you have issues blah blah blah

• The Obama debate all should read... - sam
  • Transcript of SB1093 - sbMT
    • Okay -- I perused this. So if you don't - now you got me thinking.....
      • THis was not about deciding whether abortion was legal... - sam
      • Supreme Court - TskTsk
        • So you want the other side to be able to stack the deck the other way? nm - Amanda
          • Darn right - we must ALWAYS err on the side of protecting the INNOCENT. - TskTsk
          • Bottom line...are you in favor of infanticide? nm - sam
            • I'm in favor of choice - ExMQMT
              • So you favor the choice to deny a living child... - sam
                • Gee thanks - ExMQMT
                  • I believe you used the words you would like the deck... - sam
                    • I was talking about - ExMQMT
              • choice - Fiona
                • It is just appalling to me that people think it is acceptable... - sam
              • whose choice? - what about that baby?
                • oh yeah, that's what I believe, gimme a break - ExMQMT
                  • Abortion - Fiona
                    • This is not about abortion. It is about a man who... - sam
                  • if the infant has been temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb - it is not terminating a pregnancy
                    • yeah, so what, you aren't following the whole discussion - ExMQMT
      • This isn't abortion! - sbMT
  • Socialism aside....If there were no other reason, this stands alone....sm - ms
    • Despise? Oh my! nm - MQMT
      • Despise - ExMQMT
    • Does this not bother anyone? - sbMT
      • or wrong - right
        • Do you hear yourself? Fetus? Embryo....? - sam
          • You know what Sam? Don't bother - sbMT
            • yeah, don't bother - ExMQMT
              • Anyone who thinks infanticide A-OK.... - sam
                • sigh... - ExMQMT
              • you have issues blah blah blah - nm
                • just for the record, that wasn't me! - sbMT
                • yeah, I do, with you, lol! - ExMQMT
              • You agree with killing infants?? - sbMT
                • No - ExMQMT
                  • Pro choice is one thing - sbMT

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"changed their minds to save our lives".  Wow, you really believe that crap don't you?  Yea, that's right, let's be like all the other barbaric countries that use torture.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  By the way, I do believe that ANYONE involved in giving the go ahead on "enhanced interrogation" should be prosecuted -- pubs and Dems alike.

It's been proven time and time again that torture does not give reliable results.  In fact, one of the most reliable pieces of information was obtained from giving a diabetic a cookie.  Yea, I guess treating someone like a human being just doesn't work. 

I am much less terrified by the "terrorists over there" than I am by the crazy rightwing loonies here in the country.  Those are the ones you really should be concerned about!!

Hi Lurker!!  Since you are the only one who seems to feel it necessary to post things like this.  I wasn't being disrespectful in any way.  If I was, I am sure the moderator would have deleted my posts.  Many of you on this board don't even respect the moderator.  Fact is, I've seen many on this board attack the moderator and administrator.  It is people like you who don't follow the rules. But hey, it's Christmas and I am not going to get caught up in your silly immature games.  Have a good one!

Same thing rehashed over and over again below. You will never reach the cold-hearted, evil ones with your message, so you should probably just give up, lol!

-- Now it's been said twice, so it must be twice as funny.

Nah, I dont think terrorists will come my way but, however, when I move back to NY next year (cant wait), if a terrorist decides to blow up my beloved subway system or Long Island railroad, I dont think a gun would mean much.  I do suggest Bush check out our borders cause right now Im living in CA, two hours from the Mexican border and it is quite easy to get across, without a problem at all and he should also check out the trucking industry cause there has been a question that possibly they can blow up trucks but, however, you cant live your life in fear.  Im not afraid..Im living my life as I have.  Im not afraid to die..With introspection, however, I am a bit fearful of suffering, so if it ever happened, I would hope I would die, not suffer, ya know? 

I'm not seeing any discussion about issues.  Can we stick to the issues.  Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.

P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues.  How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues.  Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.

Certainly I agree the issues you mention must, must, MUST have our attention.  However, what we are doing this year is chosing a leader.  In my most humble opinion it is of the utmost importance to know what kind of person we are chosing to lead us.  We absolutely must look beyond what the politicians say; we must study their character and with whom they associate.  As the saying goes, birds of a feather flock together.

 As a life long Democrat, I am totally against Obama.  There are a number of reasons, not the least of which is his choice of pastors.  I believe his chosen church is a radical, devisive, racist group.  If Pastor What's His name isn't enough; what about the priest who delivered the sermon ridiculing Hillary in that same church?  By no means am I a supporter of Hillary Clinton but that show was disgusting.  Neither can I support John McCain.  I have changed my registration from Democrat to Independent because neither mainstream political party represents my values.  My voice will be heard in the election but I will do a write-in for Lou Dobbs.  Would he make a good or great leader?  I don't know.  He talks the talk but would he walk the walk?  The only thing any of us can do is to vote and vote our convictions......and pray.

such as celebrity, Ayers, etc.??

1.     Civil Rights.  Comprehensive Patriot Act reform.  Expand hate crime status, deceptive voting practices, racial profiling, sentencing disparities for minority offenders and better support programs for ex-offenders as the reintegrate into free world to reduce recidivism in crime rates, incorporate medical treatment for drug offenders into sentencing and rehabilitation initiatives.

2.     Economy.  Job creation such as green jobs (clean technology, renewable energy), invest in national infrastructure jobs, address outsourcing issues such as NAFTA reform, end tax breaks for companies who outsource, tax incentives for companies who preserve American jobs, tax relief for the middle class, tax relief for small businesses and start-up businesses, ensure workers' freedom to unionize and right to organize, raise minimum wage, clean up mortgage industry, address predatory credit card practices.

3.     Ethics.  Address lobbying, federal contracts, tax breaks, earmarks and special interests practices and reform.

4.     Faith.  Maintain strict constitutional separation of church and state and ensure freedom of all religions. 

5.     Fiscal.  Fiscal discipline, balance budget, reduce debt, tax system reform for better efficiency.

6.     Foreign Policy.  End war in Iraq, reform contracting practices relative to war reparations, restore alliances, renew American diplomacy, particularly in the Middle East, strengthen NATO, address global poverty, nuclear waste cleanup and nonproliferation.

7.     Health Care.  Quality, affordable, portable health care, accessible for all Americans, lower costs across the board and particularly for prescription drugs.

8.     Immigration.  Streamline immigration bureaucracy, legalization initiatives that keep families together, expansion of bilingual education for special needs of immigrants who seek legal status,  eliminate incentive to immigrate illegally by cracking down on employers who hire illegals, a better working partnership with Mexico to promote economic development to reduce illegal immigration.

9.     Poverty.  Expansion of transitional jobs and career pathway programs aimed at low-income Americans in workforce, Green Job Corp, improve transportation access to jobs, promote responsible fatherhood, Community Development Block Grant programs, affordable housing.

10.   Rural.  Subsidize family farmers, not agribusiness, encourage organic and local agriculture, connect rural America with communications infrastructure improvements, improve health care delivery, education and roads, bridges, dams infrastructure

11.   Seniors and Select Specialty Hospital.  Protect Social Security, affordable health care, develop community based senior supportive care systems, expand outreach for seniors.

12.   Technology.  Insure an open internet as highway to connected and transparent democracy, modernize communications infrastructure.  FCC reform to promote diversity in media ownership. 

13.   Women's issues.  Protect Roe-vs-Wade, promote sex education in schools, access to birth control and promote stem cell research. 

I didn't know this - very interesting.  Funny how much you can learn by researching.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302137342405551

9/11/2001:  We all talk about 9/11.  How Pres. Bush should have known.  We did lose a lot of lives that day.  It was truly a sad day.  However, what about the World Trade Center bombing back in ྙ when Clinton was the pres.  That was by Islamic extremists.  Or about the US Embassy bombings in ྞ....also while Bill was in office suspect to have been coordinated by Osama Bin Laden.  Or the USS Cole incident in 2000 and once again Bill was in the White House and once again Osama was the suspect in the planning.  All these terrorists acts but the one people shout out about the most in 9/11 and how Bush is to blame.  Why?  Because more lives were lost in this one than with the other ones.  Weren't they all still terrorist attacks?  If Clinton had stood up and done something during his term....maybe 9/11 would not have happened at all but yet the blame all falls upon Bush.

Katrina:  Once again all Bush's faults and therefore all republicans faults.  Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff was the "federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina, [and] could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials."  "If you go back to August 27th," President Bush had already "declared a state of emergency in the state of Louisiana under Title V of the Stafford Act, ... Ergo, Katrina became an Incident of National Significance on August 27th -- two days before the storm. But Chertoff apparently didn't realize this and waited till a day after [on August 30th] to make the determination on his own, one that according to the flow chart had already been made."  Honestly though, if you live in a place that is well below sea level and you hear a really bit storm is coming your way.....common sense.....you get the heck out of dodge.

Iraq war:  The reason for the war was this:  The military objectives of the invasion were; end the Hussein regime; eliminate weapons of mass destruction; eliminate Islamic terrorists; obtain intelligence on terrorist networks; distribute humanitarian aid; secure Iraq’s oil infrastructure; and assist in creating a representative government as a model for other Middle East nations

As for Wall Street:  Firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman not only made billions of dollars packaging and selling these toxic loans, they also wagered with their own capital that the values of these investments would decline, further raising their profits. If any other industries engaged in such knowingly unscrupulous activities, there would be an immediate federal investigation.

At the same time, federal regulatory agencies such as the SEC stood idly by as Wall Street took advantage of the investment public during both the Internet and the housing bubbles. The SEC took almost no action against Wall Street after the dot-com implosion. And in the midst of the housing bubble, in 2006, only the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency pushed for any level of regulation to address subprime lending.

One has to wonder why Treasury secretaries under Presidents Clinton and Bush -- Robert Rubin and Hank Paulson, respectively -- took no action to curb these abuses. It certainly was not because they did not understand Wall Street's practices -- both are former chief executives of Goldman Sachs. And why has Congress been so silent? The Wall Street investment banking firms, their executives, their families and their political action committees contribute more to U.S. Senate and House campaigns than any other industry in America. By sprinkling some of its massive gains into the pockets of our elected officials, Wall Street bought itself protection from any tough government enforcement.

This is no doubt the same reason why so many members of Congress were consistently blocking attempts to reform and downsize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are essentially giant, undercapitalized hedge funds. These two entities have been huge money machines for Democrats in both the House and the Senate, many of whom recently had the gall to ask why these companies hadn't been reformed in the past. Nor should several Republican congressmen and Senators who likewise contributed to watering down legislation aimed at reforming these institutions be let off the hook.