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No - no place for a bible

Posted By: anon on 2008-04-18
In Reply to: Should he be allowed to keep the Bible on his desk? - Sara

I know this is going to infuriate a lot of people, but in my opinion the bible does not belong in the classroom. If someone brings one in but keeps it their desk drawer or backpack to read on their own time that is one thing, but to keep it out in plain site? There is a place for that - it is called church. In this day and age there is such a multitude of people of different religions. How would anyone like it if I was an instructor of your child and I kept the Satanic bible or books of other religion out in plain site - don't think you would like it.


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Did you know that the Bible says

to go to someone who has something against you and make it right?  It doesn't just say that if  YOU did something wrong, make it right but that if there is something you can do, you should do it.  I bring this up because you thank the Lord for your many blessings, and he is the one who wrote that book called the Bible, so that is His opinion on your situation, in case you are wondering. 


I am shocked that, concerning your son dying, you turned the statement around and said what if something happened to you?  You are missing every point anyone tries to make.  That must because you know you are right.  Well, people who are convinced they are right, sometimes find out later that they were not.  But then it is often too late.  It will be interesting to see your response.  I'm sure it will again state how wonderful your life is and how you have done nothing wrong. 


Here's what the Bible says about sin ..
We are all born in iniquity.

Gluttony is a sin. Those who have a propensity toward gluttony (i.e., obesity) must strive against it, bringing the physical man under subjection to the spiritual man.

Sexual immorality is a sin, involving illicit relationships outside of marriage, beastiality, homosexuality, incest. Those with a propensity toward this sin must strive against it to bring the physical man under subjection to the spiritual man.

Just because people are born into sin does not mean we are licensed to continue living in it.


The Bible
Yes, the Bible was written by men, men who were INSPIRED by God. It is the infallible Word of God.

If you want good evidence for this, I suggest you check out "The Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh Mcdowell. It is not a light read, but it is amazing. This man started out as an atheist who set out to prove there was no God and instead became a Christian.

Jesus is the same as He was then, now, and will be. So is His Word.
Maybe you should read more than just the bible...
Some interesting info can be found about this subject. Here is some: Everyone, religious or not, believing in God or not, transitions to the spirit world as part of the natural process of life. Just as one does not need to be religious to live in the physical world, one does not need to profess a particular faith to live in the spirit world. Thus while one does not have to be religious to dwell in the spirit world, one inevitably will benefit from a thorough understanding and practice of a particular tradition. This said, however, it needs to be recognized that not all teachings described as religious are beneficial. Religion which is judgmental, prejudicial, critical, and narrow may impede the spirit's natural growth.
Where in the Bible does it say what stores--sm
can and cannot sell?? Point out that *scripture* to me..please! The Bible also says *love one another as you love yourself*.
And I'm against the bible-thumpers!
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The Bible and its interpretations
There are multiple versions of the Bible, and many with different interpretations. How do YOU know which is the "correct" interpretation? Even the experts and historians have given the Bible different interpretations. Unless you are Christ himself I guess you can't possibly know. And I am a Christian. I have faith in God and I know Jesus died for me so don't jump all over me for accepting the reality of different interpretations of the Bible.
Bible believers
Where are all of you who take the bible literally? It does speak of people being possessed.

I don't think that what was happening, but people didn't know what various issues were (seizures, mental illness, etc.), so they came up with an explanation that made sense to them at the time.

But I am wondering why those of you who take the Bible literally don't seem to think this woman could be speaking the truth (or are you just not commenting)?

I'm sorry to the poster for your mom, you, and your child. There is mental illness in my family, and I remember seeng/hearing my aunt saying she had demons in her eyes (when I was quite young). She was so mentally ill, she really looked like she did have them!! It freaked me out.
To me this post is not really just about the Bible sm
but opinions/beliefs. Your mother had no need to talk about those things - just as you probably would not have wanted her to make a racist comment or an inappropriate sexual remark. She was out of line and if she cannot respect your house rules - then she needs to stay away. We all have opinions - we need to know when they should be shared.
I never once mentioned the Bible and have...
read the OP's post. I also addressed that she says the children are not fond of their father, but have also heard my own mother say that about me--UNTRUE. Personally, I think life is too short to put your needs ahead of your children's. If you do not agree with me, that's fine, too, but I stand behind what I said.
Just like the bible, they contradict themselves....all the time ;)
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But this is definitely not Bible prophecy being fulfilled
The Bible clearly states it will be a mark (computer chip?) in the hand or forehead, not a card in our wallet. The day I am told I am required to have something implanted or tattooed or whatever on my body is the day I move up into the mountains, learn how to hunt and fish, build a cabin out of logs and weave my own cloth.
Interesting. I have always sad that sadly it is the bible itself
that prompts some people to become atheists because some of it is downright scary.

It has often been said that when it comes to the Bible most devout Christians boldly declare their belief in the "infallible word of God", demanding that every single word be taken literally, without exception.

But when it comes to the awkward verses including the cruel and unusual punishment ordered by God and Jesus, slaying of innocent animals and children, etc., the extreme testing of one's faith, clearly they tend to ignore them or interpret them VERY differently.

Funny, isn't it?
Is this only Bible study or does it involve anything else? nm
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We have Bible study but we also have a lot of get-togethers. It is a very sm
"light" class. A lot of fun. Great relationships between the couples. To me, it's just great therapy.
Well, yes only Christians because you have to swear on the Bible. How can you sm
swear on something that you don't even believe in?

Besides, the latest polls show that 80+% of Americans believe that they are Christians. That's a huge majority.

Also, if they were not Christians and were running, I would certainly like to know their personal values and what their value system is based on if it isn't the Bible. Again, they swear in on the Bible, that's not just opinion.
Should he be allowed to keep the Bible on his desk?
Apparently, it's just sitting there. He's not teaching from it.

A Mount Vernon science teacher said yesterday that he will refuse to remove a Bible from his classroom desk, despite his school district's order.

"Thousands of citizens in this community have built their lives on deeply held religious convictions, and it is for them that I stand today," John Freshwater, 51, who teaches at Mount Vernon Middle School, said in a news release.

The religious activist Dave Daubenmire, Freshwater's friend, acted as his spokesman yesterday. "This is not a religion issue; this is a free-speech issue," Daubenmire said. "He didn't take the Bible to read to anybody."

Mount Vernon Superintendent Steve Short said Freshwater's characterization of the events leading to the district order that he remove religious items from his classroom was "not entirely accurate," but Short wouldn't elaborate.

The district later released a one-paragraph statement saying that district officials don't oppose religion but are required "under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution to protect against the establishment of religion in the schools. As a public school system the district cannot teach, promote or favor any religion or religious beliefs."

Freshwater and Daubenmire believe that separation of church and state "is a fraud" and that the framers of the Constitution never intended it to be practiced the way it is today, Daubenmire said.

The district asked Freshwater last week to remove the Ten Commandments from the door to his classroom and remove the Bible from the view of students. About 3,900 students attend Mount Vernon schools. Mount Vernon is about 52 miles northeast of Columbus.

Freshwater took down the Ten Commandments but decided that being prevented from taking a Bible into the classroom was going too far.

In the past, Freshwater has taught his students about the "holes in evolution" and intelligent design, the theory that a supernatural power created complex forms of life, Daubenmire said.

"Would our government ask a follower of Islam to remove her burqa in order to teach school?" Freshwater said in his written statement. "Would we ask a science teacher to remove The Origin of Species from his desk merely because the origin of man has never been proven?

"I cannot with a clear conscience follow a directive that makes religion and the religious viewpoint any less credible by those who deem themselves more enlightened."

Freshwater wouldn't answer questions directly because of the likelihood he will file a lawsuit charging "viewpoint discrimination," Daubenmire said.

Daubenmire is the former London High School football coach whose district was sued in 1999 by the American Civil Liberties Union because he led his players in prayer at games, practices and meetings. The district settled out of court, and its insurance company paid the ACLU $18,000 for court costs.

You're very wrong. The Bible is very much up for

I had a baptist pastor tell me that I should not marry out of my race and that it's in the Bible...  So what do you say to that? 


Believe what you want and interpret it how you want, but then don't say that others are sinners when you are not GOD!


I do believe the Bible, I just don't want my mom scaring my kids (sm)
And she used "swearing on the Bible" as a way to further convince the children that she had seen demons and ghosts, as if they weren't scared enough. That was the kicker...that really scared them even more.
Are you rejecting religion and the Bible or God?

I have problems myself with organized religion; however, I have personal proof of life after death, which leads me to believe in a Creator.  Just curious about where you're coming from.


There may be one judge, but the Bible is quite clear that any person
who denounces God will not go to Heaven.  I am very comfortable in the fact that I have salvation.
No thanks, the Holy Bible is THE written authority to me!
j
take your bible thumping to the religion board.
Another good example of a CARNAL "Christian" calling people pathetic and nauseating, a fine example of "love thy neighbor as thyself." LOL
great post ks and who invented the Bible?

My opinion is that men interpreted the bible(s) of the world....women had little say, and GOD HAD NO stuff to write with.......men certainly did succeed and put their *slant* on things to control.....yeah, to control........is my belief and my opinion and I'm sure at least dozens others here too...and even more in the grander scale of things, not just those on online bulletin/message boards.



Again, I follow what the Bible says, that homosexuality is sinful &
support homosexuality by selling items of that nature is not where I will be shopping.  You can try to twist this around every way possible, but I am not judging anyone. God will do that.  No, I do not associate with gay people, but that does not mean that I would not be pleasant to someone who is.  I don't agree with the gay lifestyle, I don't shop at stores that sell homosexual items, and you can make me out to be the bad guy all you want.  I believe in what I believe.
I'm not a Bible scholar, but I can try to explain what Matthew was saying...
He wasn't saying that everyone who goes to synagogues are hypocrites. In his time, he was saying that there are some people who went to synagogues who were hypocrites.
Matthew's Gospel is written for a Jewish audience, or maybe I should say, from the perspective of a Jew speaking to other Jews. He is describing a situation that we still see today, people who proclaim themselves religious and call attention to themselves, but don't really live faith. In this particular verse, he describes something that his audience would be familiar with. They were Jews and they went to synagogues. They most certainly would have known people who called attention to themselves and proclaimed that they were righteous. Meanwhile, they really didn't live righteous lives.
Today we know that scenario can refer just as easily to someone who sits in the front pew at a church on Sunday, but then spends the rest of the week being evil to his fellow human beings. We also know of people who proclaim Islam, but carry out terrorist acts.
The Bible was written thousands of years ago, of course. So we have to try to think of it from that perspective, and then carry the lessons forward into the present time.
Does that make it as clear as mud? :) Like I said, I'm not a Bible scholar, but I did want to try to explain it so that you wouldn't think there was a hateful agenda hidden in the verse.
Great news! Thanks! Definitely the bible of anyone doing surgery. :) nm
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Even biblical scholars do not believe the Bible is the word of God (sm)
They recognize the Bible as written by humans. I just finished a very insightful course at my local university with an extraordinary instructor who is a minister and very learned scholar of the Bible. It opened my eyes and reaffirmed my beliefs (or lack thereof).
It is the Holy Bible which includes both new and old Testaments. nm
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The Bible is also pretty clear when it says judge not lest ye be judged.
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i find the science in the Bible pretty tangible,
ie, that this world is a sphere, suspended in heaven (vs. flat), about the paths/currents under the sea, and more -- these were written WAYYYYYY before 'man' discovered same. Those are tangible facts or science. However, science nowadays isn't necessarily fact -- too much theory purported as science...
People who use the Bible as a weapon or excuse to control
others are NOT Christian. My God isn't a misogynistic control freak, so bye-bye. I like your aunt's saying. I'm going to have to remember that one.
Yes, but keep in mind ks that Christian's follow EVERY word of the Holy Bible
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Sorry, don't believe in that place either!
Hmmm, that was a very christian-like post - NOT! lol
she's in a much better place now

and with her son.  I wonder who raises the baby.


there's a place for everyone

:)


That's why this is no place for it
I can tell you right now a lot of people would not like that. I asked someone how they would like it if it was the satanic bible and they have yet to answer. Although they were mighty quick to come back accusing me of being a non-believer when they have no idea what my background is. People don't want the Koran or Tanakh or the Jehovan bible (if they have one), the Wiccan Book of Days, or better yet, how about the Satanic bible. No, they wouldn't like that. To them its the bible or nothing else. People need to keep their religious beliefs to themselves.
I think I might have already gotten something to take the place
My husband the other day told me we needed some new towels, others worn. I thought well just let him get those as I seem to always be the one to buy things needed in the home. Yesterday UPS delivered a brand new 32 inch television to me, an early birthday gift for March from hubby. This morning I went out and bought him lots of new towels (and wash cloths also).
In the first place...sm
Sounds like he went to rehab for all the wrong reasons. Namely, for you, not for himself. The only way an alcoholic/addict has any chance for long-term recovery is to want sobriety more than he or she wants anything in the world. You work the program not for your family, not for your friends, not for your employer, but for yourself. Otherwise, he'll go right back out. Trust me on this.

Meanwhile, get yourself to Al-Anon STAT! The Al-Anon program shows you how to detach and take care of yourself and have your own life. It shows you how to make healthy decisions for yourself and not to enable to alcoholic/addict.

Best of luck to YOU.
What happened in the first place??
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I'd have a BIG problem with it. Not her place. (nm)
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Yes I would - it's not the teacher's place to do this....sm
shouldn't they be spending time teaching anyway instead of being worried about what kids do and don't believe in outside of the classroom?

Teachers are being allowed to do whatever they want this day in time. My high schooler listens to her biology teacher rant and rave each day about the "evils" of eating meat and she's sick of hearing it every day and is anxious for the end of the semester next week to get rid of this obsessive teacher.
Maybe look for a bed and breakfast place in that...
area. Chamber of Commerce might be able to help you.
Congratulations to her and to you!!! You should place the right arm
far over the left shoulder and give yourself a pat on the back. What a wonderful support you have been in helping her achieve her goals and you should be very proud of yourself, too. I know she is so appreciative for all of you that made her dream come true!
It's OUR place to tell our government that
Don't forget, the government is supposed to be owned by us, US citizens. They have gotten so giddy with power, they have forgotten that. Why else do they write their own paychecks, given themselves raises, and can continue to draw HUGE incomes after they leave office for the rest of their lives, including HUGE incomes for their wives long after they are dead, free healthcare, all the perks. These are public officials. Once they are out of office, they're on their own. We have let them take control of OUR government. It's up to us to take it back. You have a phone, e-mail, petitions.......you get the message across to them. Don't wait for others to do it for you.
I will take more than I bought in the first place
if they don’t cough up the $700 plus Tuesday morning and according to what (if that is the way it goes) it brings in on the court house steps, then I get % and the courts take % but not as much as mine. I can hardly wait until Show-Down at the OK Corral Tuesday morning. I just get ticked off thinking about their nerve.
NO WAY. It is not your place to tell them, let their parents tell them when they
think the time is right!!!!!
"No other place...."


NO OTHER PLACE
By Sondra Stallman ( poetry from II Cor. 5:8)

I turn and walk down a corridor.
Even though it is a strange and different place, I am not afraid to walk it.

There is a deep quiet here, like a hush and a soft sound of singing.
Everything has gone white. I am in a Most Awesome Presence.

There is no time nor space.

The Presence is all encompassing.
There is no “air” as I know it, yet I care not.

I am still. I feel no need at all.
No hunger. No thirst. I’m not tired.

The greatest change within me is the total lack of desire to utter a single word.

My thoughts seem to have stopped.  It is like I am floating.

I have always been very conscious of my “self”….my “body”….my “thoughts”,
my perception of things around me! In this place, I am utterly emptied of “self.”

My awareness is keen, however, of the Presence that is everywhere.
It is a Peace so deep it sustains all things that come near.

I feel as if I’ve been shot into the very center of a hot and burning star.

I can feel the energy that is creating and re creating every milli second.

There is a distant sound of song, as if miles away.

Voices that sound like velvet feels
are floating past me.I linger before the songs.

I reach out.

I can touch them with my finger.

I can TOUCH the SONGS!

Suddenly,it seems that the SONGS are INSIDE ME!

The light is bright and deep and all wrapped up in the songs.
I see no one.

I feel only Ecstasy.I know of no other place.

I know nothing but the Love
And The Light.

I Will never Leave.

II Cor. 5:8…”to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.”




Looking for best place to raise a kid

I like where I live...but after a week from H E double toothpicks last week, I really feel that a bit of distance between myself and any family members would be better.  Long story short, you think your family will be there to help when you need it, but instead all you get is beaten down and end up feeling bad and having to deal with your crises by yourself anyway (it's the ONLY reason I moved back to this area a couple of years ago).


Currently, I live in the deep south and my city has an excellent !!! school system, but I know there are other good school systems out there.  So, here are some of what I would like in addition to a good school system.


Near water and mountains (could be lake or ocean, or state park), easy access to public transportation (in case my car breaks down), a good YMCA or city recreation center.


I've been looking at a borough just north of Philly, a couple of small cities in Virginia, a city north of Denver, some areas in North Carolina.  I would like to avoid the west coast unless it's somewhere in Washington State or Oregon.  I've considered the Reno area, but I've never been there and I don't know what the schools are like.


Any ideas?  Thanks!  


Another place to check...
My basement has a sump pump and water collection area behind a basement wall.  The drainage pipe goes out to a pond down the street.  It took a while to figure out that was how tree-frogs were getting into my house.  Sorry about your snake problem--it's one of my few phobias (though I still will not kill them).  BTW, I also saw one go through a crack in the sidewalk.  Amazing critters aren't they?
There is no place in my house
where these would fit in. I am no where into the shabby chic thing, have had these in a cabinet and going thru all my stuff for the last day before the sale next weekend found these and hey, since I am not using, am gonna try to sell selling. I have some things of my hubby (who is a pack rat) and just hope he does not find what I have gotten of his. Ekk...I have everything but the kitchen sink, carpets, vintage jewelry, floor lamps, table and chairs, etc. I can hardly wait.