A time and purpose under heaven.
Posted By: Turn, turn, turn. sm on 2008-10-09
In Reply to: before you vote go to this link - Judy
Politics and religion don't mix. The days of the Christian Right stranglehold on our secular republic are numbered. The resurrection of the old cultural liberalism can't get here soon enough to suit me. According to the latest polls, it seems I am not alone.
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Affirmative Action has served its purpose. There was a time and place
for it and that time is gone. Affirmative action leveled the playing field quite nicely, but now serves to tilt the scales and make white people the minority. It needs to be done away with. It has run its course.
AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR DIGGING?
Do you really want to know the truth, or are you anticipating finding something to nail us with? If that is not your motive I apologize in advance. If it is, why don't you go on over there and straighten it all out?
Don't you think that our soldiers have a handle on this? If anything, why not investigate a population of people who would ALLOW AND ENCOURAGE children or teenagers to do these crimes? What kind of people would allow orphans to go homeless and go hungry? What kind of morals and integrity must they have?
Bottom line, a bullet or projectile kills humans just as dead if shot or left to explode by a 15-year-old as by an adult. They are lucky to be in that school and be helped by Americans or anyone else.
They are clueless on purpose ...
it's almost laughable.
I don't think it serves any purpose to continue this. sm
Suffice it to say, I can't imagine how I would feel were I in his shoes. Israel is facing some pretty terrible prospects in the days ahead. Anyway, I'd say it's time to let it drop. It's funny, as I am posting this, I see over to the side on the right under the ads by Google, Christian Jewish tours. I have always wanted to go. I have friends who have gone with their churches. I may never get the chance.
This is off the deep end and it serves no useful purpose
If that is what you want to believe, so be it. I agree with absolutely nothing you have said and I also feel confident that I understand exactly what he meant and who he is.
This statement was put on here for the sole purpose . . .
of inflaming those nut jobs that would actually believe this garbage!! If it wasn't such a pathetic attempt, it would almost be hilarious!
The purpose of investigating voter fraud...sm
It is not to be able to go back and forth, but to get to the core of the problems and solve them. On this board, you will see articles about voter fraud against liberal voters. That's not saying it doesn't happen on both sides, but which do you think WE are concerned about.
The purpose was made crystal clear in the post.
It was very clear. Don't know how to make it any clearer.
Heaven help us all
Lilly, I too am disheartened about what is going on in America, so much so that if I could move elsewhere, Canada, Australia, England, and know I could find a job, I gotta tell ya, I truly think I would leave. It is hurtful for me to think that way as America is my country but the last five years have blown me away, physically and mentally. I feel my heart has hardened and Im not as compassionate, I dont exercise like I should anymore, I dont eat like I should, I take an extra glass or two of wine, I am beginning to develop a who cares attitude, a fatalist attitude..as the *psychosis* in America grows..Its almost like the WWII movies I have seen..everyone partying excessively, drinking excessively..because they do not want to deal with the horrible reality..I know Im not the only one..I have talked to friends and family and there is an attitude that we cannot do anything to stop what is going down in our government..I think one of the things that hurts the most is our respect and credibility in the world..we are torturing people, we are imprisoning people and not presenting a cause, we invade a country which caused us no harm or ill will and we have destroyed one of the most ancient of countries..then we have the holy rollers shouting about end times..well, yeah, we are gonna cause the end times, fools..Something has to change..someone has to take control of this muderous hateful cancer of an administration..Three more years, OMG..Heaven help us all.
Well, thank heaven
I guess I can hold on until then. I was just so looking forward to the heartwarming pictures and many minutes taken from legitimate news on the MSM to devote time to this. Puppy's first romp on the WH lawn, puppy's first poo, all that.
Because YOU would like to see ME in heaven, the
How about you worry about your own heaven worthiness and I'll worry about mine? My **truth** lies in my own faith. Whether I get to heaven or not is up to God, not YOU!
Do you even have the slightest inkling of how self-righteous, condescending, judgmental and insulting your posts are?
Then I don't want to go to your heaven
If I'm going to have to spend an eternity somewhere, I'd rather spend it with a Ghandi than, say, a pedophile who suddenly found Jesus. Do you really feel that the now God-fearing pedophile is a better, more worthy person because he found Jesus than Ghandi, who lived an exemplary life devoted to helping those left fortunate?
Do Jews go to heaven?
You might want to read the book in the Bible called Hebrews, which is a letter the apostle Paul, who was a Jew's Jew, wrote to the Hebrews. The question should be, Is anyone going to heaven? Heaven is the throne room of God. None of us are going to spend eternity in heaven, but in the New Jerusalem. See the next to last chapter of the Bible, (chapter 21, verse 2). Better yet, read the two last chapters of the Bible. We are not actually going to the New Jerusalem, but we are becoming the New Jerusalem - a corporate entity composed of the triune God and all His believers. However, if you read the 1st verse of the book of the Revelation, we see that it is a book of signs. The New Jerusalem is the ultimate sign.
Most of 'em believe in heaven and he!!, too.
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Oh for heaven's SAKE
Hitler? Marx? You don't know what you are talking about, & bringing your religion into it gives your religion less credibility, doesn't give you more.
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/a/ChristFascism.htm
For heaven's sake
What's next, that pie he was eating looked exactly like Elvis? Good grief.
Going to heaven has absolutely sm
NOTHING to do with our "goodness". It is only by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and our acceptance of him can we go to heaven.
If you do not accept Jesus Christ as God's son, sent to die for our sins, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You cannot be good enough or do enough good works to get into heaven. Only by belief in Jesus Christ, Gods son will any of us make it into heaven.
Being "born" into a religion has nothing to do with anything. Anyone, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, etc can decide to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and follow him. it has nothing to do with "religion" but a "relationship" wtih Jesus Christ.
Oh, for Heaven's sakes.....you can't possibly
There are a LOT of good parents whose son/daughter couldn't control their hormones at age 17 and YOUNGER. When my children were teenagers, I couldn't follow them around all day and night. They heard me talk year after year about the consequences of having sex too early, even if they thought they had it under control. That's all I could do. I would ask where they would be, who with, and give them a time I expected them home or ELSE, but look sister, we all know things can get heated up very fast and it doesn't take but ONE time and a couple of minutes to get pregnant. I am relieved my daughter didn't find herself in that situation and I hope and pray my 20 something son won't either. He knows our feelings and we hope he acts responsibly.
Do you have children or teenagers and if so, do you follow them around all day, every minute of the day, even when you think they are where they say they are? I doubt it.
The young lady will have to deal with her decision and hopefully, her younger sisters will also learn from this.....don't go this route. That certainly doesn't mean I would give up on the mother. I do know good mothers whose daughters got pregnant and it did come as a shock, but I didn't automatically think, wow, what a terrible mother.
If McCain/Palin win...heaven help us all! (nm)
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Oh geez..isnt that called *Heaven* ?
Oh geez, me neither, Libby, me neither..but probably not in my life time.
So Jews go to heaven or must they convert to your religion first?
Just curious.
Please answer my question. Do Jews go to heaven?
I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States of America. We have freedom of religion in this country, and I'm still allowed to believe in God even if I don't share your particular religious beliefs. I thought God was the only one who passes judgment on people. What gives you the right to judge me and others on this board so negatively?
Please answer my question. Do Jews go to heaven?
Simply put, those who have salvation are bound for heaven.
matter if a person is Jewish or not.
If McCain/Palin win, Heaven has answered my
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For heaven's sake, READ THE ARTICLE.
the part about charges dropped WITHOUT PREJUDICE. It means that the charges can be brought against him again AFTER the review has concluded and the new policies are in place. Also, pay especialy close attention to the part where it says that Abd Al-Rahim will REMAIN IN CUSTODY. Does that sound like a free pass?
Heaven sakes...I didn't mean you sounded racist
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Yep, but it was straight time. No time and a half
DHL is GERMAN OWNED. And, company was located on Snotsdale, I mean Scottsdale, AZ which means. Labor laws in Arizona suck. Right to work state. Basically a company can do whatever they want to do with you and if you do not like it, then quit and find another job.
same time?
Well, if these posts are showing up at the same time, how could it be me? I cant post everywhere at the same time, LOL. You are idiots if you think that. For you to even try to connect me with other posts..what for? Dont you have better things to do with your time? It makes me laugh that you actually have taken the time. It would not even occur to me to try to link up your posts and initials with other posts and initials. Gosh, guess I could take it as a compliment that you are spending so much time obsessing about me. I have a better suggestion for your time. Spend it researching this murderous lying administration.
Goes on all the time.
Does not surprise me at all, all politicians are crooks, that is why they had the wearwithall to get into it, smart, but all crooks. Bill Clinton was a sex addict, no doubt, but he did more to help me than any other president. I am a swing vote, I vote for the man not the party. I don't like the current President, I can see he has no soul in his eyes, but yet, they claim they won "two elections", he only won one, and I still doubt that considering that his brother was the gov of one of the highest electoral votes. But I do believe he won the last election, and his supreme court nomination has to be respected. I am not happy with Dudley Do Right, but Dubya did win one election, (we think), and he as president has the right to appoint whomever he wants.
It's about time this was done
While I don't agree that this is all the president's fault, and while I think some of what these governors are doing is political positioning it's about time somebody does something about this. A lot of the immigration could be handled at the state level other than the border patrol which is solely in the federal government's hand. This is where we as citizens must demand our leaders both dem. and rep. to stand up and do their jobs, and this does include the president. While I am a great fan of Bush this is one of the areas I think he's lacking in along with the majority of our leaders at the federal, state, and local levels. I hope these states go one step further and call in the National Guard. This is going to be the issue that I think will determine elections in 2006 and 2008 along with the issue of soaring gas prices and oil demand.
One time only
Where did she ever state she hated Bush? Could you please post that article or lead me to it. She wants to ask some tough questions which, obviously, he does not have the answers to. I would like to know what our **mission** is too. It changes so often. Talk about flip flops. I think we have had about four different reasons for pre-emptively invading Iraq and, of course, they still try to link Iraq to 9/11. Didnt know it was written in stone that you can only meet with your servant, the president, one time. However, it is working out okay, as most of America backs Cindy and quite a few Europeans too. I think it is great that finally most of America is finding its voice once again and screaming to the warmonger in the WH, bring our troops home. To stay the course is ridiculous but then, again, having invaded Iraq was monsterous and wrong, based on nothing but lies..That to me is RIDICULOUS BIG TIME. I also find it quite sad that Bush is taking a five week vacation, bicycling around his property, clearing brush, yet he cant spare 10 minutes or more to speak with Cindy and answer the questions she has, which many of us have..shows where his priorities are. Last time I took a vacation was in 2000 and it was only a weekend. This person in the WH is so out of touch with reality and the hopes, needs and worries of most Americans. He is pathetic.
Once upon a time. sm
You and the rest of the nameless posters here hounded two posters from the conservative board. And what you said and did to them was far far worse than this. And then when they were gone, you rejoiced and sang songs, ding dong the witch is dead. Remember? ON THE CONSERVATIVE BOARD YOU SANG. Hypocrits.
LOL! Nor did I (either time).
 Too bad they're just not bright enough to see how pathetic and desperate they've become. I've gotta admit, though, their idiocy does provide a LOT of laughs for me. (I don't want to emphasize that because if they think they're doing ANYTHING to make my life more pleasant, they'll stop!)
Its about time!
The 2005 International Commission of Inquiry
on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by
the Bush Administration of the United States
The Bush Crimes Commission
Friday 14 October 2005
When the possibility of far-reaching war crimes and crimes against humanity exists, people of conscience have a solemn responsibility to inquire into the nature and scope of these acts and to determine if they do in fact rise to the level of war crimes and crimes against humanity. That is the mission of the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity. The first session will be held October 21-22 in New York City. This tribunal will, with care and rigor, present evidence and assess whether George W. Bush and his administration have committed crimes against humanity. Well-established international law will be referenced where applicable, but the tribunal will not be limited by the scope of existing international law.
The tribunal will deliberate on four categories of indictable crimes: 1) Wars of Aggression, with particular reference to the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. 2) Torture and Indefinite Detention, with particular reference to the abandonment of international standards concerning the treatment of prisoners of war and the use of torture. 3) Destruction of the Global Environment, with particular reference to systematic policies contributing to the catastrophic effects of global warming. 4) Attacks on Global Public Health and Reproductive Rights, with particular reference to the genocidal effects of forcing international agencies to promote abstinence only in the midst of a global AIDS epidemic.
The Commission's jury of conscience will be composed of internationally respected jurists and legal scholars, prominent voices of conscience, and experts and monitors in relevant fields. The tribunal's legitimacy is derived from its integrity, its rigor in the presentation of evidence, and the stature of its participants. Representatives of the Bush administration will be invited to present a defense.
Prior to the meeting of the Commission, teams with sufficient expertise will prepare preliminary indictments in each of the four areas, setting forth the scope of the Bush administration's actions and how they contravene legal and moral norms for international behavior. At the meeting of the Commission, there will be four prosecution teams that organize the presentation of the evidence. This evidence will be documents as well as eyewitness testimony by victims and observers of the crimes alleged. The formal proceedings will be held in a public venue and all attempts will be made to publicize and broadcast its deliberations internationally. The Commission's jury of conscience will come to verdicts and its findings will be published.
The holding of this tribunal will frame and fuel a discussion that is urgently needed in the United States: Is the administration of George W. Bush guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity? The Commission will conduct its work with a deep sense of responsibility to the people of the world.
The Commission is sponsored by the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, joined by the following individuals and organizations:
- James Abourezk, former United States Senator
- As'ad AbuKhalil, professor of politics & public administration, California State University-Stanislaus
- Dirk Adriaensens, Brussells Tribunal executive committee and coordinator SOS Iraq
- Dr. Nadje al-Ali, social anthropologist at the University of Exeter, founding member of Act Together: Women's Action on Iraq and member Women in Black UK
- Anthony Alessandrini, organizer with the World Tribunal on Iraq and New York University Students for Justice in Palestine
- Edward Asner
- Russell Banks, novelist
- The Rev. Luis Barrios, Ph.D., associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice & Anglican Priest
- Amy Bartholomew, professor of law at Carleton University
- Greg Bates, Common Courage Press
- Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies
- Michael S. Berg, grieving father of Nick Berg killed in Iraq May 7, 2004, and one man for Peace
- Ayse Berktay, from the organizing team of the World Tribunal on Iraq
- William Blum, author of Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II and Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
- Francis Boyle, author of Destroying World Order and professor at the University of Illinois College of Law
- Jean Bricmont, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
- Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and executive vice president of National Lawyers Guild
- Lieven De Cauter, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
- Patrick Deboosere, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
- Michael Eric Dyson
- Peter Erlinder, William Mitchell College of Law and lead defense counsel, United Nations Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, Arusha, Tanzania
- Larry Everest, author of Oil, Power & Empire: Iraq and the U.S. Global Agenda and Behind the Poison Cloud: Union Carbide's Bhopal Massacre
- Richard Falk, professor emeritus of International Law, Princeton, and Visiting Professor in Global and International Studies, UC-Santa Barbara
- Thomas M. Fasy, MD, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York City
- Lawrence Ferlinghetti, member, American Academy of Arts & Letters and founder & editor in chief, City Lights Books, San Francisco
- Ted Glick, former coordinator, Independent Progressive Politics Network
- Dr. Elaine C. Hagopian, former president of Association of Arab-American University Graduates (AAUG) and primary founder of the Trans-Arab Research Institute (TARI)
- Sam Hamill, director, Poets Against War
- International Movement for a Just World (JUST), Malaysia
- Abdeen Jabara, past president, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
- Dahr Jamail, U.S. independent journalist who has reported extensively from Iraq since the invasion
- C. Clark Kissinger, contributing writer for Revolution and initiator of the Not In Our Name statement of conscience
- The Reverend Doctor Earl Kooperkamp, Rector, St. Mary's Episcopal Church, West Harlem, New York City
- Joel Kovel, editor-in-chief, Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Quarterly Journal of Socialist Ecology, and author of The Enemy of Nature
- Jesse Lemisch, professor of history emeritus, John Jay College of Criminal Justice
- Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine and author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Back America from the Religious Right
- New Jersey Civil Rights Defense Committee
- New Jersey Workers Democracy Network
- National Lawyers Guild
- National Lawyers Guild, San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
- Rev. Davidson Loehr, Ph.D., First Unitarian Universalist Church of Austin, Texas
- Robert Meeropol, Executive Director, Rosenberg Fund for Children
- Barbara Olshansky, deputy legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author of Secret Trials and Executions
- James Petras, professor emeritus of sociology at Binghamton University, New York
- Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter
- Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author with Ellen Ray of Guantanamo: What the World Should Know
- Stephen F. Rohde, civil liberties lawyer and co-founder of Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
- Marc Sapir MD, MPH, co-convener of the UC Berkeley Teach In on Torture and executive director of Retro Poll
- Sister Annette M. Sinagra, OP
- State of Nature on-line magazine
- Inge Van de Merlen, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
- Gore Vidal
- Anne Weills, civil rights attorney in Oakland, National Lawyers Guild
- Leonard Weinglass, criminal defense attorney
- Naomi Weisstein, professor emeritus of Neuroscience, State University of NY at Buffalo
- Howard Zinn, historian
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The 2005 International Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration of the United States: Sessions take place Friday, October 21, 4-10pm, and Saturday, October 22, Noon-6pm, at the Grand Ballroom of the Manhattan Center, 311 W. 34th Street, New York City, NY.
Only time will tell. nm
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I never take time off.
My pursuit of literacy is as endless as my pursuit of honesty and integrity. 
One mo time..... 1 example
This board will return to a dead state too
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Posted By: huh? on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: Oh, she revealed it on the Conservative Board - ??
The stupid rules have made these boards a place where only crickets chirp. Its sad that people are so childish and cannot discuss things like mature adults. This is why these boards will remain a snoozeville, because some people are not capable of mature conversation and get insulted by anyone who does not believe exactly like they do, but if you like it dead here...by all means enjoy the silence.
Well this time it is ..
someone else. Thanks for the holiday greeting. Merry Christmas to you too, and a happy, healthy, joyful new year.
One last time....
I watched a TV broadcast; it evoked thoughts in my mind. The thoughts irritated me. I FELT uneasy and I THOUGHT I could print the same on this board and why. This is, after all, still America despite the speech police and this is, after all still the liberal board.
I'm sorry you feel the need to throw the little personal zingers in.
In this day and time you really can't have it all...sm
There is always going to be something or someone out of sorts, so I say just do you (Mrs. Obama). No one else can do it for her. If I were in her shoes, I would do the same thing.
yes, but she has done it time and time again and yet. sm
She is castigating Obama for MAYBE changing his mind. So what's with that?
I will try this one more time...
There IS money for childrens' health care, if we prioritize. Anyone with half a brain knows there is waste galore in the social programs we have now. They are not administered properly, rules are not followed, people get on who should not thereby taking the funds for people who really need them. All I suggested is that they go ahead and do the cigarette tax, and then prioritize how to spend the rest of the social funding and make sure childrens' health care goes first. As to agreeing or disagreeing to the war...won't go there as childrens' health insurance seems to be the issue. If they would clean up the SCHIP program now and get all the illegals off it, there would be that much more funding for insuring American children. Then if the illegals want to get legal, seek citizenship and pay taxes into the system like the rest of us, then yes, I think their children should be covered too. I really don't see why Democrats seem to have a problem with prioritizing spending. We do it on a personal basis every day; why can't the government do it with OUR tax money? We all know we can't do everything we would like to do. Therefore we should do the most important things first. That is just common sense. Just like parents are not made of money where their own families are concerned, the government (that being your tax dollars and mine) is not made of money either...and prioritization as far as social programs needs to be done. I really don't see why everyone seems to have a problem with that.
Sorry...it would not have been the first time...
a poster used the same moniker and posted as liberal and conservative...guess they like to start a fight and then watch it develop...kinda like people who flock to wrecks. lol. Could not be sure that was not the case and still cannot be sure...but I will take your word for it. lol.
Well, time will tell...
I couldn't disagree more. I think Obama is going to be torn apart if he is the nominee, more so than Clinton would. Really, I just do not like the guy. I think he is totally arrogant, along with his wife  , and I do not believe for a minute that he is honest. Of course, Clinton isn't either. They're both lousy.
Yes, Ron Paul is out of the race...that's what I said, loooool. In my opinion, he was the only person who ran that would be worthy of the presidency.
How do you know how much time she
THere is a first time for everything. :)
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did that the first time.
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next time they have a
cuddle session for the cameras he can whisper it into Bush's soft, pink shelllike ear.
Yes, because you have had some time...
to make up your mind. They are registering people who have never really thought about it until that minute. And then putting them on a bus to go vote hearing Obama speech all the way there. Now you tell ME if that is fair. If you heard Republicans were doing that you would be yelling voter fraud at the top of your lungs. Who knows if these people are EVEN eligible to vote? The people registering them aren't asking. They are just signing them up.
Don't you think that greatly increases the chance of voter fraud?
still time
Before the first vote the email boxes and switchboards were flooded. I wonder if the same is true for this 2nd vote. Urge everyone you know to continue to contact the officials for their districts. I failed to contact my senator before the 2nd vote, but he did vote no on it. You can bet I have not neglect to contact our representative! I am asking, begging, everyone to please do the same and to ask everyone you know to do the same while there is still a little time.
Unfortunately, I did the first time. sm
Woke up before his second term. He did campaign on small government.
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