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We are paying as we go.... We also have 2 wood stoves, BUT...

Posted By: SM on 2006-06-03
In Reply to: YIKES!!!Got our oil contract for this winter and almost passed out!!! - Not a speed typist

the problem you can run into is that your heating system won't call for heat because the inside of the house is warm, then the water in your heating pipes just sits and goes cold and can freeze and burst as it runs along some of the outer walls of the house.  That happened to us last winter and cost 500 dollars to call a plumber out. 


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No, have 2 wood stoves and 4 cords of wood that some old guy
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Re: Outside stoves
We installed one four years ago after having an indoor stove for many years. I wish we'd done it 20 years ago! It wasn't cheap-spent about $8,000 including installation/parts. We figured at the LP prices at the time, we'd have it paid for in 7 years. With LP the way it is today, it's almost paid for now. We heat the house and the shop with the same amount of wood we'd been using before, and we haven't had to buy any more LP. We love ours!
brands for stoves...

I need to buy a new stove (and frig) and was wondering if you guys could tell me what brands you prefer and why.  I don't need bells and whistles just something that's going to last.  Thanks for sharing


RE: Outside woodburning stoves - anyone have one, how do you like it, and how expensive (sm)
was it to install?  Thanks for any info you can offer.
Help, need advice on glasstop stoves

I am renting a place for the summer and the owners have a GE Monogram black glass top stove.  It was in perfect condition when I arrived.  I did some cooking, got the normal amount of grease spatter that I do when cooking.  No problem I thought.  There is some Windex in the cupboard that they left behind.  So I used a papertowel and Windex.  Then after that I saw in the cupboard some glass top cleaner that is recommended for that particular stove.  So I finished cleaning the top of the stove iwth the cleaner. 


Part of the surface came off on the two big burners!!! I have asked some people and they say oh that's normal wear and tear.  But how can that be!!


Then, I decided to boil eggs the other morning.  I thought I would try something - I made sure that the bottom of the pan was absolutely dry, the top of the stove was dry and clean - and I used a burner that I had not used previously.  No water spilled over, no mess was made.  Phheewww, what a relief.  Until .... I had a friend over and showed her the stove and to my shock, the back burner which I had not used before had little marks/chippings on it!!


Does anyone have a stove like this? What should I do? I'm renting the place and I'm very nervous about telling these people (who I've never met) about what I did to their stove! Has this happened to anybody out there??



 


 


 


Wood heat, here...

Good thing.  It was 6 degrees here yesterday morning.  Have enough wood stockpiled to last through this winter and halfway into next and I have a +2600 square foot farmhouse.  Also have the LP tank full in case the furnace kicks in.


Now, before I pat myself on the back too hard, let me say that wood heat is a LOT of work and time-consuming and very very very messy.  It's almost like a second job in some ways. 


Wood heat here too
I'm so glad we got an outdoor wood furnace a few years back. We haven't had to buy/use LP for 4 winters now. I'll put up with the work as long as I don't have those high oil prices anymore.
Yes, we just put in a wood stove and turned off
the furnace out in the shop. We know of a guy who gives away free scrap wood, so we're heating the shop for free this year. That'll save quite a chunk of change. I wish we hadn't taken the wood stove out of the house, but it would have cost too much to bring it up to code. Other than that, put on more clothes, extra blankets on the beds, and turn the heat down.
yup, 52 here and between m-pause and wood heat
sometimes i purt near melt!!
Wood versus gas, if just using a fireplace
without having an insert or some type of blower most likely you will be better off using another heat source because of the heat loss through the fireplace, unless you aren't using any other heat source.  We have gas heat and prices are expected to increase 70%.  We had gas logs but had them removed because we couldn't afford to burn them even for the mood affect and that was a couple of years ago.  
cord of wood, not cords.
4 cord of wood
have used wood heat for 20+ years
and we have moved a lot, so had to install numerous times. My husband does it. You can spend a ton of $ on a stove, but we prefer the little inexpensive 'box' type stove. They radiate heat well, you can cook on them, control the 'draft', etc. THey put out a lot of heat. If you have a stove that needs a blower to distribute heat, you'll be in a lurch when the power goes out. Also, your stovepipe must go i think it is 4 ft taller than the high point of your roof in order to draw the air correctly. You must get the fire hot enough often to burn out the creosote or keep it from building up. Learning how to build a fire can be challenging -- but once its going, the coals generated will make it easy to keep going. and please make sure you use smoke alarms on each floor.
Brother-in-law has been using outside wood furnace
for many, many years and loves it.  It sits out back of their house less than 50 feet (I would guess) from their back door.  They also cool their house with it (need an exchanger of some sort) and heat their pool water.  He is pretty clever and worked out the plumbing for the pool by himself.  They do have to spend part of their summer looking and cutting and hauling their wood supply but they think it is worth it.  Hope this helps.
outdoor wood boilers
If you live in the north, where our temp is currently 11 degrees, investing in an outdoor wood boiler is the way to go. I don't think you can have them in the city, but if you live out of town, wood is definately cheaper than propane. We can fill our tank once a year (approximately $550)
I haven't put wood in microwave yet...LOL....nm
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Use mother nature's WOOD HEAT !!
and maybe get a down comforter for the back bedroom...
Can I come to your house? I miss wood heat (sm)

That was our only heat source for over 20 years. It started out as a backup heat source, but soon became our only source.  We lived in a 5 room house back then and it heated the whole place.  If it was 5 degrees outside, it was wonderful to walk into the house. It felt like a cozy warm blanket wrapping around you as soon as you opened the door.  I was never cold. We kept a metal box fan behind it to blow the heat through the rest of the house, and a 30 gal soup pot on top filled with water for humidity. I even cooked a lot of meals on top. Had a whole set of cast iron pans, including the dutch oven. Meals were great. The only thing I didn't like was the "dirt" from the wood.


We now have forced hot air. I hate it. I'm always cold. I still have the wood stove but it's in the storage shed. Can't talk DH into installing it in the house. The only time I am warm is when I go up to the garage where my DH has an old Kenmore apartment size wood/coal kitchen stove that I bought for him a couple years ago. Guess where I spend all my free time...


Had a flu shots ::knocking on wood:: and so far so good
Two little neighbor girls came over to play. They told me that they had been ill with the flu. I asked them to come back in a week to play (their mother will not let them come over now...).
Are you talking about putting a wood burning stove outside or one of
those furnance box things that you burn wood in and vent it to heat the house?  If you are asking about the latter we don't have one, but have looked into it.  They are about $5,000.00, but other than that I don't know anything about them.  
Wood-fired brick oven pizza. nm
nm
I use Word 2000 and have had no problems. (knock on wood).
I used to run it with Microsoft Office, but had too many problems so got rid of MS Office and just run 2000. I have been lucky that when I get .tmp file, I can just delete it. I got so mad when that would happen I was always doing a system restore. What a mess. I got rid of the MS Office and things settled down. I hope this helps.
What are you paying your MTs? If you're only paying 7 or 8 cpl

and expecting extremely experienced MTs, forget it. You're not going to get it.  If, however, you're willing to pay 9 or more cpl then you will find what you're looking for. There ARE experienced MTs out there who will work their fingers to the bone IF they are compensated well and treated with respect.


Found an old couple who were moving. Sold us 4 cords of wood for
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Agree on the laminate, however, real wood is ruined by water too.
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ATT- I was paying $320 for 7000 minutes, I am now paying $175 for 5000 minutes in CA. nm
nm
Why would they be paying for
the loss of lines when the lawsuit is not settled. Plus, I don't think the small amounts will be sufficient to cover the loss of lines.
Duh - I'm paying $2.79 for gas and
my heating and electric bills have NOT gone up in 2 years and my rent hasn't increased $500 in 4 years, in fact hasn't increased at ALL in 4 years, etc.

You're one of THEM, arent' you? One who wants to complain but when someone says do something about you get all defensive. LOL

Chatter away ... not interested. LOL
If you are paying too much for gas
Just copy and paste into your address..........this is really, really cute!

http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php


That's the old way of paying....
imo, not good pay unless a 30 minute tape can be done in 1 hour or less.. some of my 30 minute tapes take me 3-4 hours to do because of the dictator.. be careful
Wow, I don't know anyone paying that much!

Sometimes if I get too far behind paying
my internet bill, my IP provider seems to start doing that as if to remind me I better catch up or they'll shut me down. It's irritating, but it does get the job done LOL
I used to do that, but it was not paying off. SM
I haven't had a report returned in years. Believe me, if I got caught with a mistake, I'd be doin' me some heavy proofing too.
who is paying 11 cpl? - nm
nm
Are you paying me?
Am I on your payroll?  Do you pay my mortgage?  Do you put food on my table?  No you don't. Therefore, don't worry your empty little head about how I spend my time.
Huh? Can you tell us some more about paying
less than 1000 in taxes a year and how that works?
Not in Writing, but they are paying
Spot checks show they are paying me for spaces and for headers.
They probably aren't paying for it anyway---
That's why they charge so much for dues, etc., so the "higher-ups" can attend all these wonderful conventions in expensive places. I dropped them years ago. They don't have a CLUE that we are all scratching just to survive-- not with their "Let them eat cake" mentality! I wish EVERYBODY would drop their memberships and then see how often these idiots go to Hawaii when they all have to get a REAL JOB.
Paying for college for my son..

My son is attending college and I have paid for 2 years through a junior college, but it is now time for him to move to a major university. Because of my salary of just over $40,000 a year, he has never qualified for any type of scholarship, only student loans (which I have paid back). Does anyone know of ANY scholarships, etc. that can be applied for? I know nothing at all about how the system works and feel I have failed in trying to help him (it's all I can do to hold down 2 jobs in order to make the $40,000). We even tried to have him set up on a student work program, but they said you could not do the student work program if you were getting student loans. It was like at every turn, there was something to disqualify him from getting assistance. He carries an 'average' grade point (more interested in social aspects, of course, than his studies). He has never had a counselor at the junior college that helped much. He is interested in sports administration, so the junior college counselor did not know what field to put him in, so she put him in liberal arts, and now we find he needs some other classes instead. I'm searching for any help with limited time to search. He tries, but he does not seem to get anywhere either.   ANYTHING ideas would be appreciated, and thanks in advance.


re: paying your FICA,SS etc as SE
I beg to differ with you!  Been with MQ for 17 years, they have always paid my federal & SS...they do not deduct any state taxes for SE's, and this is the only one I've ever had to pay.......never been audited about having to pay part of the above and have professional tax folks do mine, again, think you need to check your facts on this one.
anything to keep from paying for a space
That is ridiculous and has to do with money rather than the "correct way" to do things.
I don't see them paying more than 15 an hour, and thats being
Right now I average 20-25 an hour.  I'm barely making a living on that.  If they switched to hourly, production would fall dramatically, creating backlog and lost accounts because of late work.  Not a good idea. 
I had a doc tell me the other day that they were paying a service 7 cpl...

x


I agree . . . unless they are paying you
Don't do it.
Ask the docs what they are paying now and go from there. nm
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They are getting exactly what they're paying for.
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Is this what you make after paying everyone else? - sm
If so that is fantastic! So much for working so little, how nice is that, granted the buck stops with you and you have to clean up any messes, etc. but for $78K a year I'd be quite happy too.
Yes, if you think the companies are not just out for themselves and will try to get out of paying
nm
MTSO not paying...
My heart truly goes out to you.  This is certainly no way to run a business!  Myself, I would probably have said something I shouldn't have and not had a job afterwards.  I do so hope it gets better for you.
MTSO paying
As MTSO, I have a hefty cash reserve/line of credit attached to my business bank account. My payroll is never late, even if clients are late paying me. If credit line is paid back under 30 days, it is pennies to use. That's just my cost of doing business to ensure my MTs are paid on time. Most MTSOs I know do the same. If this person is filing personal bankruptcy, she probably can't get any credit at all.... and MAY be a red flag as to how she runs her business as well. It looks like you will be at her mercy in the future. I'd say keep looking -- there is a better fit for you out there.
in my opinion, what you are paying for gas alone--sm
not to mention the daycare, would be enough to cover your purchasing your own insurance. PTO is not worth it if you keep running out of work and have to use that to cover it. .09 cpl is not much for a hospital. Personally, I would tell them if they did not send me home, they could kma and I would find another job at home. You would actually be saving money, in my opinion, to go home and work from home...no more daycare and no more gas. How about hubbie's insurance?? There are pitfalls with any job, including the one you already have. You can find one that suits you from home. they are out there, you just have to perservere. good luck to you!! Happy TG.
Paying a subcontractor
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