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I agree..I would even, in this case, opt for abortion.....nm

Posted By: **** on 2009-05-05
In Reply to: Not! - Pink Ice

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I agree with abortion being a choice.
should everyone see an ultrasound beforehand?  I am for the choice to do as you choose.  I believe in freedom as well, but there are people out there that believe abortion is murder.  That is all I was stating above there.  What I am saying is that there are circumstances like some named in this thread that shall we say "warrant" an abortion, but those "rules" would need to be up to the lawmaker.  Are we only talking about teenage pregnancies or pregnancies after the age of 45?  What type of pregnancies are we talking about that the mother should look at the ultrasound beforehand?  There would be a lot of ifs, ands, and buts, for this to become a law, wouldn't some agree?  That is all I was stating there.  I think this may have been misinterpreted.  Of course, I believe a woman has the right to choose in regards to her own healthcare whether it be an abortion, a hysterectomy, or to have a fracture fixated.  All the same to me.  Sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is how I feel. 
If she'd had an abortion you would never even know about it.
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By not having an abortion.

Like I said, it's not ideal, but so many people are so judgemental toward people who have kids young - at least they didn't take the easy way out and get an abortion.  I am not a pro lifer, but I do respect people who are willing to step up and raise their kids no matter what age they are.  I have friends who were forced to have abortions by their parents because they got pregnant young because the parents were so afraid of what people would think, and that's not right either.


I don't think their mom is going to win any mother-of-the year awards, but if she didn't accept Jamie Lynn's decision than she greatly reduces her chances of having a good relationship with the grandchild.  Babies are a gift - even when they aren't born into the perfect suburban home.  I'm not saying teen pregnancy is a good thing, but it happened, and now she has to make the best of a tough situation.


I'm against abortion, as well.
If you're referring to recognizing their civil union as a marriage, I am against it.


If abortion is murder ...
How do you treat a woman who has had an abortion?   Do you treat her differently from a woman who strangled her newborn?  Or a woman who killed the neighbor lady because she wanted the neighbor man for her own?
Anonymous question regarding abortion (sm)

With this being a major factor in the political arena right now I wanted to ask this: 


For anyone who has ever had an abortion (and there are many of us), were/are you ok with it still or did you have a period of extreme guilt/anxiety over it?  I had one and did not terribly regret it, other than a short grief period, until I actually had children.  I went through about two years of horrible guilt and remorse.  I am now pro-life. I feel an abortion kills an innocent child and causes emotional scars for the mother that will never go completely away.  I feel that I am not deserving of complete happiness in my life, ever, because I denied my child the right to have a life and attempt to find happiness.  I know my reasons at that time and I know I felt like it was something I had to do, but the fact is many of us had them to avoid the shame, embarassment and/or financial burden that we feared.  We thought we couldn't give our child a decent life even if we had him/her.  The thing is, for the small price of some embarassment/shame and inconvenience, we could have given a family without a child a chance to have a child to love and raise, we could have given that child an opportunity to grow and seek happiness, even with obstacles to overcome.  Instead, many of us chose a more selfish route, convincing ourselves it was less selfish.  Anyway, that's how I feel about it.  How about you.


I'm pro-choice. Abortion is not murder. SM
Abortions are performed very early on in pregnancy. I'm afraid to say this, but basically, it is a lump of tissue. Women have to right to form their own opinion, but the idea a person is aborting a roly-poly fully formed baby is a crock. This is propaganda devised by right-winged fundamentalists, many of whom happen to be men.

I do believe in practicing safe sex, so abortion will not be needed. That is the ideal, but we are all only human.

No, I never had an abortion. I had my daughter at age 25, after being married 5 years. My daughter was married at 30 and had her first child at 31. We are both Pro Choice.

What about Gay Rights and FOCA (abortion) then?
hmmmm?

We can legalize Gays and Abortion but prostitution, pot, marijuana etc. (much lesser evils) should be "prosecuted heavily", oh come on .... It's all about "feeling good". If gays 'feel good' with each other and teenage moms 'feel good' to abort then what's your issue with pot or marijuana users? Don't they have a right to feel good with all the economic benefits for government?
Whoever said abortion feels good? nm
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Get over it. Abortion is legal, and American women
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No matter what laws are made, if women want to get an abortion
then they will. I have a couple of abortions prior to a marriage and prior to my 2 children. I have never so called suffered because of my decision, in fact I was young and could not have taken care of any children. I do not regret this decision. Either legal or illegal, makes no difference in a woman making the decision to seak an abortion.
Don't you remember Ronald Reagan's stance on abortion? sm
It was "I'm PRO-CHOICE. If the unborn baby has a choice, I am PRO-CHOICE."


You are correct: The majority of people would NOT vote for abortion
But they WOULD vote FOR Reproductive Choice. Speaking of "activist judges" - how do you feel about the handful that installed a War Criminal in our Whitehouse?
Yes, but abortion would be only taking the budding tomatoe, not the whole plant.
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no, abortion is taking a HUMAN life with a soul.
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and the crime rate dropped 20 years after abortion was legalized
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I am sure this is not always the case, but
I have had the cashier call me over if there was no one in her line even though I told her I had more than 10 items. She said she hates not having anything to do...Of course, as soon as I am finished loading my stuff here comes someone with 2 things in their hand! :-)
I don't believe this is the case.

Come with your opinions of spooning out meds.  Yoga is a great way to channel stress, but sometimes an SSRI for the long term is better.  As most of us know, if you don't have time to exercise, you will probably not do Yoga either. 


I have come the conclusion that older people are not as understanding of what SSRIs are used to treat.  You are not weak because you have anxiety and/or depression.  Most of the older generation think this is just being lazy.


I'm living proof it is not being lazy, it is an actual condition.  Don't make my mistake and wait until you crash and burn.  I'm still recovering from a severe anxiety attack that occurred almost a year ago.  My mind still raises at night.  My severe anxiety attack was due to a few different stressful situations all occurring at one time.  My brain/body could not tolerate all of that stress.  This field does not allow much in the way of vacations, but knowing what I know now, I take the vacations and DO NOT TAKE THE WORK WITH YOU WHEN YOU GO. 


Believe me, it will be there when you return.  I am still struggling with time off, but I have decided to take two days out of the week where I do not feel the need to WORK! 


Try this OP in addition to seeing your doctor.  Take some time off every week!  You will be amazed how much better you feel.


I want to believe that would be the case (sm)
I really want to believe that would be the case. If I can just get him to cooperate - I would love to be able to be friends with him and raise our children the best we possibly can.
In that case
when you send out invites to anything, I think you should stipulate no gifts. No gifts, no thank you cards. I think not sending a thank you note is just bad manners, no upbringing. I give money to charities and expect no response but an invite and getting gifts, only nice way to handle this.
If that is the case, I think what I have is really
better. If it runs off batteries, can it whisper sweet nothings in your ear, does it give you strokes, talk dirty to you at the appropriate times, etc? If this is no, think I will just stay with my best half.
Unfortunately that is not the case here.
With a family this size there have been a few losses. No one extremely young, but still losses. Like I said they lost her husband about 20 years ago and while there was definite grieving it was not like this at all and his death was very unexpected.
no not the case...
When it is just her and her mom she always calls. She says mom is driving me up the wall today or something to that nature. She loves her mom to death but sometimes they clash. She always talks when her mom is home. I am not JEALOUS. I am concerned because this is not her and I don't understand it. I am looking for opinions on postpartum depression, which if she does have it nothing I can do anyway. All I can do is send her a card and let her know I am there. But I have never seen anyone behave this way after giving birth. I guess there is a first for everything.
In my case, it does.
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in my case
Da#m husband. HA HA HA
Even if that's the case and they do in sm
fact get paid minimum wage (keep in mind, some make less and are expected to supplement with tips), $7.75 is still not an adequate amount added to the cheap $2 tip to make it worth the gas, insurance and wear and tear on one's car.  I stick to my OPINION that $2 is insulting.
In my case,
I'm the one who strayed. It's all my fault, because I married a man who I felt safe with instead of working through childhood traumas before trying to get married. So now I've been married forever and this near-perfect match came along, except for an impossible age difference. It honestly felt like I could not stop myself, though I never thought this would happen to me. The physical part lasted 6 weeks, and the infatuation lasted 6 months before that. I think this one person was unique, but without a good sex life at home, I'm certainly vulnerable to temptation in future. I did not and would not have ended it because I was ecstatically happy.

My husband is a good man, but I think I should divorce him to be fair, but financially it would be a disaster for both of us. Plus he doesn't want to split. All my friends' marriages are at the breaking point also.
Oh, in that case
I don't think I would call. I'd just leave it alone.

That just stinks if he doesn't hear anything though. They should atleast call him back and let him know. I hate when people say "I'll get back to you on Monday" and then don't. If that is the case, he might be better off not working for this guy. Or, you could think of it another way...maybe they are conflictd between 2 applicants and still trying to decide. They should atleast call him back though. That's what the secretary is for! lol
But in this case ...
My dog didn't want anything to do with the technician. If he came in the room, my dog growled and kept backing away from him. I will admit it was kinda neat looking to see the hair standing up on his back.
more on above - as I said in my case - sm
I do trust him BUT I would still wonder....in my case my DH did cheat on his first wife 2-3 x (I'm his 2nd wife--he did not cheat with with me, I did not even know him then, met him 3 years after his divorce) despite his paranoia of STDs, pregnancy, etc, though he was adament about using condoms so that kind of took care of his paranoia I guess. A few months ago my DH all of a sudden wanted me to buy condoms (we don't use a standard BC). I thought it rather odd since we have not used condoms since before the kids were born. I have just kept my eye on them and made sure the numbers have not changed as he has only used 2 of them since I bought them. He travels from time to time so has many the opp to cheat if he really wanted to (he's been out of town now for a month, home on the weekends). So while I trust him I am not blindly accepting that he will not cheat. He knows though if he ever did (and I caught him) I would divorce him over it and make sure I got full custody of the kids to boot, so I think that helps, that and I know he does love me still after 14 years together. So just keep the eyes and ears peeled and look for anything out of the norm. Good luck.
Jan. (in case you are the same jan)

Isn't Gy a unit of measure?


In this case, my DH had been her only - sm
sexual partner ever, and she his at that point. They were high school sweethearts, etc., married when he was 20, she was 19.
Just in case you want to know
I was at the animal shelter 1 day and a man brought in a dog, said it belonged to his son but his son left and the guy could not afford to feed the dog. He was asked if he had ever fed the dog since left there and the answer was yes. The people then informed the man he was legally responsible for the animal and he could be and would be held legally responsible for the dog. As far as their dog being in heat, your dog apparently has not been neutered or else even in heat they could not have mated, right? You have responsibility as a dog owner, also.
Maybe your way is the better way. But every case is different.
I could never ask my children for money. I suppose this is wrong, too.
I just cannot take their money for which they work so hard.
Last not least, I am the mother and them becoming 18 does not change much in the relation.

That is not the case --
My son had never been in my home before (we had not seen each other in 6 months) until last week. The minute he walked in the door and she came into the room, she started barking and growling and behaving in a manner that I had never seen before when a stranger entered my home. It has only gotten worse and I swear to you, he has not been in the house alone with her and she will not go into a room with him. He honestly did nothing to her to start it. Believe me, if he did, we would be estranged for another 6 months! that is why I am so out of ideas.

We have tried everything. He is really upset by it too. He has sat in the floor quietly and not said a word holding snacks for her, he has laid in the floor and not moved while placing the snackes within arm's length, and nothing works. She will not even go close to his shoes at the door without turning around and running back to my office and hiding.

She was not abused as a puppy (she came from family friends), but she did get parvo and have to be in the hospital for a week and I am wondering if something about him reminds her of something there. That is all I can come up with.
until the DNA is done in California (case)....they had

Well I do NOT believe Stern is the father at all........but Bahamian law is vastly diffferent from USA law....unfortunately.  But there is the DNA case in California ongoing......


I think they didn't want Daniel's DNA accessible and is why he is buried in the Bahamas.  However, Larry Birkhead may very well be the father.......so we will all still have to wait until the DNA case is over in California.


Patience............the truth shall prevail..................eventually....even if it takes decades..........it shall surface one day. 


Just in case you didn't know...sm
I initially had the same complaint as you with my Tracfone. About 95% of the time, if I technical issues, etc. and needed to call them, I would get someone who spoke very little English and was incredibly difficult to understand! As you know, extremely frustrating, especially when you are already annoyed with your phone not working.

At any rate, in case you didn't know, a lot of times you can avoid calling the company completely by going to their website at www.tracfone.com (I had the phone for a good 2-3 months before I was made aware of this). You can buy minutes and other accessories, add minutes, etc. The most convenient thing IMO is you can resolve a lot of techical issues online. All you need to do is register your account and go to technical support. There, you will find a list of common error messages. You can also activate or reactivate your phone. Usually any technical issues just involve clicking on the appropriate error message, entering your SIM card #, and you are given code(s) to enter into your phone. You usually do have to wait a few hours for this to go through. However, I still find it much less frustrating than calling the company.

If you already knew this, sorry about the long, drawn out reply, LOL.
The ONLY one I have ever felt for in their case is....

Years of therapy due to what both of her parents have done.  THEY have done it - nobody else - and the child is COMPLETELY innocent at 11....


In these cases, it's only the children who suffer...and these 2 nutcases should definitely know better, not like they are ill-educated and/or ignorant throughout the life.


Evidently they both need parenting classes and anger management classes....they have both created a very bad emotional situation for their daughter and personally she should probably be removed from their homes (possibly placed with a grandparent or some other relative) until these 2 nutcases CHOOSE to get themselves together.


 


I'm not going to jump on your case about this sm

But I wonder why you think these kids need to be told now? Has something happened that makes you think that someone besides their parents might let it slip? If that is the case, then maybe you need to talk to the parents about it and tell them that so-and-so found out and isn't good at keeping secrets, or whatever the case may be.


In any case, if you talk to anyone about this, talk to the parents.


If this was the case, then the doctor
should have had something like this posted in the office.  One would think.  I think $100.00 is a little high for a missed appointment anyway.  The standard is $25.00, but most offices have it clearly posted if that is the case.  Good luck!  Give 'em h-e-l-l------!!!!!!
Probably dust in case
It is very easy to open up case. Just look for some big screws holding case cover on. They usually just spin and you won't need any tools. After you get it off, used canned air to clean out the inside of case. Lots of dust can get on fans, boards, air vents and makes PC heat up.
No. In this case I believe in incompetence.

The rest of the time I believe in incredibly good luck, usually brought about because of someone else's incompetence. 


 


Why the civil case since
your son returned the stuff?

Perhaps something more could be worked out between the store, your son, and the police (or his counselor) so you needn't pay this fine.

In that case, Texas ought to be against also
because their capital punishment rates right up there with Florida and I would bet Texas is definitely into whuppings!
Is someone studying your case? (nm)
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I might go get it checked, just in case (sm)
With all the pool infections and such going around...has he been swimming in a public pool lately?
Just in case you don't know and can watch
this is what Oprah is about today.
Yes, the case was in Atlanta
The rings he took were from a young, married mother and her husband was relentless in finding out who did this. Not only was he able to recover his wife's rings but others saw the guy on TV and he also had committed crimes against their relatives. I definitely would ask about cameras that might be there. The home should want to assist.
In case nobody mentioned it,
the cat could have a UTI or kidney stones. However, I had a cat that started urinating on the bed because we introduced a dog to the family and she didn't like the dog. Then the littlest thing would set her off, like using the vacuum cleaner, or DH staying out late. DH would come home, flop into bed, and shriek in a most unmanly fashion after landing in cold urine. I talked to a cat behaviorist, who told me to put out 7 different litterpans with all different types of litter. I couldn't live like that.

A second young cat we adopted at about 6 months of age played much too rough with me and with another cat we had. I had to take her back also.


I think she's a verifiable nut-case! Even her own
so many kids. (It's the mom taking care of the 6 she already has, too.) And as soon as she got out of the hospital, Nadia went and started doing all this self-promotion on TV.

I watched the interview, and noticed something rather glaring about her. Her eyes never seemed to match what her mouth was talking about. (Sure sign of lying.)

I think this was all done in the name of publicity and hoping to make money off of it. The doctor was totally irresponsible for implanting her with so many embryos, to begin with, because of her age, number of kids she already has, and financial status. (I wonder who paid the bill for the implantations? I don't think Medi-Cal pays for things like that!)

Also, it was negligent of both the mother and doctor to her her carry all 8 of them. Even if she had 'only' 4, or 3, the chances of prematurity and developmental problems would go way up. I type this stuff every day - all these 'million-dollar babies.' Each one will probably be in the NICU for months, and cost for 8 of them will run in the millions. And that doesn't even take into account all the future assistance they're going to need - speech or physical therapy, IEP's if they have learning disabilities, special classes or schools, special equipment or tubes if they have breathing or feeding problems, the list is endless. And guess who indirectly pays for all of this?

If ever there was a case for MANDATORY STERILIZATION, this nut-job woman is definitely the most deserving.
Where I live that is not the case
All places have hooks and I have been in lots of restaurants as well as the nicer hotels in Las Vegas so don’t know where you are coming from.