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I never once mentioned the Bible and have...

Posted By: Kendra on 2009-01-07
In Reply to: Read OP's post........... - Refuse to live in misery

read the OP's post. I also addressed that she says the children are not fond of their father, but have also heard my own mother say that about me--UNTRUE. Personally, I think life is too short to put your needs ahead of your children's. If you do not agree with me, that's fine, too, but I stand behind what I said.


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Did you know that the Bible says

to go to someone who has something against you and make it right?  It doesn't just say that if  YOU did something wrong, make it right but that if there is something you can do, you should do it.  I bring this up because you thank the Lord for your many blessings, and he is the one who wrote that book called the Bible, so that is His opinion on your situation, in case you are wondering. 


I am shocked that, concerning your son dying, you turned the statement around and said what if something happened to you?  You are missing every point anyone tries to make.  That must because you know you are right.  Well, people who are convinced they are right, sometimes find out later that they were not.  But then it is often too late.  It will be interesting to see your response.  I'm sure it will again state how wonderful your life is and how you have done nothing wrong. 


Here's what the Bible says about sin ..
We are all born in iniquity.

Gluttony is a sin. Those who have a propensity toward gluttony (i.e., obesity) must strive against it, bringing the physical man under subjection to the spiritual man.

Sexual immorality is a sin, involving illicit relationships outside of marriage, beastiality, homosexuality, incest. Those with a propensity toward this sin must strive against it to bring the physical man under subjection to the spiritual man.

Just because people are born into sin does not mean we are licensed to continue living in it.


The Bible
Yes, the Bible was written by men, men who were INSPIRED by God. It is the infallible Word of God.

If you want good evidence for this, I suggest you check out "The Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh Mcdowell. It is not a light read, but it is amazing. This man started out as an atheist who set out to prove there was no God and instead became a Christian.

Jesus is the same as He was then, now, and will be. So is His Word.
Maybe you should read more than just the bible...
Some interesting info can be found about this subject. Here is some: Everyone, religious or not, believing in God or not, transitions to the spirit world as part of the natural process of life. Just as one does not need to be religious to live in the physical world, one does not need to profess a particular faith to live in the spirit world. Thus while one does not have to be religious to dwell in the spirit world, one inevitably will benefit from a thorough understanding and practice of a particular tradition. This said, however, it needs to be recognized that not all teachings described as religious are beneficial. Religion which is judgmental, prejudicial, critical, and narrow may impede the spirit's natural growth.
Where in the Bible does it say what stores--sm
can and cannot sell?? Point out that *scripture* to me..please! The Bible also says *love one another as you love yourself*.
And I'm against the bible-thumpers!
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No - no place for a bible
I know this is going to infuriate a lot of people, but in my opinion the bible does not belong in the classroom. If someone brings one in but keeps it their desk drawer or backpack to read on their own time that is one thing, but to keep it out in plain site? There is a place for that - it is called church. In this day and age there is such a multitude of people of different religions. How would anyone like it if I was an instructor of your child and I kept the Satanic bible or books of other religion out in plain site - don't think you would like it.
The Bible and its interpretations
There are multiple versions of the Bible, and many with different interpretations. How do YOU know which is the "correct" interpretation? Even the experts and historians have given the Bible different interpretations. Unless you are Christ himself I guess you can't possibly know. And I am a Christian. I have faith in God and I know Jesus died for me so don't jump all over me for accepting the reality of different interpretations of the Bible.
Bible believers
Where are all of you who take the bible literally? It does speak of people being possessed.

I don't think that what was happening, but people didn't know what various issues were (seizures, mental illness, etc.), so they came up with an explanation that made sense to them at the time.

But I am wondering why those of you who take the Bible literally don't seem to think this woman could be speaking the truth (or are you just not commenting)?

I'm sorry to the poster for your mom, you, and your child. There is mental illness in my family, and I remember seeng/hearing my aunt saying she had demons in her eyes (when I was quite young). She was so mentally ill, she really looked like she did have them!! It freaked me out.
To me this post is not really just about the Bible sm
but opinions/beliefs. Your mother had no need to talk about those things - just as you probably would not have wanted her to make a racist comment or an inappropriate sexual remark. She was out of line and if she cannot respect your house rules - then she needs to stay away. We all have opinions - we need to know when they should be shared.
Just like the bible, they contradict themselves....all the time ;)
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But this is definitely not Bible prophecy being fulfilled
The Bible clearly states it will be a mark (computer chip?) in the hand or forehead, not a card in our wallet. The day I am told I am required to have something implanted or tattooed or whatever on my body is the day I move up into the mountains, learn how to hunt and fish, build a cabin out of logs and weave my own cloth.
Interesting. I have always sad that sadly it is the bible itself
that prompts some people to become atheists because some of it is downright scary.

It has often been said that when it comes to the Bible most devout Christians boldly declare their belief in the "infallible word of God", demanding that every single word be taken literally, without exception.

But when it comes to the awkward verses including the cruel and unusual punishment ordered by God and Jesus, slaying of innocent animals and children, etc., the extreme testing of one's faith, clearly they tend to ignore them or interpret them VERY differently.

Funny, isn't it?
Is this only Bible study or does it involve anything else? nm
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We have Bible study but we also have a lot of get-togethers. It is a very sm
"light" class. A lot of fun. Great relationships between the couples. To me, it's just great therapy.
Well, yes only Christians because you have to swear on the Bible. How can you sm
swear on something that you don't even believe in?

Besides, the latest polls show that 80+% of Americans believe that they are Christians. That's a huge majority.

Also, if they were not Christians and were running, I would certainly like to know their personal values and what their value system is based on if it isn't the Bible. Again, they swear in on the Bible, that's not just opinion.
Should he be allowed to keep the Bible on his desk?
Apparently, it's just sitting there. He's not teaching from it.

A Mount Vernon science teacher said yesterday that he will refuse to remove a Bible from his classroom desk, despite his school district's order.

"Thousands of citizens in this community have built their lives on deeply held religious convictions, and it is for them that I stand today," John Freshwater, 51, who teaches at Mount Vernon Middle School, said in a news release.

The religious activist Dave Daubenmire, Freshwater's friend, acted as his spokesman yesterday. "This is not a religion issue; this is a free-speech issue," Daubenmire said. "He didn't take the Bible to read to anybody."

Mount Vernon Superintendent Steve Short said Freshwater's characterization of the events leading to the district order that he remove religious items from his classroom was "not entirely accurate," but Short wouldn't elaborate.

The district later released a one-paragraph statement saying that district officials don't oppose religion but are required "under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution to protect against the establishment of religion in the schools. As a public school system the district cannot teach, promote or favor any religion or religious beliefs."

Freshwater and Daubenmire believe that separation of church and state "is a fraud" and that the framers of the Constitution never intended it to be practiced the way it is today, Daubenmire said.

The district asked Freshwater last week to remove the Ten Commandments from the door to his classroom and remove the Bible from the view of students. About 3,900 students attend Mount Vernon schools. Mount Vernon is about 52 miles northeast of Columbus.

Freshwater took down the Ten Commandments but decided that being prevented from taking a Bible into the classroom was going too far.

In the past, Freshwater has taught his students about the "holes in evolution" and intelligent design, the theory that a supernatural power created complex forms of life, Daubenmire said.

"Would our government ask a follower of Islam to remove her burqa in order to teach school?" Freshwater said in his written statement. "Would we ask a science teacher to remove The Origin of Species from his desk merely because the origin of man has never been proven?

"I cannot with a clear conscience follow a directive that makes religion and the religious viewpoint any less credible by those who deem themselves more enlightened."

Freshwater wouldn't answer questions directly because of the likelihood he will file a lawsuit charging "viewpoint discrimination," Daubenmire said.

Daubenmire is the former London High School football coach whose district was sued in 1999 by the American Civil Liberties Union because he led his players in prayer at games, practices and meetings. The district settled out of court, and its insurance company paid the ACLU $18,000 for court costs.

You're very wrong. The Bible is very much up for

I had a baptist pastor tell me that I should not marry out of my race and that it's in the Bible...  So what do you say to that? 


Believe what you want and interpret it how you want, but then don't say that others are sinners when you are not GOD!


I do believe the Bible, I just don't want my mom scaring my kids (sm)
And she used "swearing on the Bible" as a way to further convince the children that she had seen demons and ghosts, as if they weren't scared enough. That was the kicker...that really scared them even more.
Are you rejecting religion and the Bible or God?

I have problems myself with organized religion; however, I have personal proof of life after death, which leads me to believe in a Creator.  Just curious about where you're coming from.


There may be one judge, but the Bible is quite clear that any person
who denounces God will not go to Heaven.  I am very comfortable in the fact that I have salvation.
No thanks, the Holy Bible is THE written authority to me!
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take your bible thumping to the religion board.
Another good example of a CARNAL "Christian" calling people pathetic and nauseating, a fine example of "love thy neighbor as thyself." LOL
great post ks and who invented the Bible?

My opinion is that men interpreted the bible(s) of the world....women had little say, and GOD HAD NO stuff to write with.......men certainly did succeed and put their *slant* on things to control.....yeah, to control........is my belief and my opinion and I'm sure at least dozens others here too...and even more in the grander scale of things, not just those on online bulletin/message boards.



Again, I follow what the Bible says, that homosexuality is sinful &
support homosexuality by selling items of that nature is not where I will be shopping.  You can try to twist this around every way possible, but I am not judging anyone. God will do that.  No, I do not associate with gay people, but that does not mean that I would not be pleasant to someone who is.  I don't agree with the gay lifestyle, I don't shop at stores that sell homosexual items, and you can make me out to be the bad guy all you want.  I believe in what I believe.
I'm not a Bible scholar, but I can try to explain what Matthew was saying...
He wasn't saying that everyone who goes to synagogues are hypocrites. In his time, he was saying that there are some people who went to synagogues who were hypocrites.
Matthew's Gospel is written for a Jewish audience, or maybe I should say, from the perspective of a Jew speaking to other Jews. He is describing a situation that we still see today, people who proclaim themselves religious and call attention to themselves, but don't really live faith. In this particular verse, he describes something that his audience would be familiar with. They were Jews and they went to synagogues. They most certainly would have known people who called attention to themselves and proclaimed that they were righteous. Meanwhile, they really didn't live righteous lives.
Today we know that scenario can refer just as easily to someone who sits in the front pew at a church on Sunday, but then spends the rest of the week being evil to his fellow human beings. We also know of people who proclaim Islam, but carry out terrorist acts.
The Bible was written thousands of years ago, of course. So we have to try to think of it from that perspective, and then carry the lessons forward into the present time.
Does that make it as clear as mud? :) Like I said, I'm not a Bible scholar, but I did want to try to explain it so that you wouldn't think there was a hateful agenda hidden in the verse.
Great news! Thanks! Definitely the bible of anyone doing surgery. :) nm
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Even biblical scholars do not believe the Bible is the word of God (sm)
They recognize the Bible as written by humans. I just finished a very insightful course at my local university with an extraordinary instructor who is a minister and very learned scholar of the Bible. It opened my eyes and reaffirmed my beliefs (or lack thereof).
It is the Holy Bible which includes both new and old Testaments. nm
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The Bible is also pretty clear when it says judge not lest ye be judged.
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i find the science in the Bible pretty tangible,
ie, that this world is a sphere, suspended in heaven (vs. flat), about the paths/currents under the sea, and more -- these were written WAYYYYYY before 'man' discovered same. Those are tangible facts or science. However, science nowadays isn't necessarily fact -- too much theory purported as science...
People who use the Bible as a weapon or excuse to control
others are NOT Christian. My God isn't a misogynistic control freak, so bye-bye. I like your aunt's saying. I'm going to have to remember that one.
I saw that too and mentioned
to my hubby afraid really the nipple about to show, very revealing, not just low cut but almost out like you are saying.
I don't believe I mentioned that AT ALL
I only plan to show the page to the principal and, in case he is unaware, give him the website to find this information. I stand firm that the employees of that school and any other school should be very aware of who is entering their doors. Where did you get the notion that I was going to plaster posters all over? Naturally I am very concerned about that little girl and, from what I understand, counselors are involved.
This is just want I mentioned
in a previous e-mail - unbelievable! A few posts above I spoke of a story I just read about a wife whose husband was diagnosed with Asperber's at age 60 after leading a full functioning life.
I would have mentioned about...
Sex of child/teacher and age. I need opinion regardless of age and sex. Does it suit a teacher to use word honey and sweety? ethical?
Like was mentioned above, it is all in what
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I did not see mentioned that your
grandmother wrote a will. Why did she not write a will?

Also: Why is the 'nephew' only your sister's nephew?
How is the relationship?

If your grandmother did not write a will, that means she died intestate, then the State takes over the distribution of your grandmother's assets. There are strict inheritance laws which will be implemented.
I doubt that this 'nephew' can take your inheritance away from you, since you are the grandchild and he is only the child of a grandchild. It seems that your grandmother's lawyer will be the executor, unless your grandmother gave a power of attorney to somebody else. This is the person who sees to it that all heirs get their right shares.
I have also 1 question, like the other poster:
What happened to the 'children' of your grndmother, namely the 'parents'?
They are the first in line according to succession.

Yes, but keep in mind ks that Christian's follow EVERY word of the Holy Bible
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I think like you mentioned in your other post
you just HAVE to wrap that and give it to him as one of his gifts for Christmas (unless he thinks of it first) LOL!
just trying to point out that the OP mentioned--sm
specifically that the franchise she was talking about began with the letter D and the above poster said "if you are talking about Pizza Hut..." shows how much they read these posts. lol.
Funny you mentioned that because
my favorite chair was the 1 they clawed to death and I put in an unused hallway until I got the time to spend making sure they loved the catnip more than my new leather. I hear them in the hallway going after that ole worn out chair. I would have had it recovered but once the scratching started, figured they would go at it again. I am doing cleaning this morning and this afternoon will have the time to put their catnip out and take my covers off. Does cutting their nails help any or will they still scratch as much as they do?
If this hasn't be mentioned before (sm)
Chances are the school has a policy regarding this. If not, the child/parent may have some recourse.

Generally school policies supercede general law and rights, i.e. search and seizure regarding lockers (they can go in them as they please).

I'm thinking if they imposed such a stiff penalty, they can back it up lawfully. It really matters not if we think it is right or wrong. If it's school policy (approved by the school board) and stated in the handbook every student gets at the beginning of the semester, then that's the bottom line.

you mentioned how blessed
if you believe in blessings, i would (here goes this word again) "assume" you believe in forgiveness also. i think you should be the bigger one and try to contact your son and make an attempt to straighten things out. at least you will know you tried and then the ball is in his court. :)
I'm glad you mentioned that
I had actually forgotten all about him. When he said three children I thought three, who's the third? He was on a few weeks ago, but they never talk about him.
it wasn't much mentioned or
talked about, but after Katrina, other countries DID send money and supplies and I remember right, a lot of money was given to the 911 fund. I wonder about the supplies turned away Burma a couple of weeks ago. I am afraid that instead of actually reporting news, we are dealt the canned versions and have to suffer through many of the same reports over and over.
I know I mentioned about the gift
but it really isn't so much about that but that she can't find 5 minutes to stop by for my shower. It's right by her house. Maybe she invited me to her wedding reception thinking that I wouldn't come and would just send a gift? I don't know.

I am just hurt more than upset. It makes me feel like she doesn't even try but I guess the gift was her way of trying and my life is just in a different, more mature, place than hers. Having a baby puts life into perspective very quickly.

Thank you for the kind words. I hear this scenario with a lot of people but guess I just thought that wasn't us since we still talk and see each other often. But you are right, I can't let the relationship be one-sided either.
In case nobody mentioned it,
the cat could have a UTI or kidney stones. However, I had a cat that started urinating on the bed because we introduced a dog to the family and she didn't like the dog. Then the littlest thing would set her off, like using the vacuum cleaner, or DH staying out late. DH would come home, flop into bed, and shriek in a most unmanly fashion after landing in cold urine. I talked to a cat behaviorist, who told me to put out 7 different litterpans with all different types of litter. I couldn't live like that.

A second young cat we adopted at about 6 months of age played much too rough with me and with another cat we had. I had to take her back also.


that's why I mentioned what cops said
about 99 out of 100 people answering the door in the middle of the night. I was absolutely horrified myself that I had opened the door and the cops said it happens all the time. Hopefully people reading all these posts will wise up.
I did not say you mentioned squirrel but others did
You said "people from the south will try anything once." That dearie, is total assumption because as a child I was served strawberry shortcake and would not eat as I wanted the strawberries separate, would not eat spaghetti as wanted the meat separate, missed out on other things I now enjoy. You stated we would try anything once. You are just wrong, own up to it.
some of the items you mentioned for a child--sm
to me, are also too restrictive. Cribs are for *infants* who are not mobile, as well as bassinets. Play pens and baby gates are for toddlers and are mostly for the parents, who do not wish to be *inconvenienced* by supervising their off spring. Puppies are pretty much mobile from the day they are born. If you begin training them early, you would not need to be afraid to leave them unsupervised if you needed to be gone. They would already know. Besides, since when are *material things* like carpeting and furniture more important than a living breathing being?? If a person does not want to take the time to supervise either a puppy OR a child, then they should not have either one. This is just my opinion. I am entitled to feel the way I do, as are you. Crate your dog if you wish too. Barricade your children, as you do not wish to be *inconvenienced* by their presence. Watch your tv, drink your drinks, have your fun, and call yourselves good parents and tell yourselves, and others, that you do these things for the *safety* of the children and the pets, and for the protection of your prized material belongings. It all comes down to selfishness. JMO