So Jews go to heaven or must they convert to your religion first?

Just curious.

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              • So Jews go to heaven or must they convert to your religion first? - Liberal
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                              • Sounds like a petty, cruel god's rules - Just a thought
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Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.

I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States of America.  We have freedom of religion in this country, and I'm still allowed to believe in God even if I don't share your particular religious beliefs.  I thought God was the only one who passes judgment on people.  What gives you the right to judge me and others on this board so negatively?

Please answer my question.  Do Jews go to heaven? 

You don't want EQUALITY in religion.  You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others.  You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American.  You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.

You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court.  And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.

Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.

There already ARE religous schools and universities.  Isn't THAT enough for you?

And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE?  I believe they're called CHURCHES.  Isn't THAT enough for you, either?

Nope.  You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*

The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!

How about you worry about your own heaven worthiness and I'll worry about mine?  My **truth** lies in my own faith.  Whether I get to heaven or not is up to God, not YOU!

Do you even have the slightest inkling of how self-righteous, condescending, judgmental and insulting your posts are?

How do you think Jews feel when Obama shuns The Holocaust.  Did their white skin give them a pass in any way before they were thrown en mass into those ovens?  It wasn't right then, either.  None of it is.

Just something to think about. 

is absolutely correct.  What was posted previously:  Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is." 

What was said:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfDeRY7IgcQ

Please note what was left out (replaced with "...").  He's not just slamming Jews in general.  He's talking about the influence of the Jewish vote in this country (which is a problem).

"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said. 

This is also true.  The man is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and getting harrassed for it.

You described with great candor and honesty the most extreme side of your religion, and I appreciate the glimpse into a life that I otherwise didn't know existed.

I think many of us have experience with extremes.  They're usually dirty little secrets that most people won't admit.  Maybe it's time that some of them come out into the open.  You've been open enough to describe some aspects of your personal life (which took a lot of courage in THIS arena).  You've also triggered some not to good memories in my life.

I remember growing up in a small town as a child with my parents, my friends' parents, all my relatives (from different little towns in different states), ALL Christians and ALL HATING Jews.  They blamed the liberal media on the Jews who controlled it.  (I've heard this allegation again recently, in the last couple years, as well, so nobody can convince me that Christians suddenly love Jews.)  If anything could make the veins in their neck pop out, it was th emention of the money the U.S. gave to Israel.  The John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater were icons in my home.  My father even voted once for George Wallace for president.

If a prominent Jew in my little town was a successful attorney, doctor or banker, they were referred to as such with (fill in the blank) derogatory terms preceding the Jew occupation. Jew and blacks.  They received equal condemnation.

My father was a terrible bigot and racist.  My cousin had a black POODLE that my dad wouldn't even permit in the house.  He paid school tuition for another school during my first two years in school so I wouldn't have to go to the school less than a mile away from me because the students were 99% black.  Then he couldn't afford it any more, and I was sent to the closer school.

Will never forget one Saturday when I was in third grade, going downtown with my parents for the day and seeing one of my classmates with her family, who we passed on the street.  We both smiled at each other and said hello.  My father SCREAMED at me in front of my classmate and her family, telling me I wasn't allowed to speak to _____.  I remember feeling humiliated beyond belief, and that hurt even more than the beating I got with his belt when we got home.  The embarrassment lasted a lot longer than the welts on my legs from that beating.  Whatever lesson he was trying to teach me backfired because all I could think of was how nice my schoolmate was and how STUPID and HATEFUL he acted.

When I was a teenager, I worked for the local radio station and became very friendly with the news director (a JEW).  He used to get me involved in all different aspects of the station that had nothing to do with my job.  (He even talked me into doing a commercial.)  If he had been a Jewish classmate of mine who I had been hanging out with, I would have been punished yet again.  Instead, my mom thought it was so cool because this guy was basically a celebrity who was on the radio daily.  I learned the true meaning of hypocrite very early on in my life.

In my mid 20s, I went to work for a Jewish attorney in my small town.  Never, ever, EVER was I treated so well at a job with bonuses and raises, etc.  Gorgeous bachelor to boot!  LOL.  We became very good friends and sometimes would have a drink after work together and just talk.  I remember once he told me that I was the only girlfriend he ever had.  When I asked him what he meant, he said Well, you're a girl, and you're my friend.  LOL. 

My daughter was in grade school at the time (ironically at the very same school I mentioned above), and every afternoon, I would leave the office to pick her up from school and bring her back to the office so she could be safe and with me until my workday ended.  This wasn't my idea.  It was HIS.  I remember once when my birthday was on a weekend, he called me with a work emergency and asked me if I could go to the big city (about an hour away where he lived and had another office) to help with some work. He told me to bring my daughter who could stay with his mom and watch wrestling on their big screen TV while I worked.  (My daughter and his mom both believed it was real, and they were good buddies.)  The whole thing was a rouse just to get us there.  He surprised us with a weekend stay at the plushest hotel there, room service, movies, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that we wanted, and he paid for it.

While I worked for him, my beloved aunt died.  She truly was a Christian, was the organist at church, and most importantly, lived her life in a loving way (unfortunately, not a hereditary trait in my family). She had named me as co-owner on a certificate of deposit.  My Christian aunts, her sisters and the executors of her estate, refused to give it to me.  I'll never forget going to my aunt's house at their request, only to have them all sitting like some kind of posse on the front porch, SCREAMING at me for everyone to hear, telling me I'd never get it, and telling me to go run to my ***damn Jew lawyer.  I finally did have to hire a lawyer, but it wasn't him.  I was too ashamed of my family to involve him in this.  They were finally forced to turn it over to me about a year later, but they never gave me my mother's wedding gown, which I had requested and which had always been stored at my aunt's house.  I had wanted to give it to my daughter for her wedding, but I never saw it again.  What wonderful Christians.

I refuse to believe that my small town was the only one in America with such wonderful Christian values, and I lived in the north.  It's even worse in some areas of the south.  From reading these boards, it's obvious that many of today's Christians are driven by extreme gutteral hatred, so I'm VERY surprised to suddenly see that they're so sympathetic to Jews.  I don't believe for one second that they have an iota of respect for Jews -- either the ethnic group or the religion.  What I do believe is that they're only thinking of the LOCATION of Israel and how it affects THEIR religion.  Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the hatred and intolerance and lies of some of these posters wasn't so obvious and if they didn't follow so closely the policies of Bush that do nothing but take us back into the 1950s (as Roberts would like to do, particularly with women).  So many of these people remind me of the mentality I experienced in my childhood, and I believe it's alive and well today.  The only difference they're wolves in sheeps' clothing today because they can no longer publicly say the things that I heard growing up and can only say these things in private when they're with their kind.  In my adult life still, some misread me and think I'm one of them.  It still exists.  It's alive and well in America.

This sudden love of Israel and Jews is about the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen come from loving, tolerant Christians.

The can go ahead and flame away.  Wrap themselves in the Bible and the American flag and destroy, deny and lie.  That's how some American Christians communicate today, from Bush all the way down, down, DOWN to some posters on these boards.  I must have somehow missed the day when God decided to condone blatant lying.  I believe that's morally wrong.  But what do I know about values?  I'm a liberal.

NO ONE WHO TALKS ABOUT PERFECTING JEWS IS ENTERTAINING..DO YOU UNDERSTAND??

Yes, well, I admire their faith.  And this will be my last discussion with you on this particular subject. 

The disclosure that last month Governor Palin's church hosted the executive director of Jews for Jesus, who told congregants that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus, is going to be the next club that Mrs. Palin's leftist critics pick up against her. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency quotes Mrs. Palin's pastor at Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, as saying that he doesn't believe Jews for Jesus are deceptive. "Look at Paul and Peter and the others — they were Jews and believed in Jesus as the messiah," he told JTA. "There's gentile believers and there's Jewish believers that acknowledge Jesus as messiah. There's Swedish believers."

They go on to half-assedly defend Palin by mentioning Jeremiah Wright and how there's no "religious test" for the presidency, but the Jews For Jesus are far outside the mainstream even for practicing evangelicals. Jewish Defense League Anti-Defamation League [I do know the difference! Whoops!] head Abe Foxman is pretending it's not a big deal by invoking the Spanish Inquisition (done by Catholics, not Protestants!) but his own organization has a longer, richer history of warning people about the deceptive and offensive tactics of the Jews for Jesus.

Sarah Palin's Jews for Jesus setting up shop in Wasilla, Alaska almost reminds us of Michael Chabon's charming The Yiddish Policeman's Union, his detective novel set in an alternate universe in which Americans settled Jewish WWII refugees in Alaska and Israel died before it was born. The incongruous idea of a Jewish settlement in far-off Sitka gives the book much of its uneasy atmosphere, especially in the mentions of the current fictional President of the US, an evangelical Christian promising to finally kick those Jews out of the pristine frontier, "pledging to restore Alaska for Alaskans, wild and clean."

The Democrats more or less handed Florida over to the Republicans when they selected (sorry, we'll say it) a black man without a rich history of pro-Israel hawkishness (even though he saw the light and came around pretty dam quick). This, though, might actually put it back in play.

Book: Bush told reporter Jews are 'all going to hell'

09/02/2006 @ 7:53 pm

An upcoming book about presidential advisor Karl Rove reports allegations of anti-semitism by President George W. Bush, RAW STORY has learned.

In The Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power, Austin-based journalist James Moore and Wayne Slater, senior political reporter for the Dallas Morning News, will allege that Bush once made anti-semitic comments to a reporter.

You know what I'm gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don't you Herman? a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.

When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: I'm telling 'em they're all going to hell.

This quip never received wider media attention. RAW STORY obtained a copy of The Architect late this week.

Bush's thoughts on the fate of non-Christian souls became a minor source of controversy after he told the Houston Post in 1993 that only those who accept Jesus Christ go to Heaven. However, the future president was also earlier briefly engaged to a half-Jewish woman.

The authors of The Architect assert that religion and ethnicity have been manipulated by Bush and Rove to divide and conquer the nation.

More information about the book, to be released Tuesday, can be found here.

That makes sense. 

Religion - ?riduculous?

I will tell you what is more riduculous - those who truly believe that there IS NO GOD (wonder how in the he## you got here in the first place)...scary..

it doesn't apply to the Constitution.

Are you suggesting that your religion should be the one that rules and that everyone else's spiritual/religious beliefs shouldn't count?

For example, I know some people who don't look at abortion as severely as you do because they believe that life doesn't end, that we merely pass on from one life to another, and that there really isn't any such thing as spiritual death, and that your body is just the "box" you come in but spirit lives on forever and continues to live in different "entities."

I know some people who don't believe in religion at all.

I know some religious people who believe that God gave us free will and technology to help us survive as best we can.

Not everyone is FORCED to believe the exact same religious beliefs that you do.  But the one document we all have in common and to which are are all bound is the Constitution.

I respect you enough as a person to respect and defend your personal religious beliefs. 

Please return the favor.

I would bet that there are millions of Muslims throughout the world who are exceptionally good, hardworking people.  It seems to me that each religion has people who will try to twist it around as an excuse to do just about anything.  Look at those Baptists down south who protest gays at dead soldiers funerals because they say God is killing all these soldiers because American is getting too accepting of gay people.  These Baptists are obviously horrible people, but does that mean all Baptists distort their religion to spew hate and prey on grieving families?  Of course not.

I could care less what religion Obama is or was at one time.  I think he is an excellent candidate.  He is one of the few people who could turn this country (and maybe even this world) around.  We need someone strong enough and smart enough to lead this country and help to unite us again, and I think he's the man for the job.  I also agree with what someone else said in regard to his knowledge of the Muslim religion/culture being a good thing, especially considering our current dire situation.