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She is a grown woman and all you

Posted By: kt on 2008-12-17
In Reply to: At my wit's end - Christmas and my daughter is impossible!

can do is invite her and leave it at that.


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For a grown woman you seem very dependent on
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I think it's more IN-appropriate for a grown man to take/ask a woman for money. I know his type..
This is not anything new to him. This is how he survives.  Chances are that he does have another "cash cow" so to speak in the wings. I've been there. I was stupid the first time just over 6 months of constantly bailing him out "so we could be together." Second time, I basically "paid" someone to be their friend for 3 years. I did everything in the world for him, mostly financial. I thought every time I helped him he would see what a great person I was and fall magically in love with me. Needless to say, he'd spent his life surviving by manipulating women and had no interest in me other than to support him. After I lost those 3 years, I regained my self-esteem and self-confidence that I deserved more. As far as I am concerned, no matter what the situation is, any man who takes money from a woman is worthless. That should be his last option. How about working more, getting a loan, anything but coming to you for money. I'm sorry to sound as if I am passing judgment but if I can save someone heartbreak I will try. My friend also spent a lifetime of supporting one deadbeat after another. Sometimes I think she subconsciously asked for it. She wanted to be needed. Yes, they were needy alright and needed her money but what she really wanted was just to be wanted. She had the two mixed up. The last guy that she dated for a year, through snooping in his computer unfortunately, found out he was on every personal ad site outthere including porn websites etc and had been meeting women AND men on the side while she handed out the cash believing he would marry her. Crushed was not the word for it. Sorry so long.. and as a side note...after 8 years of singlehood, I found my Prince Charming who spoils me rotten. I have never given him a dime and he has given me the world. They are out there.
I don't know, this post down below has me thinking. What are your thoughts, woman to woman. sm
If your spouse came to you and said he was having an affair, would you be more upset if it was with a male or female? For me, definitely a female!  If it were male then I would think that it had absolutely nothing to do with me and everything to do with him. I would be devastated if he were with another woman. Another poster below said she would be more upset if he were found with a male.  What about you?
woman to woman talk sm

This has nothing to do with being a christian, it has more to do with group dynamics. I have to deal with it all the time with 6 women in an in-law situation. They are narrow-minded Bible-thumping bigots.I happen to be of another "denomination" and I do attend every function of theirs, weddings, funerals, all of it, receive their communion. I have had my parents die, lost my younger sister and many things happen where they could have reciprocated, yet they will not "step foot" in my church. So where is all their faith, they certainly are not practicing the do unto others. I can relate, it is a horrible way to live. Thank God, I had psychology courses and know about group dynamics, I am in the middle of a herd mentality. I could go on forever, they even have "interventions" when someone in their family wants to marry or date someone not from their denomination. They are awful. I know your pain! It's not your imagination, they hide behind their cohesive "numbers game," one speaks and all the others agree in unison. No one has a chance against this mob. It's tough to be your own person, lots of tears. And guys think it's all in our heads - NOT!  Hang in, perhaps you'll have a Divine Intervention somehow.


 


 


 


 


 


 


Kangaroo. cat woman or wonder woman?
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This man's ego has grown so much it is
getting ready to bust and then he will realize his show has had its run and it is time to go away. I do think that for Ivanka to be so young she carried herself very well and had very intelligent things to say.
Grown and
several years ago.
if they are so grown then maybe they could
get out on their own?? Just a thought. It is the mothers home, not theirs and she pays to be the boss and therefore is. If kids so grown, let them have at it.
He's a grown-up man and obviously sm
sees a lot in you. I can understand your apprehension (BTDT), but you could possibly miss out on the best friend you could ever have. Enjoy his company, and enjoy a good life. Life is too short!
all grown up
If you work you can find a nice apartment even if your credit is poor. Everyone's credit is poor. Find yourself somewhere great to live and then tell him he is welcome to come if he wants. Then, go live your life!! It's hard to do, but, NO, not all men are selfish.
when they are grown and won't sm

follow the rules of the house then you have to make them get out on there own.  I have two sons.  We had to make both of them leave.  The only rules we had were if you are not coming home, let us know.  I always told them to give me a "ballpark" time when they would be home and if they were not going to come home then, just call me.  I didn't really ask where they were at, kind of silly for 20 year old boys and they can tell you anything.  But, for their own safety I told them always let someone know when you are NOT coming home.  They didn't want to go by those rules and threw fits and we had to put them both out (not at the same time of course, they are different ages).  The youngest is now a firefighter (32 years old), married, has his own business on the side.  The oldest has his own business, lives out of state.  They both did very well. 


I see too many 40 year old kids living at home sponging off mom and dad and will never get anywhere doing that.  It is a pattern they just keep doing over and over again.


Now if they are in school and doing well, working or not working depending on the school situation, I would not put them out UNLESS they didn't follow my rule and then I would not care if school was involved or not.  I think this is why we have so many kids who will not grow up because we enable them to be this way.  Just my opinion though.  I didn't say it was easy, but it is necessary.


 


My son is NOT being childish. He is more grown up
And, since you mentioned it, both of my brothers are felons. One is already in the pen and the brother that my son does not want at the wedding will soon be going to the pen for what else - 3 counts second degree sexual assault. So, do you still think our son is childish?????? Not sure how you got the childish portion out of the original post to begin with!!!
As you said, you are grown as is he. Let it be. Is he questioning her sm
or her motives? It is not your place at all to say anything to your father about his impending wedding, honeymoon, etc. Now, if she was taking his money, squandering, etc., and not marrying him then that's another story. She obviously loves him and he loves her, so wish them well, be sweet and happy for him and move on with your own life.

I can sense your bitterness and you need to cut that out of your life. It's counter productive to be bitter and resentful. And, the Bible says it clearly: Bitterness rots your bones.
MAKING??? Isn't he a grown man? (nm)
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Grown Children

True, not all families are the Cleavers. However, your tone comes accross very unloving towards your children. I find that sad. My oldest son (29) died in an accident. Open up and let your children get to know you before it is too late. Don't sweat the small stuff. Life is simply too short.


Lilly


I have always grown veggies - sm
And this year it looks like doing so will really pay off!  I mean, for a few dollars I can get enough plants to cover my 100 sq feet of raised beds and really make a dent in the cost of produce, which we eat a lot of.  Happy gardening! 
my dear grown up former
Dear Son,
Remember when I carried you on my hip everywhere we went until you weighed 50 pounds? I still have a lopsided left arm and body. People would say to me, "when are you going to let him walk?" and I would say, "If I put him down, he will run off!"

Remember when I could not carry you anymore and you would take off in Sam's Club running and laughing just to see the look of horror on my face running after you, abandoning my cart?"

Remember how I had to buy an extra large pet harness at Pet Smart in bright purple and I put you in that leash whenever we were out in public?

Look at you now! All grown up and handsome and not one little trace of a leash! I love you, I would have taken 12 more just like you, I miss playing with you, and I am lucky to be your mom. You taught me all I ever wanted to know about glass replacement, first aid, and laughing until I peed my pants.

Love, Mom
No, my children are both grown and I am not particularly fond
of home schooling. I think it deprives the children of much-needed social interaction and learning to get along in the real world.
Just wait until those roots have grown out
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does anyone besides me have a bad relationship with a grown daughter or son?
with one of your grown-up kids, or is it only me? My oldest daughter and I do not get along, never did. I love her, but am not sure if I like her. She is very selfish and self centered and it's all about her. Everyone else see's it but her. Of course, there's a lot more to it, but last night she sent me a letter saying basically she's done with me.....not sure at all where this is coming from. I really, really don't need this right now. So, is anyone else in any kind of a similar situation with an adult child? She's 38.

You are talking about grown-a.. folks
By goodness, you do not even see where you are going wrong, do you? What happens if you die suddenly? Do you think they would starve, I doubt it. They would get off their lazy behinds and make do. Why don’t you just let them move in on you and make it 1 big happy home? I do not just dole out money without a person trying to help themselves. You are making them both invalids but wait, you still have the grandkids to go. Lucky you. Don’t gripe when you are to blame for their not working and trying to live on their own. Look in the mirror.
"Romance novels" are all grown up now
Nora Roberts and Debbie Macomber are current faves of mine. Nora's books are a little more intense for the most part, Debbie's more funny and lighthearted. Yeah, they've got the requisite happy endings, but they're good fun reads for the most part, particularly Debbie's books.
My kids are grown, and I do NOT miss it!
I love my children, but bringing them up was the longest, hardest work that I ever did. The sheer exhaustion from never getting enough sleep made everything seem more difficult. But, we all came through it, and the payoff is the amazingly wonder relationships my children, husband and I have with each other as adults. We enjoy each other's company, and I'm so full of pride whenever I see my boys out in the world doing things on their own. After all, that was our goal all along... to raise up fine, responsible adults.
So I don't miss it, but I'm glad I did it. It was worth it. And my husband and I did a great job, if I do say so myself!
Our children are grown, our only grandchild is due to be
born tomorrow and we all talked about it and this year we are only going to buy 1 gift per person (except for the new grandson).  So, our budget will be very small this year and, for once, I am actually not stressing about Christmas. 
Yeah, well if he was grown up enough to take care
of your 5-year-old daughter, maybe you should have sent him to work. The nerve, a 13-year-old boy making his mommie work two jobs to support him.

Isn't that depending on welfare, too?

You are a joke. If I were a doctor, I would make sure you had a rubber room. By the way, making your son stay home and take care of your daughter was wrong. If you are as old as you say, it was wrong back then, as I am 37 and it was a big no no.

Nowadays, it is child neglect in a lot of places as 13 is expected to take care of no one but themselves for a long period of time.
Absolutely. I've known from age 9 (having grown up in --
a large family and the pandemonium that can be), that I wanted a quieter life than that. I like KIDS, but have never much cared for infants. They make me way too nervous. All that screaming they do overrides my Prozac level, and brings on homicidal thoughts. ;D
What would you do if your grown child told you
she felt like she had to walk on egg shells to be around you? Would you a) not be around her very much or at all or  b) try to change who you are to fit in with what shethinks you should be like or c) just forget what she said? We are talking a 36 year old and I, her mother, on the other side of 65.
my kids aren't grown yet, but

I definitely would not put up with the 19-yo.  He can get out and get a job.  As for your daughter, I feel for her b/c she has kids.  I'm not sure that I'd let her move in, though.  She should look for some place cheaper to live.  Offer to keep her kids for a day while she house hunts or apartment hunts.  I also understand what she's going through with childcare expense.  How old is the child she's asking you to watch this summer?  Is he/she old enough to entertain himself -- 10 or 11? -- old enough to fix himself a lunchmeat sandwich and watch TV?  If so, then I think if you could, you should consider watching him over the summer.  $250 may not seem like much, but if she's able to find somewhere cheaper to live, it could be the difference between living on her own or moving in with you. 


Obviously, you are under no obligation to help either of your children, but I suspect this situation bothers you because you care for them greatly.  Maybe a compromise could work to benefit both of you.  Good luck!


I have seen young girls as well as grown women
behaving like this. My goodness, this young female apparently was so excited about seeing these stars- I probably would have been the same at her age, in fact as a young girl years and years ago remember meeting Sal Mineo who starred with James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause- I got to shake his hand and remembered not wanting to wash it again. What about the ladies throwing their panties to what is his name, Ingelbert Humperdink (spelling?) when he played in Las Vegas. I see nothing out of the ordinary in this young girls actions, not in the least. Seen it a lot of times in my lifetime.

We are talking about a 5-y/o here not grown wacko adults - sm
so it is not a diaper fetish. Odds are the child is looking for attention and as stated in numerous posts wants to be the baby again and have all the attention. If the mom can, she needs to spend some 1:1 time with her 5-y/o, maybe at bedtime, story reading, or just talking, or take him down to the corner store and leave the younger one at home with dad, etc. Anything really, just spent 15-30 minutes a day that is his time with him mom alone. I wouldn't get freaked about it. I have 2 girls and the one loves to play with her nipples and stroke her tummy. She is 7 and just exploring sensation at this point. I told her it is okay to do but in private, not in public. I am not making a big issue out of it; not that it is a big issue to begin with.
No glad my kids are grown and out of home...

Anyone who thinks their kids are bad - well get this 3 BROTHERS here 10, 12 and 14 charged with crimes related to their breaking and entering and then completely destroying a Headstart school. They threw not only paint and other solvents over the place but also left own bodily fluids such as feces and urine, totally destroying computers, games, floors, the whole building, probably over $100,000 damage. I thank my lucky stars I do not have to even think about putting up with that.


I had a grown child and was employed (in this great

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hahaha! REAL grown up, gals.
I'm back in high school. weee
Thank goodness both my kids are pretty much grown up sm
Both are in college, one away and one at home.

My gift will be supporting them in everything they do unconditionally, past, present, and future.

Just can't do gifts this year.

But I WILL have my traditional 3-foot tree LOL.

Rays in WS is enough for us all, though!! :-)
We have grown children and paid up condo. SM
I think about advice I would give others. Getting any part-time job I could, delivering papers, selling Avon (people still buy Avon), renting room out in house. If elderly people near you, offer transportation or shopping service. One thing is, no matter what, no one should just sit around waiting for another job, be they male or female.
I usually do a lot of handmade gifts. This year each kid gets $100 they are all grown sm
I make my oldest son boxer shorts, he only likes the ones I make. My other son wanted a robe and matching PJ pants. Daughter wanted a couple of outfits and a denim jacket. My mom wanted something I had knitted up for her. Stepdad just wants to be remembered. My brother won't take anything from me, so no problem there. I will do some small things for my friends, but I won't spend $500 total, even with giving the 3 kids $100 each. I have NEVER spent that much on Christmas!

I have worked like a dog all year, but I have had no time to do these things they think they want.
So you just continue to give money to grown folks
because they are too lazy to work? You could do 1 of 2 things- take the children or call the family and children services if they are not being cared for. I would never continue to support people who did not want to help their self.
Oh for Pete's sakes...the kid is a grown man now...he can state his opinion..
it reflects nothing on the mother who raised him...
I feel your pain. I have a grown adult in my face 24/7.
The man needs a job.. He wants to be with me so he sits/lays behind me a lot of the day until I tell him to do something constructive like clean the house..his job.. As I tell him, you've been assigned a job description, now get on it. I will say that I wouldn't spend three or four hours arguing with him, he knows better. I'll knock his block off. :)
No, definitely not -- if this had been a woman - sm
asking you the same question would you have thought twice about it? He was a rep of the store asking if you found what you were looking for, since it happened to be a bra, I think he phrased it correctly, but then again he did not take into account a person who would take a question the wrong way. He has learned the hard way never to question a lady about her underwear that is for sure. You need to learn to let things roll off your back. If he had leered at you and said, hey lady you find a bra for those nice **** of yours, then yeah, that would be harrassment and not good customer service. Learn to chill some and not worry so much.
I know of a woman who actually did this
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what do you get for the woman who has everything?...sm

Spend some time together.


Give each little young lady a handmade card/voucher that she can cash in to spend time with you one-on-one, whether it be at the hair salon, lunch, walking in the park, just doing regular shopping stuff, going to a play or just sitting, talking, having a cup of tea and looking through family albums....It's the special time that'll be cherished. 


Oh, and 50-ish is not old.....I know 70 to 85-yo young ladies who can run circles around me with their enthusiasm, drive, ambition and joy for life.   Cat 


   


did you NOT see that 95 y/o woman who

graduated college last year?  She was all over the news, GOD BLESS HER!!  Had all her wits about her......just old looking is all....


Education doesn't stop until we die - so by all means 40+ is still young in that many change career directions many times in ones' life...



another woman
Does his name rhyme with Boo by any chance? This brought back memories from 16 years ago. Same situation. I found out I was not the only one and that he had been seeing someone else for years and when she and I "met", she told me he owed everybody money. I did get mine back by personal check in a very nice (what a joke) card, wishing me well. I loved him - couldn't deal with the other woman thing, so let her have him. Glad I did - I would have been miserable with him. Good Luck - watch your purse!!
wonder woman
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then you should definitely let the PTA woman have him
and after he's with her instead of you, make sure to send a thank you card
Do you believe what this woman says?

That an employee told her to use the MRI machine at the zoo?


When a 5-foot, 275-pound woman found out she had a tumor on her spine, she was told by her local hospital to go the zoo to have a MRI because a regular MRI machine could not hold her weight, myfoxkc.com reported.


Carolyn Ragan told the television station she discovered the tumor two years ago and, after the hospital told her she could not use their MRI machine, a medical assistant said he would help her find a solution.


“So he suggested the Kansas City Zoo,” Ragan said. “I thought, I know I’m big, but I’m not as big as an elephant. And my husband got mad.”


The University of Kansas Hospital would not comment on Ragan’s claim, but said its MRI department does not know of any animal MRI in the Kansas City area that would scan a human.


Ragan’s problem was two-fold: She was too heavy for the table and too wide to slide through the opening.


Medical Imaging in Kansas City North, which has both closed and open MRI machines can typically hold up to 440 pounds, but sometimes a person who weighs less can still be out of luck, according to an MRI technician.


“It depends on how they are built a lot of times and what part of their body we’re scanning,” said technician Sarah Abbott of Medical Imaging. “(The machine) can only be so open before the magnetic field dissipates into the room.”


Ragan, who ended up having two surgeries and some paralysis, said she finally found an open MRI machine that held her weight, but it was embarrassing and frustrating.


“They should have machines that fit most everybody,” she said.


A Woman Should Have... sm










BEST POEM EVER


A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ....

by Maya Angelou

enough money within her control to move out
and rent a place of her own,
even if she never wants to or needs to...
something perfect to wear if the employer,
or date of her dreams wants to see her in an hour...



A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ..


a youth she's content to leave behind....
a past juicy enough that she's looking forward to
retelling it in her old age....
a set of screwdrivers, a cordless drill, and a black lace bra...
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ne friend who always makes her laugh... and one who lets her cry...



A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE .......


a good piece of furniture not previously owned by anyone else in her family...
eight matching plates, wine glasses with stems,
and a recipe for a meal,
that will make her guests feel honored...



A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ..


a feeling of control over her destiny...



EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...  


 
how to fall in love without losing herself...
how to quit a job,
break up with a lover,
and confront a friend without
ruining the friendship....


EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW....


when to try harder... and WHEN TO WALK AWAY...



EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...


that she can't change the length of her calves,
the width of her hips, or the nature of her parents..
that her childhood may not have been perfect...but it's over...



EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...


what she would and wouldn't do for love or more...
how to live alone... even if she doesn't like it...



EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW.. .


whom she can trust,
whom she can't,
and why she shouldn't take it personally....



EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...


where to go...
be it to her best friend's kitchen table..
or a charming Inn in the woods...
when her soul needs soothing...



EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...


What she can and can't accomplish in a day...
a month...and a year...


AND REMEMBER:

GIRL FRIENDS ARE LIKE STARS.

YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THEM,

BUT YOU ALWAYS KNOW THEY ARE THERE!!!!!!


 


A single woman
What you're feeling is perfectly normal. Please do not rush into a relationship with any man at this point. Enjoy this time and spend it getting to know your children better and just spending time with them. Also get to know yourself and feel comfortable with who you are - develop some hobbies and interests. If you've spent the last 2 decades in this kind of relationship, you haven't had much time to spend on yourself. Soak in a hot tub every night if you want to.

In a sense, you've just cut a huge wart off your foot and of course it's going to feel strange and unfamiliar. It was the wart that was strange, now things are normal. It just feels strange because you aren't used to it.

Hope some of this makes sense. If you think about it, I bet you are actually less lonely now than when he was there. Some of the loneliest people I know are in marriages and relationships. Some of the happiest and most joy-filled people I know are on their own.


I should have been a repair woman.

My kids were out of clothes.  Yes, I'm behind on laundry.  So I wash some stuff, toss it in the dryer and I hear something going "ping" and it won't turn on.  I just pulled it completely apart, put it back together and it's working.  Yeah me!  A screw had come out and fallen down inside of it.  I can't believe how full of lint the inside was too.    I do, however, have 6 extra screws that should be in there somewhere lol.


Yes, a woman can pass it to a man, it is just like any other STD.
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