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MTs for recruiters

Posted By: DL on 2006-04-04
In Reply to: Same thing happened to me - but don't - worry. please sm

Maybe instead of overworking the recruiters, those of us who want jobs should be hired as recruiters, MTs and QA people. At least we would know what NOT to do!!

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that's too bad..maybe it's the recruiters accusing others of being recruiters...
Now the recruiters have gotten
Take it to the job seekers board and post away.  I don't believe you are a happy MT.  It sounds like you want to recruit some happy MTs.
Those recruiters will say anything SM
to keep you talking to them.  Come back after you've spoken with the supervisor because I am willing to bet they aren't going to be flexible other than 30 minutes either way on a shift and definitely no 12-hour window.
Think what you wish? I know several recruiters
and they make much more than $35000.
Anyone know anything about these people? 
What's up with TT recruiters?
I emailed a resume with an immediate response.  Emailed back with question and then received a reply but now that I have emailed back, nothing for days and days. Makes me wonder.......
was it one of those RECRUITERS? lol
The recruiters for SS are just as bad!

All around smarmy situation here, worse than anything I've ever seen.  And I've been in this biz a long time... 

I loved when they sent around the memo to nominate them for MTSO of the year.    Were they serious or just rubbing in their nastiness? 

Exactly! Get rid of the recruiters, the
secretaries to the secretaries, the assitants to the assistant manager/supervisor, etc., most of the human resources personnel, even some of the so-called techs who don't know as much about computers as I do! Trim the fat in other places besides the ones who are actually producing the document which earns the company money! Why cut the ones generate actual REVENUE rather than the office fluff & executive-type positions?
Recruiters and their Styles

It seems the more telephone interviews I go through the stranger they become.  You really have to wonder how a lot of so-called MT recruiters ever got hired to recruit.  Where on this planet did these companies dig them up from?!!!  Sometimes you are asked the strangest questions.  It is usually like they don't even have your resume in front of them, never saw your test results, etc.  Ask them questions and try to get straight answers...What a nightmare...Any funny stories to tell???

I think the job of recruiters is to get people to

work for the company.  If you are qualified and past testing they want you.  Some recruiters get paid a bonus for each hire, others just need to have new hires to show they are doing their job.   I have had dealings with one recruiter who told me what a wonderful account they wanted me to work on, that people on it just loved it and there was rarely an opening so I should count my blessings.  I talked to the team leader and she told me about the account and how hard it was and that they couldn't keep MTs on it.  I had worked on that account at a different company and I knew for a fact how hard it was.   Fortunately for me the team leader was honest, because had I taken the job based on the recruiter I would have quit the next day.

I think a recruiter should be as honest as they can be because it costs money to hire and train and if the MT isn't going to stay because what she was told and what IS was to different things it doesn't look good.   I have had recruiters who are not/have never been MTs and they haven't a clue what you are talking about half the time.

I have adopted Oprah's advice - doubt means don't.   If I don't have a good feeling about a company I won't take the job.  

Have you asked their recruiters? -nm
Maybe it is one recruiter who works for several companies. A clique of one!
There are recruiters who work for more than sm
one company and they could play an obstacle game with an applicant who refused an offer from one company and applied to the other. People can be fickle and mean.
I see some QA/MT folks do become recruiters from

thread below.  Does anyone know how to break into this?  I believe I would be very good at this and I don't believe I have ever seen any ads for recruiters.

If I have never seen any ads, how do some of the recruiters who have been/are MTs/QA manage to find the positions that they do in order to allow them to change companies when some of us have never seen an ad to allow us to even enter that end of the field?

I would love to know because I think it would be very interesting.

Would you recommend just to start emailing all companies or calling them, or do you think it would be a waste of time?





Dear Recruiters: I would like to sm
know why you don't state in your job ad what kind of internet connection is needed.  Mainly, I would like to know if satellite is acceptable so I know whether or not to even pursue it.  Some do say so, but many do not.  I really just wonder why.  It wastes the time of the recruiter with useless email questions and the MT's time trying to find out. 
Recruiters: Thank you for sharing sm
I am really embarrassed for those people, but I am also having a good laugh. I bet you all really need to vent.  Do you have a network of recruiters where you can go?  I am glad to have a glimpse of your world.  Now I know why some of those ads are in caps - YOU MUST KNOW HOW TO DO THIS OR DO NOT APPLY!   Honestly, they sound hostile, and I skip by them, but at least now I know why. 
aren't we ALL recruiters for the
company we work for. Obviously we like where we work since we are employed there....and don't we all then recruit others who are in the job market....
I think most recruiters are full of HOT AIR, and -
during the recruiting/testing/hiring process, they promise a heckuva lot more than the company ever actually delivers. There are already too many 'suits' lurking on this board, as it is.
More Ditsy recruiters
A few weeks ago a recruiter from a company whose initials are SGS called me. She was not ditzy, just had no knowledge of business etiquette at all. I thought to myself that if it was this much of a pain to deal with them in a telephone conversation, what would it be like to work for them? I think a lot of these companies do not realize that the people they put on the phone are often the only chance they will get to make a good impression. This woman needed to go to charm school.
Actually, all the MTSO recruiters have been sm
at multiple companies over their careers, I don't think she is the only one.  I remember there was a Gary at Medscribe in Jacksonville who ended up at 3 other services over the years.
I'm not generalizing, but some of the MTSOs and recruiters

I've dealt with this past week are the most condescending, rude, obnoxious people I've ever "met"!!!!  Most of them aren't, mind you, but I've had a run of bad apples recently.  Most of them are very nice, personable, honest people.  But lately, it's enough to make me want to get out of the business again.  Just because a person is offering a job does not give them the right to be jerks.  However, it's a good thing it came out now instead of later before I wasted my time or energy any further with them.  Some of these people have such egos.  They treat potential employees as peons or nuisances, so you can imagine what they treat their employees like.  No wonder they're hiring again.  And again.  And again.  I believe in treating my fellow humans with respect and dignity.  There's no need to be rude or short-tempered, especially when YOU are the one that made the mistake.  If it's stressing you out that much, get out of the business!  Some people are just not management material.  Please, proofread your ad to be sure you didn't misspell anything or accidentally cut off all the important details when you copied and pasted.  Your professionalism, or lack of it, is glaringly apparent.  Also, put down a wage range.  After seeing my resume, do you honestly think I'd work for $.06-.07 per line?  Remember, the person you tick off today with YOUR bad attitude may have been the friend from another board yesterday or a possible account referral tomorrow.  I used to think highly of you.  Now the truth comes out.

Please post your name so recruiters know who to NOT hire.
If you want a company who doesn't care about quality, you must be well aware already that you can't provide any.

Wal-Mart is hiring.
One of the recruiters just resigned; I don't know if I'd believe what you heard. nm
I personally doubt most of the recruiters know each other.
It's my guess they don't know who each other is.
Recruiters changing jobs too. (sm)
One from MQ went to Precyse.  Now one from JLG I see is at All Type.  These are just 2 names I have noticed.  Guess I have been spending too much time checking out other jobs. 
And as easily as the recruiters move around SM
they also can remember all the difficult or nasty people they have had bad experience with at their old companies.  What a person sows at one company, they may reap when they try to move to another.
LOL. And with whom? Only good MTs make that much, not recruiters.
Do you want to be one? Write to the recruiters who posted
and maybe they will tell you. That kind of information could cost them their job if posted on a public board. Leave them alone.
Recruiters or mgmt should not be solicting
for employees on this particular board, it is for the MTs to share information about companies. I know this isn't an MT.
They are recruiters and get paid by the companies

they represent.   They represent the same companies that post on the job boards.  They don't get you more $$ or a better schedule.  They only represent a couple of companies and are going to refer you to one of them, whether it is a good fit for you or not.   If you decline a position you'll never hear from them again.

If you'll read the archives you'll find lots on them and all state about the same thing. 

Because recruiters get paid to recruit....SM
Would prefer to hear some opinions of those that have possibly already been there and done that.  Thanks for your input.  :)
Gosh you TT recruiters never give up do you?
Didn't you ever think recruiters post these..
Is everyone also aware recruiters are paid by SM
how many people are hired?  Many of the companys pay them like that.  Therefore, they are not working to place someone in a job that works for the MT and the company.  They want a job filled and they want to be paid.
It is my sincere hope that ALL RECRUITERS (sm)
have been reading this Board for the past couple of days. Hopefully, from this, they will understand the enormity of the fact that as MTs our discontent continues to escalate, nearing the point of boiling over to exiting this business. Then, where will they be. Without a job and unhappy. But we, on the other hand, will be okay, as we are highly intelligent at what we do and will figure out and make a way of finding our own accounts, which from what the MTSOs say, it very self-satisfying.
LOL typo... The recruiters in my experience
do *not* represent the company you are applying to work for. In other words, you get this professional friendly intro, but when the recruiter disappears from the picture so does the professional/pleasant demeanor.

Hmm. Initials at least please. I have talked to their recruiters but did not take the job too.
sups, mgmt, recruiters...
And whatever almighty names you wanna call yourselves. This is someone you can learn from.
I think recruiters nitpick on MT tests so they can
If you'd typed it verbatim, they probably would've dinged you for not cleaning up the grammar and punctuation.

They always win; we always lose.
Recruiters are usually hired from within. QA jobs are hard to come by, as they too are...sm
sometimes filled from within the company.
Any tips on handling recruiters who may not be honest?
I am just getting a weird feeling from a recruiter.  The recruiter told me three different starting rates of pay and asked me to tell her what she quoted two days ago.  I asked what percentage of MTs stay with them for a year.  She avoided the question.  The recruiter also could not explain the pay scale. Are recruiters required to be honest?  I find it hard to believe that she was being dishonest.  Maybe I am paranoid.  Do they generally care about the company they work for, or their job is done once they hire the MT?
Some recruiters are paid a head-hunting fee
if you're getting an uncomfortable feeling, don't ignore it.  It's your intuition speaking to you.
I have realized that many recruiters will say ANYthing to bring you on. Then you find out they are
Now we have two differenct scenarios for recruiters and both seem happy. I think that the sm
perception of recruiter is more of a head hunter mentality, not the reality.

The reality is that the recruiter we had, the one that this other company has and others we have run across are honest, trustworthy people who have a joint interest and loyalty to both the MTs and the companies.

It's a shame that there are one or two that cause generalization :(
What makes you think recruiters are paid on volume?
Most that I know are paid salary. Only a few pay on commission.
No! Recruiters HIRE people! You don't have that authority!
It is EXTREMELY misleading to come on this board and identify yourself as a recruiter of Keystrokes when you were never actually given such a position by the company. Keystrokes does not have recruiters. The owner posts open positions on the job board, people send in resumes, and they have people in HR who do the actual hiring. They do not have recruiters. You are putting the company that I work for in a bad light, and lots of us do not appreciate it. Please stop.
then you would known recruiters sign on, don't train. Get with your supervisor.
I think you need to know recruiters don't always give honest answers, either.
Oh so true. The majority of recruiters I have emailed (sm)
either don't give you the courtesy of a reply, or when they do get around to it 6 months later, you're already working somewhere else. I like your idea, but I don't think it would succeed. If they can't take 15 seconds to reply to receipt of your email with an automated message, I highly doubt they would reserve time out of their day to give attention to us on boards such as these.
MTSO managers, supervisors and recruiters.

Having been in this field way longer than I like to think, and having been in enough jobs over that time, I want to make a suggestion to the owners of MT businesses - It would be of great benefit to your business and the morale of your employees if there were performance reviews of supervisors, anonymously.  If it appears that employees leave often, it is very likely due to poor management.  

 I should not have to say this but just because a person is in a supervisory position, it should not mean they are right for that job and/or above making mistakes, even if the mistake is the inability to relate in a professional manner to others.  In this business, it is easier to find a new job than attempt to resolve issues such as this.  Morale is so important to keep a team functioning and performing and since there is so little interaction with the public, MTs have to rely on feedback from their supervisors to gauge their performance.  A bad supervisor can wreck havoc on an account. 

So, here is some advice.  If there is more than one employee who requires upper level assistance in dealing with a supervisor with a year, there is a good chance that particular supervisor is displaying some form of behavior that is negative, whether it be intimidation, showing favoritism, passive aggression, deciding how much money one MT as opposed to another makes by job allocation, rewarding OT to favorite MTs, condescending treatment, using forms of behavior to embarrass MTs, holding grudges and emotional abuse.

Now, I know the MTs are far from perfect but we are rewarded by that by eventually losing our jobs or making less money.  Whereas a supervisor is on salary and can ruin a person's day or even work life by having a supervisor who has personality disorders which border on neurotic.  (How is their family life????  Great gauge.)

I will look forward to seeing the responses.  Finding a good fit in a job is one thing but everything can be perfect except for personality conflicts with a supervisor and if it happens often enough that it is idlely spoken about, the supervisor should be asked to receive additional training so to perform their duties in a fashion that leads to high performance MTs and low employment turn around. 

Dealing with issues like this is a distraction that an MT should not be expected to do.  It is your job as a business owner to provide us with management which is doing that and only that, managing the accounts and not trying to play God.