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1929 crash saw a loss of

Posted By: 89% on 2008-11-20
In Reply to: Hold on to your hats! Dow 7552.29 today - Backwards typist

The high point for us was last year at 14,164 in October and an 89% loss is 1,558.

It is hard for me to see where shoring up the banks is helping anybody. We are already down almost 50% from this time last year.


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If you were 21 in 1929

Then you were an adult during the great depression and a teen during the roaring 20s.  You would be 100 years old today.  So this kind of financial greedy stuff I think is rare because it only happens when the last generation who saw it, warn of it, is gone.  The oldest people in my family who lived through the great depression were kids when it happened and it was their parents who were the stressed out people in family, but they act like it was them. It is much different to be a kid during hard times than a bread winner. Anybody ever heard those stories from their relatives?


Yeah....and in 1929 Hoover was President....
NOT Roosevelt. He got it ALL wrong.
Book about Great Depression, 1928 and 1929.

BOOK:  The Crisis Of The Old Order  By:  Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.


In 1928 and 1929, the nation had reached, it seemed, a permanent plateau of prosperity.  Businesses expanding.  Foreign trade growing.  The stock market was continuing to rise.  And national leadership could not now be in more expert or safer hands.  "I have no fears for the future of our country," said Herbert Hoover in his inaugural address in March 1929.  "It is bright with hope."


There remained a few discordant voices, anxious in the main over the stock market boom.  In spring 1929, Hoover summoned a special session of Congress to deal with these issues.  The session was not a success.  The Board's purpose was to control the flow of commodities to the market; one provision was to control temporary surpluses.  The session adjourned from April to November without taking action on the tariff.  Hoover wanted state public lands and reclamatin projects and related irrigation matters be withdrawn from national control and states to manage these affairs then Federal Government.  President's attitude toward utilities regulation was similar. 


Yet most Americans remained more interested in teh stock market than economic question and the few interest as now beginning to turn into concern. 


Early 1929, Federal Reserve Board under pressures of NY Federal Reserve Bank, finally consented to warn member banks that they should not lend money for speculative purposes.  But did not work.  Some argued that a restrictive policy might well induce deflation.  The board felt it created "a state of mind which breeds depression."  It was certainly true that reducing the interest rate was a clumsy way of combatting THE BOOM.  As long as the stock market offered highest returns, it was bound to have first call on funds.  Higher interest rate would have slowed down investment, cause capitalization process and bring down prices of ALL CAPITAL ASSETS and thus discourage investment.  President Hoover did nothing as he was preoccupied with his own mind and watched the Board run the course.


CHECK THIS OUT!!!  Finally by summer 1929, some danger signs were apparent, STARTLING DECLINE IN BULIDING CONTRACTS.  Residential construction for the entire year SANK.  CONSUMER SPENDING WAS SLACKENING.  By midsummer 1929, building began to fall off, wholesale commodity prices dropped.  In August, Federal Reserve Board finally agreed to raise to 6 percent. In September Stock Exchange price were at the highest.  On October 23, PRICES STARTED FALLING.  WALL STREET WAS SHAKEN.  Anxiety was suddenly infectious.  As panic spread, stocks dropped.  Hoover stated, "The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities is a sound and prosperous basis."  As prices held for a week, bankers QUIETLY fed back into the stock market that they had bought on Black Thursday for further future storms.  


Banks protected themselves against their customers.  On Monday, new explosion of gloom and panic happend.  General Motors stock lost nearly 2 million.  It soon was an avalanche, vast numbers rushing to get out of the market.  By noon, 8 million shares traded hands and by closing time, Exchange had broken all records with 16 million shares.  By mid November the financial community began to survey the wreckage.  New York Stock Exchange had fallen 40 percent in value. 


CAUSE OF THE CRASH:  Management's disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied benefits of increases in their own productivity.  Decline of mass purchasing power (like our real estate in 2005?) as goods flowed out of expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry goods off the market.  Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had overbuilt productive capacity and had thus saturated the economy.  The slackening of the automotive and building industries.  Businessmen trying TO SAVE THEMSELVES COULD ONLY WRECK THEIR SYSTEM.  Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities of the markets.  Ignored the weight of private debt.  Result was both class and national disaster. 


SP's war on terrorism crash course
Unbelievable that someone who aspires to US VP displays such "kitchen table" understanding of the war on terror. Islamic terrorists do not attack the US because "they don't like" our democracy and freedom. Bin Laden was very clear on his reason for 911 attack/act of war in his letter to the US. Agree or not, in his view and that of his followers, these are his expressed reasons attacking US:
1. You attacked us.
2. You attacked us in Palestine.
3. The occupation of Palestine.
4. America's support of Israel.
5. The creation if Israel is a crime.
6. You believe the Jews have a Biblical right to Palestine.
7. His eye for eye perception of revenge for Palestine.
8. You attacked us in Somalia.
9. You supported Russians in Chechnya.
10. You supported India's aggression in Kashmir.
11. You attack us on a daily basis and war against Sharia law.
12. Governments of our countries act as your agents. They steal the Muslim community's wealth and sell it to you for paltry price. They support Israel.
13. Your military forces occupy our countries. They corrupt ouf lands and pillage our treasures.
14. You kill the children of Iraq.
15. You support the Jews in their efforts to establish capitol in Jerusalem. The would destroy Islam's most sacred Al-Aqsa Mosque.
16. Your oppression is aggressive.
17. You kill civilians and charge them with crimes they did not commit.
18. Your claims that American is the land of freedom are hypocrisy.
19. American people support US policies in Palestine.
20. American people's taxes fund planes that bomb Afghanistan.
21. Americans do not understand the language of manners and principles. They understand war, so we address them in these terms.

What are his demands?
1. We call you to know the meaning of Islam.
2. We call you to stop your oppression.
3. He goes on to list the ways America's government is not in compliance with Islam and with Sharia law.
4. Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy.
5. Your freedoms and democracy are for yourselves only and only for whites.
6. You do not respect international law.
7. You create a court for war criminals and then declare yourselves immune.
8. You torture at Guantanamo.
9. Abandon support for Israel.

It's going to go a further way down, to crash status.

Got it on good authority. 


Investors are not fools.  It's only left-wingers who get it to up tick for a day or so, that's all.  The rest of America ain't buying Obama's sudden "positive" attitude.  They know it is a calculated and phony positive.  Fools rush in, you know.  Ain't nothing more foolish than a left-winger Obama worshiper. 


 


Well, Mcsame saw this crash coming and tried to avoid it...
unlike some others. That is one of the reasons I trust him.
It's like watching a horrible car crash in really slow motion.

No dupa - the shrub caused the crash and burn.......
Memory loss can signify medical issues which need to be attended to. Also, delusions can spell multiple significant issues which need to be addressed ASAP. Go with God.
The whole country would crash and burn. Do you know how many jobs in Michigan alone are auto related
Michigan might as well hang a sign on the door saying last one out, turn out the lights. But then if Obama has his way, we won't have any electricity either because the coal companies will be bankrupted too. Domino effect in my opinion.
McCain has fogotten the stock market crash, mortgage/credit crisis,
unemployment rates, job losses, stagnant wages, rising prices in gas, food, health care, etc, etc, etc.
Very sorry for your loss but

bitterness never helps anything and always hurts the bearer.


I'll pray for your family though.  I know the Christmas much be very difficult for you this year.


I am sorry for your loss as well. sm
However, yesterday Nazrallah released a video pretty much reinforcing what was said about terrorists and the left.  It's a fact.  I also honor your son-in-law's service and sacrifice. 
I am sorry, very sorry for your loss....
but, what can I say?
Think of the people who had losses caused by the WWWI and WWII.
As far as job loss right now...(sn)

no, I don't hold Obama responsible for that.  We have been in a recession for quite some time under Bush, and that is something that Obama inherited -- along with a deficit and a budget that didn't include the cost of 2 wars. 


Since you know so many small business owners who are laying off as a "direct result" of regulations Obama is putting into play, please feel free to enlighten us as to the exact nature of those regulations.  Please be specific.


I am sorry for your loss.
I don't post here much, but I will pray for you.
Very sorry for your loss Carla.

Period.


No *buts* or *howevers* or other qualifiers.


Just very very sorry.  Period.


Yes, but a loss for America.
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For every auto job loss
that seven other people in this country are affected. Think about it: Bailing out the big 3 IS bailing out the American taxpayer.
Not really a loss, IMHO.
I believe the term for him and others like him are RINOs (Republicans in name only).

Now at least he won't have to lie about which party he belongs to.
Not really a loss, IMHO.
I believe the term for him and others like him are RINOs (Republicans in name only).

Now at least he won't have to lie about which party he belongs to.
For those of you who think that loss of gun ownership can't happen here...
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=177117&page=1&wh=wh
With the largest jobs loss since 1945, your fix would
simply be to evict and starve the unemployed out of existence? Wow. Compassionate conservativism at its finest.
No loss to our side - Specter was never truly a republican
He didn't switch sides because he is "disenchanted" with the republican party. He never voted republican to begin with. He has always been a liberal. When I heard he switched parties at first I thought he switched to be a republican. He was always left, just not as far left as most. He couldn't go too left otherwise suspicion would have been raised a long time ago. So there is no loss to the republican side since he was never really a republican to begin with. He also switched for one main reason. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative values. It has everything to do with the fact that he does not believe he will be voted for next year as a conservative. He's done this in the past. He used to be democrat, then when he thought he would not be voted for as a democrat he switched to republican. So, he may have switched now, but don't worry, down the road if the democrats don't get voted in he will switch again for the following election.
No big loss. That poster added nothing of substance and sounded like he/she is a
troll from the conservative board.
I read plenty thanks! You can blame loss of life
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So sorry for your loss. You make great points. Lets
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Was not aware of Carla's loss, but your response was completely uncalled for
your response about dead soliders is not only wrong but completely, completely uncalled for.
Turning Obama's loss of his last living elder relative
Palin's handicapped child was being dragged out at all hours of the day and night to help gain that hockey mom family values gal political capital. No harm in pointing that out. Pregnant daughter used by the fringe camp as a convenient way to cry sexism foul and cop out on legitimate political debate on Roe vs Wade and birth control. Son and daughter are still among the living.

Obama's grandmother has been politicizd how? He credits her for instilling him with many of the values that drive him to seek office. She raised him during his moist formative years. She is DYING, for heaven's sake. Most human beings understand that grieving this kind of loss is off limits in terms of gaining political traction. This coming from the party that would shove their morality down our throats. I am so sure.
Labor Department's report of 533,000 job losses in November — the biggest job loss in 34 years
Getting worse every day.
Jet not sold on ebay, sold at a loss privately. nm
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