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Interesting. I have always sad that sadly it is the bible itself

Posted By: sm on 2007-08-18
In Reply to: Even biblical scholars do not believe the Bible is the word of God (sm) - Apple Scruff

that prompts some people to become atheists because some of it is downright scary.

It has often been said that when it comes to the Bible most devout Christians boldly declare their belief in the "infallible word of God", demanding that every single word be taken literally, without exception.

But when it comes to the awkward verses including the cruel and unusual punishment ordered by God and Jesus, slaying of innocent animals and children, etc., the extreme testing of one's faith, clearly they tend to ignore them or interpret them VERY differently.

Funny, isn't it?


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To the teacher? Sadly, nothing. To my son: SM

I just told him that sadly some people don't believe in Angels and God, but that we know they are for real.  I told him about different things that have happened in our lives that showed us that they were real and told him we should just remember to pray for his teacher at night and to just not talk about it with her at school. 


I was really mad at her and practiced in my head what I wanted to say to her, but unfortunately (or fortunately) I never had the guts to confront her about it.  I thought I was over it (this happened 8 years ago!), but I'm feeling angry all over again right now.  Oh well...let it go Chickadee! :)


Chickadee


Yes, it is hot in Miami and sadly quite
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Sadly, what you say is 100% true.

That whole moving because of hubby's job always frosts my arse for some reason.  Maybe I'm jealous, I don't know, but I can't ever see myself falling for such a maneuver, no matter how much money it meant.  Some things you just can't put a price tag on.  Man, I'm a tough old broad.



Sadly no edit button.
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Sadly, I know the answer without having to look it up - it was the Divinyls.
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Yes I do! Sadly, I love my husband
"out of duty" - he is my child's father. BUT I am in love with someone who I "want" to be with. He has been my best friend for 2 years - never had sex but we know everything about eachother and can talk about anything. We talk ALL day long on emails - not mushy stuff - just real talk. And we end them with "in another life" because we just know that it would be the only way for us to be together.
"This country is too far gone..." Sadly, I agree.

Just about every decision that is made by our esteemed lawmakers seems to have a money trail somewhere, and that is so sad.  Whoever has the most money, wins.  It's also sad that the government is seemingly no longer "by the people, for the people," and our constitution is trodded on day after day.  The very freedoms our parents and grandparents fought for in wars are slowly being stripped away.  Two words--"Patriot Act."  I still can't figure out where the "patriot" part of that whole abomination comes into play. 


Sigh...and so we just all keep on doin' the best we can and the world keeps a' turnin. 



 


 


Sadly they would probably be better off in the foster care system.
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sadly it doesn't feel at all like Christmas to me...
I mean on the one hand I am so thankful and blessed for all that I have and all that I am able to do, I know this..

Three weeks ago I moved from Nevada to South Carolina to be closer to my 4-month old niece (my sister's husband is stationed at Camp Lejeune) Thanks to MT, I could pick up and go... However we are so far from home and even though I adore my niece (hello i moved to be closer to her!!) It is really not the same without my parents (who are still in California where we grew up) and my older sister who lives in Nevada where I do.

I miss the dinner my dad cooks, I miss just spending time with them, even though I am happy to be in the company I am. if that makes sense. come on I miss the family fights!!!

On the other hand, I did absolutely NO shopping this year, which really puts me in a sour mood as well. I just simply didn't have the money and with the economy getting worse, it just wouldn't be smart to keep adding to my already mile high debt... So that is another reason I am not feeling Christmas this year.

Christmas is normally my favorite time of the year... the lights, the happiness, just the season for being "merry".

I am a happy person and above I said I am blessed. I know these things, but it's a sad Christmas this year. Even though that precious face below makes me light up like never before...
I miss my home and I wish they would move closer :(

That is me being selfish, I know!!!

I am hoping my spirit lifts tomorrow and I'd really like to bake some cookies. My brother in law wants snickerdoodles and I wanted to try those, never have before. any good recipes?

I know things will pick back up. This was a huge move for me, I left all the people I knew and loved and it is definitely an adventure and I'm proud of myself, don't get me wrong. The holidays ALWAYS put you in a certain kind of mood!!! :)

I wish everyone the best and can't wait for the start of a new year!! Merry Christmas


Sadly, though, many ARE that wasteful and spoiled by their luxuries. sm
As MTs, I think we fall into a rather frugal subset of the population, perhaps both because we aren't in the higher income brackets (though, having said that, I'm expecting some s******s to chime in that he/she is making $100K a year and only working part time because her left thumb alone can do 300 lph) and also because, perhaps, we're used to looking at how the little things (like spaces and punctuation and all the minutiae) add up in aggregate.

I have my favorite things on which I splurge, but I can otherwise squeeze a penny with the best of 'em, as I suspect many, if not most, here can, as well.

But, yeah, there are people who hire others to do even their most routine tasks and chores, or who run the A/C in summer with open windows, or drive the Hummer the 1/2 block to the 7-11....
Sadly, it seems that simple kind gestures in life
are no longer taken for that - they are either considered some evil, twisted, perverted gesture or go unnoticed because of the society we have become.

So little is done face-to-face anymore with all the modern technology we now have - and, as great as it can be, a lot has been lost along the way. I can't keep thinking had we not progressed so rapidly and so far would common courtesy of others be so far removed from us as it is now....

NOW - if you sent an email card I bet you'd get a response! LOL (my cynical sense of humor!)

Bless you - I would love to get a card like that from a neighbor who was being complementary! Dn't stop - someone, somewhere will figure it out and say "thank you" or "how are you doing today" - all the good guys can't be gone or in hiding!
Sadly, I work because I'm a workaholic..too many years of being a single parent..
Most days it helps keep my sanity, and quite honestly, I do have older children from another that I choose to help put through college and pay their bills until they are out of school. That is something I contribute. My husband pays for everything else and we do like cruises..and just traveling.  We have a place in Hawaii and Las Vegas is one of our favorite places to go..and even then, I take my computer along and work. Nothing better than working away from home, change of scenery.  My husband hasnt "worked" in probably 20 years..he owns commercial property and manages that which there is not a lot to do with. His sister and he own the property and she does the bookkeeping part leaving him with not a lot to do..but I keep him busy . It is hard because he has always traveled and likes to go all the time..whereas I like working..The property is up for sale so I guess if it sells then I might retire..maybe..I'd probably go nuts sitting around, and even when I'm on vacation..I freak out if I am not working.. Yeah.. it's an addiction..bad.. I wonder if anyone else in this biz has the same problem. I've always worked 2-4 jobs..but the obsession has gotten worse when I started working at home..Anyone else not being able to relax and smell the roses???
Did you know that the Bible says

to go to someone who has something against you and make it right?  It doesn't just say that if  YOU did something wrong, make it right but that if there is something you can do, you should do it.  I bring this up because you thank the Lord for your many blessings, and he is the one who wrote that book called the Bible, so that is His opinion on your situation, in case you are wondering. 


I am shocked that, concerning your son dying, you turned the statement around and said what if something happened to you?  You are missing every point anyone tries to make.  That must because you know you are right.  Well, people who are convinced they are right, sometimes find out later that they were not.  But then it is often too late.  It will be interesting to see your response.  I'm sure it will again state how wonderful your life is and how you have done nothing wrong. 


Here's what the Bible says about sin ..
We are all born in iniquity.

Gluttony is a sin. Those who have a propensity toward gluttony (i.e., obesity) must strive against it, bringing the physical man under subjection to the spiritual man.

Sexual immorality is a sin, involving illicit relationships outside of marriage, beastiality, homosexuality, incest. Those with a propensity toward this sin must strive against it to bring the physical man under subjection to the spiritual man.

Just because people are born into sin does not mean we are licensed to continue living in it.


The Bible
Yes, the Bible was written by men, men who were INSPIRED by God. It is the infallible Word of God.

If you want good evidence for this, I suggest you check out "The Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh Mcdowell. It is not a light read, but it is amazing. This man started out as an atheist who set out to prove there was no God and instead became a Christian.

Jesus is the same as He was then, now, and will be. So is His Word.
Maybe you should read more than just the bible...
Some interesting info can be found about this subject. Here is some: Everyone, religious or not, believing in God or not, transitions to the spirit world as part of the natural process of life. Just as one does not need to be religious to live in the physical world, one does not need to profess a particular faith to live in the spirit world. Thus while one does not have to be religious to dwell in the spirit world, one inevitably will benefit from a thorough understanding and practice of a particular tradition. This said, however, it needs to be recognized that not all teachings described as religious are beneficial. Religion which is judgmental, prejudicial, critical, and narrow may impede the spirit's natural growth.
Where in the Bible does it say what stores--sm
can and cannot sell?? Point out that *scripture* to me..please! The Bible also says *love one another as you love yourself*.
And I'm against the bible-thumpers!
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No - no place for a bible
I know this is going to infuriate a lot of people, but in my opinion the bible does not belong in the classroom. If someone brings one in but keeps it their desk drawer or backpack to read on their own time that is one thing, but to keep it out in plain site? There is a place for that - it is called church. In this day and age there is such a multitude of people of different religions. How would anyone like it if I was an instructor of your child and I kept the Satanic bible or books of other religion out in plain site - don't think you would like it.
The Bible and its interpretations
There are multiple versions of the Bible, and many with different interpretations. How do YOU know which is the "correct" interpretation? Even the experts and historians have given the Bible different interpretations. Unless you are Christ himself I guess you can't possibly know. And I am a Christian. I have faith in God and I know Jesus died for me so don't jump all over me for accepting the reality of different interpretations of the Bible.
Bible believers
Where are all of you who take the bible literally? It does speak of people being possessed.

I don't think that what was happening, but people didn't know what various issues were (seizures, mental illness, etc.), so they came up with an explanation that made sense to them at the time.

But I am wondering why those of you who take the Bible literally don't seem to think this woman could be speaking the truth (or are you just not commenting)?

I'm sorry to the poster for your mom, you, and your child. There is mental illness in my family, and I remember seeng/hearing my aunt saying she had demons in her eyes (when I was quite young). She was so mentally ill, she really looked like she did have them!! It freaked me out.
To me this post is not really just about the Bible sm
but opinions/beliefs. Your mother had no need to talk about those things - just as you probably would not have wanted her to make a racist comment or an inappropriate sexual remark. She was out of line and if she cannot respect your house rules - then she needs to stay away. We all have opinions - we need to know when they should be shared.
I never once mentioned the Bible and have...
read the OP's post. I also addressed that she says the children are not fond of their father, but have also heard my own mother say that about me--UNTRUE. Personally, I think life is too short to put your needs ahead of your children's. If you do not agree with me, that's fine, too, but I stand behind what I said.
Just like the bible, they contradict themselves....all the time ;)
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But this is definitely not Bible prophecy being fulfilled
The Bible clearly states it will be a mark (computer chip?) in the hand or forehead, not a card in our wallet. The day I am told I am required to have something implanted or tattooed or whatever on my body is the day I move up into the mountains, learn how to hunt and fish, build a cabin out of logs and weave my own cloth.
Is this only Bible study or does it involve anything else? nm
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We have Bible study but we also have a lot of get-togethers. It is a very sm
"light" class. A lot of fun. Great relationships between the couples. To me, it's just great therapy.
Well, yes only Christians because you have to swear on the Bible. How can you sm
swear on something that you don't even believe in?

Besides, the latest polls show that 80+% of Americans believe that they are Christians. That's a huge majority.

Also, if they were not Christians and were running, I would certainly like to know their personal values and what their value system is based on if it isn't the Bible. Again, they swear in on the Bible, that's not just opinion.
Should he be allowed to keep the Bible on his desk?
Apparently, it's just sitting there. He's not teaching from it.

A Mount Vernon science teacher said yesterday that he will refuse to remove a Bible from his classroom desk, despite his school district's order.

"Thousands of citizens in this community have built their lives on deeply held religious convictions, and it is for them that I stand today," John Freshwater, 51, who teaches at Mount Vernon Middle School, said in a news release.

The religious activist Dave Daubenmire, Freshwater's friend, acted as his spokesman yesterday. "This is not a religion issue; this is a free-speech issue," Daubenmire said. "He didn't take the Bible to read to anybody."

Mount Vernon Superintendent Steve Short said Freshwater's characterization of the events leading to the district order that he remove religious items from his classroom was "not entirely accurate," but Short wouldn't elaborate.

The district later released a one-paragraph statement saying that district officials don't oppose religion but are required "under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution to protect against the establishment of religion in the schools. As a public school system the district cannot teach, promote or favor any religion or religious beliefs."

Freshwater and Daubenmire believe that separation of church and state "is a fraud" and that the framers of the Constitution never intended it to be practiced the way it is today, Daubenmire said.

The district asked Freshwater last week to remove the Ten Commandments from the door to his classroom and remove the Bible from the view of students. About 3,900 students attend Mount Vernon schools. Mount Vernon is about 52 miles northeast of Columbus.

Freshwater took down the Ten Commandments but decided that being prevented from taking a Bible into the classroom was going too far.

In the past, Freshwater has taught his students about the "holes in evolution" and intelligent design, the theory that a supernatural power created complex forms of life, Daubenmire said.

"Would our government ask a follower of Islam to remove her burqa in order to teach school?" Freshwater said in his written statement. "Would we ask a science teacher to remove The Origin of Species from his desk merely because the origin of man has never been proven?

"I cannot with a clear conscience follow a directive that makes religion and the religious viewpoint any less credible by those who deem themselves more enlightened."

Freshwater wouldn't answer questions directly because of the likelihood he will file a lawsuit charging "viewpoint discrimination," Daubenmire said.

Daubenmire is the former London High School football coach whose district was sued in 1999 by the American Civil Liberties Union because he led his players in prayer at games, practices and meetings. The district settled out of court, and its insurance company paid the ACLU $18,000 for court costs.

You're very wrong. The Bible is very much up for

I had a baptist pastor tell me that I should not marry out of my race and that it's in the Bible...  So what do you say to that? 


Believe what you want and interpret it how you want, but then don't say that others are sinners when you are not GOD!


I do believe the Bible, I just don't want my mom scaring my kids (sm)
And she used "swearing on the Bible" as a way to further convince the children that she had seen demons and ghosts, as if they weren't scared enough. That was the kicker...that really scared them even more.
Are you rejecting religion and the Bible or God?

I have problems myself with organized religion; however, I have personal proof of life after death, which leads me to believe in a Creator.  Just curious about where you're coming from.


There may be one judge, but the Bible is quite clear that any person
who denounces God will not go to Heaven.  I am very comfortable in the fact that I have salvation.
No thanks, the Holy Bible is THE written authority to me!
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take your bible thumping to the religion board.
Another good example of a CARNAL "Christian" calling people pathetic and nauseating, a fine example of "love thy neighbor as thyself." LOL
great post ks and who invented the Bible?

My opinion is that men interpreted the bible(s) of the world....women had little say, and GOD HAD NO stuff to write with.......men certainly did succeed and put their *slant* on things to control.....yeah, to control........is my belief and my opinion and I'm sure at least dozens others here too...and even more in the grander scale of things, not just those on online bulletin/message boards.



Again, I follow what the Bible says, that homosexuality is sinful &
support homosexuality by selling items of that nature is not where I will be shopping.  You can try to twist this around every way possible, but I am not judging anyone. God will do that.  No, I do not associate with gay people, but that does not mean that I would not be pleasant to someone who is.  I don't agree with the gay lifestyle, I don't shop at stores that sell homosexual items, and you can make me out to be the bad guy all you want.  I believe in what I believe.
I'm not a Bible scholar, but I can try to explain what Matthew was saying...
He wasn't saying that everyone who goes to synagogues are hypocrites. In his time, he was saying that there are some people who went to synagogues who were hypocrites.
Matthew's Gospel is written for a Jewish audience, or maybe I should say, from the perspective of a Jew speaking to other Jews. He is describing a situation that we still see today, people who proclaim themselves religious and call attention to themselves, but don't really live faith. In this particular verse, he describes something that his audience would be familiar with. They were Jews and they went to synagogues. They most certainly would have known people who called attention to themselves and proclaimed that they were righteous. Meanwhile, they really didn't live righteous lives.
Today we know that scenario can refer just as easily to someone who sits in the front pew at a church on Sunday, but then spends the rest of the week being evil to his fellow human beings. We also know of people who proclaim Islam, but carry out terrorist acts.
The Bible was written thousands of years ago, of course. So we have to try to think of it from that perspective, and then carry the lessons forward into the present time.
Does that make it as clear as mud? :) Like I said, I'm not a Bible scholar, but I did want to try to explain it so that you wouldn't think there was a hateful agenda hidden in the verse.
Great news! Thanks! Definitely the bible of anyone doing surgery. :) nm
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Even biblical scholars do not believe the Bible is the word of God (sm)
They recognize the Bible as written by humans. I just finished a very insightful course at my local university with an extraordinary instructor who is a minister and very learned scholar of the Bible. It opened my eyes and reaffirmed my beliefs (or lack thereof).
It is the Holy Bible which includes both new and old Testaments. nm
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The Bible is also pretty clear when it says judge not lest ye be judged.
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i find the science in the Bible pretty tangible,
ie, that this world is a sphere, suspended in heaven (vs. flat), about the paths/currents under the sea, and more -- these were written WAYYYYYY before 'man' discovered same. Those are tangible facts or science. However, science nowadays isn't necessarily fact -- too much theory purported as science...
People who use the Bible as a weapon or excuse to control
others are NOT Christian. My God isn't a misogynistic control freak, so bye-bye. I like your aunt's saying. I'm going to have to remember that one.
Yes, but keep in mind ks that Christian's follow EVERY word of the Holy Bible
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Well, sorry but it's been the most interesting
and humorous thread on this board in a long time! lol
That is interesting! (sm)
My son and his girlfriend (early 20s)wizzed through it in a day.

My daughter, who just turned 20, wants to savor it, just like you. She is so sentimental because having just turned 20 and with this being the end of the HP series, she feels it is the end of an era of sorts. I believe she began reading HP in her first teen year, so this book was with her throughout all her teen years.

The other 2 are chomping at the bit to talk to her about it, but she's just taking her time...

Hope you enjoy it! I don't read HP, but maybe when I retire, I'll take it up :-)
Very interesting!

I haven't had a solid night sleep in YEARS.  I wind up taking Tylenol PM here and there when my insomnia gets really bad but I'd be curious to see if it would help--price seems right anyway!  My problem is I can't get my head to turn off...the voices...all the damn voices.


   


   


Wow, that's interesting
and something I never knew. My husband works at a car dealership and we lease very three years. I love getting a new car every three years. I'm due another one in December. On the other hand he has an older car that I'm sure we'll keep for sometime so we don't have another car payment.
interesting you should say that
My sister did this also when she was younger and she has such guilt from it. Years later when she found out she was pregnant, she had a lot of emotional issues; all related to the abortion. I think she feels deep down she was not deserving because of the choice she made so many years before; very sad to watch someone you love go through.
That is SO interesting.
I was born/raised in Miami-Dade. I moved when my son was entering HS and my daugher the 4th grade, a little over 10 years ago.

I left because of the educational system and because I couldn't afford to buy a house there.

When I read in your post that your kids did FINE, I thought to myself, that's because you are probably an awesome parent and your kids are probably pretty good by nature as well.

I'm sure mine could have gotten through it, but I would have been a basket case (single parent).

I moved a couple hundred miles north of Miami, then about 4 years later to a small town in N FL when my daughter was to enter HS, again for educational reasons. Not because the educational system was great, but because of the small town atmosphere, etc.

She did so well and she didn't get lost in the shuffle, although I doubt she would anywhere (very headstrong, vivacious, outgoig and involved). Anyhow, she's about to enter her 3rd year of college with a 3.8. Needless to say, I'm pround. I feel I was a good parent, but I give her most of the credit for just being a hardworker and good kid by nature (God gets the credit for the good by nature part, me thinks!).

I guess I digressed.... Just wanted to say, way to hang in there and congrats on raising kids in Miami LOL. I know it is possible to succeed in the face of a poor educational system, but I do believe it is harder and a challenge. I really don't think all the blame should be put on the educational system, though, because from what I saw when my kids went to school there, there was a problem with parent involvement, participation, or even knowing their kids existed. It started to become the school's responsibility to do everything basically for some of the kids and discipline was more of a concern than education. Which is why I left. My son had a class where 10% was teaching and the rest was the teacher yelling at the students.

And no, there was no spanking there. It was the small-town school that did the whoopins.

Again kudos for getting through it!