time to grow up - both sides have said things they don't mean or regret or get twisted
Posted By: me on 2008-08-30
In Reply to: PS. Forgot the part about "I don't think - About foreign policy much." addendum to above.
There's a whole slew of things everyone has said that they wish they didn't and on important issues. One party is not free from that.
EVERYONE has faults. Whether your democrat OR republican, man OR woman, black OR white. They all have said things they don't mean or didn't come out right, or was totally twisted by the other side. Fact of life in politics.
If your going to go there be prepared to listen to all the things "your" candidate has said in the past. Then you'll whine when someone brings it out.
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What........your twisted or hateful idea of truth, grow a heart, okay?...nm
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Sorry, I missed the part where she said all that, why do things have to get twisted and nasty...sm
when there is an ethical disagreement? Shots below the belt that assume way too much are low, ignorant, and taunting like a little disgruntled child. Perhaps there are others who are misssing a life, it seems to be on here, constantly inflaming, goading, ridiculing, but not saying much in the way of alternative ideas to DO something for this country. Bitter rhetoric just helps to tear things down and cause further division, nothing will ever get done either way. IMHO
Both sides say things like that
Obviously, living up someone's rear-end is not something that is to be taken literally - that is why I called it a joke - maybe not the best terminology.
My problem is when people say things about certain groups of people and they mean it literally - hence the reason that I specifically mentioned Anne Coulter's discussion and did not add anyone else mentioned in the OP's message.
This kind of crass talk happens on both sides of the fence. Do you have anyone in your family that is a registered Democrat? Do you lump them in with your comments about liberals? (also in comments on the conservative board) I have close family members that are registered Republicans. That is why I do not make sweeping remarks about all Republicans or conservatives. I'm trying to be very specific in my comments because everyone is obviously different.
Uh...that isn't what I said. I said it happens all the time and both sides do it.
Are you sure you read MY post? Just wondering because it didn't sound like it from your response. Man, you guys are trigger happy!
Happens all the time in politics, both sides do it, nothing new, move along.
Time for both sides to take the political blinders off????..............nm
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Fair & balanced - they give both sides equal time
They let both sides speak. They have equal guests meaning 2 pubs & 2 crats, or 1 pub and 1 crat. Unlike the other liberal stations who have 5 crats and 1 pub.
They tell the news like it is. There is more to Fox News than O'Reilly and Hannity. I'm watching Shepard Smith and others who are reporting news stories. These are the same news stories I see on other channels. They are fair because they give a chance for the opposing side to explain themselves and they are balanced because they have equal number of people. What liberals don't like is that the conservatives have anything to say at all. The liberals want to control the country (getting one heck of a start too), which would be an economic disaster to the country (thank you Pelosi with your pet pig projects you keep hiding in the stimulus and Reid for slipping in a pig project that does nothing for the rest of the country). The liberals are trying to shut down anyone with opposing viewpoints than theirs, and they are having their lawyers re-write the laws and change to consitution. - Not good for America. The only thing this stimulus plan is good for is to get people re-elected into their position. Congress does not give a hoot about America....
Pelosi: "Hurry fellas lets vote, I'm off to Rome". Hey there Pelosi, have a good trip, while we all wait for our pink slips and food stamps. Have yourself a great time at our expense.
Two things I just heard that make her look better all the time!
#1: Democrat Senority Minority Leader Harry Reid actually suggested to Bush that he nominate Harriet Miers.
#2: Some of most radical conservatives are beginning to whine about it.
Could it be that Bush, reminiscent of Rumsfeld's assertion that You go to war with the Army you have, realizes that he came into office with the Supreme Court HE had and is trying to maintain the structure of the court, and, in doing so, is actually doing something FOR Democrats??
I wonder how much his approval ratings will increase if Harriet Miers indeed turns out to be someone who is REASONABLE. 
I forgot it a long time ago......some things are
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JTBB doesn't have time for such things...too busy
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Agreed....my only regret at the moment...sm
...is the ton of work that just showed up on my desk from my two itsy bitsy GT accts I have, which ain't so itsy bitsy....I won't be able to be around very much for the next week, and there looks like a bunch of new topics up above, which I may have to skim later...
Take it easy....
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And you twisted what I said also....
the reason we have to abort not 100-200 a year but 1.2 million a year is because of the permissive society liberals have ushered in...no accountability...no right or wrong, only shades of gray...near porn in prime time, all in the name of freedom of expression. Have sex with anybody, as many anybodies as you want, anythings you want, freedom to express yourself...with no consequences because we stand ready to abort 1.2 million "oopses" a year.
Nice cigar hole remark. However, I think another permissive or should I say prominent promiscuous liberal has that one sewed up.
...of twisted logic.
Your theory is twisted
Maybe that's what they teach in the socialized education system nowadays (I heard plenty from my cousin who would tell me what her professors in the university were spewing). But what you stated is not the theory (that after 2 terms of one party the other party is supposed to be elected). What kind of screwed up site did you get that from (probably MSNBC or some other hate-filled station). If that was the case then there would not be a race and the opposite party would just be placed in - which is exactly what the democrats are trying to do.
I do agree that there is both far right and far left wingnuts. That is why the country needs someone who is a moderate. Unfortuntely the country will never elect someone from the Independent, Constitution or other party that is down the middle, but at least John McCain is more down the middle. Obama is the farthest left that you can get. It just astounds me how many Americans would rather have the country move to socialism and live under a dictator rather than have a free country.
Also, people forget that America is a Constitutional Republic, NOT a democracy. Nowhere in the contitution or Declaration of Indpendence is the word "democracy" even mentioned. Our founding fathers were extremely knowledgeable about the issues of democracy and feared it. They understood that the only entity that could take away people's freedom is their own government (which we will see if Obama is elected).
There are people who are bent on destroying our sovereignty by creating the North American Union (which means Canada, US & Mexico will become a single country). The NAFTA agreement was just the beginning of this. Obama admits to support of this. Obama's policies are that of Stalin's. Stalin's economic philosophy was socialism, which involved taking property from the rich in order to redistribute it to the poor. Sounds exactly like what he was telling the plumber guy and others. I think last night John McCain made a very clear connection that Obama's polices and core beliefs are the same as Joseph Stalin's.
We cannot go down that road. We need to continue on as a free country. To think that now that because you have two terms of one party it's the other parties turn is wrong. Especially if the other party is and believes in socialism.
We need to have a republican (or another party other than a democrat) elected as president as the senate and house already are democrat. This is what they call "balance of power". Americans prefer that the checks-and-balances evisioned by the founders be facilitated by having different parties control Congress and the White House. Put in a democrat president mixed with a democratic congress and a democratic senate and you have tyranny. They will pass every pork filled bill possible, tax you more and the country will go down the same dark road we hit with Carter and Clinton.
Yes, the country is in a state of turmoil one we haven't seen for not sure how long. I wouldn't go back to the depression, as we all know Obama is trying to scare people into believing if he is not elected we're going to hit a depression - another blatant lie of his. That is why we need a moderate in the office. We need someone to keep the democratic senate and house in order, that is why we need McCain.
People should not vote for the other party with your theory that if they vote for McCain we are all wealthy. A lot of us are voting for McCain because we don't want to be taxed over 45% of our paychecks like we were under the last democrat president Mr. "Liar, depends on what the meaning of is is" Clinton. It is a fact that under Bush most American have received tax refunds (not the richest of rich - people like me and others who make around $25K or so). Something I never saw once under any of the 8 years the last democrat president was in. McCain and Palin have more knowlege of how to run the country. How to create jobs, how to not tax the small business people, how to generate income for America, how to win the war and not rush everyone back because you think more people will vote for you if you keep pushing that, when in truth you will turn around and after elected send them all back.
I say if you want to be free. If you want to be able to start your own business or have any money left from your paychecks to build a future for yourselves. If you care that the country is now a safer place since 9/11. If you care that our next president doesn't hang around with people like Wright, Ayers, Farrakan, and has friends in the countries that want to see us wiped off the planet and will do so under an Obama presidency, then vote your conscience and vote John McCain.
After last nights debate no matter who you think won or lost, I'll be voting for a man who has the knowlege and experience to lead the country to better times and will continue to remain free. Otherwise you should learn how people in Cuba and North Korea and other communist/socialist countries feel. Why do you think they're all trying to come to our country. And the ones who immigrated to here to get away from there. I'm sure they will not be voting for someone who will make this country into what they risked their lives to get away from.
No, it might be you who is twisted, sistah!
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Another twisted notion...
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Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm
In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."
Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.
He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.
Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man? Unless he has the same view of America.
O'Reilly: Twisted spin, again.
A quote:
O'REILLY: Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office, the poverty rate was 13.7%. Halfway through President Bush's tenure the rate is 12.7, a full point lower.
[COMMENT According to statistics obtained from the U. S. Census site, when Bill Clinton began his term as President in 1993, the poverty rate was 15.1%. By the time Clinton left office the poverty rate was 11.7%. By 2002, under George Bush the rate began to rise again to 12.1% in 2002, 12.5% in 2003 and 12.7% in 2004.
According to the Christian Science Monitor this most recent increase was unforeseen by analysts who expected the number to drop along with unemployment and may indicate a disturbing trend. While the poverty level for Asians declined and it remained stable for Hispanics and African-Americans, the only group that saw an increase was non-Hispanic white Americans living in the midwest. In other words there are 1.1 million poorer red state residents this year than there were last year.]
O'REILLY: In 1996 the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2% of the budget. ... However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record-shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements - 14.6% of the entire budget - a huge increase over Clinton's spending. Did the elite media mention that? Jesse Jackson mention that? Of course they didn't. Because it's much more convenient for Evan Thomas and others to imply that America under President Bush has turned its back on the poor. But it's absolute nonsense. Even in the midst of the war on terror [Note: Did he mean the war of choice in Iraq?], this country is spending a massive amount of money tryin' to help the poor. So why the lie? Because political gain can be made off the suffering of others, that's why. Those who oppose the Bush administration don't care about the truth. They only want to advance their own agenda, so once again the No-Spin zone rides to the rescue.
Hard-working Americans are providing the poor with Medicaid, food stamps, supplemental security income - that's free money - child nutrition programs, welfare payments, child daycare payments, temporary assistance to needy families, foster care, adoption assistance and health insurance for children. But, it will never be enough for the Jesse Jacksons and Howard Deans of the world. Never! If they told you the truth, they'd go out of business.
Now, I fully expect to be attacked by the far-left media for tellin' you all this. I'm sure they'll label me a racist, a shill for Bush, stuff like that. But, I don't care. The dollars don't lie. We are a generous nation. And that is the truth.
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Most of the poor in this country WORK, many of them hold down two and three jobs. If you want to read a damning book on this topic, I suggest you get Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America. Ms. Ehrenreich went underground and worked at minimum wage jobs for a year. She discovered a few unpleasant facts about life on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Self-satisfied, replete, rich men like Bill O'Reilly sit in their posh offices and scare hard-working Americans into believing that their taxes go to indigent scofflaws who sit at home guzzling beer, smoking pot, eating chips and watching TV. Those of us closer to homelessness know this is not the case.
When he mentioned that SSI (social security supplemental income) is free money, he neglected to say that it is money that goes to disabled Americans or that providing health coverage for children reduces trips to the emergency room!
Sometimes I wonder how many poor people Mr. O'Reilly actually knows or has associated with on a long-term basis? For the past 15 years I've been involved in a local program that offers music scholarship to needy families. In that time I've taught 7 different children from 7 different poverty situations and I came to know the families personally. Most of the adults in the family work really hard. Sometimes the kids worked, too, after school. Some had parents trying to break a drug habit (yes, they held down a job) or schizophrenic parents (who were incapable of working) or an abusive parent (who worked, then took it out on the family), but most were blessed with caring parents who were doing the best to provide for their children against almost impossible odds.
So when I hear guys like O'Reilly spout their simplistic tripe implying that the poor are sucking the lifeblood out of hard-working Americans, I see red.
Also, I don't trust O'Reilly's numbers on entitlement programs simply because he never once used the words inflation-adjusted dollars. If he was simply quoting raw numbers, I'd like to remind him that 15 years ago the dollar went farther. Additionally, he did not indicate through graphics or verbally whether or not there was parity between the two budgets, i.e., was he citing figures that included exactly the same programs in both figures?
Given O'Reilly's dubious track record, one cannot accept his statements without independent verification.
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Human rights is getting way twisted
I go by the Bible and a much higher authority.
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
As we can see, there is no reliable source. Twisted, misleading passages out of context
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GROW UP
We are talking about a real solution to a real problem and you insist on being an immature child and posting ridiculous comments. You are really not as important as you seem to think you are. I think typing isn't the only thing you are backwards at. Like life for one.
Why don't YOU grow up.............sm
A little levity on this board is not a bad thing! I think it's important to be able to laugh once in a while. Sheesh!
Please grow a brain. Look up what the
I was not alluding to real trains hitting each other, okay?
Taking everything you read literally is the best way I know of to be brainwashed, cheated, fooled, hoodwinked, taken advantage of, screwed, you name it.
What I alluded to is that I don't want MY tax dollars, or anyone ELSE's, bailing out a bunch of crooks who STOLE money from a bunch of people, sold 'em bad loans, etc., and got RICH BEYOND ANYONE'S WILDEST DREAMS by doing so.
Wall Street & Corporate America have turned into one giant con-man's shell-game, and it's about time there was a major shakeout and restructuring. Would it be difficult in the short-run? You bet. (Like it isn't already?) But in the long-run, if the system were reinvented and rebuilt, it might come out a lot better in the end.
Get a clue and grow up
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Thank god Im still young enough for someone to tell me to Grow up
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PS I did not hear that on TV
Heck Gov - just grow some more pot!
Now that's thinkin, Lincoln!
How does your garden grow? sm
She was a plant, and so was Chene Thompson, the State Rep's wife who offered her the use of a house rent free. How else does a homeless woman living in her pickup truck manage to get tickets to a town meeting (you don't just walk in) and make her way to the front of a crowd of people and just happen to stand beside the person who has the answer to her prayers?
Maybe those who dug through the records on Joe the Plumber can come up with something.
JTBB grow up!
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Where Boys Grow up to be Jihadis.
I am attaching a link to a New York Times article written by Andrea Elliot this past Sunday. Be prepared, it is somewhat long, so dig in!
It is about her findings of the peope and the reasoning behind the attacks in Morrocco. It is a very interesting read.
I am also attaching a link to NPR's Fresh Air for a followup interview that she gave today in regards to her article which really sums up the whole experience for her.
This story epitomizes why I believe our interventionalist policies in dealing with the middle east and Islamic terrorism in general is failing and why we have to change our polices as soon as possible. It is sobering and I hope you find it interesting and enlightening.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/magazine/25tetouan-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16733559
No one is saying that they don't grow up to be good or responsible?!
All I am saying is they would have wanted you home, instead of a babysitter or someone else! No one said anything about the quality of person they turn out to be!? Little children need their moms and that is the truth! I know, I used to work at a daycare and how they would leave those poor little babies is beyond me! I couldn't do it! And it was anywhere from 8 to 12 hours a day! And then they would get jealous if they got attached to us!? Hello!? Who is raising them?! Not you lady! And I'm not talking about single moms either. These were "business" women who had husbands and felt the need to support their "lifestyle" and to give their kids "everything," when all they REALLY wanted was their love and time! I may not have the nicest, newest, biggest house, but my kids want for nothing, including me, and I am there for them!
Fox has nothing to do with it, they just happened to report it first....grow up, and allow others th
I'm starting to dislike you dems more and more every day. Keep sinking, along with that sex article you forgot to publish the link to. You are all smut and no substance, most of the time.
I restate the last sentance - grow up!
Here, read real slow now so you can understand. My post had no political substance because it was in reply to your message -
If you can't figure out the simplist of things I feel quite sad for you.
You are so right! Grow up America! Go find your
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Grow a funny bone
You're going to give yourself a heart attack with that kind of bitterness, dearie.
If you fail to see why that post is hilarious, you must also be one of those people who failed to see that electing an ill-equipped pop idol to the highest post in the nation was a huge mistake.
You SHOULD be ashamed.
GROW UP SORE LOSER!
Please, put on those big-girl panties, stop crying, get that stiff upper lip and GROW THE BLEEEEEP UP!! YOU LOST. AMERICA WON!
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I've gotta put mine where it will grow without
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Obama wants to grow small businesses
I can stick my head in the sand and pretend I don't know what this garbage is all about but anyone with half a brain would know you can't grow a business when you continue to pay pay pay through the nose AND give it to someone who has no motivation to do crap with their life.
Can your computer monitor grow fingers?
Why have we let this go on and grow for so long??? Did we need slave labor that badly?....nm
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So disrespectful and immature. Ya think GW crashed his Tonka toys into the towers? Grow up
the majority of the Americans. I'm sure you would do a much better job. Meow
Auntie Em, Auntie Em.....twisted sister!!
Exactly....and that happens on both sides...
in all seriousness...without the jibes...I have two big issues with the Dem candidates, that being the abortion issue and the endless tax and spend for social programs. I am not against social programs, I am just against the waste associated with it and the constant assault on the paycheck. The average in the US is 30-35% of your paycheck off the top in taxes. Can't we all agree that is enough? Why create more programs or throw more money at programs that aren't working? Why not look at the programs and cut the waste. Look to helping people better themselves instead of pushing assistance higher up the income ladder. Because it is we in the middle class who suffer the most. Pretty soon there will not be any middle class at all, because they will then be the working poor on the assistance that goes higher up the ladder.
There is such a thing as a conservative Democrat...who believes in fiscal responsibility.
And I will be the first one to say that the Bush Adminstration has strayed way away from that...fiscal responsibility. While I agree with him on some things...I sure don't agree with him on that.
I fear Hillary's national health plan because I know Canada's is not working the way it should...and it is horribly expensive to the taxpayer. Up there, their median is 50-55% of their taxes off the top, and the #1 place for that money to go is the universal health care. And even if you have the money to pay for an operation, you can't jump the waiting list. Hence, they come here for it.
I would just hope that whoever wins will look at the long-reaching ramifications before just jumping in. Be that Hillary or a Republican....because I do think Hillary will get the nomination. I can't see it go any other way...unless something drastic happens between now and the primary. Of course, we won't see all the ugliness (on both sides) until a little later. I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
What do you have against 2 sides
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Yes, they can be - on BOTH sides.
Someone makes a wise crack about it being nice to have someone with a triple digit IQ - when in FACT they don't know what Bush's IQ is OR the possible that Barack has a higher OR lower IQ score. The problem is the people who post don't know. They have just an outright hatred and loathing for the republicans. Well how would they feel if I went and said Obama has an IQ of 68 or something so absurd. They wouldn't. You know what, having a high IQ doesn't mean squat. I know a lot of people with degrees and high IQs and they are more of imbs than people without degrees. Just another put down for Bush they they think is cute and funny. It's not! We get it already. They don't like Bush, they hate him, and some of them like my MIL will come right out and say what they want to happen to Bush (i.e. the same thing Hillary said would happen to BO and that is why she is staying in).
I'm really getting tired of the utter hatred and disdain for Bush, and the constant Bush bashing I see on this board. Calling him stoopid, etc, etc. when there are no facts to back it up (unless they are sitting with his school transcipts on their desk). You know I like Obama. I think he's an okay guy. I don't care for Bush. Never have, but this utter hatred and lies get to be a bit too much. Then of course they find websites to try to "validate" what they are saying, yet they won't post websites that go against what they are saying. I'm just sick of the whole thing. The next 4 years should be interesting. Not going to say O is going to fail, but I'm also not putting him up on a pedistal and praising him while I dance around in circles chanting his name like most on this board are doing. Then again if he does fail I expect no comments from the libs on that one. For him it will be okay.
Is good, but not see here. Sad for all both sides.
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