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Leadfeather, they expect us to edit VR because they can

Posted By: sm on 2005-08-20
In Reply to: The problem is...SM - Leadfeather

They (management of companies who ask us to do this) know that most people who do MT are not wealthy people, or even average income-wise and are desperate for any work/income they can get.  They use this information to their advantage and always will. You said it when you said "a few measly hundred dollars".  To many MT's that's a lot of money.


Unfortunate but true.




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To Leadfeather sm
I can tell from your posts that you are a born leader.  Have you really thought about what will happen if all, or most, MTs follow your advice and move on to the few remaining good companies?  Your ideas might, and probably would, have worked 10 years ago but that isn't the answer today.  Ever hear of trickle down effect?"  Well, that's what's happening in the industry, actually in all industries.  MQ gets away with it and one-by-one the others follow suit when they are in a position to do so, just as we are seeing happen with the people posting about different companies on this board.  I, for one, am glad that I am at the end of my career and work because I want to, not because I have to.  My husband, a retired Teamster, gets a retirement check the first of every month for $3000, the reward for putting in 30 years.  How many younger workers have anything close to that to look forward to?  And...yes, that includes Teamsters retiring in the future.  Their membership has dwindled so the "old" benefits just won't be there.  Maybe won't even continue to be there for those who have already retired.  How far down will the American workers go before they say "ENOUGH!"?  Maybe when they are the ones living on the streets and eating in soup kitchens?
Your are right Leadfeather!
I, too, will not take a VR editing job. There was an ad in the local paper a while back offering transcriptionists the opportunity (?) to go to India and teach transcription. Cannot imagine any American Transcriptionist who would do this..... but there are some. I personally think VR will be perfected in the future but I will not be one who edits VR or anything done overseas - will change careers first.
Leadfeather, you are right on the money SM

I could have written your post myself, especially about standing alone.  I worked for Medifax when they started cutting pay.  Being the outspoken person I am, everyone wanted me to stand up and speak for all of us.  Wanta know what happened?  Yep, you guessed it.  The powers that be weren't stupid, they gave token raises to the lower producers and there went the ballgame.  Those MTs suddenly were "happy" THEY got a raise.  I told Medifax to shove their job and moved on to MRC.  Wanta know what happened?  A few months later these "happy" MTs were calling me asking, "what are we going to DO?"  (Medifux had taken back their raises and some more to go along with it.) My answer, "Beats me."  Most of them ended up at MRC.


I was with MQ when they joined Philips too (bought out along with ddi), and I sure saw the handwriting on the wall.  Some MTs think they are so good they can never be replaced.  Wrong.  I'd wager that in a few years MT, by whatever name it's called, will go back where it came from...to minimum wage jobs.  I know of one very excellent MT who was trained by doing editing.  I didn't train her but I know who did.  She simply listened to the reports that had already been transcribed and looked up the terminology.  They'll simply have maybe 1 lead person to oversee the work of 40?  200? "medical language specialists."  MTs.....gone.


PS Leadfeather: MQ and Philips are together working hard on the VR technology...
that is why Philips bought MQ.  I was reading that yesterday.  this is something they are working very hard on, which is why I do not think Philips will let go of MQ - too much invested, even after the loss they have been taking over the recent problems MQ has had...

Philips, however, also does a lot of good things in the medical field, which is pretty impressive a philips medical...
To Edit
Well...then you have probably missed out on some of the best job opportunities with small MTSOs. I would beware of the large Nationals...they are the ones who offshore. I don't, won't, and only hire US MTs. I also pay my MTs much more than the average Nationals and we don't run out of work either!! Sorry you missed the opportunity of a lifetime not responding to ads posted with yahoo e-mails. Your loss.
Alex-Med, anybody edit for them? (sm)
  I was interested to know how they are to work for, pay on time, steady work flow, sound quality, that kind of thing.  Any insight is appreciated.
Edit BP normal?

For your normals that have either an abbreviation or a long form use the following:


type bp, get BP


type bpp, get blood pressure


type wnl, get WNL


type wnll, get within normal limits


type copd, get COPD


type copdd, get chronic obstructive pulmonary disease


type cold, get COLD


type coldd, get chronic obstructive lung disease


Yes, sometimes the word cold will be used in a report, but it is so seldom unless you are doing pediatrics, that you will and should notice it.  Hope this helps.


How can you edit after 2 years?
Unless you worked in an intensive MT situation I don't see how you can be an Editor after two years!!  That pay is ridiculous, even beyond ridiculous. 
If they are out of OR, then they offered 2-3 cpl to edit and I said NO...
It may not be them but it sure sounds like it.
I edit for them with no problems.
They leave me alone and they pay on time by my invoice hourly.
I'd rather edit Indians than VR because sm
I did that and made a lot more money on it than VR. They actually get all the words right except our slang.


Question for QAs who edit
I was offered a job to do QA for a company with a speech platform. This is not a speech editing but rather a true QA editing position.  I would like to know from other QA's the pros and cons of doing QA on speech documents versus QA on typed documents.  TIA.
I edit and make a lot more than
the $10.00 an hour this ad suggested. I do not see what it matters if independent or not, just a poor salary for either.
You do have the option to type or edit.

At this point anyway.  Transcend has gained several new accounts recently, which has been broadcast from here to there.  What wasn't broadcasted is that they also LOST several large accounts over the past year, a couple just recently.  Some of the accounts that have just been added on are overflow accounts.  As each account gets transitioned over to the new platform, the option for typing will be great as the VR is extremely BAD in recognizing a lot of these new dictators.  Those editing on the accounts now are actually training the system to recognize what the dictators are saying.


As time goes on, the system starts recognizing more and more dictators are transitioned to editing.  Once the system becomes "smart" and is working at peak performance, less editors will be needed to work on the editing aspect, as was already experienced with a very large ER account that staffed 25 or more MLSs and dwindled down to 10.  We all saw what happened there.  When the editors were scrambling for work they switched to typing, and were told to do so by the AMs.  So think about what that means for those typing.  If less people are needed to edit, where do those already working on the pre-existing accounts go?  To typing on the new accounts.  When the work load is low, all those shifted from editing to typing will be doing the work YOU have been doing all along. 


Also, there will always be a need for some to type because there are some doctors that absolute cannot do VR.  Now just imagine if you choose to type rather than edit.  These are the doctors that you will be transcribing for day after day: Mush-mouths, speed-talkers, whisperers, extremely difficult ESLs.  In other words, all those that the system will never be able to decipher.  You may be getting a high rate for typing, but it is going to take you longer to do them because if they were that easy, the system would be doing them first.  No matter what option you chose you are on the losing end of the deal.  If you chose editing, it is FULL editing, not QA filling in the blanks.  Depending on how fast you type, you may never be able to achieve a consistent, day-after-day 40% increase in production, but you will be taking a loss in compensation.  If you chose typing, you're stuck with all the leftover garbage that the system cannot do on its own and your production still suffers.  No matter which way you look at it, you will be working harder and receiving less until the point eventually comes where 2/3 of the work force is scrambling for work while the other 1/3 is popping out 20,000 lines per pay period. much like it is now.  While you may have the option of typing or editing NOW, certain people in management have been telling their favorites that the goal in the future is to get ALL accounts and work types on editing.  Why do you think so many "in the know" are now scrambling for or were already told about the hourly team leader positions before they were even announced? 


Think about it.  This is not the first mass exodus Transcend has seen over the years. That became common knowledge when they had the push to hire back all those who had quit over the changes before.  Many there, even working for 5 years or more, are leaving this time.  If workers have gotten bad treatment before and left in the past, as is happening now, it will happen again.  A leopard does not change its spots. 


So you edit more than 400 lines an hour?

I havent seen anyone else be able to do that on the new platform.  What is your secret because I have tried and could only do 425 maximum on the best day with the best dictators on.  Way too much work for that kind of money.


Seems to be the way of all the companies with VR right now. You edit so much of the report so
rapidly that things probably go back incorrect. I really watch anything that has NO attached to it because VR or ASR does not get NO many times. Also, it does docs on cell phones and that is very difficult because you just get such a garble of words that it is impossible to know sometimes what they want and what they dont want so partially the docs have to take better control of what they are doing and they have to know cell phones are unclear and yet they dictate on trains and in noisy rooms, etc and I can only assume they dont care. The whole thing is getting difficult and I know the work coming from overseas is horrible so does this mean transcription is just throwing out work anymore. Seems like it.
It depends who you work for - I get 8 cpl to edit VR. nm
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ESCRIPTION/EDIT SCRIPT
I know Focus, Superior, DeVenture and Proveros use this platform.  Does anyone know of any other companies who do?
Edit the contract or THIS IS GARBAGE
I signed one of those stupid things once and when it came time to quit, I had a nice new job that I wanted to start right away, not in 30 days, so I asked the OLD company and they agreed to let me off the hook, although they were not nice about it.  Ask if you can just x that part out on the contract.  Why is it that the contracts are ALL one sided, nothing good in it for the MT?  yOU CAN be canned in a moment's notice, but you are supposed to give 30 days.  What crap.
I use Edit Script with a USB pedal
NM
QA must have heard it in order to edit it sm
They knew the sound quality was bad. They had to know. I worked somewhere where the doctors dictated on a tape recorder and then played it into the phone. It was a nightmare and when I said anything, they said they could hear it fine. It was not fine at all.
It was distant, the volume was low and it was fuzzy.
SGS edit line count

Been with them for quite sometime now.  Lots of work, but complete full listen and extremely difficult to reach that type of line count on VR.  Not to mention, there is a lot of changing of the guards per se going on in the company and it's just a really wierd situation. 


Hope that helps.


SGS edit line count

Been with them for quite sometime now.  Lots of work, but complete full listen and extremely difficult to reach that type of line count on VR.  Not to mention, there is a lot of changing of the guards per se going on in the company and it's just a really wierd situation. 


Hope that helps.


Only the NOT conscious MT's like yourself like it - such as using the exit, rather than EDIT. Heh

You will do very well at editing, because you can't spell and probably never use any expanders! 


An MT cannot do editing and use expanders, so LOST MONEY right there.


I can transcribe faster than edit
I don't know which VR you are using but the ones I know of and have used require tedious work. I can transcribe faster than I can edit and it puts less stress on me. Maybe it is my experience of 30 years that is the reason and maybe others don't have that much experience but I have seen the end result of those with less experience and it is still a mess when they finish editing because they don't know any difference. Or perhaps you have a vested interest in making VR look good. Not accusing just pondering.
As long as you edit your text
what's the problem? How do they track/know if someone is using it? Sounds like a company I would back away from....now.
Sometimes takes twice as long to edit?
I just finished my first hour of VRing and I did 561 lines, that is at 4 cents a line and that equals to over $22 for that hour. I could never straight transcribe that many lines in 1 hour.
so 500 lines/hr listen through & edit???
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I edit the work that comes back from India. (sm)
Not sure why they did not tell you the truth. That REALLY bothers me.
I edit Indian work and it's pretty bad
it is still cheaper for the company to pay me an american person.... to edit i suppose...but let me tell you, if i did not, they would not be able to print any of the stuff i edit

I edit for Transcend on accounts using eScription. sm
I really like it, make more money than transcribing, and am in and out of more reports. And it's a lot easier on my wrists. I've always found the people nice to work with, in spite of the horror stories being related about the hiring process.

I have no experience with any editing programs other than eScription being used at Transcend/MDI, but you could request assignment to accounts using eScription. One thing, since new accounts (ones often needing new employees) typically are transitioning to VR, you could start out heavy on transcription of reports as the computer learns to take over that job, with a few weeks of lots of corrections to eScripted reports, and then finally doing almost all editing on a trained account. I think it's going to be that way on any account new to VR with any company. Transcend did adjust the pay rate as the account I was working on progressed so I never lost money and eventually ended up making more. Good luck wherever you end up.
Their ad from 7/7 offers PT for Edit Script experience. Don't
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Are there any companies left that let MTs type and not edit? sm

Please, there has to be companies out there who want straight transcriptionists and not going through SR first.  If anyone knows a company that is loyal to their transcriptionists, possibly have benefits, and are honest that is looking for a well-educated, hard working transcriptionists, please tell me where.  I have been in this business many, many years...but every company I contact, they are going to speech recognition.  And the pay is much less.  HELP!


 


learning Escription/Edit Script
I work for Focus also and there is nothing hard about learning Escription---it is very user friendly. The test is learning the shortcut keys to become a faster editor. There is a website that comes with this platform that will teach you the shortcuts, plus there is a great forum board to learn from other MTs. I love the platform, but still working on speed.
The actual program behind it is AnyModal Edit, sm
It is hard to make money on anything that uses AnyModal Edit. I went from one company with it, to Transcend who says they use BeyondTXT, but once I got started turned out it was the same program in the background for editing, AnyModal Edit. Don't be fooled, it is very hard to get a good line count with this program. I can straight type 250-300 words per hour easily, but in this program for VR struggle to get 150 lines per hour, you have to edit a lot, this program is awful and it's faster to type most of the reports.
Precyse QA does not edit the overseas work. QA

out. 


thought--grrr--we need an edit button :-! nm
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Dictaphone Express Edit questions.

1.  I'm having problems using the Ctrl M feature to match audio and text (to re-check my blanks at the end of a report). 


2.  When I highlight a block of text to add to ESP, I hit Ctrl-Ctrl but it doesn't automatically transfer the text; I have to copy and paste (hope that makes sense).  Any suggestions?


3.  Ctrl-Shift-B can take FOREVER to populate a cosignature block.  Anyone else have this problem?


Thanks for any help.  I don't have a lot of instructions for this platform and there aren't a lot of people on it, so I'm figuring it all out.


 


Americans edit Indian work, never Indians
I was asked to sign something that said I would not tell that I edited Indian work. I would not sign that. Indians cannot edit Indian work.
duh
Americans have to do it.
ExSpeech is not a very good platform to edit on such as DocQscribe. n/m

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completing thought.....including on the Job Edit screen. nm
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Do any companies allow you to edit the dictation somewhat or are you strict verbatim? First time do
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I have 1 acct that's verbatim but they don't mind if I edit a little. I used to type insuranc
interviews where they would call people after accidents and I had to type every um, uh or cough. Kind of nervewracking!
Even if VR quality does improve, if we refuse to edit overseas dictation, they will still... SM
have no choice but to keep the work here. Once again, we hold the key. Our destiny resides with us on this issue as well.
I know a company that takes work off edit and doesn't pass
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Focus Infomatics uses Indians to edit Americans' work
They do make mistakes. But if you point it out to them, at least they are willing to learn, they don't get all huffy like Americans do, and the Americans should have better grammar, etc. in the first place!
I totally agree with this but I edit Pakistan typists. Won't call them transcriptionists, they

:+


It is much harder on the wrist to constanly use the mouse to jump around the report to edit, rather
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Stay with Transcend. I make more money edit than I ever could straight typing
Plus, the benefits are pretty good. Insurance is a little high but it is everywhere.
I expect I and a lot of others will be also saying bye bye.
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they can expect all they want,
but you do not have to comply. When they send out their pleading "we need all the team helping on this" move past it. You cannot be productive or happy working 7 days a week for too long. White collar sweatshop is only there if we allow it.