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your world is not mine - if you cannot get jobs or they are being lost,

Posted By: MTPockets on 2008-09-12
In Reply to: Blacks in Alaska....... - sm

or you can no longer afford to go to college, then there is no way to survive without social programs. Lucky for your life, more power to you, but opportunity is shrinking for most of us in the country. The people with the most chance for opportunity and becoming rich are now $250,000 and over - we make $40,000 between 2 of us - sorry, we are just not buying into the mentality that we should just be lucky to have jobs and we should just work hard for our money. we have spent some 40 years putting money INTO this society only now have no control whatsoever over anything.

you honestly think people are going to just keep giving and giving, taking less for themselves and be happy?

I totally disagree with you and I am not all that intereseted in what people who have money think or what their opinions are about what to do with my money. my point is at least it comes back to ME via social programs, or helps some disadvantaged children to get ahead. do you think whoopie there would have gotten anywhere without utilizing some kind of social programs?

I am not bickering about small things here, I am talking about rich people who do not pay taxes and get all the tax breaks and credits while I pay higher in percentage of taxes on everything, such that I cannot even survive on what I am making now.

you act like it is so easy to just go get a job, work hard - where, tell me where to get a job paying enough to cover cost of living. are you living in reality? I do not have a college education, could never afford one, and more and more people cannot afford college education, a lot of grants are gone, no help for the disadvantaged.

have you ever had to decide whether to buy groceries or to pay the electric bill that is going to be shut off? I could go on but what is the point. the republicans just seem to want to get rid of dead weight and just use people as servants, that is the only kind of job I have to look forward to after all my hard work, a service job at some fast-food chain.

again, this is a good point because all this is doing is going to cause a revolution, but it will not be a good one and it will only open up for some worse type of 'party' to take over.

we have more crime than ever going on where I live, because of the economy, but wait until the rich start getting hit because we are starting to see that a lot now here.

they have everything and flaunt it all in front of the poor living right beside them.


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Well, mine is definitely Okie. Never lost it.
Guess I haven't been gone long enough to lose it. I think NE Oklahoma/NW Arkansas accents pretty similar. So we probably do. I say "coke," (the Okie all purpose word for Coke, Pepsi, DP, lol) these folks up here say "soda." Drives me nuts. Soda is made by Arm & Hammer. LOL. The very FIRST thing I do when I get back to my old home town is get a chicken-fried steak, mashed potatoes and white gravy. These people up here don't even know what white gravy is. lol. Traveling for a few years has been real educational though. Still...ready to go home. :)
2.6 million jobs lost in 2008 alone.
There are plenty of able-bodied folks out there who are out of work ALSO through no fault of their own, in view of this ever shrinking job market. Handicapped have to overcome THAT obstacle, too.
Mine never gained back the 25-30% it lost after 9/11.
And of course, in the past 5 years or so, I haven't been able to put in so much as a dime. I should have switched it over to something safer earlier this year, but of course everyone advised against that. Now, there's not really any point in doing anything with what's left. Might as well lose that, too.

If I ever do get a better job, though - one where I can start saving again, NONE of that money is going in to my 401K or the stock market, or any other stock-market-driven type of savings.


Another 750,000 jobs lost in March. Wait, I exaggerate. It was 742,000.
Whew!  For a minute there, I thought we hit three-quarters of a million jobs lost. By the way - the unemployment numbers only reflect people out of work and seeking employment.  They don't reflect the number who have given up the search.  And they won't reflect the kids looking for work this summer and not finding it.
In your world....thank God not in mine. nm
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Perhaps your narrow world, not mine.

Trying to figure out exactly what a community organizer does (besides having dinner with terrorists, listening to - but never actually hearing - hate speech in church, rallying fraudulent votes, etc.). 


Perhaps you could enighten me, o wise one?


Nation has lost 4.4 million jobs since recession began in Dec. 2007

Unemployment rate soars to 8.1 percent
Employers resort to even bigger layoffs as they scramble to survive
BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
updated 8:02 a.m. CT, Fri., March. 6, 2009


WASHINGTON - The nation's unemployment rate bolted to 8.1 percent in February, the highest since late 1983, as cost-cutting employers slashed 651,000 jobs.


Both figures were worse than analysts expected and the Labor Department's report shows America's workers being clobbered by a relentless wave of layoffs.


The net loss of jobs in February came after even deeper payroll reductions in the prior two months, according to revised figures. The economy lost 681,000 jobs in December and another 655,000 in January.


Since the recession began in December 2007, the economy has lost 4.4 million jobs, more than half of which occurred in the past four months.


Employers are shrinking their work forces at alarming clip and are turning to other ways to slash costs — including trimming workers' hours, freezing wages or cutting pay — because the recession has eaten into their sales and profits. Customers at home and abroad are cutting back as other countries cope with their own economic problems.


With employers showing no appetite to hire, the unemployment jumped to 8.1 percent from 7.6 percent in January. That was the highest since December 1983, when the jobless rate was 8.3 percent.


All told, the number of unemployed people climbed to 12.5 million. In addition, the number of people forced to work part time for "economic reasons" rose by a sharp 787,000 to 8.6 million. That's people who would like to work full time but whose hours were cut back or were unable to find full-time work.


Meanwhile, the average work week in February stayed at 33.3 hours, matching the record low set in December.


Job losses were widespread in February.


Construction companies eliminated 104,000 jobs. Factories axed 168,000. Retailers cut nearly 40,000. Professional and business services got rid of 180,000, with 78,000 jobs lost at temporary-help agencies. Financial companies reduced payrolls by 44,000. Leisure and hospitality firms chopped 33,000 positions.


The few areas spared: education and health services, as well as government, which boosted employment last month.


A new wave of layoffs hit this week.


General Dynamics Corp. said Thursday it will lay off 1,200 workers due partly to plummeting sales of business and personal jets that forced it to cut production. Defense contractor Northrop Grumman Corp., and Tyco Electronics Ltd., which makes electronic components, undersea telecommunications systems and wireless equipment, also are trimming payrolls.


"This is basically cleaning house for a lot of firms," said John Silvia, chief economist at Wachovia. "They are using the first quarter to cut back employment and figure out what they want."


Disappearing jobs and evaporating wealth from tanking home values, 401(k)s and other investments have forced consumers to retrench, driving companies to lay off workers. It's a vicious cycle in which all the economy's negative problems feed on each other, worsening the downward spiral.


"The economy is in a tailspin. Businesses are jettisoning jobs at an unprecedented pace," said Richard Yamarone, economist at Argus Research.


The country is getting bloodied by fallout from the housing, credit and financial crises_ the worst since the 1930s. And there's no easy fix for a quick turnaround, economists said.


President Barack Obama is counting on a multipronged assault to lift the country out of recession: a $787 billion stimulus package of increased federal spending and tax cuts; a revamped, multibillion-dollar bailout program for the nation's troubled banks; and a $75 billion effort to stem home foreclosures.


Even in the best-case scenario that the relief efforts work and the recession ends later in 2009, the unemployment rate is expected to keep climbing, hitting 9 percent or higher this year. In fact, the Federal Reserve thinks the unemployment rate will stay elevated into 2011. Economists say the job market may not get back to normal — meaning a 5 percent unemployment rate — until 2013.


Businesses won't be inclined to ramp up hiring until they are sure any economic recovery has staying power.


The economy contracted at a staggering 6.2 percent in the final three months of 2008, the worst showing in a quarter-century, and it will probably continue to shrink during the first six months of this year.


Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress earlier this week that recent economic barometers "show little sign of improvement" and suggest that "labor market conditions may have worsened further in recent weeks."


Consumers’ growing frugality has hammered automakers, among other industries. General Motors Corp.'s auditors on Thursday raised "substantial doubt" about the auto giant’s ability to continue operations, and the company said it might have to seek bankruptcy protection, sending its shares below $2.


Bill Hampel, chief economist for the Credit Union National Association, said his group’s members are reporting record increases in deposits. Government figures show the savings rate jumped to 5 percent in January from zero last spring. That’s the highest rate since 1995 and a much faster shift than he had expected, Hampel said.


Consumer spending makes up about 70 percent of the economy. It topped out at 71 percent in 2005, Hampel said, but will likely drop by 2 to 3 percentage points over the next few years.


Increased savings can actually lower economic growth. Economists call it the “paradox of thrift”: What’s good for each of us individually — being thrifty, limiting our spending — can worsen a recession when everyone does it all at once.


Hoffman said about half the 6.2 percent drop in economic output last quarter was attributable to lower consumer spending.


it appears you lost your opinion or you wouldn't feel the need to remark on mine....nm
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temporary jobs lead to permanent jobs -
projects are always just temporary; however, they lead to more permanent positions. Also, by the time some of these "temporary" jobs are over, the crisis should be settling down too. Do you think that rebuilding our infrastructure is going to happen in a day, week, or month?

What should we do? Tell these people who will be temporarily paid not to work for the next couple of years on these jobs because they are only temporary? That is a good idea - nobody do the temporary jobs, that way the projects will never get done and the deficit will not go up, and the economy will just continue to decline...

That's a great way to handle it!
I only lost $1000 so far-Hubby lost $2000 in a week (sm)

so, I called his financial advisor yesterday and told him to put hubby in a "safe" plan. It's now in a money market fund that is part of his IRA.


I have no choice. I have to stay where I am. I have no "safe" available. Neither of us will be able to retire on what is now in our 401Ks and you're not the only one. We couldn't buy a car with Both our 401Ks, let alone live on it.


We are late starters for retirement  not until our late 40s funds (most of our employers did not offer pensions). We are now of the first retirement tier and although we own our home outright, if we live until we are 90, there is no way we can live off retirement 401Ks or SS.


My husband's father told him back in the 50s that we would experience something like what is happening today and stated it would be worse than the ཙ crash. It is sure starting to look that way, but we will survive some way, I hope.


We need to pray for the people on SS now that cannot survive. I, for one, would love to help them, but can't help ourselves at this moment.


 


jobs
my husband has been a carpenter and self-employed since he was fresh out of school.  after 20 years he had no job, no work anywhere.  he had to go take a job at a store making less than half of what he used to make.  now they are saying they may be laying him off and he hasnt been there long enough to collect unemployment.  I cant imagine things getting worse, but I fear they are going to.
Not me, I have 3 jobs, thank you. Why?
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JOBS
Maybe Obama is thinking these jobs will last until he is out of office, and then when the jobs are finished, and people are out of work, he can say, see what happened when I was no longer in office.
So has mine. nm
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Mine too
I was seriously bummed when he left the race. I really think he could have shaken up the party and turned Washington around. Oh well, guess we'll never know.
so are mine nm
nm
So were mine
I get aggravated too when people lie or use eloquent words to gloss over the real issue.
Neither are mine
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None of mine
have either.  I usually lurk but I enjoy a good debate and intelligent conversation.
And clearly, neither did mine...
we are still spending money that doesn't exist to try to spend ourselves out of debt. But are you serious that everyone supports the troops? Have you not seen people protesting at military funerals? Or how about the people who stood outside our base with signs that said that all military men are terrorists who only want to murder helpless children. Whether or not you personally know them, there are people who are not behind troops. Take a look at the person who said they die for "no reason." Heaven forbid that my husband does not make it home from Iraq, God help anyone who has the audacity to say to my face that it was for nothing!
Unfortunately, not in mine......
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Well of course Obama wants to keep jobs in the USA. Here is why.
Do you want $8,500 of your dollars to fund the Useless Nations? I know I don't.

Barack Hussein Obama has a legislative record in the Senate and one of his proudest accomplishments is The Global Poverty Act (S. 2433).

Barack Hussein Obama's Global Poverty Act will commit us to a stealth United Nations-inspired global tax of $845 Billion dollars... that comes to approximately an $8500.00 tax burden for every household in the United States!

Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media wrote:

"[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"

"The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."

The United Nation's actual record on ending pain and suffering around the world is pathetic and dismal.

Here is the link, check it out for yourselves before you flame me. I am sure I am not the only one who is worried about what will happen when/if he gets into office.

ExposeObama.com


It is not that Americans won't do the jobs...
it is really that they will not do them for the wages given. Unfortunately, we expect a cheap food source, which we get. If farmers have to pay Americans to labor away in fields, they will have to pay more than they do and our food costs will go up. I am actually okay with that. Perhaps retail markup will have to go down some, as well. Coming from California, I know what kind of living conditions migrant famers live in (huge amounts of people in subpar housing, etc.) and understand that Americans WILL do the work, but only for a fair amount of pay.
I've had jobs since the day I was old enough to
even though there were times I could barely scrape together 2 cents to buy something I or my family needed. Yes, jobs are pretty easy to get, if you don't think you're "above" working at a gas station, McDonald's - whatever it takes. There are plenty of people who use social programs in lieu of finding a job. I see it all the time. They milk the system, if you don't admit that, you're in denial. I don't believe for one minute that the hard-working people in the country that make decent money should have to pay for these people. I have no problem with programs for those who truly need it, but if you were truly to examine most of the recipients of these programs, a good lot of them are abusing it. I worked in a law office where I saw this and I worked in medical offices where I saw this. The sad reality is that those who milk the system are darn good at it and REAP the benefits, but the people who truly need welfare, disability, etc., fight for sometimes YEARS and never receive benefits.

I think it's highly tacky of you to insinuate that the only way Whoopie could've attained her success is by using social programs. That is a borderline racist remark, IMO. Would you say that about a successful white actress? Hmmmph.
Just WHO do you think does provide jobs?
the middle class?
how to figure out which jobs are on their way out
Anything that requires a loan: houses, cars, trade schools, university of Phoenix type schools, shopping malls, vacations and travel, elective surgeries or cosmetic dental lasik surgeries, etc.

Jobs that will increase:
Anything that helps America:
Teachers, nurses, geologists, scientists, infrastructure, power grids, alternative energy, solar.
how it affects our jobs
It will affect us if the automakers fail because it is estimated that upwards of 6 million, and some estimates are as high as 10-12 million, people could potentially face unemployment. That is those working for the big 3 as well as those who supply them and those who work for business that all of these people utilize. 6 million is a lot of people now without health benefits and paychecks. Obviously, that will have an impact of numbers of doctor and hospital visits.
Green jobs.......... sm
would take quite a bit of time to implement as it would take time to build the utility facilities, not to mention retrofitting households to use green energy. I don't think this is a viable short-term plan to help our country, although I do see a benefit from it long-term. However, in creating green jobs and bankrupting the coal industry like he said he would that creates yet another situation where people will be jobless and not paying taxes. With a good portion of our electric energy coming from the coal industry, this number could be significant enough to offset any benefit obtained with green energy and green jobs.

We are in a financial crisis and I don't see that there is anyway out of it (unless they yank that Golden Fleece) without immediate tax increases on all tax-paying Americans.

Like I said, a plan is just a plan and even with a Democratic Senate, I don't foresee his tax plans coming to fruition in the near future.
You nut jobs can have this place

Keep on ranting about the stupid b/c like as if you are smarter than Hillary and McCain.  If there'd been even a SNIFF of wrongdoing in the b/c, they would have drug it out and already drug it through the mud.  Personally I don't think a lot of the nut jobs who hang out here are even MTs.  I think they are professional political pot stirers!!!


They are bragging about 3M jobs

being created. Guess what DH reminded me of? There are millions more unemployed than the 3M (he said 10M, but I'm not sure on that), plus most of these jobs will not happen until 2011. How's that going to help?


I'm serious. That will leave 7M still on the unemployment rolls. We are really in for a long haul here. Thank heavens I don't live in a city. At least we can grow our own food.


You know if they want to create jobs

why aren't we drilling for oil?  Why aren't we getting wind farms going?  If our government would take more money to look into alternative fuels, not only would that stop our dependency on foreign oil but we will need workers to maintain those things, etc.  Those will be jobs that will last.  It won't be like construction work like Obama wants.  Once the roads are repaired and bridges fixed, etc....then what?  I just think we are going in the wrong direction and I just don't understand why.  We need to tap our resources with offshore drilling.  We need to drill Alaska.  While we are doing that, we need to look for alternatives to oil.  The sooner they do that, the sooner car companies can make environmentally safer cars and vehicles.  I mean....come on.


I read somewhere that most of the jobs
won't get up and running until 2010 or 2011. It takes time. Everything takes time, and so, in the meantime, we have to go it on our own. It's sink or swim right now.
Particularly the construction jobs.
Those often take at least two years of planning, getting bids, getting materials and getting started. Not very helpful right now. I think everyone on the Hill has totally lost any connection with the real world.
From my understanding, the jobs

created would only be temporary. Don't forget, road and bridge construction only lasts in the summer in the northern states, and when those road and bridge jobs are done, what's next?


The money being doled out for infrastructure is definitely not enough. There are many, many roads and bridges that have to be built/rebuilt in the country and any one of them would cost $1 million and up.  PA is getting $2.7M for roads. Is that going to take care of the roads? Doubt it. Headlines recenty in our paper stated PA was going to get $6B. I checked the charts and don't see where he gets that figure.


Jobs going overseas
I forgot to mention - as MSMT said in her post titled "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's wrong with the economy" - it stated on yahoo was an article about the layoffs at Dell in Austin.

"Everyone in the room was fired, their jobs shipped overseas".

That's one instance.

I'm taking an online course and 6 students wrote in stating they need to get retrained because they just lost their jobs within the last month. Their job went overseas.


But think of the ''green'' jobs
created by the new technology.  Someone will have to develop a ''fartometer'' to measure the bovine emissions.  Each cow will be fitted with one by a trained technician. Somebody will have to monitor the readings.  Somebody else will have to compile the data.  And  there will need to be a billing department to calculate the ''gas tax'' due.  Surely there will be a place in this new bureaucracy for displaced MTs?  (Unless the readings are remotely transmitted to Pakistan...)
Every group has their nut jobs.
You cannot group all conservatives into that category especially since there are just as many nut jobs on the liberal side.  Get over yourself and give me a break! 
The right not only defends their nut jobs sm

they have people out there like Lamepuke and Billo the Clown pandering to these crazy loons.  Some people would sell out their own mother for ratings and to put more millions of dollars into their own pockets.  It's pretty pathetic that these two despicable TV/radio man sluts have to resort to attracting the lunatics of the world to boost their ratings.


SP said it, too. In the post above mine. :) NM
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and you keep making mine

So if something is amiss in the word you don't try to fix it at all you just hope that it goes away?


Would you rather deal with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas before they get nukes or after?  Should we have let Saddam get nukes too?


This whole *Bush was too preoccupied with Iraq to deal with this situation* the Dems are crying is bull. Just like everything else they say in fact.  This situation has been ongoing for years.  The cease fires so touted by Madeline Albright and Clinton have never been true cease fires.  This is a conflict that has been going on ever since there were Jews and Arabs.  This is one situation you cannot historically place the blame on Bush.  Doesn't hold water.  So, if you are so concerned about our President supposedly not knowing history or geographics then I suggest you do some studying of your own, because your history and your perception of it is a little skewed itself.


so was mine, but I guess

the recipient didn't get it . . . .


 


It's their own words, not yours or mine. nm

Sam, you give closed-minded people way too much of your time!  Oh well.  It's your call.


They may be off your radar, not mine...
nm
and I base mine on

available information .... don't just pull them out of my bellybutton.


 


Mine is nm, stopping using that too.
nm
I have a friend of mine who has a

few nieces who are biracial and they are absolutely beautiful kids.  I think some of the cutest kids are "oreos."


Your words, not mine.
Got it?
Her message....not mine..(sm)

"If there is an open door in 2012 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plough through that door," Mrs Palin said.


All indictations, from what I see, are that Palin is going to run for Prez in 2012.  I would guess that this means the pubs are going even farther to the right.


Mine's 148, and I'm just "Joe MT".

and you missed mine...
All I meant was she wasn't judging her on her LOOKS, but I believe how she looks at people. does that make sense? She is a beautiful woman and she does love her family, that is great. But I believe the poster was relating her personality... which some find abrasive and a little rude and "above" others you know? you dont see it that way, but some do. that's all. personally i have no opinion of her i dont know enough.
Your comparison, not mine.
Can't blame him at all for trying to grab a couple of gasps of fresh air after being immersed in the cesspool with the tax cuts for the rich or else monolith.