about bombing civilian neighbourhoods, he told the Guardian.
It's been really great since I've been here. Generally, people have been really hospitable and understanding, although there have been a few who have been for the war. He is now unable to return to the US. I don't have a problem with that. I'm in Canada and that's that.
Mr Johnson said it was unclear exactly how many US soldiers were in Canada but he thought 400 was a realistic figure. He had been on speaking tours across the country as part of a war resisters' movement and had come across other servicemen living underground.
Jeffry House, a Toronto lawyer who represents many of the men, said that an increasing number were seeking asylum. There are a fair number without status and a fair number on student visas, he said, and under UN guidelines on refugee status they were entitled to seek asylum.
The first test cases involve Jeremy Hinzman, 26, who deserted from the 82 Airborne Division and Brandon Hughey from the 1st Cavalry Division. A decision on their applications is due within the next few weeks. If they are turned down the case will be taken to the federal appeal court and the Canadian supreme court, according to Mr House, a process that would last into next year at least.
All deserters, past and present, are placed on an FBI wanted list. Earlier this month, Allen Abney, 56, who deserted from the US marines 38 years ago during the Vietnam war, was arrested as he crossed into the US, a journey he had taken many times before without problem. He was held in a military jail in California for a few days, then discharged.
They have resuscitated long-dormant warrants, said Mr House. I know 15 people personally who have crossed 10 or more times without problems and then all of a sudden they are arresting people. It seems like it would be connected to Iraq.
Lee Zaslofsky, 61, the coordinator of the War Resisters' Support Campaign in Toronto, said that he was impressed by the young men who were seeking asylum. Some have been to Iraq and others have heard what goes on there, he said. Mainly, what they discuss is being asked to do things they consider repugnant. Most are quite patriotic ... Many say they feel tricked by the military.
During the Vietnam war between 50,000 and 60,000 Americans crossed the border to avoid serving.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1740986,00.html
i wouldn't go down that road
When you start knocking down spouses, but especially children, of politicians that's pretty low. Not all families "look similar". My BIL was not his father's son, but he claims he looks the most like his father. There is a definite non-resemblance there but he doesn't see it.
As for Chelsea? Oh please, I've heard her speak and she is too infatuated with her mother and how great she thinks her mother is she doesn't understnad the issues, and she doesn't sound all too intelligent. Makes me wonder where that education money went her parents spent on her education.
I think McCain's daughter is a pretty and doesn't look "challenged" as you call it, but to start commenting on who you think is pretty or not pretty or whose hair color is nice or not nice. I woun't go down that road, cos we could really get into Hillary's hair color and others.
notes from the low road...
hi folks, Joe and I are going to keep on campaigning (fiddling while Rome burns) and they will call us if they need us....hey! Wonder why they aren't calling???
Nah, just a big bump in the road. sm
There was another big recession in 1991. Bill Clinton cleaned it up during his presidency, and we ended up with a budget surplus.
We need responsible government again to get us back on top. It will happen, but it will take a while.
You really want to go down the lobbyist road?
can you say glass house?
Since you chose to go down this road...
...with me. This is cut and pasted from the web site. While this does not specifically name soft drinks, anything that rings up as taxable on the register is ineligible. In Ohio, only foods for home consumption are nontaxable; restaurant food is taxable; soft drinks are taxable; paper products, soap, etc.
Okay, NOW you're excused! And still not credible. But thanks for playing!
Households CAN use benefits to buy:
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In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept benefits from qualified homeless, elderly, or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.
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Better the high horse than the low road....nm
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Just wait and see what happens a few years down the road. (nm)
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Road runs both ways......... sm
Time will tell.
Obama is middle of the road?
That road must by at the Indianapolis 500, because it only seems to TURN TO THE LEFT.
I have no problem with US drilling its own oil, BUT 10-15 years down the road
or even 20 years, will we be in the same situation we are in today. The oil resources we have will not last forever at the rate we are using today, and I expect we will continue to increase the amount of oil needed to maintain the country.
So, yeah go ahead and start the US drilling, but once that is bankrupt we will still be in the same place unless other alternatives like hybrid cars, etc, are seriously used as an alternative.
Memo to Hillary: Road Trip!
Memo to Hillary: Road trip to that place between King City and Coalingo
Dear Hillary:
I know you've been real busy with sniper fire and 3:00 a.m. phone calls, etc., but have you ever seen that commercial for AT&T internet service, where the guy says he's on the road between "King City and Coalingo" (sp?) (There are several commercials out there for this product, and the theme for them is people's "moments.")
In the one I'm referring to, there's a guy is standing near a big field with a bunch of cows, explaining how his service lets him do business anywhere, and after he's through explaining how it works and how his bid was the first one in, he gets a text message and says, "It looks like I got the account."
An old man appears and says, "Congratulations on your moment."
Hillary, PLEASE drive yourself have your chauffeur drive you (with or without your cell phone) to that field "between King City and Coalingo" and take a L-O-N-G walk through that field. (Be sure to fill up have one of your servants fill your gas tank first.) Pet a cow or two. Resist the urge to whip out that gun yer granddaddy taught you how to shoot if you become hungry for a filet mignon; maybe you could make a have your maid make a PBJ before your departure (you know, the kind of food that more and more of us hard-working white people are forced to rely on in today's economy). Along the way, don't be afraid to step into the very thing that comprises your soul. Take a deep breath (lots of them). Try to place yourself into Barack Obama's shoes (sans cow dung) and explore WHY it is that YOU believe you must control everything -- even when you're the loser. Why is it that YOU think YOU get to dictate the terms of everything, even if you don't have the right to do so?
You have repeatedly said you're "in it to win it." You didn't win it. Now pretend to have some grace and/or just some personal decency and do NOT try to strong-arm the person who DID win it. There are a lot of women who would be good Vice Presidential candidates, all of whom believe in and would be loyal to President Obama, none of them potential orphan-makers.
Take a good, long look at those cows, Hillary. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two about "moments." Hopefully, you'll even learn a thing or two about yourself.
Edited by Moderator for aggressive and strange language.
The dems are taking the high road?
What little bubble do you live in and what are you smoking? The dems have had dirty ads just as much as the pubs have. The ad showing McCain's face and scares and talking about his health.....WAY uncalled for. The only reason the dems haven't fully attacked Palin and that church was because they want to keep conservative Bible thumpers in their favor. If they attack Palin for that, they lose the Bible thumpers. They aren't taking the high road....they are just trying to keep voters who they normally wouldn't get.
Heroe..like - He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road.
Bushisms
I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas, had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative eroding the important bridge between church and state.
I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children.
See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
The law I sign today directs new funds and new focus to the task of collecting vital intelligence on terrorist threats and on weapons of mass production.
http://www.wisdomquotes.com/cat_bushisms.html
not avoid their rehab, afford their rehab....sheesh lol
I will correct myself before someone else does...lol
Any of you live in the midwest? Just in case you live down the road from me...
I live in Wisconsin and am often also in Minnesota.
No, I'm not a stalker or a weirdo (my opinion, anyway).
Would expect Obama to take high road. To expect this
One of many issues of valid concern is the fact that Palin would accept this nomination knowing full well (or maybe not) that when the broadcast media get done with this, Bristol's entire life for at least the next 5 years or so, will be red meat for publications like the Enquirer. Judgement. Priorities? The cat's out of the bag now, and I say that with no joy whatsover. In fact, across party lines, left or right, anybody with red blood coursing through beating hearts would stop and for one single moment experience the pain that poor girl must be feeling. Despite this, her mother has put her in the position to put a smiley face on no matter what, or go under the witness protection program, change her name and leave the country. Fair game? Of course not. National spotlight. You bet, and there is no turning back now.
Follow the yellow brick road....follow....
the yellow brick road. The great and powerful O will take care care of you. Watch out for those flying monkeys he is surrounding himself with tho....LOL. You folks kill me. This is ALL on you. You gave him the power. Remember that....
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