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What makes some people forgive so easily and others not so easy? sm

Posted By: anon on 2006-11-21
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The reason I ask is that I am in a very unique situation. I have a family member (an in law) who basically hates me. She and I have sort of been at it on and off for 8 years. She's a very mean person, very judgmental, hates everybody. I mean, seriously. It's bad. She rubbed off on me for too long. We were friends! I used to point and make fun at others ONLY when around her. When I finally caught on that she was not a very good influence and that I was so easily pursuaded by her meanness towards other people (backstabbing, etc), I began to keep my distance. And she caught on. Now she hates me. For no reason, really, other than I don't call her anymore, don't hang out with her anymore. And here lately she has been doing evil things to me like returning cards I've sent to her family with a giant "return to sender" on the envelope, getting her sister against me (I mean, come on, how old are we??), etc. She will be at my mother in law's for the holidays with her kids and I am cringing inside.  In fact, just today, I received a nasty email from her when I got home saying some pretty mean things, calling me crazy, insane, etc. which I know I'm not, but it hurts anyways to hear stuff like that.  She has a very hard time forgiving people, I've seen it over and over in her life, and now it has come to the fact that I need her to forgive me in order for ME to have peace in my life. It's just the kind of person that I am. I am totally willing to look past all the mean things she's done and said the past year and try to move forward positively!


So, fast forward. I've written her an email basically BEGGING for her forgiveness and saying I'm sorry for whatever I've done to hurt you (I know I've hurt her by not wanting to be around her,etc), and told her it wasn't good for us to be on the outs like this.  I am pretty sensitive (if you can't tell already), and I really, really, really wish she could get past all of this and just forgive. We all need a little forgiveness, don't we?? What do you think? Why is it that some are so easily forgiven and others will go to their grave filled with HATE? I don't understand it one bit.


 


I'm not saying I'm any better than she is. I know I'm not.  I just don't have an evil vein in my body to not forgive people and I HATE when others talk about others behind their backs. It's mean. I grew up around that stuff and once I reached adulthood and realized that I didn't need to talk about others to make myself feel better, I hated being around it. Give me some advice.  Should I send the letter?


Please help me. Would you send it? She obviously needs love. What would you do? Would you just tell her to forget it and move on or would you be like her and hate back?




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It seems ridiculous to me to think of divorcing a man for something he did four years ago but I can't seem to feel anything for him anymore.  What do I do?


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If my opinion upsets someone, I think it is their "fault" (for lack of a better word) if they get upset.  Everyone owns their own feelings and should not let someone else's opinion have so much power over how they feel.  As far as lemmings and masses, those are generalities, a comment on society as a whole, not aimed at any one person.


I am sorry if my opinions have so much influence over others. I will try to keep my thoughts in check.


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So today my grandma stops by unannounced and begs me to forgive her and that she wants to see my boys some time during christmas.  SHe won't talk about the incident, what sparked it or even what the heck my mom thinks is so bad about how i have treated my oldest.  I'm at a loss.  On one hand I really want to get together with her.  She is just going on something that someone else told her about me.  On the other hand I feel like my every move will be judged if I am around her with my kids.  I told her I forgive her and I honestly do, but i'm not sure how to get past this.  I'm having a Christmas lunch Saturday with my brother.  Should I invite her or just say to heck with it and not see her?


 


Call the corporate office, can be found easily enough on internet....
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Be the bigger person and forgive! Course my opinion
 
forgive me-I didn't realize you were the grandparent!

  but I also think you, as a grandparent, can supply all the info to CS....my situation was entirely different and I'm sorry I didn't realize you were the grandparent before I posted...


 


And God Bless you for taking responsibility for your grandkids, my parents would have done zippo!!     


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Not easy....
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easy way
First of all, there IS no easy way!!

My ex-SIL had gastric bypass right at about the time I started WW.

Just a little background: I was always thin until I started working at home. Then I blew up. Ex-SIL and BIL had not seen me until the weight gain, so it was somewhat of a shock.

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I know it was his way of encouraging me because he's nice that way, but it bothers me that people think surgery and accepting the risks involved is easy in any way, shape, or form.

Man, I'm glad you can do the Tobasco. I don't think I would live without it LOL ;-)

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very easy -
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Here's an easy one
I find hor'dourves are always nice. Have them before and then if anyone stays after dinner you can pull them back out later or the next day for snacks.

Little smokie sausages, wrap each in 1/2 piece of bacon secured with a toothpick, and roll in brown sugar. Then bake in the oven until the bacon is done. They are really yummy and easy. line the cookie sheet with foil for easy cleanup cause the sugar can be messy.

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My mom used to do hor'dourves instead of dinner and then just make a ham and rolls in case anyone didn't have dinner yet. I'll keep thinking. I'm sure I can remember a few more easy ones that everyone always seemed to love.
it is wonderful to see how many people have such strong opinions about people in debt.

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What do you think about the voting process?
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I know this will not be easy to read but I believe
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Just take it slow and easy

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We had a lot of unhappy years, especially in the beginning. So the one thing I always advise anyone who is contemplating marriage and/or a serious relationship is take your time.


And good luck!


How to make (sm) It is easy
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easy button sm
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LOL!! Let me make this easy for you...sm

Lose the attitude, B! And I don't mean blondie. ;) The word I was referring to ends in an H, it also has an I in it too. Then throw in a T and a C and well, I think you are a smart girl. It will come to you. :)

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Easy but good

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It would be easy in my house. He would tell me to never cut
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Easy for men to decide

Some guys are good dads - willing to pitch in and help take care of the child's needs, and give it plenty of time and attention.


There are quite a few guys out there that like the IDEA of a child - as long as it doesn't cramp their style.  This means it all devolves upon the mother - care of the child 24/7, criticism from him and his family if you aren't doing it their way, but of course any bragging rights are all theirs.


Then there are the demands of academia - when your child gets sent home with a backpack full of paperwork to review on a nightly basis, whose job will that be?


Another thought is the possibility of divorce down the road - what happens then?  Quite a few dads who let mom do all the work suddenly become superdad when the thought of child support comes along, and they will do anything to win custody so that YOU have to pay THEM.  Even if you win custody, the head games with visitation schedules, daddy's new girlfriend pushing her way into the picture, etc. never end.


Be careful.  Having a baby to stroke a man's ego can get very messy very fast.  Its a huge responsibility and too often the mother does all the work and the father takes all the credit.  Take the worst case scenarios into consideration before you decide.