so i'm not doubting there is coal in PA
Posted By: i know darn well there is on 2008-11-09
In Reply to: and I've seen the smoldering in Centralia - nm
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Got it. Thanks. BTW, coal is the
only industry left in my county. NAFTA destroyed the garment and shoe industry here. Unless we work at home, we must travel 30-50 miles for a decent job.
Better yet, to all those in coal country or who have
anyone who works in the field, look for the link for the radio interview saying he would bankrupt the coal industry. Hmm, PA, VA, WV, etc, hope you are prepared for long unemployment lines. Just type in obama bankrupt coal, there are many links to the interview.
"Clean coal (sic)" is a lie
I can tell from your hysteria that you know nothing about peak oil.
http://globalhealthreport.blogspot.com/2008/09/al-gore-clean-coal-is-lie.html
the coal country in PA?
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Coal Technology
Found this very interesting site on coal technology. It explains a lot about clean oil technology and what's being done. On the right side of the screen is a map of the U.S. If you click on that, then choose a dot on the map, it tells you what research is being done now.
Read some of the articles. Surf the site.
http://www.americaspower.org/News/
The coal fields are already bankrupt
There aren't many going today thanks to the Miner's Safety Board. Small mines are being shut down every day because the MSB thinks anthracite coal is the same as bituminous coal, but they are 2 different mining techniques.Yet, anthracite miners have to follow the regulations of bituminous mining.
Am I getting senile? Did I mention coal? LOL
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Bankrupting the coal industry
I opened my post, and the text was there. I saw an empty box with the "dead x," so that may have been what didn't go through.
Were you unable to read the text, too? Try going to OneNewsNow.com (Fred Jackson) - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM, and you should be able to open it. That should be the easiest.
When my grandparents came over from Italy via Ellis Island (& legally, too!), they settled in Monongahela, PA. My grandfather worked in the coal mine, & they managed to raise 9 kids, all who went on to get doctorates, DDS, etc. So it can be done (sorry for the memory lane)!
LMK if you can open it, etc. Setting family aside, I respect the hard, dangerous work these coal miners do. The Global Warming (now named Climate Change) goofs are behind this, too. It's a joke--on us.
More food for thought on coal
I just watched the video where he stated he was going to put such high caps and make the coal industries pay mucho dollars and hopefully bankrupt the coal industry. BUT, he also stated he would use dollars they must pay if they want to use coal, for clean energy policies like wind power, etc.
So, that said, how does he intend to pay for all his other energy technology if he bankrupts the coal industry and businesses that use coal? After all, if he bankrupts the businesses that use coal which, by the way, is most electric power plants, whose pocket will he be dipping into for the money for his clean energy policies???
Talking out of both sides of his mouth again.
I see part of the problem-COAL way down
Since O made the statement about the coal industry, coal, steel, and iron have all dropped.
One coal mine survivor...see article
TALLMANSVILLE, W.Va. - In a stunning and heartbreaking announcement, mining officials told family members early Wednesday that 11 of the 12 trapped coal miners initially thought to have survived a mine explosion had died.
The devastating news came more than three hours after relatives gathered at a nearby church had heard that 12 of the miners survived the disaster. Rescue crews found the first victim earlier Tuesday evening.
“It’s sorrow beyond belief,” Ben Hatfield, chief executive officer of mine owner International Coal Group, said during a news conference.
Gov. Joe Manchin said that, “about the confusion, I can’t tell you of anything more heart-wrenching than I’ve ever gone through in my life. Nothing.”
“I can feel the outrage,” he later told NBC’s “Today” show, referring to the anger from the victims’ families.
Manchin said the state would investigate the cause of the explosion, the miscommunication and the mine’s numerous safety and health violations last year. “We’re going to look into this,” Manchin vowed.
John Bennett, whose father Jim Bennett was one of the victims and had been due to retire in April, complained that his father would “tell me how unsafe the mine is.”
Problems at the mine had been “going on for months ... and they still send men in,” Bennett told “Today,” adding that he felt that if the mine owner had allowed workers to unionize the violations wouldn’t have happened.
Information on the coal/power issue...sm
I got this information from someone who is a broker for electricity in our area. She knows how much power is received from various resources and what those resources are and how dependent we are on them as a nation.
Here is my question to her.....
"How much of our electric power is dependent on coal, and how would a cap and trade policy imposing high penalties on coal plants impact the cost of the electric power for the consumer?"
Her answer was.....
"Our portfolio is about 55% coal. The last legislation that was proposed would raise the cost of power by about 20-30%. Which calculates into about a 10-15% increase in the price of our power. Last month Deep East charged .098057 per kilowatt hour. It could go to 11 or 12 cents power kilowatt. If that happens my bill would go from $120 to $138. Of course, that fluctuates depending on the amount of hydro power we get out of three dams and how high natural gas prices are."
I then asked her the following:
"No, this is great, actually. Thanks for the info. I'm trying to understand how Obama's plan, if he goes into office and gets his legislation passed, to place a cap and trade on the coal industry. He had promised that it would bankrupt the coal industry and skyrocket the consumer's electric bill as the power companies would have no choice but pass the cost on to the customers. My next question is, though, if he does this and does manage to bankrupt the coal industry, driving it out of existence, will there be enough alternative resources to support the nation's power requirements or will we all be sitting in the dark?"
Her answer..........
"Should he be able to do this the country would go dark. Our nation relies on about 50-60% coal fired generation for its electricity. Everyone is scrambling NOW to build new generation to cover expected load growth. It takes about 3-4 years to plan, get government approvals and build a power plant. With our nation already being short on power supply this could really put a major kink in things."
Better stock up on batteries NOW!!!!
Baloney, I live in coal country and I should know
Maybe you should look up some statistics from real sources.
Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs/his words
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Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs
Fred Jackson - OneNewsNow.com - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM
The nation's coal industry is in shock today with word that Barack Obama plans to put such severe penalties on coal-fired power plants that it will bankrupt them. A coalition of business leaders says such a move would jeopardize the jobs of hundreds of thousands of people who work in the coal industry.
Senator Obama's plan for putting severe financial penalties on coal-fired power plants has been made public on a YouTube video which contains audio of comments he made in San Francisco in January 2008.
"What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there," the Democratic presidential candidate said. "I was the first to call for a hundred-percent auction on the cap-and-trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.
"So if somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can," Obama concluded. "It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greeenhouse gas that's being emitted."
A press release from the Western Business Roundtable is calling on politicians of all stripes to denounce such a plan, and encouraging voters to hold those politicans accountable for whether they support the coal industry.
Below is the actual audio - click to listen.
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