I'm pro-choice. Abortion is not murder. SM
Posted By: Cece on 2008-09-18
In Reply to: Rest easy. Aborting is not murder. - never for a moment.
Abortions are performed very early on in pregnancy. I'm afraid to say this, but basically, it is a lump of tissue. Women have to right to form their own opinion, but the idea a person is aborting a roly-poly fully formed baby is a crock. This is propaganda devised by right-winged fundamentalists, many of whom happen to be men.
I do believe in practicing safe sex, so abortion will not be needed. That is the ideal, but we are all only human.
No, I never had an abortion. I had my daughter at age 25, after being married 5 years. My daughter was married at 30 and had her first child at 31. We are both Pro Choice.
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If abortion is murder ...
How do you treat a woman who has had an abortion? Do you treat her differently from a woman who strangled her newborn? Or a woman who killed the neighbor lady because she wanted the neighbor man for her own?
I agree with abortion being a choice.
should everyone see an ultrasound beforehand? I am for the choice to do as you choose. I believe in freedom as well, but there are people out there that believe abortion is murder. That is all I was stating above there. What I am saying is that there are circumstances like some named in this thread that shall we say "warrant" an abortion, but those "rules" would need to be up to the lawmaker. Are we only talking about teenage pregnancies or pregnancies after the age of 45? What type of pregnancies are we talking about that the mother should look at the ultrasound beforehand? There would be a lot of ifs, ands, and buts, for this to become a law, wouldn't some agree? That is all I was stating there. I think this may have been misinterpreted. Of course, I believe a woman has the right to choose in regards to her own healthcare whether it be an abortion, a hysterectomy, or to have a fracture fixated. All the same to me. Sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is how I feel.
Not by choice earlier in life, but now no kids by choice
When I was young we desperately wanted kids. We tried for years. (I never took birth control ever, and we even took fertility drugs and planned for multiple kids, just never worked out). Then went through a period of years where husband didn't want them but I did, then years where husband wanted them but I didn't, then about 15 years ago we both decided we didn't want them. We didn't even know what we wanted in life for ourselves and we figured if we couldn't figure out what we wanted why in the world would we bring kids into the world. Now I'm thankful we never did have kids and hope that we never do (I'm 52 with only one ovary - had ectopic pregnancy a few years back), but chances are I do not think we will ever have kids. Now I just cannot tolerate the kids. The little ones are very cute and we love hearing them play in our neighborhood. Some of the things they say are the funniest, but once they get to a certain age it seems like something in them transforms. When they lose the innocence of youth and start becoming little bullies talking back to their parents with their snotty attitudes we just always say, if he was my kid he'd never see the light of day again. Nothing drives me more insane to see the way some of these kids talk to their parents.
But now a days with all the bad going on in the country (around the world) and the country heading for disaster, and if the Mayan calendar is correct and in 2012 we see some major earth changes and the possibilities of civilizations being wiped out, who would want to put their kids through that.
So, I just say - I'm free of kids and loving it!
Yes, could be murder.
I said these same things to my husband this evening. I thought it odd that her now husband supposedly called the ET show and stated he was worried about Anna because she had a fever. They have money -- why not call a doctor instead of a TV show? Was he setting the stage? There are so many things that could have happened.
Am I the only one that thinks this could be murder?
When her son died, Anna's mother went on TV and said that she thought he was murdered and said that she thought Anna was in danger. Now Anna is dead.
There are a lot of people who are now going to profit now that both of them are dead. The old billionaire's family now has a pretty good chance of keeping their money. So the billionaire's family could have paid to have them both killed. At the very least, they are saving millions in attorney fees.
If she does still have a claim to that money, her infant now is the sole heir to that, and the remaining parent stands to also get a huge part of that. Her lawyer/husband now will inherit everything if he really is the father. So, he could have killed them both for profit.
Then, there is the ex-boyfriend who wants his kid. He could have killed her off to try to get his kid back and get a stake in the billionaire's fortune also.
And all of them had to know that since she always slurs her speech and has problems with drugs and alcohol, the public could easily buy that it was an accident or suicide.
Phil Spector murder trial. Anyone
been watching that on Court TV? Don't you think Phil Spector, with his "new hair do", looks like Pee Wee Herman???? LOL.
They have been off for the past 2 days due to one of the defense lawyers having to go to the hospital. Kind of interesting to watch trials on T.V.
well he pardoned a serial rapist that went on to murder
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Rest easy. Aborting is not murder.
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Look at this headline "Michigan Teens Murder, Dismember Sex Offender (sm)
This man was ambushed, murdered, beheaded and burned. The headline says these teens murdered a sex offender. Way down in the article it says that this man 9 years ago at age 17 had sex with a 14 year old. That was his offense. It does not say he raped her. While I agree he should not have had sex with a 14 year old, I think it is very unfair that after he suffered such a horrible death the headline reads that a sex offender was murdered. The article also says that his being a "sex offender" had nothing to do with why the boys murdered him, they just did it to do it. How sad that after his death, that is what they post about him!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071113/ap_on_re_us/burned_torso
How pompous! I'm a single mom and I didn't "breed" - I chose not to murder a baby. sm
yep, I'm a single mom and I'm proud of it. I was in a very stable long-term relationship and I ended up getting pregnant while on the pill. But I didn't "breed" as you put it. You breed cattle, not babies.
If she'd had an abortion you would never even know about it.
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By not having an abortion.
Like I said, it's not ideal, but so many people are so judgemental toward people who have kids young - at least they didn't take the easy way out and get an abortion. I am not a pro lifer, but I do respect people who are willing to step up and raise their kids no matter what age they are. I have friends who were forced to have abortions by their parents because they got pregnant young because the parents were so afraid of what people would think, and that's not right either.
I don't think their mom is going to win any mother-of-the year awards, but if she didn't accept Jamie Lynn's decision than she greatly reduces her chances of having a good relationship with the grandchild. Babies are a gift - even when they aren't born into the perfect suburban home. I'm not saying teen pregnancy is a good thing, but it happened, and now she has to make the best of a tough situation.
I'm against abortion, as well.
If you're referring to recognizing their civil union as a marriage, I am against it.
Anonymous question regarding abortion (sm)
With this being a major factor in the political arena right now I wanted to ask this:
For anyone who has ever had an abortion (and there are many of us), were/are you ok with it still or did you have a period of extreme guilt/anxiety over it? I had one and did not terribly regret it, other than a short grief period, until I actually had children. I went through about two years of horrible guilt and remorse. I am now pro-life. I feel an abortion kills an innocent child and causes emotional scars for the mother that will never go completely away. I feel that I am not deserving of complete happiness in my life, ever, because I denied my child the right to have a life and attempt to find happiness. I know my reasons at that time and I know I felt like it was something I had to do, but the fact is many of us had them to avoid the shame, embarassment and/or financial burden that we feared. We thought we couldn't give our child a decent life even if we had him/her. The thing is, for the small price of some embarassment/shame and inconvenience, we could have given a family without a child a chance to have a child to love and raise, we could have given that child an opportunity to grow and seek happiness, even with obstacles to overcome. Instead, many of us chose a more selfish route, convincing ourselves it was less selfish. Anyway, that's how I feel about it. How about you.
What about Gay Rights and FOCA (abortion) then?
hmmmm?
We can legalize Gays and Abortion but prostitution, pot, marijuana etc. (much lesser evils) should be "prosecuted heavily", oh come on .... It's all about "feeling good". If gays 'feel good' with each other and teenage moms 'feel good' to abort then what's your issue with pot or marijuana users? Don't they have a right to feel good with all the economic benefits for government?
Whoever said abortion feels good? nm
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I agree..I would even, in this case, opt for abortion.....nm
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Get over it. Abortion is legal, and American women
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No matter what laws are made, if women want to get an abortion
then they will. I have a couple of abortions prior to a marriage and prior to my 2 children. I have never so called suffered because of my decision, in fact I was young and could not have taken care of any children. I do not regret this decision. Either legal or illegal, makes no difference in a woman making the decision to seak an abortion.
Don't you remember Ronald Reagan's stance on abortion? sm
It was "I'm PRO-CHOICE. If the unborn baby has a choice, I am PRO-CHOICE."
You are correct: The majority of people would NOT vote for abortion
But they WOULD vote FOR Reproductive Choice. Speaking of "activist judges" - how do you feel about the handful that installed a War Criminal in our Whitehouse?
Yes, but abortion would be only taking the budding tomatoe, not the whole plant.
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no, abortion is taking a HUMAN life with a soul.
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and the crime rate dropped 20 years after abortion was legalized
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DH's choice
This is the dog my DH says we can have! He is 5 years old. He has been a show dog, but he finds it too boring, so we get to adopt him .... if Sasha approves of him. Do you think he's pretty?
http://www.synama-wintersweet.com/trey.asp
I am told this is an excellent line for show Siberians. You can tell who the champions are (to see their other dogs, click "Our Siberians" tab at the top) by the CH before their names. 
don't have a choice....
have to get the kids off to school, but most of the time still in my pjs
My choice . . .
Denzel Washington, Paul Newman, Robert Redford.
Again, you do not know whether they had a choice
or not. This is simply your opinion that they did not have a choice. Yes, teenage girls, or boys, for that matter, can be married with the consent of their parents. Again, we do not know the facts in this case. You have even gone as far as saying the men are "old and stinky." How exactly do you know this? You do not... That is simply your opinion. I have lived in St. George, Utah, which is very close to an area where these people live, and I have seen many young (20s-30s), what I would consider attractive men, married to these women. It is best not to stereotype people, especially when all of the facts are not available.
It is not your choice...
As I stated above, it really is NOT your choice! She could REQUEST leave, or a reassignment, but nothing is saying that it will be approved! Especially in the Marines! There aren't always, "ways to get around that."
choice-
gay is a choice sort of like being male or female is a choice, sort of like having brown eyes is a choice, sort of like being tall is a choice. Whatever. One does not choose to be gay nor does one decide to be gay.
Of course I do! I'm an MT- I have no choice!
If I want new clothes, you can't beat Walmnart's prices, plus they usually have some of the cutest clothes.
The rest of the time, I go to Goodwill and Thrift Stores. Just found great new one in the East Bay Area (CA) called Thrift Town, and got a perfect-fitting pair of Levi's for $3.50, and two lightweight hoodie workout-type jackets for $1.00 each. Can't beat that!
yes to both..but by choice, not by force.sm
some docs get caught up on their dictations while on holiday. I am alone and have nothing better to do anyway, so why not make some extra cash. but that's just me. good luck in your search.
ok-it's about choice-don't be intimate....sm
don't forget in the USA (outside of Alaska) there are 10 women for each man.......40 years ago it was 8 men for each women but we know how those numbers changed.....15 minutes out of 24 hours or 2x's a week being intimate for an hour in a 168-hour week - is too much to ask for? *curious*
Sounds like they don't have a choice, it's where YOU want them to be.
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Being overweight sure is a choice, just like sm
smoking cigarettes or doing drugs is a choice. If you are making the right food choices, exercising, drinking water, or even following a Weight Watcher's plan, you will lose weight, unless you have a problem with one of your organs where you retain "water weight". I, quite frankly, am tired of people sitting around asking "how do I lose weight" when they are not making good food choices and not staying active? If you have trouble with arthritis, then you can do aqua therapy (get in a pool even if it is heated). Anything that gets your heart rate up is exercise. The "government" is not at the grocery store holding your hand or at that fast food restaurant making you buy those burgers. I'm sorry, but that is JMO. 
That is a great choice.....by the way,
lots of people talking about her and I wondered if anyone else noticed her wrist is constantly bandaged or sometimes has loads of bracelets. I can make a good guess on that but will not state here. Just a thought.
We do have a choice. We can choose to keep our
undies on and not engage in sex or we can choose some form of birth control (albeit it fails from time to time).
That was her choice, not mine
it was her first marriage and she paid for it. I paid for the rehearsal dinner. She is the kind that does not want outside assistance, not from me and so I never BUTT in. It is probably nice for daughters who want their mother involved, mine happens to just want to be the 1 who does it by herself. Very independent and always like that. She never asked me to pay for anything - I volunteered for the dinner.
Unfortunate choice by...
...his parents for a name, but he was born before Pol Pot came to power, which isn't even a true name, but the shortened version of Politique Potentielle. Maybe the similarity in names was part of the blame for the bullying Paul Potts endured while growing up.
Nevertheless, I didn't even think of the mass murderer when hearing this man's name. Maybe because I read the name before hearing it.
I thought with all the discord on some of the other threads, the unhappiness with jobs, offshore issues, and not to mention the garbage we all hear on the news every day, that this man's story would be a welcome change. It isn't often we hear of the good stuff that happens or the inspirational moments in people's lives. I wish I had left out his name in the original title of the thread!
It's not a choice, It's a child. NM
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A 14 -15 y.o. CANNOT make that choice and for a
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They have a choice to find another job, yes? nm
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They usually have to discuss their choice with
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Your drink of choice?
Tonight I will be having club soda, cranberry juice and vodka with a twist of lime. Maybe two.....
I have a liquor cabinet filled, so what can I get ya?
hard choice
The choice to rent or buy is tough. I was a single mom up until a year ago. I had bought a home; however, I think I would have been better renting. When you buy, there is a lot to take care of on your own. It's hard with the unexpected things that come up. Then again, if you rent, a landlord could be tougher for a woman to deal with to get them to take care of things. In this economy, buying is scary, too.
I think it is her body, her choice, and
her business. In the same category with men donating sperm or couples going to a fertility clinic.
first trimester that is.
lol yeah, that was my first choice.
the store I went to last night didn't have them, so had to go out today, so too late for the crock pot. Thank you anyhow :-)
Childfree by choice?
Just wondering how many of you out there have made the decision to NEVER have kids. I'm 25, and have known for a long time that I never wanted kids. As time goes on, and I meet new co-workers with kids (and hear how unhappy a lot of them seem to be deep down), I feel even more relieved that I'm never having any.
One big reason why I know having kids isn't for me is because I have Asperger's Syndrome. Not only is it hard enough to just get through day to day life and take care of myself, but I simply wouldn't be able to handle the stress of parenting- I know my limits. Also, according to my Dr. (who is one of the most familiar with Asperger's in Baltimore), there would be a high likelihood of my child having a disorder somewhere along the autism spectrum. I know I couldn't handle a well-bahaved child (I just don't like being around kids in general), let alone raise a child with special needs.
Given that I have AS, I'm thankful that I have well above-average intelligence to at least partly compensate for other eccentricities. And I'm also fortunate enough to have a good, well paying, stable gov't job, where even if I'm not Mr. Popularity, I am still known to do a really good job (and on the bright side, even if I pi*s people off-which I have, it's not like they can fire me). So...since day to day living and working is hard enough for me, I want to have some time to have fun, and if I had kids I simply wouldn't have the capacity to raise them properly and have time to do things that are important to me.
The colors would not be my first choice, but...
I would move into it in a hot New York minute. It beats the baby-puke green house at the end of my cul-de-sac. I think it looks kind of funky and here where I live funky is a good thing. Of course it depends on what part of town you live in too. LOL.
No, unless of course the foster kids of choice
include the more difficult ones because a lot more money is paid monthly for them. I knew of a couple who took in only the more difficult kids, a bunch at a time and made a killing off these kids, now well off and retired and enjoying live and want nothing to do with any of them. Never did really. Sad.
If you have no choice to open up the door - sm
just say that now is not a good time for a visit and to call before coming next time (because you work from home and cannot just drop everything when someone pops by)(add that on if you chose to). They may not like hearing any of it but tough cookies. If you are out of sight, just don't answer the door, if it happens often enough maybe they will think to call first next time and you can again say no, or to nip the visits in the bud say you are quiting that church and to please stop calling you. I am in the boonies and get the occasional church groupie visits of various faiths, I just tell them "not interested" and they go on their merry way without a fight for the most part. Good luck.
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