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then they'll offer you 8 cents/ 65 char line. very sad nm

Posted By: mearad on 2006-06-20
In Reply to: It has been my experience --sm - noyb


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10 cents/line 65 char. w/spaces,
Small company (about 7 of us, I'm the only part-timer) Acute care, mix of dictators, 1 year part-time experience.
What is a 55 char gross line compared to a 65-char line including spaces?
What's the diff between a gross line and a 65-char line?

Mebbe just got my first OWN ACCOUNT YAY!  He said to charge him the "going rate" since I pay him that.  This could be the start, baby!  (I hope)

10 cpl per 65 char line
I include all spaces, headers, footers, etc with a 24 hour TAT.
65 char line
while you are in a Word document, click on Tools from the bar at the top. Then click on word count. You will see characters (no spaces) and characters (with spaces). If you are paid by 65 characters with spaces, take that number and divide it by 65. Then take the result and multiply the result by .08 or .09 if you are paid 8 or 9 cents per line. That is the amount of money you made for that one letter.
7.5/gross line or 10/65 char line?
Anyone have any idea which would come out to more?  TIA
1385 by 65 char line.
65 char per line is not the same as gross?? sm
You said "Anyway go with gross line, I still quote it as 65 characters per line which it is but I count by gross and 12 font."

65 char per line is NOT the same as gross. How in the world do you come to the conclusion that it is? If it was the same, then the 65-char line would not even exist. Gross line count means that even a line containing only one word is counted as a whole line. 65-char. line means that a line must contain at least 65 characters (i.e., letters, numbers, or symbols) to be counted as a whole line.

Gross line does not equal 65-char. line and you are doing a huge disservice to your clients and to the other MTs asking for advice here by saying it is. Clients do sometimes check the line counts to see if they match (obviously yours don't so you have been lucky so far) and if you bill them at gross lines and they are counting at 65 chars per line, your line count will be quite a bit higher and it will look like you have been padding your line counts.

Please, do clarify how it is you feel a gorss line is the same as 65 char. per line. Also, font does make a difference when using gross lines but does not make a difference when using 65-char lines so again, your theory that you are switching fonts tells me you are, indeed, charging gross lines and yet are quoting clients at 65 chars a line.

Does anyone else think this is just a tad on the shady side ???
.11 cpl/60 char. line for hospital
account that I do from home and am also considered an employee.  They pay my insurance and also offer family insurance for 110.00 a month.  I also have another account for a brain and spine trauma center that pay me .13 cpl/65 char. line.
Here's the thing. We were paid on a 50-char line SM

because we were on new software and it was hard (before EDiX). Then we went to 60 char and you have never heard the screeching and griping (LOL. We just didn't know).

I have told this story before, but for five years I was the supervisor in the MT dept. All I did was evaluate MTs, line counts, average lines per hour, just endless figuring. I could tell you off the top of my head what any particular dictation should count out to.

In fact, after I decided to go back to transcribing, I knew the very day that my former employees started cheating - our line counts were posted by ssn on a computer-generated list. I knew that work like the back of my hand.

When EDiX did their spiel, I was eager to start with them because I knew how they supposedly counted their lines and I knew how many lines a day I could type. Man, I was gonna be RICH.

Not one line count EVER matched what it used to. Bad thing about that is, I just got blank silence on the telephone when I asked what was the deal. When I asked my immediate supervisors how they were counting these lines, I got "I don't know. I'll get back to you." Nobody ever answered my question. I gave them a year full time, and then I had to start working other jobs to make ends meet so I quit.

They asked me to come back, and I said I would, part time. They said they really needed me on that account. All told, I was employed there three times in three years. I never made enough money to even cover my basic expenses. I cannot live like that.

My biggest problem with nationals, and the reason I refuse to work for them, is that the money goes to the suits first, the MTs next. People who do what we do simply do not need that much supervision. If they hire newbies who do need extensive supervision (and they do, we all did), we all pay for it in that situation -- I'm not against hiring newbies, by the way, but the $ it takes to hold their hands the way the need their hands held should not come out of the pocket of the veteran MT who sits down and chugs out her work day in, day out.

So no more nationals for me. I make three times what I made at EDiX now, working for a company that could be considered a national because we're scattered out, but it's still run by the owner, and her aim in life is for us to make as much $$$ as possible because then SHE does. That's the way it should be.

National companies treat MT as a cost center and that is not right. That's for the facilities to do. The MTSO should treat us as an income-generating entity instead of a hole to divert money away from their executives. They've got it all wrong!

Gross versus 65 char line
Can someone tell me how a gross line is calculated. Thanks.
I charge by 65-char line with spaces...sm

The two accounts I've worked on wanted 0.5 inch margins on both sides.  One of the accounts wants 10-point Times.  The other wants 12-point Times.  They want the margins so big because they are trying to save on their paper costs, because the sticky back paper (I think that's what they use) is apparently quite expensive.  I send the documents via e-mail for them to print on their own.  Anyway, charging for a 65-character line with spaces nets me more than a gross line because of the margins, font, and typeface.  Try it with your line counter.  I have one built into my Instant Text (which I don't use for invoices) and SylCount.  Both of them show that the gross line is quite a bit less when the margins are this big. 


Why not charge for spaces?  You type 'em like you type a letter or number! 

Only if that is coupled with a line definition of greater than 55 char.
65-char line to client and charge for gross? sm
That's a bit underhanded. If they ever get suspicious, your line counts are going to exceed what they count at 65 char. a line. You said yourself that 65-char/line and gross line are two different things, so why do you contract with the client saying you bill for one and actually bill for another ?? That's shady, IMO, and I would never quote my client a 65-char line and then charge them for gross line.
At 40 hours a week? Is that gross line or 65 char?
You'll never get an accurate comparison unless you have every single detail lining up, i.e., same rate per line, same amount of hours, same type of work, same doctors dictating, same amount of Expander entries, same typing speed, same method of payment, etc., etc.

It just doesn't matter what anyone here posts -- it's going to be different for each individual. There is no real true way to predict what you will make at this profession!
127 if based on 65-char line (8243 divided by 65 is the formula) nm
I quote a price per gross 65 char line, say 12 cpl, but then convert

I have one client who doesn't want bulk and is Franklin condensed 10; another is on Garamond 12 with a 1 inch margin R and L. I take a large block of type, put in a format that gives me 65 char per line and do a line count that way and get a price for the whole block, for example, 58 gross lines at 12 cpl = $6.96. Then I take the same type and format it as the client wishes, get a line count and divide the dollar amount by the lines. If their formatted version came to 28 lines, then 6.96 divided by 28, would come to 24 cpl for their format. I always include a line on the invoice to indicate their 65 char line rate. Something like

2586 extended lines at 0.24 cpl = $620.64

(your line rate converts to 0.12 cpl for standard 65 char line)

I always educate the client as to the industry standard of the 65 char line which allows clients to compare apples to apples...





I just re-read his email and he said he paid 9 cpl per 55-char line! Must be offshore. sm
I'm going to bring up the offshore issue with him and HIPPA issue as well.  My OB/GYN just switched over to that practice to do just GYN and specialize in urological gyn, so they have my records too and I sure don't want them overseas.  Even if they don't want to hire me, that's fine and I'm not going to sales pitch him at all, but I don't want my records outsourced.
Two companies, both 65 char lines including spaces, one pays 0.10/l and the other 8.5/gross line. n
$.06 gross line / .70 = approximately $.0857 cents per 65 character line.

A gross line is anything on a line versus 65 gross characters per net line the other way.  You make more money working for the gross line than for the 65 gross character line, as long as the line rate's OK.

New England, 16.50/hr, 8 cents a line after minimum line count..
full benefits available with general contribution by the hospital before you start paying for them, retirement, 403b, all benefits, and working at home as an employee, BUT, you have to live local to the hospital.
My company doesn't offer health insurance. I'll buy it at Sam's Store.
BTW, you can eat yourself up and waste a lot of time hating and smearing Walmart. People support the store and it is growing in spite of your MT Stars posts. Walmart shoppers don't care about your posts or if Walmart doesn't offer health insurance to their employees. They are looking for a bargain. Walmart has them. At least half the US workers have lost health insurance and as for my company, it costs at least $200 a month for health insurance if I want to BUY it. Get a grip.
I'll B happy with 2 cents...

And if it takes ten years, thats kewl 2! AOL has ripped me off in so many ways and caused so much aggravation and crap on my credit report I am willing to wait as long as necessary just to be a part of this lawsuit. I absolutely love it. Merry Christmas, AOL! Love it!

I'll give you my 2 cents

When I started about 15 years ago I did clinic.  I had the same doctors over and over, every day.  While I got to making decent line counts, I also was very bored after a short time.  Clinic has all, but dried up at this point. The people who do it generally have their own accounts, pick up tapes or use an Olympus digital setup.  The days when there were lots of small companies with call-in systems who hired MTs are pretty well gone.  They exist, but not in the numbers they once did.

You are extremely wise to stick to acute care.  That is where the work is, at this point.  It is hard to develop the kind of ear that doesn't get rattled by many different voices on a daily basis.  Frankly, some MTs never do get there. 

With VR or SR or whatever you call it coming on more strongly as time goes on, the worse it will be for those who do traditional I-type-every-word transcription.  The shloch you are getting will be the norm, not the exception. 

I'd actually ask if I could have my secondary as my primary. You are fairly new to MT and you sort of need a bit of a leg up right now.  Once you get into more of a groove, and yes finding a groove often takes longer than a couple of years, these things will not be such a problem for you.  You will have "got it" by that point.

Tell me you are using an Expander and making the very most of it.  That is one thing that is really helpful.  It can help to take your mind off things like spelling and trying to push for more speed, and shifts more towards hearing the voices, recalling obscure terms and your accuracy.  You have not been doing this too long to learn an expander and make the most of it.

Hang in there.  It will get easier, but perhaps not as rapidly as you would like.  For all the years I have been at this, it has only been about 4 years where I felt I had a wide margin of mastery. The scope of knowledge is just too broad.

8 cents a line. Should be 10 cents for over 10 yrs exp but
I would go with the line rate. At less than 9.5 cents per line sm
I make $30 an hour.  I would never transcribe for $15 an hour, for anyone.
I have an offer of 9cpl per gross line from a
... 9 cpl per 65-character line with spaces?  What do I ask to find out how that line is defined?
What's your line rate offer for mentoring/subcontracting?
The both offer a pretty complete line, but I do like the Sted's. nm
Anyone know which sites offer on-line video presentations for CEC credits? nm
And it's not just 0.06 cents a line.
By the way, OT when it's offered and working on holidays when you can amounts to really big money.
They pay 7 cents a line...
The people are excellent to work for. The accounts are huge and abundant. I love working for them.

The pay is every two weeks and on time. There have been pay issues in the past, but that is now in the past. The 4 cents per line mentioned in another post is not accurate on any count. The apprentice program paid 2 cents per line for work below 98% and 3 cents per line for work above 98%. I was on this program for about a month part time. I was then given an increase to 7 cents per line. The company has said they will make their pay very competitive in the future. They keep all employees informed of what's going on with the company, and they haven't lied to us yet.

Now you have the truth.
6 or 8 cents a line
Are you making 6 or 8 cents a line. If it's 8 cents a line, that's not bad wages at ALL, trust me. I am also the one that sent you an email about the name of the company you work for. Why aren't you happy with the service? Maybe I can help you on that issue.
6 cents per line
What about transcribing/editing where a lot of the typing is already done...is 6 cents still too low?
You only pay 8 cents a line?
8 cents a line for Rad-Please!!!
I cannot believe that Jester's Touch is paying 8 cents/line for Radiology.  Check the Job Seeker's board.  I would like to see a clinic Transcriptionist type radiology reports.  What a blow to Radiology transcriptionists!!! The wordage for typing Radiology is a lot different than clinic dictation and even clinic notes at 8 cents does not make if for me.  Where in the heck do they come up with that kind of a figure.  Blows me away.
Well what are you going to eat on 0 cents per line

I still say some cents per line is better than no cents per line. You know yourself how hard it is to break into this field. If, after posting on all the sites and getting no response because you do not have the magic two years experience, I would work on getting the two years experience, even if it was at 3 cpl. Better than staying at home every day and keep on posting resumes...

**insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results **

12 cents/line
for the clinic that I do in Colorado. I think that is the going rate now for office type of work. You should feel blessed you are getting 12 cents as there are lot of MTs out there with lots of experience working for 8.5 to 9 cents/line for companies. I think it is a fair rate. JMHO
12 cents a line
12 cents a line!! Oh my god - I have worked in this field for 25 years and have NEVER been paid that much.  You're lucky, but then again, I can empathize with how you must feel about not getting a raise in 5 years.  Everything you spend your money on has gone up, hasn't it?  I was refused a raise from Medquist several times. Never got it over 6 years, and  finally quit.
12 cents/line
Is what I get for my office work!!!! If you're getting up to 20 cents/line, I'd like to know where you are so I can get a piece of that pie! I haven't been paid 20 cents/line since the 80s!
16 cents a line
I agree, it sounds more than fair to me I used to do what you do only I delivered every other day and got paid 10.5 cents. Of course I dropped the account after three years of torture.
I would think 12 cents per line

That is the median rate.  This would probably also make it worth your while.

5 cents a line
The problem is as a newbie making 5 cents a line is not even going to be minimum wage.  When you take that job, you may think that it is better than nothing but this is lowering industry wages as a whole.  I started transcribing 7-1/2 years ago.  At that time, I made a little over 7 cents a line.  Now I am IC making a bit more but when taxes are taken out, it is probably close to the same.  Yes, I produce more in less time now so my paycheck is bigger, but I hate the thought of looking for a job when I see that people with 10 and 15 years experience being offered 5 cents a line, and those employers are finding people to take those jobs. 
6 cents a line?!
I have been looking for a part-time job.  I have 10 years of experience.  after submitting my resume and testing, the lady offered me 6 cents a line! She also informed me that she tries to pay her MTs close to the beginning of the month, but she has to wait until she gets paid by the client...............
6 cents a line?!
I didn't accept the position.  I was just amazed that she only offered me 6 cents a line for my experience!
9 cents per line - NOT
The 65 characters include the spaces... it is what it is... 65 keystrokes. She is lying to you.
It is 3 cents a line, whether you do
fix errors on a particular line or if the line is there already and needs nothing fixed. At least, that is how ours works and if yours did not would not make much sense to even work there. Having said that, I am paid 4 cent a line and with my straight thrown in some I get around $20.00 an hour for my work.
Is that 0.65 cpl really 65 cents per line? ..nm
12 cents per line here...
I am fortunate then because I get 12 cents per line! I worked for 8 cents a line 9 years ago.
How much is 6 cents per gross line? nm
This is all of MQ and that amounts to about 2 cents less per line for ASR.