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Posted By: Backwards typist on 2008-11-10
In Reply to: and I've seen the smoldering in Centralia - nm

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This all started because you said
*founded on Christian principles*....now I see you've moderated it to *God* Yes, they were *Deists* not Christians as you said in your first post...big difference....not that you will even admit there is a difference.


First of all, GP started this particular

thread, so she is not responding to anybody's attacks in this case.  Second, I think it is very mean to attack someone's religious beliefs.  Third, GP indicated that George Bush said that God told him to be president.  If I remember correctly, George Bush said that God told him to RUN for president.  So he did.  SP did not say that God doing the right thing would put McCain in the White House, nor did she imply it.  She said that she has faith that God will do the right thing and that his will for the country will be done.  Imagine, two Christian practicing their faith and treating God as if he actually exists.


Guess what?  God told me to call my sister last weekend.  Am I delusional too?  Or is it only delusional to think God speaks and leads if you are national figure?  


That is not how it started...
This has been going on for quite a while on the Politics forum. The rabid right-wing Christians have been forcing their beliefs on all of us for months and months and months. They have quoted scripture and told us that anyone who does not believe as they do is destined to burn in eternal fire. They have no respect for people of other religions. I was born into a Jewish family, and I have never felt animosity towards any Christian until recently. These posters have forever changed my opinion of Christianity and not for the better!
Don't get that started here......... sm
That is rude and totally uncalled for.
Looks like you started it
When you tried to accuse W of having a double digit and O of triple.

The fact of the matter is you don't know what GW's score is or O's for that matter. I've been on several sites pro and con for both sides. I've read that people were trying to pass a lie that GWs was 99 (looks like you want to believe the lie too). However there are many sites that say he scored around 129. They also said that some people want to believe O's is higher, but according to his SAT/LSAT is ranges in the 115-120. However, it also says that he won't release his SAT score. Imagine that....Obama not releasing information? Say it ain't so Joe.

The fact is before you start accusing someone of a low or high IQ score maybe you should research a little more. We get it, by your posts you don't like GW. Don't know many who do (including myself), but I don't lie to make one look bad.
Don't even get me started.
Double standards, contradicting, arrogance, etc. How much money does that jet cost for promotional tours? I thought stimulus passed.
You don't even know who I am, I only started coming here.
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No, it started with a real
when they couldn't find anything, they dug up the sex scandal. Clinton was investigated for 7 years; can you name a high-level Clinton administartion official indicted? I know Clinton can't practice law; he was also impeached...what's your point?


So if WWWIII is to be started to
we're just supposed to sit down and shut up? Excuse me, but I was raised Catholic and I do not support this at ALL. Bush does NOT have a direct line to God Almighty.
No, not at all...it started on the far left rag...
the dailykos. That is where it broke. And then the rest of the far left picked it up and ran with it.

I was the first to congratulate Obama on his renouncing of the behavior. But even with him saying that, his supporters continue the salvos at Palin's family. Big time Dem pundits on TV still taking shots at her. Blogs still taking shots at her. Posters on this board still taking shots at her. Now you take people who are not committed yet, they see this happening, and you are left with only two conclusions...either Barack was very serious and meant what he said (which I believe) and his followers and pundits and the media are still going to attack regardless; or that he just made that statement to take the political high road while all the time in the background he is saying "sic her." It has to be one of the two...but either way, if his supporters and big Dem pundits continue the attack it reflects badly on his candidacy. I realize that he cannot control what people do...but one would think they would heed what he says (they claim to believe everything he says) and just lay off...but, to each his own.
Let's just get some more rumors started.
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you are wishing him out before he has even started?
I understand being cautious, but can't you give the guy a chance? I gave Bush a chance even though I didn't vote for him. I'm not happy with how it turned out, but I wasn't wishing him out of office before he even started.
If your son joined after the war started...
I would be interested to know what HE thinks. There is no draft. No need to send your son to die. Again, you and I disagree on whether or not we should be there. I think that it is silly to think that Hussein was not a threat, or at the very least, a future serious threat. I think our biggest mistake was not taking him out and getting this all done the first time.
Judy started it.......
then I just got sucked in. It was like watching the toilet overflow. What can you do?
I know the Californias started
For awhile, I thought I was in California with all the license plates and Hawaiian shirts everywhere.  Got tired of all the traffic too.
they became Medquist! I started sm
wit the Detroit office of TL in 1981 and worked for the company until February of 2006. Like you I made big bucks but after the change to the name Medquist and subsequent yearly changes like everyone else I left. At one time I workekd directly for John Donoho out of the Feasterville office and couldn't have been happier. My whole career with them was spent working at home but hiring MTs and supervising in the area that I live in. I miss the way it use to be. I was 50 years old when I left them and I truly remember a time when they valued their employees, gave bonuses, raises and great Christmas gifts. Its too bad MTs starting out now don't have that type of experience. Yes you could write your own ticket even with TL. They would gladly give out a good raise to a person who had great quality and production and was loyal to the company. Very sad to see what they hve done.
Wrong. It may have started that way...
But once again has degenerated to immature name calling and personal attacks.
5 years old? well when do you think the war started?
who hid a fact there were no WMDs? and there WERE you just dont find the mass media reporting on them. ill find that link to if you would like me to if you want to deny there were ever any weapons found, and let me remind you how long did they have before we invaded to move the weapons?

No iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that was not why we went in now is it? was that said? We are attacking Iraq because they attacked us? NO, because they WOULD HAVE ATTACKED US as soon as they could.

as most everyone in that link agreed...
5 years old? well when do you think the war started?
who hid a fact there were no WMDs? and there WERE you just dont find the mass media reporting on them. ill find that link to if you would like me to if you want to deny there were ever any weapons found, and let me remind you how long did they have before we invaded to move the weapons?

No iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that was not why we went in now is it? was that said? We are attacking Iraq because they attacked us? NO, because they WOULD HAVE ATTACKED US as soon as they could.

as most everyone in that link agreed...
Just remember that you started this one...LOL..(sm)

First of all, I am a firm believer in evolution.  From what we know from archeologists, man started in small groups and gradually formed larger and larger groups, forming communities.  We do know that they worked collectively for the benefit of the community, some hunting, some preparing meals, etc.  So, I think there is a large element in society that says we choose what is "right" for the sake of the good/success/survival of the community. 


I know that most will say the Bible, and I think the Bible did play a role, but not the only role.  This is evidenced by the fact that all cultures have gone through this evolution of determining what is right and wrong.  Consider the tribe in the middle of nowhere (and yeah there are still a few) that has had no contact with ANY religion.  Scientists have studied cases like this before and have found that even they have a set of "rules" that they go by, and these rules were based on what would or would not benefit their community. 


I think the most important thing though is that the rules of right and wrong are constantly changing as we evolve.  If you asked your standard white christian lady in the 1800s if it was okay to beat the slave out back, the answer would have most likely been yes.  Ask the same question today of anyone and the answer should be no. 


So, I think evolution and probably instinct for self preservation are the key factors.


This probably all started with a 7-yo misunderstanding his teacher.nm

The flames have begun. They were started by you.

All you've done since you've come here is flame and insult.  If you'd treat people with some respect and dignity, you'd be surprised at how quickly it would come back at you.  Instead, you're treated the way you treat others.  How does it feel?


I cited examples of true things that happened.  Unlike you, I didn't bash or negatively judge one single poster on this board. 


Yes, I call them CONS, as in NEOCONS.  I don't know how anyone who believes they are a Republican can worship someone as they do Bush who is the complete antithesis of anything REPUBLICAN.


Since you continue to show your contempt for the monitor and the monitor's rules, how about you leave me alone on this board, and I'll return the favor?


Nah, you aren't capable of doing that, are you?  Well, keep flaming away.  I'll take the higher road which you've never traveled and ignore you.


One more thing:  Every single thing I posted is the truth.  Your claim that it's hysteria without any facts to back it up merely proves the negative value you contribute to this board.


If you're referring to my health situation as hysteria, then until you've walked in my shoes and know what I've been through in the last month healthwise, you have no basis or right to claim that anything I said is hysteria.  Having no compassion for someone who's very ill is clearly a CON point of view, so dressing yourself up in a costume representing another political party isn't fooling anyone.  You may be a little higher up on the food chain than I am, maybe insulated with a husband who provides you with health insurance and additional income, but America has become a hungry shark where only the strongest survive, the weakest are disposable, and the same thing could happen to you. 


Maybe not but our future could have started 5-1/2 years ago.

Bush's policies in all areas are making it look pretty bleak.


You started the condescending, Teddy...
read your post again. It was very condescending. You talked down to me, and I thought it might be fun to respond from down there where you put me. You talked down to me and you were rude. You know it and I know it. I was just giving it back to you. Now that we are past the kid stuff, could you please answer my question, and enlighten me as to what the *big picture* was that I missed and leave the condescending attitude out of it. As to being a dumb condescending Polack...your words, and not mine...it is so hilarious to me the parallels. My guy is of Polack/German ancestry and he is standing behind me as I type, and we are enjoying a good laugh, so thank you from this Choctaw/Cherokee/Irish gal and her dumb Polack guy. LOL. We are looking forward to the *big picture* point, though.
Not to get a fight started...just an observation...
that little twinge is probably be the Holy Spirit and you would be well served to maybe listen to it....? Or perhaps you think not listening to the twinge in favor of listening to John Edwards is the better path.

God bless!
WHy don't we check and see which administration started...
borrowing money from China. The Clinton administration took huge amounts of money from Chinese...remember the scandal? Ahem.
I did NOT imply that his camp started it....
in fact, I said the dailykos started it, and unless his camp blogs there and I don't know it, that is exactly what I meant. What I said is that when he asks his supporters not to continue and they persist, it reflects negatively on his candidacy in some people's minds...and that is all I said. I also said that I believe him and that he was sincere...and that his supporters are ignoring him. However, I have heard others suggest that he is saying that publically but behind the scenes his camp is fanning it. I did not say it, and I do not personally think it, and would not unless it was proven. All I am saying is that some perceive it that way.
Thanks for the links. I started reading through them. sm
I started with the first link and only got partially through Palin's. Hope to go back later to finish it and read the other candidates too.

One of the things I read it said where her husband worked for BP. They had said that he would quit if she were elected gov. but after she was they backed out of that and stated that since he was not management it wouldn't matter or wouldn't be a conflict. But wouldn't it be? He works for an oil company, she is for the drilling of oil, etc. To me that is still a big conflict.

Also, why is one thing saying he quit and another thing saying he still works there part-time. This link from above was a direct quote from them I believe.

Anyway, again, thanks for the links. Hope to read up some more tonight.
LOL!. That is where the problem started. Mexicans
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All you have to do is look at the figures and when they started declining....
and 20 months is about right. This democratically controlled congress sat on their hands even when Greenspan was telling them they needed to tighten up on Freddie and fannie. Instead they made their hold on the housing market even bigger.
They failed to act to do anything about rising cost of fuel, went on freaking vacation rather than vote on energy bill. Not only do we need to vote in McCain/Palin, we need to clean up that viper pit that is Congress and finally start acting like adults and work together to clean up that viper pit. Only one candidate is talking about that, and it isn't yours.
Now that you mention it....here are links to get you started.
Ignore it if you like...but you know, the duck thing...if it quacks like a duck.

All of these things can be independently verified. The policies that he is proposing are socialism 101...redistribution of wealth. The "people" of Cuba has not done so well after the Castro/Che Guevara revolution, now have they?

http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2008/05/04/1466498-obamas-marxist-revolution-must-be-rejected-

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/what_barack_obama_learned_from.html

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/31/america/France-Socialists-Obama.php

http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/michelle_obama_4.php

http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75101


I wouldn't even get started in that direction
Don't even get into donning church talk or we can bring up a whole lot of information about Obama and his ties to the Muslim church and then Rev. Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, Larry Sinclair, and the multitude of other liasions and then right before him getting into politics he just happens to swtich. If you open up a can of worms be prepared to have the mud slung back at ya.
The "revolution" started as socialism....
and as socialism generally does, rolls into communism and dictatorship. Che Guevara introduced communism to Castro. Che Guevara...far left Marxist. The one whose pic is in an Obama campaign office. Obama studied and taught Alinsky method of organizing...Alinsky = communist. See a common socialist/communist thread here?

Who is the REAL Barack Obama? Does anyone really know?
He quit after he started his campaign
has fallen off the wagon several times during the campaign, just FYI.
That is when this started, back during the primaries

The first lawsuit that is still ongoing was filed by a lifelong democrat attorney in Pennsylvania.


But yes, I agree with you on that last point. 


Not so fast Mrs. M.....Democrats started
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Unfortunately changed started 8 years ago. n/m
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my job has already been affected since this stuff started -
I am already down about $1500 a month in the last 3 months. I know what is going to happen - but I don't think I should have to keep helping bail other people out!

Is anybody helping bail me out because I cannot pay my mortgage this month? No - because I was responsible... is anybody helping me out because I can't put gas in my car this week? No, they are not. Is anybody helping me out with the power bill, the water bill - are they going to pay my cable so that it is not turned off this week? No they are not.

It is time to stop bailing these companies out and let them figure out how to straighten their messes out on their own.

We are just giving these companies more money for more of the same and I for one am tired of doing it.
Actually, Bush Senior started the
tradition of pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey in 1989.  His son has continued the tradition.
I started with TL too, back in 1974. I was one of ...sm
the first employees sent home with my IBM Selectric and tapes. You have to admit that the job was much harder back then before computers, Expanders and the internet. If you made a good living at it you were GOOD. Now with all the improvements in technology, very few seem to earn a good living anymore.
Get a clue! Clinton started a lot of it.
I saw it coming, the housing bubble in 2005. Some big wig California investor bought my house 150,000 more than what it is worth now today and bought other homes because he "had to get into the big buying bubble." Well, the bubble exploded and now he is out 150,000 on my house and way more because of the other 6 homes he bought too with no money down and interest only mortgages. That was the fault of the treasury department and banks. NOT BUSH. I on the other hand saw it coming and walked away with 300,000 in my pocket because of greedy people. Was I greedy? No, we had to move out of state during the housing bubble in 2005. Did Bush help me? No Did Obama help me? No. Did the government help me? No. God, the higher authority one helped my family and knew when the right time was for us to move and I sold my home in "4 hours." Some one higher is watching over me and my family and surely not anyone who is in the government.
I started reading this in the pdf mode

was keeping the same old/same old and substituting 2009 for 2008.  As an aside, I have to wonder how much money businesses (small and large) would save if they completely stopped offering health insurance to employees.  Health insurance should be its own entity and not associated with the "benefits" an employee would receive.  And how much more money would be saved if we did away with the for-profit greedy insurance companies altogether?  IMHO, healthcare needs to be its own entity and not associated with employers or health insurance companies.


our country was started by a revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMbBuEoEYnk
Clinton started rendition!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!

Not Bush!!!.........CLINTON!!!  Guess it was okay when the dems thought of it but when Bush became president and kept something going that Clinton started.....oh those big bad republicans and how horrible they are!! 


Agree. I don't know why the poster started
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Most wars in our history have been started by Democrats. sm
Thus, your hypothesis is an empty one.
My friend...CONGRESS started a war but did not declare war...
NOT Bush alone. It was called the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. It passed Congress, both houses, Democrats voted for it too. Let's spread the blame equally.

We will never agree on pulling the troops out, all of them, immediately. Because no matter how we got there, we are there...and if we turn tail and run, it will be the biggest terrorist moral booster/motivator/recruiting tool you can possibly imagine, the results of which I do not think ANY of us want to see. The surge is working....American deaths are down, civilian deaths are down, and the number of suicide bombers per month has been cut in half. We are finally making good progress. Hopefully we WILL be able to get out very soon, and start bringing our troops home. I know you don't agree...and I am not starting a fight, just stating a differing opinion.

I actually like a lot of what Ron Paul has to say...and actually disagree with very little. But the things I disagree with him on are pretty strong. I have not yet decided for whom I will vote...I will wait and see who gets the nominations and go from there...although a Democrat is out for me anyway because of their abortion stands and their need to tax us into oblivion.

Have a good day!
Hey...this whole thing started when YOU interrupted a conversation...
but I suppose you don't remember that...because you can't resist the knife jab. Yeah, transparent. How does your monstrous ego fit in yer little old head??
Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. WHen all this rock star talk started...
I saw an interview and have seen him say since that that is not the way he wants to be portrayed (like a rock star). So you are telling me now that he in fact DOES want to appear like a rock star? Well I stand corrected then. He chose the right people to design his set.

It is not insulting to suggest that people actually research things before they post them and not just take blogs and talking points for their information. Your compatriots have told me several times to do the research. I suppose it is all right coming from your side but insulting coming from mine. I get it.

But yes, go look at the votes. See how many times McCain and Bush butted heads and how many times McCain crossed party lines. How many times has Biden done that? None. How many times has Obama done that? None. As one Democrat poster posted to me below, Joe Biden knows that he has to be loyal to the party. That crystallized exactly what i have been trying to say. Yep, no matter what he takes, lying about a friend and throwing him under the bus, whatever it takes...loyalty to the party trumps everything.

And that is one area where McCain has them ALL beat. He has the guts to jump party lines for what he believes in. Because the American people have his loyalty, not the Republican party. That is something neither Obama or Biden can say. They never have, nor would they ever, jump party lines.
Started paying attention to Obama right after
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That's when she started referring to backup copy
The confidence you have in your candidate is admirable. Still it seems quite odd that SP will not be talking to reporters, taking direct questions from audiences or in town hall meetings or making the rounds of the TV political interview programs. Wonder why that is?